[Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday
carl-olsen at mchsi.com
carl-olsen at mchsi.com
Mon Jul 17 16:00:21 CDT 2006
Where is the meeting on Wednesday? Visionary?
-------------- Original message from "Josh More" <morej at alliancetechnologies.net>: --------------
> You really shouldn't be using SLED10 to host web sites. That's more of
> a
> job of SLES10. I do not think that you will have any issues with
> support
> on SLES10 for what you are looking at. That is, after all, it's
> purpose.
>
> Novell has not yet updated their package list, but I have sent Carl a
> package list that I gleaned from my .iso. If anyone else wants it,
> let
> me know. (I figure that most of the list doesn't need a 1811 line
> text
> file appearing out of the blue.
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
> morej at alliancetechnologies.net
> 515-245-7701
>
>
> >>> 07/17/06 3:03 PM >>>
> I see they have 10 on their website this morning, but when I click on
> the package descriptions for SLED 10, I get the list for Novell Linux
> Desktop 9. The only question I have is what packages are available for
> SLED 10 and whether I can host websites on it like I'm doing with SLP
> 9.3.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Josh More"
> : --------------
>
>
> > First of all, let me clear up a misunderstanding. *all* versions of
> > SUSE are the
> > "open source" version. They're just not all free. They all contain
> > some
> > closed source software. Here are the differences:
> >
> > 1) OpenSUSE
> >
> > This is a project like Fedora or Ubuntu. It is available, for free,
> to
> > anyone
> > who wishes to download it. If you wish to pay for it, you can also
> > get
> > Novell support. It tends to have a six month lifetime, after which it
>
> > is replaced
> > by a new minor number. Emphasis is on new and experimentalism. As
> > such,
> > this is best aimed at power users, who can deal with the rough edges
> to
> > get
> > the best tools. When the minor number hits 1, it becomes:
> >
> > 2) SUSE Core
> >
> > This is the base for the other SUSE/Novell Linux versions. It is
> > considered
> > stable, and is supported for 7 years from release. It can be
> > downloaded
> > as part of the products below, for free, as an evaluation. Support
> > costs money.
> >
> > 3) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES)
> >
> > This is a distribution intended to be used as a server. Emphasis is
> on
> > security
> > and stability. Versions 9 and 10 are available, based on Core 9, and
>
> > Core 10
> > respectively. Consider it similar to RHEL in purpose, though somewhat
>
> > different in support and 3rd party apps (like App Armor and full Xen
>
> > support)
> >
> > 4) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED except in the Netherlands)
> >
> > This is a distribution intended to be used as a desktop (duh).
> > Emphasis
> > here is on usability. This is the Linux intended to be used by
> "normal
> > people".
> > It has all the glitz and glamor with minimal rough edges. It does
> > *not* have
> > the latest and greatest foo.whatever. Stability still matters.
> > Versions 9 and
> > 10 are available. 9 is intended to be used by call center people, and
>
> > data entry folks. 10 is intended to be used by general office
> > workers.
> > Neither is intended to be used by power users.
> >
> > 5) Open Enterprise Server (OES)
> >
> > This is basically SLES with Novell services. It natively supports
> NSS,
> > iFolder, iPrint,
> > GroupWise, and the standard Novell/Netware fare. It is intended to
> > replace
> > Netware and MS Small Business Server. There a nice new bundle that
> > includes
> > OES, Groupwise, OpenOffice and (optionally) Linux Desktop. This tends
>
> > to be
> > much cheaper per user than MS Small Business Server, and it's all
> open
> > source.
> > (go ahead, get excited now). Currently, it is only available in
> > version 9, but version
> > 10 is expected once SLES 10 stabilizes.
> >
> > 6) Novell Linux Point of Service (LPOS)
> >
> > This is a version of Linux that runs well on cash registers and like
>
> > machines.
> > It has native hardware support and includes the fancy Java tools that
>
> > this
> > hardware requires. I have very little experience with this other than
>
> > a basic
> > install. I think that only version 9 is currently available.
> >
> > 7) Netware 6.5
> >
> > What am I doing? Netware isn't Linux! Well, actually, Novell
> > announced
> > that they will support Netware for 13 years (from last March) when it
>
> > is
> > running inside Xen on SLES 10 (and theoretically, all other versions
> of
> > SLES).
> >
> >
> > In general:
> >
> > If you are a hobbiest or hacker, use OpenSUSE
> > If you are in the business world and need a server, use SLES
> > If you are in the business world and need a desktop, use SLED
> > If you are in the business world and need a one- box- fits- all, use
> OES
> >
> > If you have more questions, feel free to ask me at the LUG meeting on
>
> > Wed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > - Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
> > morej at alliancetechnologies.net
> > 515- 245- 7701
> >
> >
> > >>> "Carl Olsen" 07/16/06 8:56 PM >>>
> > I'd also like to start using Java and JSP, so I'm interested in
> Tomcat
> > as
> > well, but I think this release is going to have Geronimo. What can
> you
> > tell
> > me about Java/JSP support on this new release?
> >
> > ----- Original Message-----
> > From: cialug- bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-
> bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Carl Olsen
> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:54 PM
> > To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group'
> > Subject: RE: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday
> >
> > I was just about to install SUSE 10.1 (the open source version), but
>
> > when I
> > read your email I decided to wait until tomorrow. What is the
> > difference
> > between the open source version and the SUSE Linux Desktop 10 version
>
> > that
> > is being released tomorrow? I see the price for Novell Linux
> > Enterprise
> > Desktop 9 is around $35 on their web site. I believe you can buy the
>
> > open
> > source version, but the price is actually higher than $35. I don't
> > quite
> > understand the difference. I'm interested in Apache 2, PHP 5, and
> > MySQL 5,
> > and I'm also using PostgreSQL 8 and Mono 1.1.
> >
> > Carl Olsen
> > Web Developer
> > Drake University
> >
> > ----- Original Message-----
> > From: cialug- bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-
> bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Josh More
> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:52 PM
> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> > Subject: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday
> >
> > OK, we have 10- 20 minutes allocated for SFD (in case it runs long).
>
> >
> > This means that we can handle 6- 8 lightning talks.
> > ( http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Lightning+Talks )
> >
> > I have signed myself up to give a talk on SUSE Linux Desktop 10,
> which
> > is expected to be released this Monday.
> > If it doesn't pan out, I'll find something else.
> >
> > If there is a talk you would like to give, sign up at
> > http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Meeting+Agenda
> > or email me, and I will sign you up myself.
> >
> > Looking forward to seeing everyone on Wed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > - Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
> > morej at alliancetechnologies.net
> > 515- 245- 7701
> >
> >
> > >>> "Kevin C. Smith" 07/16/06 1:46 PM >>>
> > On Sun, 2006- 07- 16 at 13:33 - 0500, Josh More wrote:
> > > According the wiki, our meeting this Wednesday will be focused on
> > > Software Freedom Day.
> > >
> > > My questions:
> > >
> > > 1) Will SFD take up the entire meeting?
> >
> > No. 10 minutes
> >
> > > 2) If not, does anyone here have a topic that they would like to
> > > present?
> > > 3) Failing that, does anyone here have a topic that they would like
>
> > to
> > > see presented?
> >
> > --
> > IT is the duty of every man, as far as his ability extends, to detect
>
> > and expose delusion and error. But nature has not given to everyone a
>
> > talent for the purpose; and among those to whom such a talent is
> > given,
> > there is often a want of disposition or of courage to do it.
> > -- Thomas Paine
> >
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