[DM-MUG] Leopard runs hotter?

Sat Nov 3 16:27:02 CDT 2007

How do I trash the caches?

On 11/3/07 2:15 PM, "Don Patridge" <donald.patridge at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2007110110052021
> 
> There's a article on Macfixit.com about all of this.
> 
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, jim lagnese wrote:
> 
>> Trash your caches as well. Once upon a time I was having temps around 160,
>> even with the fans full blast, even through reboots. I deleted all the
>> caches and it returned to normal. Go figure. Still, set to 4000 rpm, my
>> temps have been 111-120 with leopard, and Tiger usually would be 120-130.
>> The computer is a MBP 17/2.33
>> 
>> 
>> //On 11/3/07 12:03 PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> After getting our feedback, I re-plugged in the external hard drive and left
>>> it on all night so I could test it again. When I opened it up in this
>>> morning about 8:30, the computer was cool to touch but the fan started
>>> running immediately, a sound which is to me like fingernails on chalkboards,
>>> and which I had solved on Tiger with the aid of an air desk and smc fan
>>> control. The heat would still get bad and the fan would come on when the
>>> computer heated up after a long day of working and/or gaming or loading up a
>>> big program or had a lot of programs open at the same time. Other than those
>>> times the heat was acceptable and the fan was blessedly silent.
>>> 
>>> This morning, I let it run for a while to see if it was just a
>>> waking/warming up thing but the fan didn't shut off so about a half-hour
>>> later I unplugged the external hard drive to shut off time machine. Even so,
>>> the fan has continued to run continuously for the last nearly three hours,
>>> which says that the fan/heat is not from Time Machine, so I was wrong on
>>> that.  I have no open programs except Microsoft Word and Entourage  The temp
>>> is at 145 degrees and the temp record since I got Leopard is overall higher
>>> so the only thing I can conclude is that Leopard runs hotter.
>>> 
>>> I then went to Apple on-line support for Leopard and found others were
>>> complaining of the same issue--heat and noise. If any of you have any fixes
>>> for this, I (and presumably those at the apple support place (key words
>>> leopard runs hot) would really appreciate it. Otherwise, I plan to uninstall
>>> it and go back to Tiger.
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/07 2:57 PM, "Roses Derise" <homeonthefarm at iowatelecom.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I did let it run, as you said it took several hours...my complaint was from
>>>> what happened afterwards.  Re the radar, that's what got my attention, that
>>>> I was suddenly noticing after a relatively long period of not noticing, and
>>>> in fact not even thinking about it, like finding myself having to stop
>>>> earlier in the day because of the heat (those of you who with desk models
>>>> don't have to have your hands directly on a hot metal surface so might not
>>>> notice any extra heat)  even after disconnecting the back up disk.
>>>> 
>>>> (And I do have smc fan control but had to set it to a different setting to
>>>> keep it from coming on so often.)
>>>> 
>>>> Let's hope you are right, that it is somehow in my "radar" or something
>>>> this 
>>>> computer illiterate is doing wrong that can be fixed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/2/07 11:30 AM, "Bryan Baker" <ka_klick at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well, if you only let it run for ~10 min it probably didn't have time
>>>>> to finish it's first full backup. The problem is, that it needs a
>>>>> place to start, so it needs a FULL backup of the system - that's
>>>>> everything. I'd be surprised if it took less than 10. Once this is
>>>>> done once, most of what it does is make copies of anything that
>>>>> changed since the last one, so those should be almost unnoticeable.
>>>>> That's the theory. This is being typed by someone who has a shrink-
>>>>> wrapped copy of Leopard on his desk, not someone who's already
>>>>> running it, but I remember having to walk away from in-progress Tiger
>>>>> first boots because the dang indexing was taking hours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's also possible that your "radar" is up, and that while it is
>>>>> currently "hotter" over time the power consumption will decrease as
>>>>> the system finishes all the stuff it's doing behind the scenes in the
>>>>> background. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Roses Derise wrote:
>>>>>> Also 109.99 at macmall with rebate for shipping.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So far, I feel regret that I bought Leopard. A lot of little things
>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>> seem to work well--such as some (but not all) the little yellow memory
>>>>>> strips (such as the ones that pop up, say, account numbers), and my
>>>>>> printer 
>>>>>> drive not loading properly on start-up. As some of you have said, I
>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>> like the folders and even though I am not a fan of dark colors, I
>>>>>> do seem to 
>>>>>> have adapted to the black dock and I do feel some admiration for
>>>>>> the sleek 
>>>>>> designing. I like the stationary in Mail and I love the Spaces
>>>>>> feature and 
>>>>>> other things that someone here wrote was just cosmetic stuff, which
>>>>>> I agree. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My biggest complaint, and for me its a big deal, is that I suspect
>>>>>> that on 
>>>>>> my Macbook Pro where my hands on directly on the machine, Leopard runs
>>>>>> hotter than Tiger.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I bought Leopard primarily because of Time Machine. As a writer,
>>>>>> even ten 
>>>>>> minutes of lost work can be major, like an artist losing carefully
>>>>>> laid down 
>>>>>> brush strokes. But within a few minutes of using it, I unplugged it,
>>>>>> realizing that that I'd have been smarter to take the time to use a
>>>>>> $20 
>>>>>> flash drive every so often because, with Time Machine running, the
>>>>>> computer 
>>>>>> heats up a lot more, driving me nuts when I am trying to focus on
>>>>>> creative 
>>>>>> work with that irritating noise of the fan running and from the
>>>>>> heat on my 
>>>>>> palms. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sure Apple will come along with fixes for the bugs and that
>>>>>> over time 
>>>>>> I'll adapt to the changes, but as someone who is not computer savvy
>>>>>> and can 
>>>>>> only review from a superficial level, at this point, I can't say
>>>>>> getting 
>>>>>> Leopard was worth the price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roses 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/2/07 10:19 AM, "Russ & Marilyn Carlson" <marruss at crosspaths.net>
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't know if anyone is interested given the recent reports but
>>>>>>> Leopard is on sale at CompUSA for the next two days Friday and
>>>>>>> Saturday.  It is selling for $109.99 a $20.00 reduction.  Des Moines
>>>>>>> Register Nov. 2  page 3A.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Russ 
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