[DM-MUG] New Lion OS

[Chris Van Cleve]

I think I can reveal this without breaking NDA. 10.7.2 has nothing to do with bug fixes, et al. I wouldn't get hopes up about 10.7.1 being released "soon". While it's possible, the 10.7.2 seed has nothing to do with Lion itself, rather an add-on that hasn't been released to the public yet.

Cryptic enough? ;)

On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Bailey Ford wrote:

> I am surprised to hear about the scrolling issue. Has your spotlight reindexing completed? That can slow a system down while it is busy. Lion starts off by reindexing everything.  What apps do your see this in?
> 
> Yeah, PPC support is totally dead. Even the Rosetta system that let us run ppc code on intel macs is gone. For those who rely on 5 year old software, it's upgrade time or no lion for you. 
> 
> I'm rather shocked about the battery life change. I haven't seen that reported anywhere else and there shouldn't be any extra system resources in use when compare to snow leopard. I'd check the activity monitor to see if you have a process eating cycles in the background.
> 
> What is confusing about Mail? New messages have a blue dot next to them, but I think you knew that. One change that might be affecting you is that the indicator that an account is offline is more hidden that before. Click the show button to reveal a column that shows all of your accounts and folders. The offline indicator is that little circle with a bang inside a triangle. Just a guess. I freaking love the new mail.
> 
> Dashboard and Launchpad are totally different things. I suspect you are talking about mission control, which combines dashboard, spaces, and exposé features all onto one screen. You can add new spaces with the plus button that appears when the mouse is near the top of the screen.  Spaces can be deleted my mousing over a space and then clicking on the X. Spaces are also dynamically created every time an application goes into full screen mode. Unlike snow leopard, spaces are arranged in a horizontal  line. In snow leopard they were in a rectangular grid. The default gesture for mission control is four fingers swipe up.
> 
> Just to be clear for the group, Launchpad is an application launching screen that looks just like the home screen on an iPhone - it has screens of application icons with little dots at the bottom to indicate how many screens there are. On lion, it also lets you group your apps into folders just like in iOS. The default gesture for Launchpad is four fingers and thumb "unpinch". 
> 
> I'm happy to hear that python is getting some update love from apple, and I am intrigued to hear about the changes to terminal. On my system, long commands wrap normally, so that is probably specific to your setup.
> 
> I also can not wake the machine from sleep with the wireless trackpad. This is exactly how it was for me in snow leopard. Keyboard works just fine for this. One weird thing, is that when I put the machine directly to sleep with command-option-eject, it wakes right back up. 
> 
> One last heads up... The developers have been seeded with 10.7.2! Most people think this is because 10.7.1 is imminent. Bug fixes await us.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bailey 
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Jorgensen Jenny <jajorgy at aol.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone upgraded to this?  I was ready to do it, but just finished reading some comments and am not so sure now!  Lots of negatives, some way over my head, but speed and ease of use appeared to be a couple big ones.
>> 
>> Any thoughts you care to share?
>> Thank you.
>> Jenny
>> 
>> 
>> Overall went well. Here are a few sour points:
>> 
>> I used bootcamp to partition my disk but instead of Windows I used Linux. Lion refused to install. Apparently it wants your disk to have only one partition. I'm not sure if this is true if I'd installed Windows since Linux, when installed this way, will actually create two partitions rather than the one that Windows would have made.
>> 
>> After installing Lion instead of the flashy video you get with leopard and snow leopard you instead get a help video that shows you how the mouse scrolling now works exactly opposite of what people expect. As someone who studies and cares about usability this seems like a major failing. (using a touch pad is not direct manipulation, but I digress) The mouse settings lets you easily switch back to the old way.
>> 
>> Scrolling in general is not as smooth as it was in snow leopard. I have a 2 year old mac book pro and scrolling has occasional jerks and twitches and there is display corruption in the bottom part of the scroll bar in some apps.
>> 
>> When you leave your computer for a bit and the screen blanks, moving the mouse won't wake it up, you have to press a key. I can't seem to find a way to change this behavior but haven't looked real hard yet.
>> 
>> Battery life seems to have dropped significantly (from four hours to 2.5) but there are so many variables that I'm not sure where to place the fault. It could be a setting needing tweaked.
>> 
>> A friend of mine used Photoshop CS2 which is PPC only. He was surprised to find it didn't work.
>> 
>> TimeMachine backups won't work well with non-Apple network storage. I've built my own using Linux and netatalk. There is a patch to update things so I got mine working pretty quickly. However if you have bought a device to do this you will be stuck until the vendor provides an update.
>> 
>> The terminal app now does something odd when you type a long command. Instead of wrapping, the left part scrolls off the side so you can't see the whole line at once. I'm sure I'll find a way to disable this.
>> 
>> I'm not happy with mail. I can't make sense of it at all. I have reverted to using my phone or browser for e-mail. I have three accounts and I know I've got unread e-mail in one but can't find it. I'm very frustrated by the change here.
>> 
>> Some positive points:
>> 
>> Launchpad is great. Way better than the dashboard. I've always had four virtual desktops so the change that fixes it to four doesn't affect me. If you're used to more you may be disappointed.
>> 
>> XCode 4.1 is now free in the app store. (3.x was free but you needed a developer account, 4.0 was $5)
>> 
>> A modern version of Python (2.7!) - I'm a python developer so this is good in my opinion. :-) - keep in mind that if you are a python dev like me you'll have to re-install many of your modules. I had to run sudo easy_install pip and then pip worked. Prior to that pip would freak out in really weird ways.
>> 
>> The terminal shows a spinning throbber on tabs when you're running a command. This way if you're processing something you can switch to a different tab and still see when you're earlier task finishes.
>> 
>> The slight UI improvements are good. The low-profile scroll bars look nice. Progress bars and text fields now have a slight stroke to them which gives a little depth.
>> 
>> Except for Python apps that needed modules that weren't active in the new version all of my apps worked fine.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Matthew Nuzum
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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