[DM-MUG] import from HI-8 video camera

Mon Nov 23 15:39:56 CST 2009

You might have a point there.

On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:

> Agreed in regards to the source being Hi8 to begin with. However, converting to composite introduces further loss into the analog signal, which is not there if you utilize a direct Hi8 to DV conversion. Reduce the number of times you have to transcode, because every one is a loss of some part of the signal. And Hi8 doesn't have much of a signal to begin with.
> 
> I have an elgato box that I've used with Betamax tapes, which don't have any other option other than composite conversion. They do well enough. But I wouldn't use them if I had a direct betamax to dv workflow.
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> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Same source either way you look at it.  The Hi-8 tape is read by the heads and the analog signal is sent either to the cameras internal Digital 8 codec or eternally via the RCA jacks to a eternal codec for digitization.  The determining factor would be which is the superior codec.  I would lean towards Jeremy R. Geerde's "Elgato" recommendation below.
> 
> On my end I use a Sony PD170 camera to digitize all analog sources, such as Hi-8, VHS and pretty much anything with a analog source via RCA jacks.  I've venture to guess that the Sony PD170's internal DV codec will provide a higher quality digitization when used with high quality cables arranged in a manner as to avoid interference. 
> 
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
> 
>> If the individual can rent or borrow higher end equipment, that is great. Otherwise, I suggest a strategy that I call "eBay rentals"...
>> 
>> Buy the obscure equipment on eBay.
>> Use it for what you need.
>> Sell it back on eBay (to a different buyer,) hopefully getting most, if not all, of your money back.
>> 
>> As for your recommendation to use the RCA jacks on the camera.. It is better to do the conversion in camera where it is being converted directly from HI8 to DV, versus converting it from hi8 to composite (which is a lossy step in the process) and then converting to DV. Even a low end camera will give you a better picture than doing it through an eyeTV, just because of having a middle step to the conversion.
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>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Alan Maupin <alan.maupin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've also used a Sony Digital 8 to do in camera digitization of an previously recorded analog HI-8 tapes.   But, since the tape itself was recorded in analog format, the video on the tape is  only be as good as the original medium regardless of where the digitization now takes place, whether its inside the camera as you outlined or at another source from the RCA out jacks on the original Hi-8 camera.   Personally I would not recommend purchasing a Digital 8 camera since it was pretty much the low end of the spectrum for digital video cameras in comparison to DV.  Unless the individual has a large library of Hi-8 tapes they wish to record and do not own a Hi-8 camera with RCA video out jacks.  
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>> 
>>> What you need is a Sony DCRTRV460. They were the last digital8 camcorder that allowed analog to digital conversion, like you want. There is one on ebay right now for $150 + shipping. I used this for exactly this purpose at Great Ape Trust.
>>> 
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-Sony-DCR-TRV460-Digital-8-Hi8-Handycam-Camcorder-_W0QQitemZ310182661719QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091118?IMSfp=TL091118186008r13804
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>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeremy Geerdes <jrgeerdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You might check out theJeremy R. Geerde
>>>  EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250. According to
>>> Elgato's website, they support composite input. Even if they don't,
>>> though, you should be able to route the composite signal from the
>>> camera through a VCR to the thing via coax, etc. Elgato's video
>>> capture software consistently receives positive reviews as well. Plus,
>>> at the end of the day, you'll be able to watch HDTV on your Mac. Costs
>>> range up from $150.
>>> 
>>> Elgato also makes a device simply for capturing analog video, the
>>> Video Capture. It's only $99.
>>> 
>>> Here are the relevant product pages:
>>> 
>>> EyeTV Hybrid ($150): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/hybrid09/product1.en.html
>>> EyeTV 250 ($200): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/250plus/product1.en.html
>>> Video Capture ($100): http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/Video-Capture/product1.en.html
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>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Alan,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the info. He can't afford to spend a lot so there are
>>> > limits on what he will do. I'll talk to him about this.
>>> >
>>> > Ray
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 17, 2009, at Nov 17, 20099:18 AM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Ray,
>>> >>
>>> >> The device is a Sony PD170 Video Camera with analog inputs to
>>> >> firewire transcode.  The camera was about 4k new, not sure what its
>>> >> going for now.  Essentially, you plug the analog output RCA jacks
>>> >> from the HI-8 camera into the Sony PD170.  Then run the firewire
>>> >> cable to a Mac or PC with a video capture program.  I use Final Cut
>>> >> Pro.  The Sony PD170 transcodes the HI-8 footage to digital using
>>> >> its high quality internal codec.  The video is captured to Final Cut
>>> >> Pro where it can be edited or converted to whatever format you are
>>> >> interested in.  Please give me a call if you are interested, at
>>> >> 515.867.4376.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> alan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Alan,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What is the name of the device? Where could he get one? How much
>>> >>> would
>>> >>> it cost?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ray
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at Nov 16, 200911:16 PM, Alan Maupin wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I have a device that will capture video from any analog source with
>>> >>>> RCA jack output.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ray Bowler wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> My son-in-law has an HI-8 video camera which has no USB output.
>>> >>>>> Output
>>> >>>>> seems to be a pair of audio-visual ports. I loaned him a Griffin
>>> >>>>> adapter which I used for importing my vinyl records but I doubt
>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>>> it will work. Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ray Bowler
>>> >>>>>
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