[Cialug] OT: USB Issues

Scott Yates Scott at yatesframe.com
Wed Jul 6 22:27:08 UTC 2022 

Interesting!  I did not know about the work on the game drivers for AMD
under Linux.  Good deal.  Would be nice to have stable and fast drivers for
AMD in Windows too.

Thanks for your perspective!

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:24 PM Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> wrote:

> My understanding is that nVidia GPUs can be "made to work" for gaming on
> Linux, while AMD GPUs "just work". Steam & AMD did a lot of work on the
> open source AMD GPU drivers for the Steam Deck launch while nVidia is stuck
> with the proprietary drivers.
>
> I've got a couple of desktops with nVidia cards and I had to disable the
> proprietary drivers because they were just too unstable. I don't really
> game or do much with 3D so no big deal for me - the performance of the open
> source nVidia drivers is good enough for me.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:08 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought nVidia GPUs were pretty well supported for gaming on Linux too?
> > In Windows at least nVidia is still better.  Drivers are the main issue
> for
> > AMD GPUs in Windows (as always).
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:00 PM Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> wrote:
> >
> > > Windows or Linux? Linux gaming finally seems to be here thanks to the
> > Steam
> > > Deck but only if you use AMD GPUs.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 9:57 PM Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I checked with Dymin. They charged me $20 plus tax to test the
> > processor.
> > > > They said it failed. So either I mishandled it or Best Buy did, or
> the
> > > > board fried it. It was working before I sent in the motherboard for
> > > > testing. Guess I should’ve taken both to Dymin then. But I thought
> > > Gigabyte
> > > > would repair it.
> > > >
> > > > So now comes the decision. Buy parts, or buy a new PC? And if I buy
> > > parts,
> > > > stick with AMD, or go Intel?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 11:40 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You might check with Dymin computers
> > > > > <https://www.dyminsystems.com/repair-and-sales/>.  They might be
> > able
> > > to
> > > > > help diagnose.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 9:32 PM Tim Wilson <
> > tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tried a different PSU, no luck. The fans turn on, I hear a click
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > speaker, but no beeps, no video. Is there any place that would
> test
> > > the
> > > > > > processor and/or MB for a reasonable fee?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Scott Yates <
> Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, if i had an extra CPU, i would make it available to test.
> > > > Anyone
> > > > > > > else have one that might fit AM4?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:44 PM Scott Yates <
> > Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While it is not for sure, it is VERY often the case that the
> > psu
> > > > > > absorbs
> > > > > > > > the majority of damage during electrical "events".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Even though the motherboard and things are often more
> delicate,
> > > it
> > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > seems to affect the PSU more than you would expect.
> Sometimes
> > it
> > > > > makes
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > marginal, sometimes it kills it outright.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:42 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> This PC is the same, no speaker. But the MB has a header,
> so I
> > > dug
> > > > > > out a
> > > > > > > >> speaker from an old PC. I hear some clicks when it powers
> up,
> > > but
> > > > no
> > > > > > > >> beeps.
> > > > > > > >> I don’t see an LED display. The power LED blinks when
> holding
> > > the
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > >> button, but it never powers down. Gotta flip the PSU
> switch. I
> > > > could
> > > > > > > get a
> > > > > > > >> new MB cheap, NewEgg has it on sale. But if it’s the
> > processor,
> > > > I’d
> > > > > > > >> probably switch to Intel instead of AMD.
> > > > > > > >> This is the MB I have:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-wifi/p/N82E16813145164?Item=N82E16813145164&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-145-164-_-06132022
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I’ll try a different PSU. I tried this last year when I was
> > > trying
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> figure out the noise coming from the USB powered speakers.
> > That
> > > > > turned
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > >> to be a fried speaker, 1 of the 3 devices that were
> connected.
> > > > Video
> > > > > > > >> capture, and external hard drive were the others.  I still
> > don’t
> > > > > > > >> understand
> > > > > > > >> how there wasn’t damage to the MB, when 3 of the 5 devices
> > that
> > > > were
> > > > > > > >> connected, got fried.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:09 PM Scott Yates <
> > > Scott at yatesframe.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > This is a good point as well.  Though most recent
> > motherboards
> > > > DO
> > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > > >> > postcode seven segment LED displays right on the
> > motherboard.
> > > > Do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > >> see
> > > > > > > >> > any lights at all on the board?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nicholas Olson <
> > > > > > > >> nicholas.olson83 at gmail.com
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > Keeping it simple. Is there even a speaker to generate
> the
> > > > > beeps?
> > > > > > > >> That’s
> > > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > > >> > > phenomenon I discovered in the last few years on my
> Ryzen
> > > > > mobos. I
> > > > > > > >> would
> > > > > > > >> > > get no beeps on boots whether good or bad. I noticed
> there
> > > was
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > >> speaker
> > > > > > > >> > > built in or wired to the front panel header pins.
> Hooking
> > a
> > > > > > speaker
> > > > > > > >> from
> > > > > > > >> > my
> > > > > > > >> > > junk drawer to the speaker header and walla. Either the
> > > single
> > > > > > > >> > ‘everything
> > > > > > > >> > > is ok’ beeps, or the POST code for identifying an issue.
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Jun 13, 2022, at 12:56 AM, Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > Resurrecting this old thread, need some more help. To
> > get
> > > > up
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> speed,
> > > > > > > >> > > > there was a lightning strike near my house in October.
> > > > There
> > > > > > > were 3
> > > > > > > >> > USB
> > > > > > > >> > > > devices hooked up to my gaming tower, not including
> the
> > KB
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >> mouse.
> > > > > > > >> > > All
> > > > > > > >> > > > 3 were fried (KB and mouse seemed to be ok).  The
> > computer
> > > > > > > >> continued to
> > > > > > > >> > > > work, but I was  afraid to plug in anything to the USB
> > > > ports.
> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > In March,  I finally decided to send the motherboard
> > into
> > > > > > Gigabyte
> > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > >> > > > warranty repair.  To my surprise, they said there was
> > > > nothing
> > > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > >> > with
> > > > > > > >> > > > it.  After getting it back, I let it sit for a couple
> of
> > > > > > months, I
> > > > > > > >> > wasn’t
> > > > > > > >> > > > looking forward to putting it back together.  That was
> > the
> > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >> > > bought
> > > > > > > >> > > > a pre-built PC.  I made a mistake in taking it to Best
> > > Buy,
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > >> said
> > > > > > > >> > > they
> > > > > > > >> > > > would reassemble it for me.  Thanks to a recent
> > appliance
> > > > > > > purchase,
> > > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > > >> > > had
> > > > > > > >> > > > their Total Tech, so there wasn’t a charge to assemble
> > it.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > >> assumed
> > > > > > > >> > it
> > > > > > > >> > > > would be back to either full working order, or at
> least
> > > back
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> what it
> > > > > > > >> > > was
> > > > > > > >> > > > prior to sending it in for repair.  Instead, they said
> > it
> > > > > > wouldn’t
> > > > > > > >> > boot.
> > > > > > > >> > > > Of course, they wanted to sell me a new setup.  I
> > decided
> > > to
> > > > > > bring
> > > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > > >> > > home
> > > > > > > >> > > > and take a look at it.
> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > I thought maybe it would be a bent pin on the
> processor,
> > > or
> > > > > > > >> something I
> > > > > > > >> > > > could figure out.  Unfortunately, I’m stumped.  I
> don’t
> > > know
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > it’s
> > > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > > >> > > > MB, or processor.  I don’t get any beeps, even without
> > > > RAM.  I
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >> > > > either buy new parts, or get it diagnosed.  Does
> anyone
> > > know
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >> > place I
> > > > > > > >> > > > could take it to get it diagnosed?  It’s a Gigabyte
> MB,
> > > AM4
> > > > > > > Socket,
> > > > > > > >> > > Ryzen 7
> > > > > > > >> > > > processor, not quite 3 years old.
> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > TIA!
> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:35 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > > >> tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > >> My spare PSU didn't have enough 8 pin connectors, so
> I
> > > > > couldn't
> > > > > > > >> plug
> > > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > > >> > > my
> > > > > > > >> > > >> video card.  But, I hooked up everything else, and
> not
> > > long
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> > > boot
> > > > > > > >> > > >> process (pre-OS), the noise returned.  It is
> definitely
> > > > > coming
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > > >> > > >> speakers.  If I shutdown the PC (but leave the PSU
> on),
> > > the
> > > > > > > >> speakers
> > > > > > > >> > > stay
> > > > > > > >> > > >> powered, but no noise.  I should also say that I can
> > plug
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> speakers
> > > > > > > >> > > into
> > > > > > > >> > > >> a USB battery and again, no noise.  And the audio
> comes
> > > > from
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > >> > > connector on
> > > > > > > >> > > >> the back of a monitor.  So whatever input is selected
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> monitor,
> > > > > > > >> > is
> > > > > > > >> > > >> where the audio comes from.  But the noise stays
> > > regardless
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > input
> > > > > > > >> > > >> selected, if the speaker power cable is plugged into
> my
> > > PC.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > > >> Would purchasing an add-on USB card fix the issue, or
> > do
> > > > you
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > >> > > >> noise would follow?  Or should I just bite the bullet
> > and
> > > > > buy a
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > >> > MB?
> > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > > >> Now I'm having another problem.  When it is on my
> desk
> > > and
> > > > > > open,
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >> can
> > > > > > > >> > > get
> > > > > > > >> > > >> the LEDs to work.  But on the floor, the LEDs are
> off.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > >> it's
> > > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > > >> > > >> power issue.  There's a power cable that runs from an
> > ATA
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > >> > > connector
> > > > > > > >> > > >> to a board that controls the LEDs. I think one of the
> > > > > > connectors
> > > > > > > >> came
> > > > > > > >> > > loose.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > > >> Did I say I wish I hadn't bought this thing?  I got
> > > scared
> > > > > off
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > >> > > >> assembling my own since it had been years since I
> built
> > > my
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > >> one.
> > > > > > > >> > I
> > > > > > > >> > > >> might have to do that after all.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:56 PM L. V. Lammert <
> > > > > lvl at omnitec.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > > >>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021, David Champion wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> I have a PC power supply tester that give you a
> > reading
> > > > on
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >> > > >>> thevoltages. Also have a multimeter, and we have an
> > > > o-scope
> > > > > > (I'm
> > > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > > >> > > >>> qualifiedto run but others are) at Area515.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>> Would it not be simpler to just order a new PSU? At
> a
> > > cost
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > >> $40, ..
> > > > > > > >> > > your
> > > > > > > >> > > >>> time value would be WELL above that - we keep two or
> > > three
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > shelf
> > > > > > > >> > > >>> at all times.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>        Lee
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