[DM-MUG] Entourage issue

[Jerry Heiselman]

Entourage does use https for hotmail communications. It is the one
exception to the standard protocols (well, that and Mapi which is used
to support Exchange communications and so is well used).

The https communication uses special web apis to fetch your mail as
opposed to actually just being a web browser showing a web page.

On 12/13/08, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
> Oh, whoops my bad.  No wonder I don't use hotmail.
>
> And that is if you are using entourage with hotmail, which I
> interpreted is not the case, as is clear in my reply (that they are
> using a web browser.)
>
> Finally, unless there is something special for hotmail, Entourage uses
> standard mail protocols (IMAP, POP, SMTP) for all connections but to
> an exchange server, none of which are http or https.
>
> --
> - Jon
> On Dec 13, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Jerry Heiselman wrote:
>
>> Well, you're half right.
>>
>> Entourage does use web apis to download copies of your mail from
>> hotmail/windows live mail and it does keep that information
>> synchronized, but the license agreement specifically states that
>> Microsoft is NOT responsible for backing up your email. The
>> responsibility lies with you and they cannot be held responsible for
>> loss of information.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On 12/13/08, Jon Thompson <jon at mac-consultant.com> wrote:
>>> Geoff,
>>>
>>> I assume if you are using hotmail, you are not actually using an
>>> application other than your web browser.  This means that all of your
>>> data is located on Microsoft's servers at all times, and you are just
>>> using a web browser to view it.  In that instance, there is no data
>>> on
>>> your computer at all, and it is Microsoft's responsibility to back it
>>> up and keep it safe.
>>>
>>> -- Jon
>>> On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Geoffrey Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jon,
>>>> What you say about entourage ...
>>>> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail.
>>>>> Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means
>>>>> that each backup takes the space of that file each time you backup.
>>>>> Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially out
>>>>> your data.
>>>>
>>>> I use MSN Hotmail - is that a same problem as you say about
>>>> entourage?
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>>> From: wjschoenenberger at qwest.net
>>>>> To: dmmug at dmmug.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Entourage issue
>>>>> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:16:55 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. The only reason I use Entourage is the work email server
>>>>> is
>>>>> Exchange. Home account is accessed via Mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> William Schoenenberger
>>>>> Des Moines, IA
>>>>> wjschoenenberger at qwest.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Jon Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no need to use a "supported" email program, and they
>>>> appear
>>>>>> to not support mac email clients at all. However, email is based
>>>> on
>>>>>> standards, meaning that you can use whatever client you are
>>>> familiar
>>>>>> with. Qwest even has setup pages for "unsupported" email
>>>> clients...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/email/entourage.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would recommend against entourage, and toward Apple mail.
>>>>>> Entourage stores all of your mail in one giant file, which means
>>>>>> that each backup takes the space of that file each time you
>>>> backup.
>>>>>> Plus if you have a corruption of that file, you are potentially
>>>> out
>>>>>> your data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple mail makes each email a separate file, so it is much less
>>>>>> likely to have a catastrophic failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Jon
>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:08 PM, William Schoenenberger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use Entourage and have DSL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DSL does not care what email program you use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William
>>>>>>> William Schoenenberger
>>>>>>> Des Moines, IA
>>>>>>> wjschoenenberger at qwest.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, treeguy at crosspaths.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just switched to Qwest DSL. I just learned that Qwest does not
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>> the above email program. Is there a simple tweak that will
>>>> make them
>>>>>>>> friendly or do I need to purchase Outlook Express 6 for the Mac
>>>>>>>> (10.4.11)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug Blakely
>>>>>>>>
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>> Jerry
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Jerry