[Cialug] How the Internet works

[Dave J. Hala Jr.]

I don't agree at all... and I didn't have a knee jerk reaction. He (the
senator) didn't understand what he was voting on -and that's scary. He
didn't take the time to understand the issue. 


On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 16:56, Claus wrote:
> It's not about whether or not the amendment is reasonable.  Its about 
> the attitude of the posts.  Knee jerk reactions like that only cause 
> more harm.  Here is a senator that needs the expertise from people like 
> you, yet you call him an idiot.  This doesn't foster any communications, 
> instead positions the senator more solid with the telecom lobbyists.
> 
> The mistakes he made during the speech are quite common throughout the 
> normal population.  There is always the notion that someone has to have 
> invented the Internet, that one is using the Internet, that one can buy 
> it and that it's free.  The Internet is a bunch of different things to 
> different people and there isn't one exact definition, not even within 
> the IT world.  But it really doesn't matter.  We all know that the 
> Internet he got was an email message.  What matters is that he like 
> millions of other people want to get their email to arrive reliably and 
> fast.  While the opponents promise that they will, we tell him he's an 
> idiot.  Good job!
> 
>    Claus
> 
> On 7/3/2006 1:20 PM, Dave Weis wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Claus wrote:
> >> First of all you have to remember that Senators have to deal with all 
> >> kinds of issues, not just IT.  So it's very difficult for them to be 
> >> an expert on everything.  If you listen to the audio you'd know that 
> >> right away.
> > 
> > If it's part of your job to make decisions that affect 250+ million 
> > people directly, plus a few billion more around the world indirectly, 
> > you should understand the basic principles of how it works. He's also 
> > not a first year peon, he chairs the Committee on Commerce, Science and 
> > Transportation. That sounds like someone that should have an inklink of 
> > how things work.
> > 
> >> While he did get some things incorrect, he also had several things 
> >> correct. While he wasn't the smoothest speaker, he voiced a valid 
> >> concern.  It is hard for us to overhear the little mistakes like 
> >> "sending the Internet" and such and focus on the real concern.
> >>
> >> All what I hear is bashing by us but nobody stepped up and tried to 
> >> clarify things and argue for or against it with solid and easy to 
> >> understand reasons. In a democracy it is our duty as citizens to stay 
> >> informed in politics and elect and vote intelligently when called 
> >> upon.  As technological experts it's our duty to advice our political 
> >> representatives.  For this list it would be fully appropriate, with 
> >> the proper subject line, to discuss the amendment intension while 
> >> bashing people shouldn't be.
> > 
> > The amendment was completely reasonable and had a good reason to be 
> > there, see next paragraph.
> > 
> >> The part that makes me sick are the people that make just make fun of 
> >> them but don't contribute anything useful.  Such behavior is extremely 
> >> low and just plain destructive.  Who wants to serve in a public office 
> >> or voice their opinions just so others make fun of you?
> > 
> > There are plenty of astroturf groups making noise about the issue. I saw 
> > in person a petition paid for by the telephone companies getting people 
> > excited about protecting the internet from regulation. The regulations 
> > being that carriers can not intentionally degrade traffic over their 
> > network that goes to a competitor. It didn't prevent carriers from 
> > giving themselves priority, just preventing them from affecting 
> > competitors. The request for the law has come up because some carriers 
> > are intentionally harming traffic like Vonage when it eats into their 
> > wireline revenue.
> > 
> > dave
> > 
> >> On 7/3/2006 7:11 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> >>> Sometimes you want to laugh when you realize that these politicians just
> >>> don't get it. Then you realize that they are our leaders, and it just
> >>> makes you sick.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 06:50, Dave Weis wrote:
> >>>> I guess I was wrong on how I thought things worked:
> >>>> http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/?entry_id=1512499
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
> >> Cialug at cialug.org
> >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug at cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 

Open Source Information Systems, Inc. (OSIS)
Dave J. Hala Jr., President <dave at osis.us>
641.485.1606