[DM-MUG] DMMUG Digest, Vol 75, Issue 20

Sun Jul 24 21:22:16 CDT 2011

Thanks, Victoria, for the review and pointing me that direction.  Perhaps I can help myself this way.  Thanks.
Chris and Matthew, Thanks for the interesting conversation.  You lost me on some acronyms and terms WAAAAY above me; but still interesting.  I "sort of" grasped parts of it.

Jenny Jorgensen
jajorgy at aol.com
jajorgy1 at me.com

"If animals play, this is because play is useful in the struggle for survival; because play practices and so perfects the skills needed in adult life".----Susanna Miller 

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>   1. Re: New Lion OS (Victoria L. Herring)
>   2. Re: New Lion OS (Matthew Nuzum)
>   3. Re: New Lion OS (Chris Van Cleve)
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:31:33 -0500
> From: "Victoria L. Herring" <vlh at herringlaw.com>
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] New Lion OS
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> I posted my review of Upgrading to Lion [Take Control] at my law blog site == www.herringlaw.com - for those who might want to review it.
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> VICTORIA L. HERRING, Photographer:  Images that will Transport You;
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> From: Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] New Lion OS
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> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Jorgensen Jenny <jajorgy at aol.com> wrote:
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>> Has anyone upgraded to this?  I was ready to do it, but just finished
>> reading some comments and am not so sure now!  Lots of negatives, some way
>> over my head, but speed and ease of use appeared to be a couple big ones.
>> 
>> Any thoughts you care to share?
>> Thank you.
>> Jenny
>> 
>> 
> Overall went well. Here are a few *sour points*:
> 
> I used bootcamp to partition my disk but instead of Windows I used Linux.
> Lion refused to install. Apparently it wants your disk to have only one
> partition. I'm not sure if this is true if I'd installed Windows since
> Linux, when installed this way, will actually create two partitions rather
> than the one that Windows would have made.
> 
> After installing Lion instead of the flashy video you get with leopard and
> snow leopard you instead get a help video that shows you how the mouse
> scrolling now works exactly opposite of what people expect. As someone who
> studies and cares about usability this seems like a major failing. (using a
> touch pad is not direct manipulation, but I digress) The mouse settings lets
> you easily switch back to the old way.
> 
> Scrolling in general is not as smooth as it was in snow leopard. I have a 2
> year old mac book pro and scrolling has occasional jerks and twitches and
> there is display corruption in the bottom part of the scroll bar in some
> apps.
> 
> When you leave your computer for a bit and the screen blanks, moving the
> mouse won't wake it up, you have to press a key. I can't seem to find a way
> to change this behavior but haven't looked real hard yet.
> 
> Battery life seems to have dropped significantly (from four hours to 2.5)
> but there are so many variables that I'm not sure where to place the fault.
> It could be a setting needing tweaked.
> 
> A friend of mine used Photoshop CS2 which is PPC only. He was surprised to
> find it didn't work.
> 
> TimeMachine backups won't work well with non-Apple network storage. I've
> built my own using Linux and netatalk. There is a patch to update things so
> I got mine working pretty quickly. However if you have bought a device to do
> this you will be stuck until the vendor provides an update.
> 
> The terminal app now does something odd when you type a long command.
> Instead of wrapping, the left part scrolls off the side so you can't see the
> whole line at once. I'm sure I'll find a way to disable this.
> 
> I'm not happy with mail. I can't make sense of it at all. I have reverted to
> using my phone or browser for e-mail. I have three accounts and I know I've
> got unread e-mail in one but can't find it. I'm very frustrated by the
> change here.
> 
> Some *positive points*:
> 
> Launchpad is great. Way better than the dashboard. I've always had four
> virtual desktops so the change that fixes it to four doesn't affect me. If
> you're used to more you may be disappointed.
> 
> XCode 4.1 is now free in the app store. (3.x was free but you needed a
> developer account, 4.0 was $5)
> 
> A modern version of Python (2.7!) - I'm a python developer so this is good
> in my opinion. :-) - keep in mind that if you are a python dev like me
> you'll have to re-install many of your modules. I had to run sudo
> easy_install pip and then pip worked. Prior to that pip would freak out in
> really weird ways.
> 
> The terminal shows a spinning throbber on tabs when you're running a
> command. This way if you're processing something you can switch to a
> different tab and still see when you're earlier task finishes.
> 
> The slight UI improvements are good. The low-profile scroll bars look nice.
> Progress bars and text fields now have a slight stroke to them which gives a
> little depth.
> 
> Except for Python apps that needed modules that weren't active in the new
> version all of my apps worked fine.
> 
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> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
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> ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:10:24 -0500
> From: Chris Van Cleve <chris at vanclevefamily.net>
> To: Des Moines Mac Users Group <dmmug at dmmug.org>
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] New Lion OS
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> Oo! Oo! I wanna play Devil's advocate! ;)
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> On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
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>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Jorgensen Jenny <jajorgy at aol.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone upgraded to this?  I was ready to do it, but just finished reading some comments and am not so sure now!  Lots of negatives, some way over my head, but speed and ease of use appeared to be a couple big ones.
>> 
>> Any thoughts you care to share?
>> Thank you.
>> Jenny
>> 
>> 
> 
> I didn't comment on this before because I'm a developer and I've been using Lion for months, so it would be difficult for me to focus in on anything without guidance, like Matt provided below. I can say Lion is MUCH faster and much more easier to use than any prior version of Mac OS X. In fact, the less of a power user you are, the more you will like the changes. Launchpad, Fullscreen and MAS are designed specifically for new to casual users. 
> 
> A touchpad is not a requirement to using Lion, but I will admit it is a whole new, easier experience if you have one. the price tag is worth every penny under Lion.
> 
>> Overall went well. Here are a few sour points:
>> 
>> I used bootcamp to partition my disk but instead of Windows I used Linux. Lion refused to install. Apparently it wants your disk to have only one partition. I'm not sure if this is true if I'd installed Windows since Linux, when installed this way, will actually create two partitions rather than the one that Windows would have made.
> 
> I'm going to get techy here. Sorry. The new Recovery partition must be in the 0 position. It's not that you can have only one partition, it's that you can't have a non-movable partition in the 0 slot. This is actually a problem more with BootCamp than with Lion. If you google around a bit you'll find all kinds of BootCamp issues with the dreaded 4th slot. Linux, Windows, Chrome. Doesn't matter what OS you used.
> 
>> After installing Lion instead of the flashy video you get with leopard and snow leopard you instead get a help video that shows you how the mouse scrolling now works exactly opposite of what people expect. As someone who studies and cares about usability this seems like a major failing. (using a touch pad is not direct manipulation, but I digress) The mouse settings lets you easily switch back to the old way.
> 
> Give it a week. Really. It makes more sense. A LOT more sense. I think this is a usability WIN after critical mass hits. Also, studies have proven that the only people who find the decades old scrolling behavior to be natural, or to use your words, what they expect, are people who have been using mice for many years. People new to digital input actually find this modern scroll behavior to be more natural. Again, give it a week. Let your mind make the flip and you'll find you're actually thinking even less about an action you barely think about now.
> 
>> 
>> Scrolling in general is not as smooth as it was in snow leopard. I have a 2 year old mac book pro and scrolling has occasional jerks and twitches and there is display corruption in the bottom part of the scroll bar in some apps.
> 
> I haven't seen this. I'd be interested to know more specifics. Did you turn scroll bars back on all the time, or are you using an app which has controls in the scroll bar area? That Legacy mode does cause some odd behaviors.
> 
>> 
>> When you leave your computer for a bit and the screen blanks, moving the mouse won't wake it up, you have to press a key. I can't seem to find a way to change this behavior but haven't looked real hard yet.
> 
> Yep, this one annoys the hell out of me. Lots of us have been trying to find a way around it. Doesn't even seem to be affected by Bluetooth or Corded. Fails both ways.
> 
>> 
>> Battery life seems to have dropped significantly (from four hours to 2.5) but there are so many variables that I'm not sure where to place the fault. It could be a setting needing tweaked.
>> 
>> A friend of mine used Photoshop CS2 which is PPC only. He was surprised to find it didn't work.
> 
> Your friend has been living under a rock. Apple has made this public knowledge since the first introduction to Lion last year. the writing has been on the wall for 5 years. It's time to upgrade your apps, find alternatives or not upgrade your OS. Rosetta was always meant to be a temporary bandaid to give developers time to upgrade their apps. Several (most notably Intuit with Quicken) have failed to do so in 5 years. That's inexcusable. I replaced Quicken years ago when it became obvious they had no intention of removing their crufty carbon PPC reliant code.
> 
>> 
>> TimeMachine backups won't work well with non-Apple network storage. I've built my own using Linux and netatalk. There is a patch to update things so I got mine working pretty quickly. However if you have bought a device to do this you will be stuck until the vendor provides an update.
> 
> I have a WD HDD attached to an Airport Extreme Base Station and it continues to work flawlessly. It's possible the Extreme component is why, but this seems odd to me. (Not your experience, that an Extreme could prevent the issue. No updates to it in months)
> 
>> The terminal app now does something odd when you type a long command. Instead of wrapping, the left part scrolls off the side so you can't see the whole line at once. I'm sure I'll find a way to disable this.
>> 
>> I'm not happy with mail. I can't make sense of it at all. I have reverted to using my phone or browser for e-mail. I have three accounts and I know I've got unread e-mail in one but can't find it. I'm very frustrated by the change here.
> 
> This surprises me the most. The new version of Mail is perhaps the largest and most welcome change to users in Lion. It's finally 3-paned without a plugin, search is wicked fast and easy, It handles Gmail better than any other 3rd party client, for Enterprise users, the Exchange support is almost top-notch. Conversation view alone is leap above and beyond anything else out there. What can't you make sense of? I'd be happy to help you get it sorted. If any of your accounts are not POP3 (so, IMAP, EXCH, etc.) I recommend deleting them and re-adding them manually via the new Preference Pane in System Preferences. It will set them up much better than Mail ever could before, and carrying over old setups losing some functionality.
> 
> 
> 
> So for my own gripes, I'll leave it with the two of the largest impacts for me: I hate Mission Control. I'm a heavy virtual desktop and Expose user. Merging the two together would have been fine, but throwing in Full screen apps as separate spaces AND keeping spaces to a single row is no end of frustrating for me. For most people though, this will likely make more sense and be easier to understand.
> 
> The other is the hidden Library folder in the user home directory. Granted, it takes a one-time terminal command to correct, but it was still annoying at first when it wasn't well documented. This is another of those items though, that will save me a lot of frustration in my duties as Family Support Guy. Most people don't need access to this folder directly, and having it int he past has led to several user rebuilds to fix missing files.
> 
>> 
>> Some positive points:
>> 
>> Launchpad is great. Way better than the dashboard. I've always had four virtual desktops so the change that fixes it to four doesn't affect me. If you're used to more you may be disappointed.
>> 
>> XCode 4.1 is now free in the app store. (3.x was free but you needed a developer account, 4.0 was $5)
>> 
>> A modern version of Python (2.7!) - I'm a python developer so this is good in my opinion. :-) - keep in mind that if you are a python dev like me you'll have to re-install many of your modules. I had to run sudo easy_install pip and then pip worked. Prior to that pip would freak out in really weird ways.
>> 
>> The terminal shows a spinning throbber on tabs when you're running a command. This way if you're processing something you can switch to a different tab and still see when you're earlier task finishes.
>> 
>> The slight UI improvements are good. The low-profile scroll bars look nice. Progress bars and text fields now have a slight stroke to them which gives a little depth.
>> 
>> Except for Python apps that needed modules that weren't active in the new version all of my apps worked fine.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>> 
>> 
>> ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
>> 
>> 
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