From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 1 01:10:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:10:16 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] CRC check Message-ID: <1e5.34981489.2f3030f8@aol.com> --part1_1e5.34981489.2f3030f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Chris. Stan >The Cyclic Redundancy Check is just a bit of validation that failed for >that particular file. There should be no harm in opening it if you can, >though it could potentially crash your image viewer. If you are able to >open it, try resaving it to fix the CRC problem. >Cheers, >Chris --------------------------- --part1_1e5.34981489.2f3030f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Chris.    &= nbsp;   Stan


>The Cyclic Redundancy Check is just a bit of validation that failed for<= BR> >that particular file. There should be no harm in opening it if you can,<= BR> >though it could potentially crash your image viewer. If you are able to<= BR> >open it, try resaving it to fix the CRC problem.


>Cheers,
>Chris

--------------------------- --part1_1e5.34981489.2f3030f8_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 1 16:50:22 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:50:22 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? Message-ID: I have a Canon EOS Digital Rebel camera that works well generally but the other day had an E-99 error code. Was using a Canon lens, so know that was not the culprit (had problem before with Tamron lens but have avoided using it since then). I need the camera to go out of town in about a month or so and my warranty covers annual cleaning and also repair = can do it locally if estimate is reasonable. Where would I go to get a good, solid, well done repair/cleaning and check over?? Thanks for any help, as i wasn't sure where else to ask. Locally at least. -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 02:52:34 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:52:34 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? Message-ID: <1a7.307e7ed3.2f319a72@aol.com> --part1_1a7.307e7ed3.2f319a72_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Victoria-- I would recommend checking with Alexander's Photo. Steve Alexander is a very knowledgeable fellow and although I don't think he does much repair himself or has people at his place of business that do, I'm sure he can help you find someone who can. At least he has for me and I have been very satisfied. He is located in Des Moines at 3313 Ingersoll, 288-6888. Hope he can help. Stan Murdock --part1_1a7.307e7ed3.2f319a72_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victoria--

I would recommend checking with Alexander's Photo.  Steve Alexander is= a very knowledgeable fellow and although I don't think he does much repair=20= himself or has people at his place of business that do, I'm sure he can help= you find someone who can.  At least he has for me and I have been ver= y satisfied.  He is located in Des Moines at 3313 Ingersoll, 288-6888.= Hope he can help.

Stan Murdock --part1_1a7.307e7ed3.2f319a72_boundary-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 03:48:51 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:48:51 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A58EED2-74CD-11D9-9928-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I have a Canon EOS Digital Rebel camera that works well generally but > the other day had an E-99 error code. Was using a Canon lens, so know > that was not the culprit (had problem before with Tamron lens but have > avoided using it since then). I need the camera to go out of town in > about a month or so and my warranty covers annual cleaning and also > repair = can do it locally if estimate is reasonable. Where would I > go to get a good, solid, well done repair/cleaning and check over?? > Thanks for any help, as i wasn't sure where else to ask. Locally at > least. > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa - Owner, > http://www.JourneyZing.com - and Attorney at Law, > http://www.herringlaw.com. iChat AV: victoriaherring [@mac.com]. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > I believe Haddock Computer, which hosted the MUG meeting in January, is a Canon dealer. Don't know if they service them directly, but can't hurt to ask them: (515) 225-9040. I know at least one of their staff is on this mailing list so perhaps they'll respond with further info for you. - Bill Davis From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 04:16:41 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:16:41 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? In-Reply-To: <1a7.307e7ed3.2f319a72@aol.com> References: <1a7.307e7ed3.2f319a72@aol.com> Message-ID: --============_-1104804679==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Victoria-- > >I would recommend checking with Alexander's Photo. Steve Alexander >is a very knowledgeable fellow and although I don't think he does >much repair himself or has people at his place of business that do, >I'm sure he can help you find someone who can. At least he has for >me and I have been very satisfied. He is located in Des Moines at >3313 Ingersoll, 288-6888. Hope he can help. > >Stan Murdock Good suggestion = I did visit with Steve who checked over the camera and even called their repair place (no one in DSM does it anymore) - who walked thru some basic checks == ultimate sugg. was to send back to Canon for warranty repair etc....very good to deal with and helpful...good info and thanks. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. --============_-1104804679==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair per
Victoria--

I would recommend checking with Alexander's Photo.  Steve Alexander is a very knowledgeable fellow and although I don't think he does much repair himself or has people at his place of business that do, I'm sure he can help you find someone who can.  At least he has for me and I have been very satisfied.  He is located in Des Moines at 3313 Ingersoll, 288-6888. Hope he can help.

Stan Murdock

Good suggestion = I did visit with Steve who checked over the camera and even called their repair place (no one in DSM does it anymore) - who walked thru some basic checks == ultimate sugg. was to send back to Canon for warranty repair etc....very good to deal with and helpful...good info and thanks.

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Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com;  Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.
--============_-1104804679==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 04:26:32 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Turnage) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:26:32 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 2/1/05 10:50 AM, Victoria L. Herring at vlherring@herringlaw.com wrote: > I have a Canon EOS Digital Rebel camera that works well generally but > the other day had an E-99 error code. Was using a Canon lens, so > know that was not the culprit (had problem before with Tamron lens > but have avoided using it since then). I need the camera to go out > of town in about a month or so and my warranty covers annual cleaning > and also repair = can do it locally if estimate is reasonable. Where > would I go to get a good, solid, well done repair/cleaning and check > over?? Thanks for any help, as i wasn't sure where else to ask. > Locally at least. Vicky, I purchased my gear at Christian Photo and have been very pleased with their service after the sale. They are a Canon dealer and would treat you well. Working photographers own the store. They have offered workshops in house and are very helpful to the novice as well as the pro. Check them out on Douglas Avenue. Have you tried the new 28-300 zoom lens with your digital Rebel? John From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 13:00:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:00:15 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >I purchased my gear at Christian Photo and have been very pleased with their >service after the sale. They are a Canon dealer and would treat you well. >Working photographers own the store. They have offered workshops in house >and are very helpful to the novice as well as the pro. Check them out on >Douglas Avenue. > >Have you tried the new 28-300 zoom lens with your digital Rebel? > >John I also have found Christian quite good too...so I'll also keep in touch with them. I have not yet tried the new lens = I have the 18-55, a longer 300m one that I don't use much, and a midrange one (28-100+??) -- the new one though might hit that sweetspot = assuming it's also the sweetspot in our wallet, right? -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 14:29:02 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:29:02 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: for some reason Eudora won't let this go out to DMMUG...can you forward? Message-ID: <0e7cbf626bda12e0ff2a6d821d1726f2@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-1-198324287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Begin forwarded message: > From: "Victoria L. Herring" > Date: February 1, 2005 7:43:40 PM CST > To: president@dmmug.org > Subject: for some reason Eudora won't let this go out to DMMUG...can > you forward? > >> from another list == >> >> Microsoft's Virtual PC software has some new competition from Dublin, >> Ireland-based Lismore Software Systems Inc. Lismore on Tuesday >> announced the >> release of Guest PC 1.0, a new PC emulation software for Mac OS X >> (news - >> web sites). The application emulates the inner workings of a >> PC-compatible >> computer, enabling Mac users to run software that's not compatible >> with >> their native operating system. Lismore is a veteran of the PC >> emulation >> market on the Macintosh; the company previously released Blue Label >> PowerEmulator, a PC emulator for Mac OS 9 and earlier operating >> systems >> that's been around since the late 1990s. >> >> Guest PC doesn't ship with any version of Windows pre-installed. >> Instead, it >> comes pre-loaded with DOS and a "Windows Setup Assistant," and is >> ready for >> you to install your own copy of Microsoft Windows with it. Microsoft >> sells >> an equivalent version of Virtual PC for Mac, though it charges US$60 >> more >> than Lismore's $69.99 product. > > [snip] > >> >> Lismore makes Guest PC 1.0 available for online purchase, and users of >> Lismore's Blue Label PowerEmulator can upgrade for US$34.99. System >> requirements call for Mac OS X v10.3 or later; G3, G4 or G5-class >> processor; >> 2GB hard disk space, 256MB RAM, 1024 x 768 display, CD or DVD drive, >> keyboard and mouse. >> >> Nathan B. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Victoria, For Canon Camera (all digital camera repairs for that matter) repairs they need to be sent into the manufacturer. Canon is really good about performing repairs and are pretty reasonable. If you need the contact information or need help sending it in please let me know. Thanks, Alan On 2/1/05 10:50 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > I have a Canon EOS Digital Rebel camera that works well generally but > the other day had an E-99 error code. Was using a Canon lens, so > know that was not the culprit (had problem before with Tamron lens > but have avoided using it since then). I need the camera to go out > of town in about a month or so and my warranty covers annual cleaning > and also repair =3D can do it locally if estimate is reasonable. Where > would I go to get a good, solid, well done repair/cleaning and check > over?? Thanks for any help, as i wasn't sure where else to ask. > Locally at least. =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 2 15:40:53 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:40:53 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Victoria, > >For Canon Camera (all digital camera repairs for that matter) repairs they >need to be sent into the manufacturer. Canon is really good about >performing repairs and are pretty reasonable. If you need the contact >information or need help sending it in please let me know. > >Thanks, >Alan Thanks for the usual helpful info Alan = unf. Canon warranty was out = but I had [wisely] purchased external 4 yr warranty and it'll handle it...appreciate the help. I do like Canon products and so look forward to the work being done well... -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 3 02:11:49 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Travis L Ballstadt) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:11:49 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Recommendations for in-Iowa camera repair person? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <519dd0a4791e8d74b273cc55125fabb8@thrillcatproductions.com> --Apple-Mail-1-240491011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One more, slightly different Canon note... I had a Canon XL1s dv camera a few years back, had bought it brand new, and had a tape transport issue. I sent it back to Canon's repair department, and had it back literally two days later, no charge. Granted it was still under the original warranty, but still, two days is a great turnaround. ----- Travis Ballstadt tb@thrillcatproductions.com 515.277.4115 home 515.313.1971 mobile http://www.thrillcatproductions.com --Apple-Mail-1-240491011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII One more, slightly different Canon note... I had a Canon XL1s dv camera a few years back, had bought it brand new, and had a tape transport issue. I sent it back to Canon's repair department, and had it back literally two days later, no charge. Granted it was still under the original warranty, but still, two days is a great turnaround. Helvetica----- Travis Ballstadt tb@thrillcatproductions.com 515.277.4115 home 515.313.1971 mobile http://www.thrillcatproductions.com --Apple-Mail-1-240491011-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 4 03:57:53 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:57:53 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-3-333255027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nothing more got brought up here, but I'd like to actually discuss this: What do you folks think? Should we think about "moving" to Haddock? Sounds like it was a real hit this last time. On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Alan Hansen wrote: > I wanted to let you know that you were very welcome and we would > love to host the meeting every month if you would like! -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org --Apple-Mail-3-333255027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxW0zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE5MDQwNzE3WhcNMDUwNTE5MDQwNzE3WjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA4dlEhForYdyTEvpFP2AMjmwy22e35Tn7 CuEST9SW9ozEAJ4LRtV+X86AJ6VpXX+VLUUBDmLevUwedne5/QFTMXt8lABu4p10VrKMp3Cud6ZE j3HtpdcwujHwnHTnx914uO42ItJ1k3NBoKffmomei4uyq9ehwzZxyaCPX6yr5qVIFuU8wORPULkY Zi0tYG2SitZ+LKwFktakNJPmeSgcPw3C7LTUfKOOiUIIP9h8+6D1D7ecYqqLO2tHmfrnz5oIv23N l2AnfUvvZq6h9IKwSA6a68uw9xNBhMVYmW67QqFs0IxeaO4uOfdT80ArXE/DSfaYjevTn0JdksJn C/iV4wIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAr6KcHMkzvzTuzGu/XdDGPoDvCR2IH7UsBM5afHO7qCtmMFg7mmOM oFidafRPmbp5psc3iDPbhYs6BpjaVy3He1CTVnaWNSDt6hpnoHVds5V9sVBUXs/EtsT33vqBMbUG 0zMwgoTeOJlFm1kTL/2th4eD8j/bGj3pnx8R6Qae4ckwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxW0zAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNTAyMDQwMzU3NTRaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBTN5t3Tik267P5r 3mB4sVb9dzb8lDB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFbTMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxW0zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBDsuNoT7eai3yv uGYx5f6Q9cEj/d7yHjzdG2+SC9oOKaWMDPd6y+wvlUHJwn+TBd4jvGLRHWsC9A/JDKUxC5uw6Z2V 4Xo39dnWeQSCbIg4k03ETCAE0W8JaK4xXqBFR7kb8rgD63uso9ukUn8ZgT8LTYPyk3Q/7ZB7TMHP zFJT7PQQXZXggXQF+5MED57aJvb9j3D8XINb4b2+b4nMPucPu9TCkV/M3eDETqCi0SbzrmdBclEO FSLBHcIUOmITvQpM+XvW+IXofEFCSd5esh3Jl9n4Z5PPplbJYGgf6Q9oia2zZNFVWTRiKE8vFk1S NhYmrj7gvSpiOuqHqjBRlfNHAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-3-333255027-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 4 05:06:03 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:06:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> References: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> Message-ID: <7f5fb42d9ea7089f6404d7084ee97f41@mac.com> My vote is a definite yes. The place is smaller, but there is wireless=20= there for us, and we aren't surrounded by a bunch of Windows boxes. my 2=A2 -bailey On Feb 3, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > Nothing more got brought up here, but I'd like to actually discuss=20 > this: > What do you folks think? Should we think about "moving" to Haddock? > > Sounds like it was a real hit this last time. > > On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Alan Hansen wrote: >> I wanted to let you know that you were very welcome and we would >> love to host the meeting every month if you would like! > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 4 05:23:02 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:23:02 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <7f5fb42d9ea7089f6404d7084ee97f41@mac.com> References: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> <7f5fb42d9ea7089f6404d7084ee97f41@mac.com> Message-ID: Setting is more intimate at Haddock (which is probably better) and=20 though there is less overall space per person, there is more room for=20 people. That's why they make laptops, right? Can't go wrong with a true Mac shop. Matthew On Feb 3, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > My vote is a definite yes. The place is smaller, but there is wireless=20= > there for us, and we aren't surrounded by a bunch of Windows boxes. > > my 2=A2 > > -bailey > > > On Feb 3, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > >> Nothing more got brought up here, but I'd like to actually discuss=20 >> this: >> What do you folks think? Should we think about "moving" to Haddock? >> >> Sounds like it was a real hit this last time. >> >> On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Alan Hansen wrote: >>> I wanted to let you know that you were very welcome and we would >>> love to host the meeting every month if you would like! >> -- >> Bryan Baker >> President >> Des Moines Macintosh Users Group >> http://www.dmmug.org >> president@dmmug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 4 07:06:42 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 01:06:42 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> References: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> Message-ID: <5280E568-767B-11D9-A343-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> I'm not an "official" member of DM-MUG (yet), but I vote for Haddock. It's good to see an non-chain Apple store again, and I'd like to support them. I haven't attended a meeting at CompUSA in many years, so maybe I'm being unfair, but I know that their Apple store-within-a-store seems to be unstaffed almost every time I'm there. I'd rather support someplace where the staff is enthusiastic about Apple, like Haddock. Also, I'm a bit "fond" of the location Haddock chose; my first Apple-related job was just upstairs from their location (yes, that building does have suites upstairs!) and I bought my first Mac in 1984 at Computer Emporium, located in the big "A" frame a few doors down from Haddock. And I held the first meeting of the first MUG in Des Moines in that building, too, back in '84. So I guess I'm not unbiased about wanting to meet there! It's nostalgic, in a big way! But if enough folks prefer CompUSA...why not just switch back and forth? One month CompUSA, one month Haddock, assuming they're both amenable. (Pity the Apple Store here doesn't have a classroom like some do....) - Bill Davis On Feb 3, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > Nothing more got brought up here, but I'd like to actually discuss > this: > What do you folks think? Should we think about "moving" to Haddock? > > Sounds like it was a real hit this last time. > > On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Alan Hansen wrote: >> I wanted to let you know that you were very welcome and we would >> love to host the meeting every month if you would like! > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 4 13:05:54 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:05:54 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: References: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> <7f5fb42d9ea7089f6404d7084ee97f41@mac.com> Message-ID: Definitely a yes from me. The people at Haddock want us. The feeling is friendly--they even make a point of wanting us to use their wireless access. At 11:23 PM -0600 on 2/3/05, Matt W wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location: >Setting is more intimate at Haddock (which is probably better) and >though there is less overall space per person, there is more room >for people. That's why they make laptops, right? > >Can't go wrong with a true Mac shop. > >Matthew > >On Feb 3, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > >>My vote is a definite yes. The place is smaller, but there is >>wireless there for us, and we aren't surrounded by a bunch of >>Windows boxes. >> >>my 2¢ >> >>-bailey >> >> >>On Feb 3, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: >> >>>Nothing more got brought up here, but I'd like to actually discuss this: >>>What do you folks think? Should we think about "moving" to Haddock? >>> >>>Sounds like it was a real hit this last time. >>> >>>On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Alan Hansen wrote: >>>>I wanted to let you know that you were very welcome and we would >>>>love to host the meeting every month if you would like! >>>-- >>>Bryan Baker >>>President >>>Des Moines Macintosh Users Group >>>http://www.dmmug.org >>>president@dmmug.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Dmmug mailing list >>Dmmug@dmmug.org >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Dmmug@dmmug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 4 15:21:59 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:21:59 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <5280E568-767B-11D9-A343-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> References: <41ed603778979537f2c381e6986f001d@mac.com> <5280E568-767B-11D9-A343-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> Message-ID: With respect to CompUSA, I think it's important to remember that, for all their faults, they were the only visible source of Macintosh for a few years there. I also have found David to be very knowledgeable & helpful, but agree that it's a problem that he can only be there forty hours or so in a long retail week. That said, I think the people at Haddock are great and the location is centrally located just off I-235. What's not to like? Let's not forget our old friend at CompUSA, but I think it's a great idea to visit our new friends at Haddock for future meetings. John PS- Does Haddock have Minis and/or Shuffles yet? From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Feb 5 01:53:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:53:15 EST Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location Message-ID: <9e.1f7675e5.2f35810b@aol.com> PLEASE REMOVE OUR NAME FROM MAILING LIST FOR MUG. HOWARD From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Feb 5 02:04:03 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:04:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <9e.1f7675e5.2f35810b@aol.com> Message-ID: I didn't think it was that bad. :) On 2/4/05 7:53 PM, "Howandflo@aol.com" wrote: > PLEASE REMOVE OUR NAME FROM MAILING LIST FOR MUG. HOWARD > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Feb 5 22:56:03 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:56:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Subscriptions In-Reply-To: <9e.1f7675e5.2f35810b@aol.com> References: <9e.1f7675e5.2f35810b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3e5c6882ca8a0208f68d83d943ffb098@mac.com> You can do it yourself by clicking on the link that's at the bottom of every email this list sends out. http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see: " To change your subscription (set options like digest and delivery modes, get a reminder of your password, or unsubscribe from Dmmug), enter your subscription email address" Follow those instructions. On Feb 4, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Howandflo@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE REMOVE OUR NAME FROM MAILING LIST FOR MUG. HOWARD > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 6 20:16:50 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (tcweeks) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:16:50 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] ADB Mouse Availability Message-ID: <42067B2B.BE3EC6F9@qwest.net> Hello: I am a new member who is looking to upgrade to a cool new Mac from the new Apple Store. In the meantime however, I'm running an old G3 running OS 8.5. My mouse recently died (I've tried to clean it to no avail) and I'm currently using a borrowed mouse from my Uncle....but he wants it back. Would any dmmug person have an old ADB standard mouse from an old computer they weren't using that they no longer want? I contacted your president, Bryan, who suggested I pose this question to the group. Thanks for taking pity on an old Mac user! Theresa Weeks From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 7 02:40:33 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:40:33 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] ADB Mouse Availability In-Reply-To: <42067B2B.BE3EC6F9@qwest.net> Message-ID: I have ADB mice coming out my ears. Does $5 plus shipping sound fair? Contact me off-list as below. Peace, CW On 2/6/05 2:16 PM, "tcweeks" wrote: > Hello: > > I am a new member who is looking to upgrade to a cool new Mac from the > new Apple Store. In the meantime however, I'm running an old G3 running > OS 8.5. My mouse recently died (I've tried to clean it to no avail) and > I'm currently using a borrowed mouse from my Uncle....but he wants it > back. Would any dmmug person have an old ADB standard mouse from an old > computer they weren't using that they no longer want? I contacted your > president, Bryan, who suggested I pose this question to the group. > Thanks for taking pity on an old Mac user! > Theresa Weeks > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio/Video technician Windows/Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 7 07:18:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:18:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] ADB Mouse Availability In-Reply-To: <42067B2B.BE3EC6F9@qwest.net> References: <42067B2B.BE3EC6F9@qwest.net> Message-ID: <6958EF99-78D8-11D9-833E-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> I've got a bunch of old ADB mice and keyboards (and Macs). You're welcome to one. Give me a call at 270-6729 Monday night to arrange how to get it to you. - Bill Davis On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:16 PM, tcweeks wrote: > Hello: > > I am a new member who is looking to upgrade to a cool new Mac from the > new Apple Store. In the meantime however, I'm running an old G3 running > OS 8.5. My mouse recently died (I've tried to clean it to no avail) and > I'm currently using a borrowed mouse from my Uncle....but he wants it > back. Would any dmmug person have an old ADB standard mouse from an old > computer they weren't using that they no longer want? I contacted your > president, Bryan, who suggested I pose this question to the group. > Thanks for taking pity on an old Mac user! > Theresa Weeks > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 7 16:24:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:24:16 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] ADB Mouse Availability Message-ID: <020720051624.13911.461d@mchsi.com> Say, are you the Bill Davis formerly of CE Software? If so, you may remember me in QA when you were there. Best wishes, Chris Tyrrell > I've got a bunch of old ADB mice and keyboards (and Macs). You're > welcome to one. Give me a call at 270-6729 Monday night to arrange how > to get it to you. > > - Bill Davis > > > On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:16 PM, tcweeks wrote: > > > Hello: > > > > I am a new member who is looking to upgrade to a cool new Mac from the > > new Apple Store. In the meantime however, I'm running an old G3 running > > OS 8.5. My mouse recently died (I've tried to clean it to no avail) and > > I'm currently using a borrowed mouse from my Uncle....but he wants it > > back. Would any dmmug person have an old ADB standard mouse from an old > > computer they weren't using that they no longer want? I contacted your > > president, Bryan, who suggested I pose this question to the group. > > Thanks for taking pity on an old Mac user! > > Theresa Weeks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dmmug mailing list > > Dmmug@dmmug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 7 20:13:31 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:13:31 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] New exploit published today - affects Safari and Mozilla Message-ID: <6efac00fcd505ca66636464a1cc3f859@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-9-650993399 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thought I'd give a heads up that an exploit (mentioned today on Slashdot): "East coast hacker con Shmoocon ended today and they had a nasty browser exploit to show off... using International Domain Name (IDN) character support to display fake domain names in links and the address bar. Their examples use Paypal (with SSL too) and this looks very useful for phishing attacks. Interesting note that it works in every browser *except* IE (which makes this exploit a lot less dangerous in the end, I suppose). The reason IE isn't vulnerable is because it doesn't natively support IDN; with the right plug-in, it too is vulnerable. " http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/ 1323206&tid=172&tid=113&tid=154&tid=95&tid=1 http://www.shmoo.com/idn/ So, be even more cautious than usual when dealing with email asking for anything sensitive. As of yet, Apple had no response, in Mozilla based browsers it's possible to at least disable the behavior that allows this. -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org --Apple-Mail-9-650993399 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE4MjIxNTAxWhcNMDUwNTE4MjIxNTAxWjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAuyTYo4QvaEigXA56XKB1W4FeJiLmE+Ff gTHKohqxmbT2Xw/9csCJNZ8uXO/xWZhyhKnurH0Mhlh9ZmA6KfUT/h3dazjFDS4NoOwWWCltLP7q Wl+S8Gm3p7TEgw87Jc2Squ+UZL8y03yV/xoSU/HzJGPAlU/anWavlnJCzZlkY/ahicGqDvJJVXBf qHiiEGeGkubs5sAB5MCLMhE6iKD7L7cdKL71RF89UsnTAqD11ZpvmtRcwPGdP31C2GmH7e74dUdX s4G1TM5mTczzb57Po7cTTAgE1AAdFh5XVUeB0QctIv5QfgWueaayD3WSI6tmb8r8KsRlI37Tho4f 4Mg4FQIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAlS7gkNLRhyPGw1XnwdIpNqfHx2nctR5DZZyHAMdsE2lsmtBaZkuY ogZnMHoV9YJCdWx6m95LUziIqTUbBcoEnGwDTxhfEBh6iAJQ7pJgHKzYkynSznacm0eAy2EeTO0X nadcKenL0nhcN5nj5vi2MfYpXzL1VxfF4ZNmzOsoocwwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNTAyMDcyMDEzMzJaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBT2BNxnkOi3u3jy FLXPsduti/EQnzB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFaCMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBtAaUE/Ng+Y3Bq IiivvQVnot9FByL0NcN8C465yijp9to0J+d/IV0OTDfPYR3KuCM2oJ0Zo6Tyt2Qed6MBHU/40tGV ZkijvXMUo3ZVogQC8/jqz2YwrT2Snq8WkmZP3wVpXw9awHLdbjC0SjS7lerCPeEfv3bTdvKlQeD6 51aTGzYxlSGTSbq2Q+38yL6SgM1naUhG6z8Gd6eM1raI1vKDQwo5IvzXruCQsUFPQW7X/V3xvoyE YafVLwcZNVOEpIp7DMhISS7P3q+/B1FYLEMs9mlhXVwwJWA3016DLp5INSSLhYzMXAScOsEk0vz+ AJFT2kYpaoEbyuevhr+QVQzMAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-9-650993399-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 8 20:43:47 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:43:47 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: AUG Quick Bytes - February 8, 2004 - A Special Invitation from CompUSA Message-ID: <06cffeb0d9bf86e6370f99f22e285cfe@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-12-739209715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed CompUSA is having another shindig for us - this time at a more human hour. Begin forwarded message: > From: Apple User Group Relations > Date: February 8, 2005 1:27:28 PM CST > To: augb@lists.apple.com > Subject: AUG Quick Bytes - February 8, 2004 - A Special Invitation > from CompUSA > > AUG Quick Bytes - February 8, 2004 > ..................................................................... > > A Special Invitation from CompUSA > > CompUSA is hosting a special event just for Apple users. Swing by any > CompUSA location in the U.S. and check out some of the latest > products, including iLife '05, iWork '05 and iPod shuffle. You might > even be able to catch a glimpse of the Mac mini before it flies off > the shelves. See some great Macworld Expo video footage and get a > chance to win some cool prizes. Don't miss out on some cool in-store > promos from Adobe, Brenthaven, FileMaker, HP, Intuit and Microsoft. > > Thursday February 24 4-9 p.m. > > Get more info and find your nearest location. > http://seminars.apple.com/compusa/appleusersevent/1.html > > --- > > Apple User Group Quick Bytes Get involved. Join a user group near you. > http://www.apple.com/usergroups/ > > ..................................................................... > > Information about third-party offers and promotions was provided to > Apple by the third party; Apple is providing this information as a > courtesy and makes no representations and disclaims any liability > regarding offers and promotions. Please direct questions about an > offer or promotion directly to the appropriate third party. > > Copyright 2005 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved. Apple permits > reproduction of the contents of AUG Quick Bytes for publicity and > promotional purposes. > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. 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Message-ID: <9485af50f7b9f74ab0f63dddf2419613@earthlink.net> Matthew From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 9 20:16:32 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:16:32 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Argument against Napster To Go Subscription In-Reply-To: <300e94b3354dacdc84407b703bf6adb2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Buying is always better than renting. On 2/9/05 2:13 PM, "Matt W" wrote: > If anyone has had a problem *selling* someone on iTunes, or just trying > to get them to realize the foolishness (IMO) of a business model based > upon music subscription targeted at the average consumer, this is a > link you need to read: > > > > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 9 20:50:42 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:50:42 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Argument against Napster To Go Subscription In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70d905820dcb675fda434da6b0bec565@spymac.com> No kidding! Still, Napster is using all the marketing tricks to steer the consumer's mind away from figuring that out with their flashing of psychologically sensitive words like *only the price of a CD per month* and *with iTunes, it costs $10,000 to fill an iPod*. I love the blog author's mentioning that most people already have CDs, and fill their iPods up with THAT content, something already paid for, and then OPTIONALLY supplement it with purchased music. That was completely the situation with me. I buy full albums on CD, and singles on iTMS. db On Feb 9, 2005, at 2:16 PM, jim lagnese wrote: Buying is always better than renting. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 02:28:51 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:28:51 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] It has started... In-Reply-To: <9485af50f7b9f74ab0f63dddf2419613@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hey Matt -- This link seems to be dead. Can you try again? Peace, CW On 2/9/05 2:14 PM, "Matt W" wrote: > Plasticsmith_Announces_Mac_mini_Accessories.html> > Matthew > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio/Video technician Windows/Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 02:49:25 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Kevin Gogerty) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:49:25 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] It has started... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8a93569702a4eea33302bbcd07c01e3a@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-1-847546221 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed what would be perfect is a 6.5x6.5x.5 usb/firewire hub in front to=20 plug in your iPod shuffle and camcorder. Since I have ordered MY mini=20= and plan to run it to my 46 inch big screen via DVI to HDMI. 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Hey Matt -- > > This link seems to be dead. Can you try again? > > Peace, > CW > > On 2/9/05 2:14 PM, "Matt W" wrote: > >> > Plasticsmith_Announces_Mac_mini_Accessories.html> >> Matthew >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > > -- > > Curt (CW) Smith > Musician > Audio/Video technician > Windows/Macintosh consultant > > 705 Maple Street > Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA > > Phone: (712) 243-1200 > Mobile: (515) 554-5080 > > cwsmith@mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug --Apple-Mail-1-847546221-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 04:05:06 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:05:06 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] It has started... In-Reply-To: <8a93569702a4eea33302bbcd07c01e3a@mac.com> References: <8a93569702a4eea33302bbcd07c01e3a@mac.com> Message-ID: <02a6b86f869b5e6f42371bf1a1159e70@earthlink.net> The link is okay, just reconnect the split and don't add any spaces...=20= it's all one link. There are already "Mini-skins" though I couldn't tell you where I saw=20 them. They're just peel-and stick pictures for the top. I used to sell short FireWire cables that were about 6-8 inches long.=20 They would have been nice to hang around the front. I'm sure you can=20 just about find each type of cable short enough to act as a pseudo-hub.=20= The power button still remains a problem, but perhaps it never shuts=20 down? You actually wouldn't want to shut it down if you had something=20 like EyeTV running. MW On Feb 9, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Kevin Gogerty wrote: > what would be perfect is a 6.5x6.5x.5 usb/firewire hub in front to=20 > plug in your iPod shuffle and camcorder. Since I have ordered MY mini=20= > and plan to run it to my 46 inch big screen via DVI to HDMI. It's=20 > going to be a pain is the #@! (insert your own word) to get behind the=20= > stereo anytime I want to connect my stuff. > > Like the mini skirt only with built-in hub. =96=A0what's next = "Mini-Skins" > > Kevin > > > > On Feb 9, 2005, at 8:28 PM, CW Smith wrote: > >> Hey Matt -- >> >> This link seems to be dead. Can you try again? >> >> Peace, >> CW >> >> On 2/9/05 2:14 PM, "Matt W" wrote: >> >>> >> Plasticsmith_Announces_Mac_mini_Accessories.html> >>> Matthew >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> >> >> --=20 >> >> Curt (CW) Smith >> Musician >> Audio/Video technician >> Windows/Macintosh consultant >> >> 705 Maple Street >> Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA >> >> Phone: (712) 243-1200 >> Mobile: (515) 554-5080 >> >> cwsmith@mchsi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 16:22:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:22:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Hardware Test Disk for iMac Ge 17" round base...[2004] Message-ID: I cannot find my Apple Hardware Test Disk for this machine and need to run hardware tests on it [display blanking to black and AppleCare sugg. I do so] - I asked and the info is not on the web. Does anyone have an extra copy I can borrow? I don;t want to schlep out the machine to Apple unless i need to. Thanks. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 17:11:59 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:11:59 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Hardware Test Disk for iMac Ge 17" round base...[2004] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why don't you bring it down to our store? There's parking out front and you won't have to trudge through a mall. Jim --=20 =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to jim@gohaddock.com Jim Lagnese ACSA Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 efax (909) 752-8021 (515) 321-7301 Cell AIM/iChat:macmanlag Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards On 2/10/05 10:22 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote= : > I cannot find my Apple Hardware Test Disk for this machine and need > to run hardware tests on it [display blanking to black and AppleCare > sugg. I do so] - I asked and the info is not on the web. Does anyone > have an extra copy I can borrow? I don;t want to schlep out the > machine to Apple unless i need to. Thanks. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 17:15:55 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:15:55 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Hardware Test Disk for iMac Ge 17" round base...[2004] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Why don't you bring it down to our store? There's parking out front and you >won't have to trudge through a mall. >Jim Jim, glad to do that but I would prefer not to bring it anywhere = if it's okay under the hardware test [per the applecare guy] then no problemo...I am trying to avoid lugging anything around...much less my main office machine. Even if I do backups. But i'll keep you in mind if AppleCare tells me a repair is warranted. Thanks. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 17:25:38 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:25:38 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Hardware Test Disk for iMac Ge 17" round base...[2004] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We do make house calls too. On 2/10/05 11:15 AM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: >> Why don't you bring it down to our store? There's parking out front and you >> won't have to trudge through a mall. >> Jim > > Jim, glad to do that but I would prefer not to bring it anywhere = if > it's okay under the hardware test [per the applecare guy] then no > problemo...I am trying to avoid lugging anything around...much less > my main office machine. Even if I do backups. But i'll keep you in > mind if AppleCare tells me a repair is warranted. Thanks. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 10 17:35:26 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:35:26 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Hardware Test Disk for iMac Ge 17" round base...[2004] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >We do make house calls too. Free of charge? After all, I'm trying to run the test to obviate the need for such. And I'm covered by Apple Care so I do not need to spend any money. Period. [tho the idea of house calls is great to know too and thanks for telling me that] -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 13 14:34:08 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:34:08 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] TimeManager/Time Slips replacement Message-ID: Thought this might be of interest to those here. MLB is based on Filemaker Pro so should be of interest to those already using that program. >The Mac Law billing program, due to be released in late April, will >import from Timeslips and include all the functionality of Timeslips. > >Michael Poulos > >>John McDaniel wrote >>I would like to know the impressions of those who have used TimeManager by >>Atlantic Associates as a replacement for Time Slips. Also, is anyone using > >another time/billing program that will import readily from Time Slips? > >MICHAEL D. POULOS, P.C. >Attorneys at Law >1724 Sherman Avenue >Evanston, Illinois 60201 >Telephone 847-492-9800 >Fax 847-492-9801 >E-mail Michael@PoulosLaw.com > >http://www.PoulosLaw.com -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 13 17:13:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tonnemacher) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:13:15 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Microsoft Access? Message-ID: <188fb408ccb0edebd93f358240caaa9b@mac.com> Is anybody aware of a macintosh software product capable of reading and writing Access databases? Of course my employer uses this product, and I do not have a windows machine at home. Any ideas? Doug & Joni From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 13 18:46:55 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:46:55 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Microsoft Access? In-Reply-To: <188fb408ccb0edebd93f358240caaa9b@mac.com> References: <188fb408ccb0edebd93f358240caaa9b@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Tonnemacher wrote: > Is anybody aware of a macintosh software product capable of reading > and writing Access databases? That would depend on what you want to do. If you merely want to get at the data, there are ODBC drivers that can read Access databases. However, if you want to use the forms and executable code contained within an Access database, you're out of luck. RealBasic might be able to import some code, but that wouldn't be a real solution. Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 13 21:34:01 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:34:01 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Fwd: Microsoft Access? Message-ID: >Access is a very complicated and some would say unwieldy database >program solely run on Windows. > >If the questioner really knows how to read and write Access databases, >she would not be likely to ask this question. > >Her best bet is either VPC or accessing a PC box with VNC, Timbuktu or >its equivalent. Of course that would mean installing and running a copy >of Access. > >Nate > >On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >>> Is anybody aware of a macintosh software product capable of reading >>> and writing Access databases? >>> >>> Of course my employer uses this product, and I do not have a windows >>> machine at home. >>> >>> Any ideas? >> > > from another list, in case someone here knows. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 13 21:43:53 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:43:53 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Fwd: Microsoft Access? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or they could run Remote Desktop Connection on the Mac. On 2/13/05 3:34 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: >> Access is a very complicated and some would say unwieldy database >> program solely run on Windows. >> >> If the questioner really knows how to read and write Access databases, >> she would not be likely to ask this question. >> >> Her best bet is either VPC or accessing a PC box with VNC, Timbuktu or >> its equivalent. Of course that would mean installing and running a copy >> of Access. >> >> Nate >> >> On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> >>>> Is anybody aware of a macintosh software product capable of reading >>>> and writing Access databases? >>>> >>>> Of course my employer uses this product, and I do not have a windows >>>> machine at home. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>> >>> from another list, in case someone here knows. From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 14 13:26:46 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:26:46 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Fwd: Microsoft Access? Message-ID: > >I'm not aware of anything like this when I searched a year or so ago. The >firm I was forming uses TrialWorks Jet, which is Access based. There was no >mac version of access, hence no mac version of TW. > >You might see if your employer would consider using a different database >such as MySQL. From what I understand it is possible to convert access to >SQL. from my MacLaw list... -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 15 03:30:50 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:30:50 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Fwd: Microsoft Access? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That won't really do it; you could convert the data tables, but not the data entry form, reports, queries, and Visual Basic for Applications program code, and if they are using an Access-based third-party product, then it certainly does involve entry forms and VBA code (or a standalone Windows program that reads Access .mdb data files) There really is no solution for converting or running Access databases like this on a Mac except using Virtual PC, Guest PC to run PC software on your Mac, or by using the free Remote Desktop Connection for Mac to connect to a physical PC. If the database in question uses JUST the data tables, however, then it could probably be converted to a cross-platform database such as FileMaker without much difficulty or time. (I program Microsoft Access databases and Visual BASIC programs for a living, by the way.) - Bill Davis On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:26 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> >> I'm not aware of anything like this when I searched a year or so ago. >> The >> firm I was forming uses TrialWorks Jet, which is Access based. There >> was no >> mac version of access, hence no mac version of TW. >> >> You might see if your employer would consider using a different >> database >> such as MySQL. From what I understand it is possible to convert >> access to >> SQL. > > from my MacLaw list... > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and > planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 15 03:44:54 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tonnemacher) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:54 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Fwd: Microsoft Access? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8664624.1108439094850.JavaMail.djtonnema02@mac.com> Thank you all for your insight. I was considering VPC, however I don't feel it is worth the $$ just for this little problem. I will make do without. Thank you again. Doug On Monday, February 14, 2005, at 09:31PM, Bill Davis wrote: >That won't really do it; you could convert the data tables, but not the >data entry form, reports, queries, and Visual Basic for Applications >program code, and if they are using an Access-based third-party >product, then it certainly does involve entry forms and VBA code (or a >standalone Windows program that reads Access .mdb data files) > >There really is no solution for converting or running Access databases >like this on a Mac except using Virtual PC, Guest PC to run PC software >on your Mac, or by using the free Remote Desktop Connection for Mac to >connect to a physical PC. > >If the database in question uses JUST the data tables, however, then it >could probably be converted to a cross-platform database such as >FileMaker without much difficulty or time. > >(I program Microsoft Access databases and Visual BASIC programs for a >living, by the way.) > > - Bill Davis > > > >On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:26 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >>> >>> I'm not aware of anything like this when I searched a year or so ago. >>> The >>> firm I was forming uses TrialWorks Jet, which is Access based. There >>> was no >>> mac version of access, hence no mac version of TW. >>> >>> You might see if your employer would consider using a different >>> database >>> such as MySQL. From what I understand it is possible to convert >>> access to >>> SQL. >> >> from my MacLaw list... >> -- >> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & >> Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and >> planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Dmmug@dmmug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > Doug Tonnemacher, 1st LT, CAP USAFA - Civil Air Patrol Professional Development Officer Des Moines Senior Squadron dtonnemacher@iawg.cap.gov 515 987-1154 From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 15 05:02:00 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:02:00 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Re: [MacLaw] Fwd: Microsoft Access? In-Reply-To: <8664624.1108439094850.JavaMail.djtonnema02@mac.com> References: <8664624.1108439094850.JavaMail.djtonnema02@mac.com> Message-ID: You're welcome. Wish we had a better answer for you (believe me!) Do remember that Remote Desktop Connection for Macintosh is FREE for download from the Microsoft web site. I use it regularly, and it's pretty good (can't complain for the price!) You do also have to have a version of Windows that supports turning on Remote Desktop Connection or Terminal Services support on the PC you're running the Access application on. (Depending on how many people you want to connect at one time, this part MAY cost you money. Your Windows system administrator will need to tell you if you already have what is necesary or not.) There is also an open-source PC emulator called Bochs, as I recall. Cheaper (but probably not as good/fast) as VPC. - Bill On Feb 14, 2005, at 9:44 PM, Tonnemacher wrote: > Thank you all for your insight. I was considering VPC, however I > don't feel it is worth the $$ just for this little problem. > > I will make do without. > > Thank you again. > > Doug > On Monday, February 14, 2005, at 09:31PM, Bill Davis > wrote: > >> That won't really do it; you could convert the data tables, but not >> the >> data entry form, reports, queries, and Visual Basic for Applications >> program code, and if they are using an Access-based third-party >> product, then it certainly does involve entry forms and VBA code (or a >> standalone Windows program that reads Access .mdb data files) >> >> There really is no solution for converting or running Access databases >> like this on a Mac except using Virtual PC, Guest PC to run PC >> software >> on your Mac, or by using the free Remote Desktop Connection for Mac to >> connect to a physical PC. >> >> If the database in question uses JUST the data tables, however, then >> it >> could probably be converted to a cross-platform database such as >> FileMaker without much difficulty or time. >> >> (I program Microsoft Access databases and Visual BASIC programs for a >> living, by the way.) >> >> - Bill Davis >> >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:26 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> >>>> >>>> I'm not aware of anything like this when I searched a year or so >>>> ago. >>>> The >>>> firm I was forming uses TrialWorks Jet, which is Access based. There >>>> was no >>>> mac version of access, hence no mac version of TW. >>>> >>>> You might see if your employer would consider using a different >>>> database >>>> such as MySQL. From what I understand it is possible to convert >>>> access to >>>> SQL. >>> >>> from my MacLaw list... >>> -- >>> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & >>> Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and >>> planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, >>> 515-255-4475. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > > > Doug Tonnemacher, 1st LT, CAP > USAFA - Civil Air Patrol > Professional Development Officer > Des Moines Senior Squadron > dtonnemacher@iawg.cap.gov > 515 987-1154 > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 16 20:55:58 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:55:58 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] looking for transportation. :) Message-ID: <0cc43a499ccc5a17de47da4a675690fe@spymac.com> Hey guys. I live on EP True, Hamlet Apts. close to the EP True/Grand intersection and I'm looking for a ride to next week's meeting. Anyone going that way and would let me ride with them? Thanks! Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 16 22:32:59 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:32:59 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] New exploit published today - affects Safari and Mozilla In-Reply-To: <6efac00fcd505ca66636464a1cc3f859@mac.com> References: <6efac00fcd505ca66636464a1cc3f859@mac.com> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-7--710522191 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Another data point: http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2005/02/07/idn-spoofing-defense-for- safari/ Has a program you can install if you're worried. I've not tested it (or even downloaded it yet) but it is at least a resource. On Feb 7, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > Thought I'd give a heads up that an exploit (mentioned today on > Slashdot): > > "East coast hacker con Shmoocon ended today and they had a nasty > browser exploit to show off... using International Domain Name (IDN) > character support to display fake domain names in links and the > address bar. Their examples use Paypal (with SSL too) and this looks > very useful for phishing attacks. Interesting note that it works in > every browser *except* IE (which makes this exploit a lot less > dangerous in the end, I suppose). The reason IE isn't vulnerable is > because it doesn't natively support IDN; with the right plug-in, it > too is vulnerable. " > > http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/ > 1323206&tid=172&tid=113&tid=154&tid=95&tid=1 > http://www.shmoo.com/idn/ > > So, be even more cautious than usual when dealing with email asking > for anything sensitive. > As of yet, Apple had no response, in Mozilla based browsers it's > possible to at least disable the behavior that allows this. > > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org --Apple-Mail-7--710522191 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE4MjIxNTAxWhcNMDUwNTE4MjIxNTAxWjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAuyTYo4QvaEigXA56XKB1W4FeJiLmE+Ff gTHKohqxmbT2Xw/9csCJNZ8uXO/xWZhyhKnurH0Mhlh9ZmA6KfUT/h3dazjFDS4NoOwWWCltLP7q Wl+S8Gm3p7TEgw87Jc2Squ+UZL8y03yV/xoSU/HzJGPAlU/anWavlnJCzZlkY/ahicGqDvJJVXBf qHiiEGeGkubs5sAB5MCLMhE6iKD7L7cdKL71RF89UsnTAqD11ZpvmtRcwPGdP31C2GmH7e74dUdX s4G1TM5mTczzb57Po7cTTAgE1AAdFh5XVUeB0QctIv5QfgWueaayD3WSI6tmb8r8KsRlI37Tho4f 4Mg4FQIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAlS7gkNLRhyPGw1XnwdIpNqfHx2nctR5DZZyHAMdsE2lsmtBaZkuY ogZnMHoV9YJCdWx6m95LUziIqTUbBcoEnGwDTxhfEBh6iAJQ7pJgHKzYkynSznacm0eAy2EeTO0X nadcKenL0nhcN5nj5vi2MfYpXzL1VxfF4ZNmzOsoocwwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNTAyMTYyMjMzMDBaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBRx1152iejbBx+y xu0RfW47ZDCfizB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFaCMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQA1Zgy+PqYFuLZo Br1yDvAtetsIk94IEN6EwxLiH6pIvCP/ujkQZWttxjEyNg8guf1tktYpI4iG0+RcWxEvQw7oKTiQ 0QTo7+vMPijVBl16wnp0QUHgjDZ2sBQhoSleyp5W70ShU3+hKoPFVtbOykJ6CIdDe9KlnXEwmP3r KqLx723cm+ANm/17o7f1XI6yNww1hADfEVNAc8YeKrHwq57Gld918yveXKmbFn9prF+9mcNMsLah XxknT4cfB0RPyJUYySInOjPZLki8mlFl3z7TxV7ke6R2KggiZc+W9ATtduulYs3zn4860d0BdImc okJBHKJC4U7sI0hcHHn4pkieAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-7--710522191-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 16 22:42:29 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:42:29 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] looking for transportation. :) In-Reply-To: <0cc43a499ccc5a17de47da4a675690fe@spymac.com> References: <0cc43a499ccc5a17de47da4a675690fe@spymac.com> Message-ID: <2f13fc6f0a3333a852a0021e0b074b0d@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-8--709953049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This reminds me to mention: As a result of the success last month and subsequent discussion, we're having (at least this month) our meeting at Haddock Computer. (Next Tuesday night @ 7) Besides, I want to see how it works, and I was in Austin last month. You can get the address and a map from the main site (see my SIG for the link). having said that, if no-one else steps forward to give you a ride (based on the location) I will, though it'll add a few blocks to my loop, so please, if anyone's going to be coming from that direction... On Feb 16, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Darcy Baston wrote: > Hey guys. I live on EP True, Hamlet Apts. close to the EP True/Grand > intersection and I'm looking for a ride to next week's meeting. Anyone > going that way and would let me ride with them? 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Matthew On Feb 16, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Darcy Baston wrote: > Hey guys. I live on EP True, Hamlet Apts. close to the EP True/Grand > intersection and I'm looking for a ride to next week's meeting. Anyone > going that way and would let me ride with them? Thanks! > > Darcy > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 17 15:19:43 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Thompson) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:43 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Microsoft Access? In-Reply-To: References: <188fb408ccb0edebd93f358240caaa9b@mac.com> Message-ID: <324114d3d336fb0d10aff193b5914f36@mac-consultant.com> The only way to use Access databases on a Mac is through Windows somehow. Either you are going to use an emulator such as Virtual PC or you are going to us a PC control device such as Microsoft Remote Desktop. I assume you have a Windows Machine at work. Did you know it is possible that you could control it from you Mac? This would also alleviate the need to buy licenses for personal use. -- Jon Thompson Jon Thompson Consulting jon@mac-consultant.com (515) 360-0250 On Feb 13, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > On Feb 13, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Tonnemacher wrote: > >> Is anybody aware of a macintosh software product capable of reading >> and writing Access databases? > > That would depend on what you want to do. If you merely want to get at > the data, there are ODBC drivers that can read Access databases. > However, if you want to use the forms and executable code contained > within an Access database, you're out of luck. RealBasic might be able > to import some code, but that wouldn't be a real solution. > > > Cheers, > Chris > > > "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a > reflection of reality or consciousness." > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 17 02:21:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:21:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] PHP Group re-forming Message-ID: <6fbb0bc581493f1aca355be1ca6e5b5c@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-1--696836453 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The PHP Users group is currently attempting to re-form. http://ciapug.org/ I thought there may be some folks here that might be interested. -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org --Apple-Mail-1--696836453 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE4MjIxNTAxWhcNMDUwNTE4MjIxNTAxWjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAuyTYo4QvaEigXA56XKB1W4FeJiLmE+Ff gTHKohqxmbT2Xw/9csCJNZ8uXO/xWZhyhKnurH0Mhlh9ZmA6KfUT/h3dazjFDS4NoOwWWCltLP7q Wl+S8Gm3p7TEgw87Jc2Squ+UZL8y03yV/xoSU/HzJGPAlU/anWavlnJCzZlkY/ahicGqDvJJVXBf qHiiEGeGkubs5sAB5MCLMhE6iKD7L7cdKL71RF89UsnTAqD11ZpvmtRcwPGdP31C2GmH7e74dUdX s4G1TM5mTczzb57Po7cTTAgE1AAdFh5XVUeB0QctIv5QfgWueaayD3WSI6tmb8r8KsRlI37Tho4f 4Mg4FQIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAlS7gkNLRhyPGw1XnwdIpNqfHx2nctR5DZZyHAMdsE2lsmtBaZkuY ogZnMHoV9YJCdWx6m95LUziIqTUbBcoEnGwDTxhfEBh6iAJQ7pJgHKzYkynSznacm0eAy2EeTO0X nadcKenL0nhcN5nj5vi2MfYpXzL1VxfF4ZNmzOsoocwwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNTAyMTcwMjIxMDZaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBRC0f0lUK+HCFKO wkFA6jBjYFUVuDB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFaCMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQA8o3udLYrzvc0M HGFur+PIbcBopupFlc+zJVeFY+5pc2e0H/GL/NehpB3LILRbJTXQ/SlyDXVepzwXoAxLjMnvddgZ 6LD6qRxXPTkl32zfCIwBqL4tL7eSRjHG9sMGUAnAI60zL4Lef2TWUHoqtyXi+5IiVfpa7qdTRgA8 Jkeeb49AEsMDnUwWrCduAMeyMgpdi1ldWdRcPwoZEzns1cA6dFhi12exV0cj0Z0uaYD8hG34BkDB wv2NLESnFZOuen5hpduNYejXixNjRkLMhUc5OAT/lkwqlALpUBpmw8ZC+iz7cS/IAdvhoykh1TAj YoD38/v7KfnuU1vf71ZtdxszAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-1--696836453-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 17 16:03:09 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:03:09 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] PHP Group re-forming In-Reply-To: <6fbb0bc581493f1aca355be1ca6e5b5c@mac.com> References: <6fbb0bc581493f1aca355be1ca6e5b5c@mac.com> Message-ID: <7420f5df3f8418a1b7fca8d20fbca01d@spymac.com> Thanks for this Bryan! PHP is my bread and butter. :) Darcy On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:21 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > The PHP Users group is currently attempting to re-form. > > http://ciapug.org/ > > > I thought there may be some folks here that might be interested. > > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 17 16:30:28 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:30:28 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Haddock Message-ID: <7b54d55e6b35b7a083e88122132c3c7a@spymac.com> From Macnn.com: --- Resellers remain confident in face of Apple Store When Apple enters into the Oklahoma City retail market later this year with an Apple Store at the Penn Square Mall, the competition will include long-standing authorized Apple resellers. Bennie McElhaney has sold and serviced Macs for more than 20 years - according to a NewsOK.com article - first at a store in Norman and now as president of PROMac Computers along Northwest Expressway. However, PROMac does not plan to launch a lawsuit, as other resellers have done nationwide: "I don't think Apple owes me a profit," McElhaney said. Initial concerns have turned to confidence, says McElhaney, "at first, we were concerned, but we adjusted our business model at the end of the year and will offer several unique programs that Apple can't offer." In far north Oklahoma City, Wichita, Kan.-based Haddock Computers operates a similar store to PROMac. "The more people who are selling Apple, the more the market share grows for them," Haddock said. "I don't see it as that big a problem." --- Haddock has more than one store right? Is that the other one? best wishes, Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 17 16:37:03 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:37:03 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Haddock In-Reply-To: <7b54d55e6b35b7a083e88122132c3c7a@spymac.com> References: <7b54d55e6b35b7a083e88122132c3c7a@spymac.com> Message-ID: <4896b3c00876c1fafb21af59f4cd0f2a@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-2--645478419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yeah, Haddock's a KS based chain. On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Darcy Baston wrote: > From Macnn.com: > > --- > Resellers remain confident in face of Apple Store > When Apple enters into the Oklahoma City retail market later this year > with an Apple Store at the Penn Square Mall, the competition will > include long-standing authorized Apple resellers. Bennie McElhaney has > sold and serviced Macs for more than 20 years - according to a > NewsOK.com article - first at a store in Norman and now as president > of PROMac Computers along Northwest Expressway. However, PROMac does > not plan to launch a lawsuit, as other resellers have done nationwide: > "I don't think Apple owes me a profit," McElhaney said. Initial > concerns have turned to confidence, says McElhaney, "at first, we were > concerned, but we adjusted our business model at the end of the year > and will offer several unique programs that Apple can't offer." In far > north Oklahoma City, Wichita, Kan.-based Haddock Computers operates a > similar store to PROMac. "The more people who are selling Apple, the > more the market share grows for them," Haddock said. "I don't see it > as that big a problem." > --- > > Haddock has more than one store right? Is that the other one? > > best wishes, > Darcy > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org --Apple-Mail-2--645478419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGFDCCAs0w ggI2oAMCAQICAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQwNTE4MjIxNTAxWhcNMDUwNTE4MjIxNTAxWjBCMR8wHQYDVQQD ExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMR8wHQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29t MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAuyTYo4QvaEigXA56XKB1W4FeJiLmE+Ff gTHKohqxmbT2Xw/9csCJNZ8uXO/xWZhyhKnurH0Mhlh9ZmA6KfUT/h3dazjFDS4NoOwWWCltLP7q Wl+S8Gm3p7TEgw87Jc2Squ+UZL8y03yV/xoSU/HzJGPAlU/anWavlnJCzZlkY/ahicGqDvJJVXBf qHiiEGeGkubs5sAB5MCLMhE6iKD7L7cdKL71RF89UsnTAqD11ZpvmtRcwPGdP31C2GmH7e74dUdX s4G1TM5mTczzb57Po7cTTAgE1AAdFh5XVUeB0QctIv5QfgWueaayD3WSI6tmb8r8KsRlI37Tho4f 4Mg4FQIDAQABoy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRBrYV9rbGlja0BtYWMuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAlS7gkNLRhyPGw1XnwdIpNqfHx2nctR5DZZyHAMdsE2lsmtBaZkuY ogZnMHoV9YJCdWx6m95LUziIqTUbBcoEnGwDTxhfEBh6iAJQ7pJgHKzYkynSznacm0eAy2EeTO0X nadcKenL0nhcN5nj5vi2MfYpXzL1VxfF4ZNmzOsoocwwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlD YXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0 aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3 MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENv bnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f 6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYk KhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGj gZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRo YXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0R BCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM 0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZ Nd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIC5zCCAuMCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBUzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNTAyMTcxNjM3MDRaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBS/PZjl6WDuIijX Grvu1Oqk2ZkI1zB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIDDFaCMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwxWgjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBfSPlDTuA/RO7+ 3Y0YrdBLCEEhNcDpl0M0YdEMMfA3Zue2YIpxVQQALxVVpvjTuB8U0yw+lSGW8xqbXJnFCLgHRefF b5QjWtc+Ktvl6TewJAJLLTKXEWLZp8oxzru1kBEgDmPL3ESKEdk/QjXJtRl8IxfMDbsoGC2pqpKX aiNBw61UtZTMAGawBnF6Dyg0u21BJsWCKGD0SmP8OhPuXTer/hz8ze9lwpLZhcQ+l00k7sWs17eP mOBC6MMcCcZuJQQs4PJRuSPlMNKXN4obzDAbI9cJDUZ2FqjkFM36iA42yubO9UxRGon6IFdOxuZv 47NHhXWUDo/ZsnxuLTExY2+zAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-2--645478419-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 17 23:02:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:02:15 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Haddock In-Reply-To: <7b54d55e6b35b7a083e88122132c3c7a@spymac.com> Message-ID: Darcy, You are correct Haddock Computer has three retail showrooms Wichita, KS (Since 1978), Oklahoma City, OK (Since 2002) and now Des Moines. We are Apple Specialists and are Apple Authorized Service Provider Plus providers. As an Apple Service Provider Plus, Apple often dispatches us to perform AppleCare onsite warranty repairs as well as Carry-In warranty repairs. We also can of course provide out of warranty service on Apple Products. In addition to our three stores we cover 5 1/2 states as an Education Sales Agent for Apple Computer. As sales agents we work with both Public and Private K-12 Schools as well as Colleges and Universities. I have been selling and serving Apple Computers here in Des Moines for 17 years. We ar= e confident that we can compete with the Apple Stores and provide services that they can't provide. If you want more info about us please check us ou= t at www.gohaddock.com or just let me know. We look forward to seeing everyone at next weeks DMUG meeting! We will provide pop and cookies. Thanks! Alan =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards On 2/17/05 10:30 AM, "Darcy Baston" wrote: > From Macnn.com: >=20 > --- > Resellers remain confident in face of Apple Store > When Apple enters into the Oklahoma City retail market later this year > with an Apple Store at the Penn Square Mall, the competition will > include long-standing authorized Apple resellers. Bennie McElhaney has > sold and serviced Macs for more than 20 years - according to a > NewsOK.com article - first at a store in Norman and now as president of > PROMac Computers along Northwest Expressway. However, PROMac does not > plan to launch a lawsuit, as other resellers have done nationwide: "I > don't think Apple owes me a profit," McElhaney said. Initial concerns > have turned to confidence, says McElhaney, "at first, we were > concerned, but we adjusted our business model at the end of the year > and will offer several unique programs that Apple can't offer." In far > north Oklahoma City, Wichita, Kan.-based Haddock Computers operates a > similar store to PROMac. "The more people who are selling Apple, the > more the market share grows for them," Haddock said. "I don't see it as > that big a problem." > --- >=20 > Haddock has more than one store right? Is that the other one? >=20 > best wishes, > Darcy >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >=20 From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 00:55:00 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jeff Muller) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:55:00 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Haddock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2eb2b4aecab56a6833c2b2b82f9a566a@mchsi.com> I lived in Wichita for many years and bought my first computer from=20 Haddock in 1992. It was a IIsi (the "big" config: 80 Mb hard drive!)=20 and it still works today. Happy to see them in Des Moines! On Feb 17, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Alan Hansen wrote: > Darcy, > > You are correct Haddock Computer has three retail showrooms Wichita, = KS > (Since 1978), Oklahoma City, OK (Since 2002) and now Des Moines. We=20= > are > Apple Specialists and are Apple Authorized Service Provider Plus=20 > providers. > As an Apple Service Provider Plus, Apple often dispatches us to = perform > AppleCare onsite warranty repairs as well as Carry-In warranty=20 > repairs. We > also can of course provide out of warranty service on Apple Products. > > In addition to our three stores we cover 5 1/2 states as an Education=20= > Sales > Agent for Apple Computer. As sales agents we work with both Public = and > Private K-12 Schools as well as Colleges and Universities. I have = been > selling and serving Apple Computers here in Des Moines for 17 years. =20= > We are > confident that we can compete with the Apple Stores and provide=20 > services > that they can't provide. If you want more info about us please check=20= > us out > at www.gohaddock.com or just let me know. > > We look forward to seeing everyone at next weeks DMUG meeting! We = will > provide pop and cookies. > > Thanks! > Alan > > =F0=F0=F0=F0 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com > > Alan Hansen > Haddock Computer > 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 > www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 > iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com > > Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) > > Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 > Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer > Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards > > On 2/17/05 10:30 AM, "Darcy Baston" wrote: > >> =46rom Macnn.com: >> >> --- >> Resellers remain confident in face of Apple Store >> When Apple enters into the Oklahoma City retail market later this = year >> with an Apple Store at the Penn Square Mall, the competition will >> include long-standing authorized Apple resellers. Bennie McElhaney = has >> sold and serviced Macs for more than 20 years - according to a >> NewsOK.com article - first at a store in Norman and now as president=20= >> of >> PROMac Computers along Northwest Expressway. However, PROMac does not >> plan to launch a lawsuit, as other resellers have done nationwide: "I >> don't think Apple owes me a profit," McElhaney said. Initial concerns >> have turned to confidence, says McElhaney, "at first, we were >> concerned, but we adjusted our business model at the end of the year >> and will offer several unique programs that Apple can't offer." In = far >> north Oklahoma City, Wichita, Kan.-based Haddock Computers operates a >> similar store to PROMac. "The more people who are selling Apple, the >> more the market share grows for them," Haddock said. "I don't see it=20= >> as >> that big a problem." >> --- >> >> Haddock has more than one store right? Is that the other one? >> >> best wishes, >> Darcy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 17:25:51 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tim Earp) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:25:51 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? Message-ID: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C515AC.9A72F330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just decided it was time to leave behind the slow dialup access I = was born and bread with and ordered DSL (through Qwest) at home. I handle the abuse department for a major Iowa-based ISP here in Des = Moines, so am more than familiar with the various port scanning and = trojan issues that make me glad I don't use Windoze. I'm wondering if I = even need some kind of firewall for my OS 9.x.x iMac. In the year+ that = I have spent dealing with abuse issues, I have yet to EVER talk to an = Apple user. I'm thinking I probably don't need a firewall, but who = knows? Maybe? Tim Earp ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C515AC.9A72F330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've just decided it was time to leave = behind the=20 slow dialup access I was born and bread with and ordered DSL (through = Qwest) at=20 home.
 
I handle the abuse department for a = major=20 Iowa-based ISP here in Des Moines, so am more than familiar with the = various=20 port scanning and trojan issues that make me glad I don't use Windoze. = I'm=20 wondering if I even need some kind of firewall for my OS 9.x.x iMac. In = the=20 year+ that I have spent dealing with abuse issues, I have yet to = EVER talk=20 to an Apple user. I'm thinking I probably don't need a firewall, but who = knows?=20 Maybe?
 
Tim Earp
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C515AC.9A72F330-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 17:58:55 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:58:55 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? In-Reply-To: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> References: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> Message-ID: As far as I know, the ports on OS 9 are only open if you turn on a=20 service or some kind, so the OS natively acts like a firewall that=20 won't even let you ping. I haven't used 9 since 2000...I'm starting to forget! I never had a=20 firewall on mine , and it was online on highspeed 24/7 for years, and I=20= never got a blip of a virus/problem/hack attempt. Darcy On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Tim Earp wrote: > I've just decided it was time to leave behind the slow dialup access I=20= > was born and bread with and ordered DSL (through Qwest) at home. > =A0 > I handle the abuse department for a major Iowa-based ISP here in Des=20= > Moines, so am more than familiar with the various port scanning and=20 > trojan issues that make me glad I don't use Windoze. I'm wondering if=20= > I even need some kind of firewall for my OS 9.x.x iMac. In the year+=20= > that=A0I have spent dealing with abuse issues, I have yet to EVER talk=20= > to an Apple user. I'm thinking I probably don't need a firewall, but=20= > who knows? Maybe? > =A0 > Tim Earp From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 18:41:47 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:41:47 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? In-Reply-To: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> References: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> Message-ID: <0f519a832d1889d1ea2d4d3c8a1715fd@spymac.com> (sending again, used wrong reply-to address) As far as I know, the ports on OS 9 are only open if you turn on a service or some kind, so the OS natively acts like a firewall that won't even let you ping. I haven't used 9 since 2000...I'm starting to forget! I never had a firewall on mine , and it was online on highspeed 24/7 for years, and I never got a blip of a virus/problem/hack attempt. Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 18:53:50 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:53:50 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? In-Reply-To: <0f519a832d1889d1ea2d4d3c8a1715fd@spymac.com> Message-ID: Intego Netbarrier ( http://www.intego.com/netbarrier/), and then there is IPNetRouter (http://www.sustworks.com), which does NAT Firewall. Jim On 2/18/05 12:41 PM, "Darcy Baston" wrote: > (sending again, used wrong reply-to address) > > As far as I know, the ports on OS 9 are only open if you turn on a > service or some kind, so the OS natively acts like a firewall that > won't even let you ping. > > I haven't used 9 since 2000...I'm starting to forget! I never had a > firewall on mine , and it was online on highspeed 24/7 for years, and I > never got a blip of a virus/problem/hack attempt. > > Darcy > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 20:34:24 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:34:24 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? In-Reply-To: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> References: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> Message-ID: <35ec0197a1d38f1b3159d72610f6dabf@mchsi.com> --Apple-Mail-1--544837921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Tim Earp wrote: > I've just decided it was time to leave behind the slow dialup access I=20= > was born and bread with and ordered DSL (through Qwest) at home. > =A0 > I handle the abuse department for a major Iowa-based ISP here in Des=20= > Moines, so am more than familiar with the various port scanning and=20 > trojan issues that make me glad I don't use Windoze. I'm wondering if=20= > I even need some kind of firewall for my OS 9.x.x iMac. In the year+=20= > that=A0I have spent dealing with abuse issues, I have yet to EVER talk=20= > to an Apple user. I'm thinking I probably don't need a firewall, but=20= > who knows? Maybe? You're probably safe on Mac OS 9 without a firewall, but make sure you=20= turn off file-sharing and such. Back when I got my cable modem, I=20 opened Network Browser and found another Mac or two on the network. One=20= particular Mac was wide open, so I dropped a SimpleText document in the=20= Startup Items folder explaining how a malicious person could have wiped=20= the machine clean. I'll never know who's machine that was, but I hope=20 he or she took the time to learn how to secure a machine with a 24/7=20 connnection. Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a=20 reflection of reality or consciousness." --Apple-Mail-1--544837921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Tim Earp wrote: ArialI've just decided it was time to leave behind the slow dialup access I was born and bread with and ordered DSL (through Qwest) at home. =A0 ArialI handle the abuse department for a major Iowa-based ISP here in Des Moines, so am more than familiar with the various port scanning and trojan issues that make me glad I don't use Windoze. I'm wondering if I even need some kind of firewall for my OS 9.x.x iMac. In the year+ that=A0I have spent dealing with abuse issues, I have yet to EVER talk to an Apple user. I'm thinking I probably don't need a firewall, but who knows? = Maybe? You're probably safe on Mac OS 9 without a firewall, but make sure you turn off file-sharing and such. Back when I got my cable modem, I opened Network Browser and found another Mac or two on the network. One particular Mac was wide open, so I dropped a SimpleText document in the Startup Items folder explaining how a malicious person could have wiped the machine clean. I'll never know who's machine that was, but I hope he or she took the time to learn how to secure a machine with a 24/7 connnection. Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." --Apple-Mail-1--544837921-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 21:21:27 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:21:27 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? In-Reply-To: <35ec0197a1d38f1b3159d72610f6dabf@mchsi.com> References: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> <35ec0197a1d38f1b3159d72610f6dabf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <814b172cebe97397314d5801731bd8e3@spymac.com> I did something similar for someone once. I gave him/her a file on how to remove his file sharing bind from the tcp/ip stack, and also contacted our ISP to contact him/her as well. Darcy On Feb 18, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > > You're probably safe on Mac OS 9 without a firewall, but make sure you > turn off file-sharing and such. Back when I got my cable modem, I > opened Network Browser and found another Mac or two on the network. > One particular Mac was wide open, so I dropped a SimpleText document > in the Startup Items folder explaining how a malicious person could > have wiped the machine clean. I'll never know who's machine that was, > but I hope he or she took the time to learn how to secure a machine > with a 24/7 connnection. > > > Cheers, > Chris From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Feb 18 22:49:04 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:49:04 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Two finger scroll Message-ID: <660b951e1d64c4419a13f6dd154bea97@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-3--536757800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One cool new feature of the newest gen powerbooks is 2 finger scroll (trackpad acts like a scroll wheel). 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It works brilliantly on my iBook G4 933MHz! Thanks Bryan. This is a great feature. Darcy On Feb 18, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > One cool new feature of the newest gen powerbooks is 2 finger scroll > (trackpad acts like a scroll wheel). Well, it seems this can actually > be done on most of the AlBooks and iBook G4's too :-) > > > http://www-users.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de/~razzfazz/ > > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 20 05:00:12 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:00:12 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS 9 Firewall? In-Reply-To: <814b172cebe97397314d5801731bd8e3@spymac.com> References: <00a801c515de$e522bff0$290515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> <35ec0197a1d38f1b3159d72610f6dabf@mchsi.com> <814b172cebe97397314d5801731bd8e3@spymac.com> Message-ID: A single Mac not running AppleTalk is pretty secure, but it's easy to make a network right now that's secure and ready for multiple Macs later (or OS X). If you want to use OS 9 and share DSL through a house network (or to another single machine) you can use IPNetRouter <(http://www.sustworks.com/site/prod_ipr_overview.html)>. It's still available for OS 9 and is pretty easy to set up. Like any router, it can be complex, but the general setup is simple using their online assistant. I've been using it for years and it firewalls my whole network, provides DHCP and NAT. I run it on an 8500/150 and it provides routing for my Classic/modern Macs and Windows. With that said, if you're getting DSL, your provider has no doubt sold or given you a DSL modem. With all the recent models on the market, you're likely to get quite a bit of pseudo-router/firewall functions, if not a complete set of router/firewall tools. Most often that's all you need. Matthew On Feb 18, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Darcy Baston wrote: > I did something similar for someone once. I gave him/her a file on how > to remove his file sharing bind from the tcp/ip stack, and also > contacted our ISP to contact him/her as well. > > Darcy > > On Feb 18, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > >> >> You're probably safe on Mac OS 9 without a firewall, but make sure >> you turn off file-sharing and such. Back when I got my cable modem, I >> opened Network Browser and found another Mac or two on the network. >> One particular Mac was wide open, so I dropped a SimpleText document >> in the Startup Items folder explaining how a malicious person could >> have wiped the machine clean. I'll never know who's machine that was, >> but I hope he or she took the time to learn how to secure a machine >> with a 24/7 connnection. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 20 05:19:31 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:19:31 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Syncing PalmOne Zire with Entourage? Message-ID: Hey everybody ... My wife has just purchased a PalmOne Zire 31 for use with her iBook 700 (MacOS X 10.3.8) at home, and an All-In-One G3 (soon to be MacOS 9.2, and some version of OSX if it'll take it, and soon to have a USB card as well) at school. Is there an easy way to sync Entourage (2004) and/or Outlook (98) with the Zire? Can either program export its calendar and/or address book to a file usable by the Zire? Re-entering the same information YET AGAIN is going to be a real drag, and pretty much makes the Zire a paperweight. Anyone done this before? Anyone? Thanks, CW -- Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio / Video technician Windows / Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 20 05:46:24 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:46:24 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Syncing PalmOne Zire with Entourage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Several ways, including one provided by Microsoft. Here's a VersionTracker.com search to show them to you: http://www.versiontracker.com/php/search.php? mode=basic&action=search&str=entourage+palm+sync&plt%5B%5D=macosx&x=15&y =8 (I've always found it humorous that Microsoft has repeatedly coded support in their Mac products for syncing with Palms...but never with their own PocketPC product. And having owned both Palm and PocketPC OS PDAs, I'm not surprised....it was up to two third parties to support syncing PocketPCs to Macs.) - Bill On Feb 19, 2005, at 11:19 PM, CW Smith wrote: > Hey everybody ... > > My wife has just purchased a PalmOne Zire 31 for use with her iBook 700 > (MacOS X 10.3.8) at home, and an All-In-One G3 (soon to be MacOS 9.2, > and > some version of OSX if it'll take it, and soon to have a USB card as > well) > at school. > > Is there an easy way to sync Entourage (2004) and/or Outlook (98) with > the > Zire? Can either program export its calendar and/or address book to a > file > usable by the Zire? Re-entering the same information YET AGAIN is > going to > be a real drag, and pretty much makes the Zire a paperweight. > > Anyone done this before? Anyone? > > Thanks, > CW > > > -- > > Curt (CW) Smith > Musician > Audio / Video technician > Windows / Macintosh consultant > > 705 Maple Street > Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA > > Phone: (712) 243-1200 > Mobile: (515) 554-5080 > > cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) > winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Feb 20 05:48:20 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:48:20 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Syncing PalmOne Zire with Entourage? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <068AB8AA-8303-11D9-BE40-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> Here's another good solution besides the ones sent earlier: Missing Sync for Palm OS http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_palmos.php - Bill On Feb 19, 2005, at 11:19 PM, CW Smith wrote: > Hey everybody ... > > My wife has just purchased a PalmOne Zire 31 for use with her iBook 700 > (MacOS X 10.3.8) at home, and an All-In-One G3 (soon to be MacOS 9.2, > and > some version of OSX if it'll take it, and soon to have a USB card as > well) > at school. > > Is there an easy way to sync Entourage (2004) and/or Outlook (98) with > the > Zire? Can either program export its calendar and/or address book to a > file > usable by the Zire? Re-entering the same information YET AGAIN is > going to > be a real drag, and pretty much makes the Zire a paperweight. > > Anyone done this before? Anyone? > > Thanks, > CW > > > -- > > Curt (CW) Smith > Musician > Audio / Video technician > Windows / Macintosh consultant > > 705 Maple Street > Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA > > Phone: (712) 243-1200 > Mobile: (515) 554-5080 > > cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) > winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 21 01:24:13 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:24:13 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: Syncing Entourage to Zire Message-ID: To Bill and everyone else: Thank you for your suggestions, and I did check out the links you provided. Turns out, from a Google search, I found that Entourage has the sync plug-in built in. I just had to set up the Zire, install the sync plug-in, hotsync, and WHOOMP! There it was. Now Donna is synced to her iBook at home, and next weekend, I'll upgrade the AIO G3 at school and do the same thing. Bingo, all three address books and calendars in sync. Thanks again for all your help and good Karma. Peace, CW -- Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio / Video technician Windows / Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 21 03:17:45 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:17:45 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: Syncing Entourage to Zire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28157B58-83B7-11D9-BEFF-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> Let us know if you can sync reliably with both machines. I wasn't aware that the Palm supported syncing to TWO different machine - I thought it did NOT. Perhaps I've been mistaken or this has changed. I know that PocketPC says it does support syncing two 2 machines (however, PocketPC synching has always been unstable for me. And I'm talking about on Windows, not Mac....) Although I'm wondering if Apple's iSync and perhaps Missing Sync for Palm OS can support this sort of thing, as I would like to be able to sync with 2 different computers AND with two different Palm units, actually (I'd like to get a PalmOS cell phone and sync my contacts with it, but prefer my Sony Clie NX70's large screen for other PDA uses.) Of course, the real problem is one of the machines I'd like to sync the Palm to is a Windows box, not a Mac....so that may be my showstopper right there... -Bill On Feb 20, 2005, at 7:24 PM, CW Smith wrote: > To Bill and everyone else: > > Thank you for your suggestions, and I did check out the links you > provided. > > Turns out, from a Google search, I found that Entourage has the sync > plug-in > built in. I just had to set up the Zire, install the sync plug-in, > hotsync, > and WHOOMP! There it was. > > Now Donna is synced to her iBook at home, and next weekend, I'll > upgrade the > AIO G3 at school and do the same thing. Bingo, all three address > books and > calendars in sync. > > Thanks again for all your help and good Karma. > > Peace, > CW > > > -- > > Curt (CW) Smith > Musician > Audio / Video technician > Windows / Macintosh consultant > > 705 Maple Street > Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA > > Phone: (712) 243-1200 > Mobile: (515) 554-5080 > > cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) > winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Dmmug@dmmug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 21 15:13:50 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:13:50 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Re: Syncing Entourage to Zire In-Reply-To: <28157B58-83B7-11D9-BEFF-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> References: <28157B58-83B7-11D9-BEFF-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> Message-ID: <67c660148d39ad9de483ac3b94fc206f@earthlink.net> On Feb 20, 2005, at 9:17 PM, Bill Davis wrote: > > Although I'm wondering if Apple's iSync and perhaps Missing Sync for > Palm OS can support this sort of thing, as I would like to be able to > sync with 2 different computers AND with two different Palm units, > actually (I'd like to get a PalmOS cell phone and sync my contacts > with it, but prefer my Sony Clie NX70's large screen for other PDA > uses.) Of course, the real problem is one of the machines I'd like to > sync the Palm to is a Windows box, not a Mac....so that may be my > showstopper right there... > > -Bill Sounds like you're talking more about a WebDAV/DotMac-type sync. This would probably work. Just pick one machine for each Palm (and stick with that scenario if possible), sync each Mac to a WebDAV server or DotMac account and that should bring each Mac up-to-date. Then each Palm should sync to the same data and both would be current. Taking that info to a Windows machine might be a challenge, but I'll bet it's not impossible. In fact, the Palm might be the "hub." Sync the Macs together, sync to the Palm, then take the Palm to the Windows box. This might be a little verbose, not be entirely intuitive, and have lots of points of failure. I'd try it though. I'm a glutton for punishment. Of course you should have a good tested backup with an also-tested restore path. Matthew From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 22 04:39:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:39:05 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iPod and Des Moines Message-ID: Believe it or not, DSM made it to MacNN today (macnn.com) by way of the Des Moines Register. Full link here: Matthew From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 22 14:49:12 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:49:12 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] iPod and Des Moines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the URL Matt. very interesting. At 10:39 PM -0600 on 2/21/05, Matt W wrote about [DM-MUG] iPod and Des Moines: >Believe it or not, DSM made it to MacNN today (macnn.com) by way of >the Des Moines Register. > >Full link here: > > >Matthew > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Dmmug@dmmug.org >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Feb 22 15:19:33 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:19:33 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Alarm - DMMUG Regular Meeting - Tonight @ Haddock Computers (Modified by Bryan Baker) Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-1--214767801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Tuesday, February 22, 2005 : DMMUG Regular Meeting see http://dmmug.org for location details. We probably didn't take any nominations at last months meeting, but it is time for the next election this month. 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Herring) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac User Group resources Message-ID: FYI: http://www.mugcenter.com/start/start.html -- Starting a Macintosh User Group there are resources linked there and the Borland one looks pretty good. The whole mugcenter site has alot of information ref. setting up and Maintaining a MUG = including free resources from Apple...incl. http://www.mugcenter.com/apple/index.html -- Apple Macintosh User Group Resources http://www.apple.com/usergroups/ -- Apple's resources for MUG [links there to go to] -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Feb 23 01:29:38 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:29:38 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mac User Group resources Message-ID: FYI: http://www.mugcenter.com/start/start.html -- Starting a Macintosh User Group there are resources linked there and the Borland one looks pretty good. The whole mugcenter site has alot of information ref. setting up and Maintaining a MUG = including free resources from Apple...incl. http://www.mugcenter.com/apple/index.html -- Apple Macintosh User Group Resources http://www.apple.com/usergroups/ -- Apple's resources for MUG [links there to go to] -- Victoria L. Herring, Des Moines, Iowa, U.S.A. Attorney at Law, Consulting in and handling civil rights, discrimination and employment law matters: http://www.herringlaw.com; Owner, JourneyZing!, Your Source for Customized Trip & Travel Research: http://www.JourneyZing.com; blog: http://homepage.mac.com/victoriaherring/blogwavestudio/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 24 14:09:12 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:09:12 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Election Results Message-ID: <60786556264cc281c677580b289ba98f@mac.com> Election Results: President: Bryan Baker Vice President: Jon Thompson Secretary: Bailey Ford Treasurer: Dave Weis Sgt. at Arms: Jim Lagnese We also finalized the decision to "move" to Haddock on a more permanent basis since they've been so gracious about hosting us and seem to actually want us there. We also shouldn't forget CompUSA has been quite good to let us meet there for so long, and I encourage folks to take advantage of the special Mac sales event they have today: //=================================================================== A Special Invitation from CompUSA CompUSA is hosting a special event just for Apple users. Swing by any CompUSA location in the U.S. and check out some of the latest products, including iLife '05, iWork '05 and iPod shuffle. You might even be able to catch a glimpse of the Mac mini before it flies off the shelves. See some great Macworld Expo video footage and get a chance to win some cool prizes. Don't miss out on some cool in-store promos from Adobe, Brenthaven, FileMaker, HP, Intuit and Microsoft. Thursday February 24 4-9 p.m. Get more info and find your nearest location. http://seminars.apple.com/compusa/appleusersevent/1.html //=================================================================== -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 24 15:15:57 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:15:57 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Election Results In-Reply-To: <60786556264cc281c677580b289ba98f@mac.com> References: <60786556264cc281c677580b289ba98f@mac.com> Message-ID: I like the Haddock location but it might be nice for them if we stop the meeting about 10 minutes before 9pm so if people want to buy things or see the store, they can do it without forcing it to stay open too late...of course, if it's staying open anyway til 930p that wouldn't be necessary. I just thought we should be sensitive of people's time 'after' work. Vicky -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, http://www.HerringLaw.com; Travel research and planning, http://www.JourneyZing.com; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Feb 24 15:58:21 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:58:21 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Election Results In-Reply-To: References: <60786556264cc281c677580b289ba98f@mac.com> Message-ID: <421DF99D.2090202@spymac.com> Some of us were quite chatty and stayed that late just socializing. Nobody showed any sign that they were being inconvenienced, but perhaps our host was just that warm? Darcy Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I like the Haddock location but it might be nice for them if we stop > the meeting about 10 minutes before 9pm so if people want to buy > things or see the store, they can do it without forcing it to stay > open too late...of course, if it's staying open anyway til 930p that > wouldn't be necessary. I just thought we should be sensitive of > people's time 'after' work. Vicky From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Feb 28 02:39:33 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:39:33 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Macintosh creator Jef Raskin dies at 61 Message-ID: <8dc130f7536b5c4ae2e782911cf65205@spymac.com> Macintosh creator Jef Raskin dies at 61 February 27, 2005 - 18:22 EST Jef Raskin, the human-computer interface expert who began the Macintosh project for Apple, passed away Saturday, at age 61. Raskin, author of such books as "The Humane Interface: New Directions for Designing Interactive Systems," reportedly died of cancer. Raskin joined Apple in 1978 as employee No. 31, but left the company in 1982 amid a dispute with Apple CEO Steve Jobs. The Macintosh was launched two years later in 1984. Raskin took the time to talk with MacMinute last year. Our sincere condolences go out to his family and friends. http://www.macminute.com/2005/02/27/raskin/ :( Darcy