[Cialug] [Slightly OT] High-speed DSL availability in DSM metro

bofh at visi.com bofh at visi.com
Wed Jan 19 16:35:37 CST 2011


That'd be it.  Actually stopped by one day and talked to 
the field techs when they had it open.


On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:16:13 -0600
  Dave Weis <djweis at internetsolver.com> wrote:
> 
> If the cabinet looks like this:
> http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/OutsidePlant/ensys_BuriedDistribution/MultiPurposeCabinets/PublishingImages/CoolPed+%20Splice%20Cabinets/CoolPed+-Splice-Cabinets_1_small.png
> 
> They need to either add another cabinet adjacent or if 
>there's room inside they can put another DSLAM in the 
>same cabinet. 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org 
>> [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of 
>>bofh at visi.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:07 PM
>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] [Slightly OT] High-speed DSL 
>> availability in DSM metro
>> 
>> Yep, I know it's expensive.  I was involved in some FTTH 
>> design and builds a few years back.  However, in my 
>>area, 
>> most of the pedestal deployments were done 5-6 years 
>>ago. 
>> What the component upgrade costs for those pedestals 
>>would be 
>> now, I'm not certain.
>> 
>> However, Qwest may not have much of a choice.  If 
>>Mediacom 
>> would get their act together, and LTE (oooh...4G!) or 
>>WiMAX 
>> deployments move into the area (bugs and bandwidth caps 
>> notwithstanding), Qwest could find themselves in a world 
>>of 
>> hurt on the residential side.
>> 
>> Like I mentioned earlier, when the places that the 
>>boondocks 
>> consider boondocks are rolling out high-speed DSL (7+ 
>>Mb/s), 
>> there's a problem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:26:59 -0600
>>   Dave Weis <djweis at internetsolver.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > I think there might be some confusion as to what it 
>> actually costs to 
>> >do the FTTN upgrades/installs. We (Internet Solver) 
>>have 
>> done similar 
>> >projects but not on the same scale as Qwest obviously. 
>>From what we 
>> >have seen, just the equipment in the box on the side of 
>>the road is 
>> >$10k+, then add in the labor to set the pedestal, bring 
>>the fiber to 
>> >the area, etc, it's easily $30k on up.
>> >Cities are divided up into distribution areas which 
>>usually have 
>> >100-200 homes in them. You need to install a box like 
>>this in each 
>> >distribution area. There is also the problem of right 
>>of 
>> way, getting 
>> >permission to install the box, getting permits, getting 
>>power, etc.
>> >After you get all of this outside work done, you need 
>>to 
>> aggregate all 
>> >of the fiber and route the traffic. I've seen some of 
>>the equipment 
>> >that has been installed to support this and it's 
>>absolutely 
>> massive and 
>> >brutally expensive.
>> > 
>> > dave
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --
>> > Dave Weis
>> > 515-224-9229
>> > djweis at internetsolver.com
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>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > ________________________________
>> >From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org
>> >[mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of PAUL 
>>COWLEY
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:37 PM
>> > To: cialug at cialug.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] [Slightly OT] High-speed DSL 
>> availability in DSM 
>> >metro
>> > 
>> > Qwest FINALLY executed on their plans to bring FTTN in 
>>my 
>> neighborhood 
>> >in Ames over the past couple of months...
>> >as well as a change from ADSL to VDSL.  However, this 
>>was after at 
>> >least two years of telling other potential customers 
>>(my next-door 
>> >neighbors!) that DSL wasn't available in the area at 
>>any 
>> cost.  I can 
>> >only assume this was due to lack of available ports in 
>>the DSLAM.
>> > 
>> > That said, I've submitted an order to upgrade from 
>>1.5Mbps 
>> to 12Mbps 
>> >(the top speed they're offering), due to install next 
>> Monday.  I'm not 
>> >complaining about 12Mbps, but it's a far cry from the 
>>40Mbps they're 
>> >advertising... even with brand-new fiber and VDSL 
>>equipment 
>> - all in a 
>> >new neighborhood with (presumably) good enough quality 
>>copper to the 
>> >home to support the higher speeds.
>> > 
>> > What I don't quite understand is why Qwest seems so 
>> unwilling to make 
>> >ANY investment into their infrastructure, even in core 
>>areas 
>> where the 
>> >payoff should be relatively fast.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Paul
>> > KB7VML
>> > 
>> >> From: bofh at visi.com
>> >> To: cialug at cialug.org
>> >> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:19:31 -0600
>> >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] [Slightly OT] High-speed DSL 
>>availability in 
>> >>DSM metro
>> >>
>> >> I just called Qwest, and received the runaround 
>>again:
>> >> "With the New Year, they're looking at upgrades, but 
>>we don't know 
>> >> where or when".  As I told them, I dislike Mediacom 
>>(left 
>> them due to 
>> >> the outages), but I'm about ready to leave Qwest--and 
>>will 
>> drop the 
>> >> voice line.
>> >>
>> >> Seems like everyplace I go outside the Des Moines 
>>metro  
>> area has no 
>> >>problem with getting high-speed (7 Mb/s+) 
>> connections--metros and 
>> >>rural areas alike. Des Moines has  become an even 
>>worse technology 
>> >>backwater than it was.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:53:09 -0600
>> >> jrnosee <jrnosee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I concur. I live on the border of Waukee and
>> >>Clive/Urbandale. Every time I check it says I'm only 
>>able 
>> to get a 1.5 
>> >>> connection.  (Although I have gotten some reports 
>>that it 
>> may be due 
>> >>to no open 7mbps+ ports free on our
>> >> > DSLAM?!).
>> >> >
>> >> > I REALLY want to drop Mediacom. We loose our
>> >>connection or most of our bandwidth on cable at the 
>>drop of a
>> >> > hat. I got home Monday night to .9mbps downstream. 
>> >>0.9!!!!! on a 12mbps connection! Does anyone know any
>> >> > outdoor cable monkeys for mediacom? They were 
>>supposed
>> >>to come put a new line in for us MONTHS ago and
>> >> > never did. They just keep sending the indoor guys 
>>who
>> >>scratch their (butts) heads and say "well, it's fine
>> >> > right now."
>> >> >
>> >> > Seriously... Any takers? $20 on that being the 
>>outcome
>> >>of yet ANOTHER mediacom appointment I've got
>> >> > tomorrow morning.
>> >> >
>> >> > At least they dropped my price for all the hassle 
>>I've
>> >>had.
>> >>
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