From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 1 14:01:55 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:01:55 -0600 Subject: [DM-MUG] Help finding a driver for Farallon PC card? Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3195187316_173606 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3195187316_147895" --B_3195187316_147895 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Calling all Mac geeks! I recently purchased a pair of these Farallon LAN-Modem cards for some PowerBook 5300s. The driver that came with them (Farallon PC Card Installer 2.2) requires System 7.5.3, and presumably work= s just fine in that system. However, these PowerBooks are set up with Mac OS 8.5, and the driver absolutely hates that. I=B9ve searched DriverGuide, VersionTracker, Google, and AltaVista for any updates. I=B9ve found an Installer 3.0, but seems to work (actually NOT work) just the same as 2.2. Apparently when new, these cards retailed at about $350. I have a hard tim= e believing that Farallon would have dropped driver support after only about = a year. Farallon has since been bought out by Proxim, and I see no trace of this card on their web site. The only identification I see on the cards is =B3Farallon LAN/Modem PC Card=B2 = - no model number. I=B9ve scanned front and back to see if they look familiar to anyone. Can anyone point me to the updated driver, or by chance would anyone have a driver disk lying around? I=B9d sure appreciate any advice. Peace, CW =20 --=20 Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio / Video technician Windows / Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) --B_3195187316_147895 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Help finding a driver for Farallon PC card? Calling al= l Mac geeks!

I recently purchased a pair of these Farallon LAN-Modem cards for some Powe= rBook 5300s.  The driver that came with them
(Farallon PC Card Installer 2.2) requires System 7.5.3, and presumably work= s just fine in that system.

However, these PowerBooks are set up with Mac OS 8.5, and the driver absolu= tely hates that.  I’ve searched DriverGuide, VersionTracker, Goog= le, and AltaVista for any updates.  I’ve found an Installer 3.0, = but seems to work (actually NOT work) just the same as 2.2.

Apparently when new, these cards retailed at about $350.  I have a har= d time believing that Farallon would have dropped driver support after only = about a year.  Farallon has since been bought out by Proxim, and I see = no trace of this card on their web site.

The only identification I see on the cards is “Farallon LAN/Modem PC = Card” - no model number.  I’ve scanned front and back to se= e if they look familiar to anyone.

Can anyone point me to the updated driver, or by chance would anyone have a= driver disk lying around?  I’d sure appreciate any advice.

Peace,
CW



  


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Curt (CW) Smith
   Musician
   Audio / Video technician
   Windows / Macintosh consultant

705 Maple Street
Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA

Phone:  (712) 243-1200
Mobile: (515) 554-5080

cwsmith@mchsi.com (home)
winmactech@mchsi.com (technical)
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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479619fcb931e91540fd3c6ae596ad81@technicalmac.com> There is an Apple-supplied modem script for this card in 9.22 and OS X, =20= so Apple knew about the card. Have you considered that your test system =20= might be broken somehow? They may have also changed the name of the card. Have you tried the =20 EtherMac driver? It's not for the exact same item, but if it's not =20 working now... =20 Matthew On Apr 1, 2005, at 8:01 AM, CW Smith wrote: > Calling all Mac geeks! > > I recently purchased a pair of these Farallon LAN-Modem cards for =20 > some PowerBook 5300s. =A0The driver that came with them > (Farallon PC Card Installer 2.2) requires System 7.5.3, and =20 > presumably works just fine in that system. > > However, these PowerBooks are set up with Mac OS 8.5, and the driver =20= > absolutely hates that. =A0I=92ve searched DriverGuide, VersionTracker, = =20 > Google, and AltaVista for any updates. =A0I=92ve found an Installer = 3.0, =20 > but seems to work (actually NOT work) just the same as 2.2. > > Apparently when new, these cards retailed at about $350. =A0I have a =20= > hard time believing that Farallon would have dropped driver support =20= > after only about a year. =A0Farallon has since been bought out by =20 > Proxim, and I see no trace of this card on their web site. > > The only identification I see on the cards is =93Farallon LAN/Modem = PC =20 > Card=94 - no model number. =A0I=92ve scanned front and back to see if = they =20 > look familiar to anyone. > > Can anyone point me to the updated driver, or by chance would anyone =20= > have a driver disk lying around? =A0I=92d sure appreciate any advice. > > Peace, > CW > > > > =A0=A0 > > > -- > > Curt (CW) Smith > =A0=A0=A0Musician > =A0=A0=A0Audio / Video technician > =A0=A0=A0Windows / Macintosh consultant > > 705 Maple Street > Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA > > Phone: =A0(712) 243-1200 > Mobile: (515) 554-5080 > > cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) > winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) > =20 > =20= From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 4 01:17:38 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:17:38 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Shoestring filmmaking Message-ID: I ran across a couple resources lately that I thought some folks (Holly) might be interested in: Build a steadycam for ~$14: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/ Build a telescoping mic boom for ~ $20 http://www.number28.com/backlot.html I put both of these together this weekend and they both seem to work extremely well for the budget. This is one I haven't tried (yet) for building your own dolly: http://www.cartala.com/dollytrack.html -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 4 02:03:37 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Holly Welch) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:03:37 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Shoestring filmmaking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81b3e49e035416fdabec04d43c110e1a@mac.com> Thanks, Brian! I think I could put the kids on these projects!!! They are within my budget!!!!! Holly PS, The movie was a huge success!! The kids loved it, and were easily able to recall the testing strategies by recalling the movie clips. On Apr 3, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 4 17:23:08 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:23:08 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] LawStream Update Message-ID: For lawyers and others who need/want a heavy-duty program to replace Tiimeslips..you might check this out. > > >Good Morning: > >Here's the big new news about LawStream: > >You can now get LawStream into your office on a monthly-payment plan, which >can be converted to a permanent license at the end of a year. It's only >$100 for set-up and $100 per month after that, and your last monthly payment >not only makes your license a permanent one - it also gives you an extra >year of full support and upgrades. This new "monthly deal" means you not >only get the benefits offered by LawStream, but you also avoid a large >initial expense: you get to be a LawStream user, for as little as $200. > > >Here's a reminder about some past news: > >LawStream is available now: we can usually have your LawStream package ready >within a few working days of your payment. >LawStream imports Timeslips data. >LawStream can export data for uploading to iPods and PDAs. >LawStream has timers (and rules-based reminders, and full general ledger >accounting, and basic document management, and client statements, and >scheduling, and memos, and web interface, and ...). >We have an established support structure for users, including FAQ pages, >web-based support requests, built-in help, a manual, and access to our >bulletin board. >LawStream can export data I tab-delimited format, so you can use it in >spreadsheets, word processing documents, and your own FileMaker data base. > >We have lots of reasons to make a big splash about the new news, and >continue to be impressed by the old news, but you should take a look at >LawStream and see for yourself. > >-- > >Bill at PowerSoft Innovations >(PowerSoft Innovations Corporation, per William H. Pope) > >Bill Pope, Chief Information Officer >PowerSoft Innovations Corporation >Developers and Distributors of >The LawStream Law Office Management System (http://www.lawstream.com) >Integrated Financial Management and Practice Management for Macintosh and >Windows >Phone: (250) 782-3322 Fax: (250) 782-1212 >E-mail: bill@lawstream.com > -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 4 20:09:17 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (pegleg) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:09:17 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Interesting note Message-ID: <425189BC.DBF11EDD@mchsi.com> I enjoyed this so thought I would share it. > This is a quote from a new digital newsletter from Roxio, recently > bought out by Sonic Solutions: > > As a Mac user, you already know you "think different" from the Windoze > majority. And you probably think you're pretty smart for doing so. But > is there any actual proof that Mac owners are more intelligent? Paul > Murphy did a verbal analysis of online discussion group postings for > MacNewsWorld, and came up with some interesting statistics. Using > standard "readability" gradings for text, you can measure how > sophisticated it is in terms of vocabulary, grammar, usage and the > like. Comparing grades for Mac, PC and Linux users, the Mac clique > scored significantly higher on all counts, proving definitively that > Mac users are smarter. After all, it's smart to use easy software! From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 4 22:49:34 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:49:34 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] EventReminder....and helpful creators... Message-ID: > >I was looking for something that would take my iCal and give me a >list of events, not just a calendar view. I came across >EventReminder which was fine, but which wouldn't export or print the >results directly. I wrote the email below and received a great >response quickly. He then adapted his program a bit and now has a >beta version with both Text export and Print to Printer options. So >far it works, but it's not ready for prime time for about a week. I >really am impressed with the program and the creator, and once it's >fixed and out will let you know. But, wanted to fill you in now. > >>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:16:17 -0500 >>To: "Victoria L. Herring" >>From: David Hanauer >>Subject: Re: EventReminder... >>X-Spam: [F=0.0100000000; heur=0.500(-9900); stat=0.010; >>spamtraq-heur=0.500(2005032210)] >>X-Loop-Detect:1 >> >>Victoria, >> >>Thanks for your feedback. The possibilities for exporting and >>printing are quite limited because of the programming language I >>used to create Event Reminder. >> >>However, it should be possible to export the list at least to a >>simple Text File. Is that what you had in mind? >> >>If I can get a better idea of what you wanted such a feature to do, >>or what you wanted the printed page to look like, I can then see >>what might be possible. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Dave H. >> >>>Is an excellent program. One thing you could do [easily I hope] is >>>make it possible to either print or export the list of events. The >>>real probem with iCal is that you cannot come up with a list of >>>events that are upcoming, and print it off. Your program does >>>that...but doesn't print it off. I can do a screen capture but >>>it'd be nice to be able to capture a checklist of events. Thanks. > >>-- > -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 4 22:56:34 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Eller) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:56:34 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Interesting note In-Reply-To: <425189BC.DBF11EDD@mchsi.com> References: <425189BC.DBF11EDD@mchsi.com> Message-ID: this was quite evident when the new tech director arrived in the des moines schools and changed them from a perfectly good two-platform network to windows only. On Apr 4, 2005, at 2:09 PM, pegleg wrote: > I enjoyed this so thought I would share it. > >> This is a quote from a new digital newsletter from Roxio, recently >> bought out by Sonic Solutions: >> >> As a Mac user, you already know you "think different" from the Windoze >> majority. And you probably think you're pretty smart for doing so. But >> is there any actual proof that Mac owners are more intelligent? Paul >> Murphy did a verbal analysis of online discussion group postings for >> MacNewsWorld, and came up with some interesting statistics. Using >> standard "readability" gradings for text, you can measure how >> sophisticated it is in terms of vocabulary, grammar, usage and the >> like. Comparing grades for Mac, PC and Linux users, the Mac clique >> scored significantly higher on all counts, proving definitively that >> Mac users are smarter. After all, it's smart to use easy software! > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 5 16:51:54 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:51:54 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] For lawyers who use Macs... Message-ID: > the Apple Legal site has been >modified to include a reference to MacLaw as follows: > >The MacLaw e-Discussion Group > The MacLaw email discussion group is a free and interactive forum for >lawyers, technology consultants, and other legal professionals to >exchange ideas about Apple software and hardware, as well as general >technology and legal issues. To join the MacLaw community, please visit >www.onelist.com/subscribe/MacLaw. > >Check out the site at: > -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 7 17:32:47 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:32:47 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Doing presentations....options galore! Message-ID: I now have my own inFocus projector and my Powerbook, of course. I was looking into options and ideas for how to do some presentations, some small and personal and some to groups and it seems like there are all sorts of options: Use Homepage or Mac Slides to do online presentation order prints, books or Powerbook and iPhoto to TV hookup and then Slideshow Powerbook and iPhoto export to iDVD and work with it there Powerbook and iPhoto export to QTime for movie format Powerbook and Keynote and use iPhoto and iTunes to do the slides am I missing anything??? These are alot of options but I'm trying to get my mind around the options and possibilities before diving into the water in one pool or the other. I do have Keynote, Pages and iLife...and Office 2004 for Mac. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 7 17:51:23 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:51:23 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Doing presentations....options galore! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65605071def9c0e35ae97004ddb8d333@mac.com> It all depends. For an actual "Presentation" I think I'd start w/ Keynote. If it's just photos, I'd start w/ iPhoto if it involves moving images I've got myself pretty hooked on DVD's Remember one can definitely mix and match EG: Training Video: Keynote for "slide" elements Captured "moving screenshots" using Screen Recorder (or Snapz Pro) Both of those can be exported to QT and then imported to: iMovie (or FCE/P) Where I can overdub narration, etc. I can add other moving elements (like live video, etc.) Another thing to ponder - for web dist. Keynote can now output (simple) Flash files (similar caveats to powerpoint export apply). W/ GarageBand it's also pretty easy to get "original" music whipped up pretty quickly using loops. No worries about Copyright. On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I now have my own inFocus projector and my Powerbook, of course. I > was looking into options and ideas for how to do some presentations, > some small and personal and some to groups and it seems like there are > all sorts of options: > > Use Homepage or Mac Slides to do online presentation > order prints, books > or > > Powerbook and iPhoto to TV hookup and then Slideshow > Powerbook and iPhoto export to iDVD and work with it there > Powerbook and iPhoto export to QTime for movie format > Powerbook and Keynote and use iPhoto and iTunes to do the slides > > > am I missing anything??? These are alot of options but I'm trying to > get my mind around the options and possibilities before diving into > the water in one pool or the other. > > I do have Keynote, Pages and iLife...and Office 2004 for Mac. > > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ; Travel research and > planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 7 19:24:44 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:24:44 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Doing presentations....options galore! In-Reply-To: <65605071def9c0e35ae97004ddb8d333@mac.com> References: <65605071def9c0e35ae97004ddb8d333@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks! That is the sort of info I really needed. Much appreciated. Victoria >It all depends. >For an actual "Presentation" I think I'd start w/ Keynote. >If it's just photos, I'd start w/ iPhoto >if it involves moving images I've got myself pretty hooked on DVD's >Remember one can definitely mix and match EG: > >Training Video: > >Keynote for "slide" elements >Captured "moving screenshots" using Screen Recorder (or Snapz Pro) > >Both of those can be exported to QT and then imported to: > >iMovie (or FCE/P) >Where I can overdub narration, etc. >I can add other moving elements (like live video, etc.) > > >Another thing to ponder - for web dist. Keynote can now output >(simple) Flash files (similar caveats to powerpoint export apply). > >W/ GarageBand it's also pretty easy to get "original" music whipped >up pretty quickly using loops. No worries about Copyright. > >On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >>I now have my own inFocus projector and my Powerbook, of course. I >>was looking into options and ideas for how to do some >>presentations, some small and personal and some to groups and it >>seems like there are all sorts of options: >> >>Use Homepage or Mac Slides to do online presentation >>order prints, books >>or >> >>Powerbook and iPhoto to TV hookup and then Slideshow >>Powerbook and iPhoto export to iDVD and work with it there >>Powerbook and iPhoto export to QTime for movie format >>Powerbook and Keynote and use iPhoto and iTunes to do the slides >> >> >>am I missing anything??? These are alot of options but I'm trying >>to get my mind around the options and possibilities before diving >>into the water in one pool or the other. >> >>I do have Keynote, Pages and iLife...and Office 2004 for Mac. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 7 20:14:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:14:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Doing presentations....options galore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you need the ultimate portable presentation device to work with these yo= u could use them with an iPod Photo. Thanks, Alan On 4/7/05 1:24 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > Thanks! That is the sort of info I really needed. Much appreciated. > Victoria >=20 >> It all depends. >> For an actual "Presentation" I think I'd start w/ Keynote. >> If it's just photos, I'd start w/ iPhoto >> if it involves moving images I've got myself pretty hooked on DVD's >> Remember one can definitely mix and match EG: >>=20 >> Training Video: >>=20 >> Keynote for "slide" elements >> Captured "moving screenshots" using Screen Recorder (or Snapz Pro) >>=20 >> Both of those can be exported to QT and then imported to: >>=20 >> iMovie (or FCE/P) >> Where I can overdub narration, etc. >> I can add other moving elements (like live video, etc.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Another thing to ponder - for web dist. Keynote can now output >> (simple) Flash files (similar caveats to powerpoint export apply). >>=20 >> W/ GarageBand it's also pretty easy to get "original" music whipped >> up pretty quickly using loops. No worries about Copyright. >>=20 >> On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >>=20 >>> I now have my own inFocus projector and my Powerbook, of course. I >>> was looking into options and ideas for how to do some >>> presentations, some small and personal and some to groups and it >>> seems like there are all sorts of options: >>>=20 >>> Use Homepage or Mac Slides to do online presentation >>> order prints, books >>> or >>>=20 >>> Powerbook and iPhoto to TV hookup and then Slideshow >>> Powerbook and iPhoto export to iDVD and work with it there >>> Powerbook and iPhoto export to QTime for movie format >>> Powerbook and Keynote and use iPhoto and iTunes to do the slides >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> am I missing anything??? These are alot of options but I'm trying >>> to get my mind around the options and possibilities before diving >>> into the water in one pool or the other. >>>=20 >>> I do have Keynote, Pages and iLife...and Office 2004 for Mac. =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 7 20:19:50 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:19:50 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Doing presentations....options galore! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >If you need the ultimate portable presentation device to work with these you >could use them with an iPod Photo. > >Thanks, >Alan I have one...I just wanted though to get my mind around all the options and think and plan a bit for these presentations == the lst one is a photo show so that is easy enough [iPhoto, PB and connected to TV if they have one or inFocus on the wall] -- but for the fancier ones Iwas a bit confused....I'll keep the iPod Photo in mind, but it's a bit of overkill for a person such as me who isn't yet even used to the laptop source. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 7 21:20:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:20:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV Message-ID: The first project is just slideshow of pictures...easy enough using iPhoto and PB...I have cables = friend has a 2 yr old Sony Triniton TV...not sure of what connectors I would need or where they would be on the TV = I went to Sony site and that was no help. Any ideas or should I not worry? -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 00:19:20 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (CW Smith) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:19:20 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A lot of TVs anymore only have the F-type (cable) connector on the back. Most don't have any RCA audio/video inputs or even old fashioned antenna connectors (showing my age, I guess) ... You may have to hook up through the VCR -- most of them have front A/V jacks. Apple does sell a cable which converts the mini-VGA port on iBook/PowerBook to video (RCA) and S-video (looks like an old ADB port). The cable is about 6" long, costs (I think) about $19, and mine works just great. Hope this helps! Peace, CW On 4/7/05 3:20 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > The first project is just slideshow of pictures...easy enough using > iPhoto and PB...I have cables = friend has a 2 yr old Sony Triniton > TV...not sure of what connectors I would need or where they would be > on the TV = I went to Sony site and that was no help. Any ideas or > should I not worry? -- Curt (CW) Smith Musician Audio / Video technician Windows / Macintosh consultant 705 Maple Street Atlantic, Iowa 50022 USA Phone: (712) 243-1200 Mobile: (515) 554-5080 cwsmith@mchsi.com (home) winmactech@mchsi.com (technical) From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 00:23:02 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:23:02 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It might have s-video and that should work without a breakout cable. Sometimes it even has a front port hidden by a door. You'd just need to plug it in, switch the input and maybe sleep and reawaken the Mac. It's the same connector-type as Apple's old ADB--4-pin mini-din. Problem is, if they're not using S-video, it might not be "switched-on." Some older TV's have alternate connectors per input and you have to enable the proper type from within a menu. However, recent TV's may auto-sense incoming signals and "just work" (like a Mac). If you have to use Composite inputs (Yellow=video, Red/White is R/L audio), you might need a breakout cable that goes into your PowerBook's S-video port. That's almost guaranteed to be on the front input panel and there should be more of those on the rear as well. Matthew On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > The first project is just slideshow of pictures...easy enough using > iPhoto and PB...I have cables = friend has a 2 yr old Sony Triniton > TV...not sure of what connectors I would need or where they would be > on the TV = I went to Sony site and that was no help. Any ideas or > should I not worry? > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ; Travel research and > planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 01:05:14 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:05:14 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Curt. I tried it out with my TV first....worked great - the images appeared abit fuzzy but we could understand what they were == I suppose it has to do with digital setup. All I needed was an S-Cable to do that. The PB has an S-Video cable outlet. Not sure what my friend has yet, but next I'll test it on my inFocus projector and see how it works. I can already tell the limitations of a direct iPhoto Slideshow = it is great for quick/dirty viewing but if you want to go slide by slide and talk about the pics or whatever, you need more control = the iDVD export or Keynote seem to be the next answer. I'll let you know. >A lot of TVs anymore only have the F-type (cable) connector on the back. >Most don't have any RCA audio/video inputs or even old fashioned antenna >connectors (showing my age, I guess) ... > >You may have to hook up through the VCR -- most of them have front A/V >jacks. > >Apple does sell a cable which converts the mini-VGA port on iBook/PowerBook >to video (RCA) and S-video (looks like an old ADB port). The cable is about >6" long, costs (I think) about $19, and mine works just great. > >Hope this helps! > > >Peace, >CW > >On 4/7/05 3:20 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > >> The first project is just slideshow of pictures...easy enough using >> iPhoto and PB...I have cables = friend has a 2 yr old Sony Triniton >> TV...not sure of what connectors I would need or where they would be >> on the TV = I went to Sony site and that was no help. Any ideas or > > should I not worry? -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 01:53:59 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:53:59 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to Projector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay, next test...I have an inFocus projector. All sorts of cables. But the computer cable, to run from PB to projector has the smaller (1/2" W) end - like the old VGA plug I think. The PB has a DVI port so maybe I have something around here....but is there a website with pictures of the different types of plugs?? -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 02:06:47 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:06:47 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --============_-1099200087==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially designed to allow users to connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4, or Power Mac to an external VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit video-mirroring or dual display. The DVI to VGA adapter plugs into the DVI port built into the new Mac mini, a PowerBook G4 or into Power Mac with NVIDIA or ATI Radeon graphic cards which feature DVI ports. I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a DVI port and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and then to the inFocus... -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. --============_-1099200087==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV
 The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially designed to allow users to connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4, or Power Mac to an external VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit video-mirroring or dual display. The DVI to VGA adapter plugs into the DVI port built into the new Mac mini, a PowerBook G4 or into Power Mac with NVIDIA or ATI Radeon graphic cards which feature DVI ports.

I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a DVI port and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and then to the inFocus...
--
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.
--============_-1099200087==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 02:24:00 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:24:00 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to Projector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reporting back. I had a set of Monster cables [think I got them with iPod as extra accessory]= and the set had an S-vid and 1 audio cable at one end == and the projector took the S-video and 2 audio (red and white) cable ends...connected them to PB and to inFocus....on the PB there is F7 which shows the two rectangles inside each other - push that and VOILA the image from computer goes up thru Projector and to screen...very Mac like thanks for all the help - looks like for now i don't need the extra cable, though it might be good to have just in case, later. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 02:42:31 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:42:31 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Victoria, you might check w/ all the stuff that came w/ your PB. Mine included (in the box): DVI-VGA adapter (this is what you should need for the projector) S-Video-Composite adapter (I haven't even opened that one). I could see them maybe dropping the S-Video-Composite adapter, but not=20= the DVI-VGA - it's too too commonly used. Just checked Apple's site and: PB Video accessories: 12" Comes w/: Mini-DVI to DVI adapter, mini-DVI to VGA adapter 15" & 17": S-video to composite adapter, DVI to VGA adapter On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:06 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > =A0The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially designed to = allow=20 > users to connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4, or Power=20= > Mac to an external VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit video-mirroring=20= > or dual display. The DVI to VGA adapter plugs into the DVI port built=20= > into the new Mac mini, a PowerBook G4 or into Power Mac with NVIDIA or=20= > ATI Radeon graphic cards which feature DVI ports. > > I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a=20= > DVI port and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and=20 > then to the inFocus... > --=20 > > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination &=20 > Employment Law, ;=A0 Travel research and=20 > planning, ;=A0 Des Moines, Iowa,=20 > 515-255-4475. > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 15:29:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:29:15 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3195797355_184305 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Victoria, Like Brian said this cable comes included with all PowerBooks. We do keep these in stock as well. When connecting to the InFocus projector the image is going to be much clearer if you connect to it using the SVGA port on you= r PowerBook. Composite/S-Video doesn=B9t broadcast as many lines as SVGA does and the display will look much better. Thanks, Alan On 4/7/05 8:06 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially designed to allow use= rs to > connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4, or Power Mac to an ext= ernal > VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit video-mirroring or dual display. The = DVI > to VGA adapter plugs into the DVI port built into the new Mac mini, a > PowerBook G4 or into Power Mac with NVIDIA or ATI Radeon graphic cards wh= ich > feature DVI ports. >=20 > I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a DVI = port > and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and then to the > inFocus... =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards --B_3195797355_184305 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV Victoria,

Like Brian said this cable comes included with all PowerBooks.  We do = keep these in stock as well.  When connecting to the InFocus projector = the image is going to be much clearer if you connect to it using the SVGA po= rt on your PowerBook.  Composite/S-Video doesn’t broadcast as man= y lines as SVGA does and the display will look much better.


Thanks,
Alan
On 4/7/05 8:06 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringlaw= .com> wrote:

The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially d= esigned to allow users to connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4,= or Power Mac to an external VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit video-mirro= ring or dual display. The DVI to VGA adapter plugs into the DVI port built i= nto the new Mac mini, a PowerBook G4 or into Power Mac with NVIDIA or ATI Ra= deon graphic cards which feature DVI ports.
 I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a DVI po= rt and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and then to the in= Focus...




=95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com

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 --B_3195797355_184305-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 8 15:39:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:39:15 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --============_-1099151326==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Alan, thanks and I think that's a good idea...I will try to find it [you'd be amazed - or maybe you wouldn't - at how many computer cables, parts and etc. I have around here!!!] but if I don't will check with you for a replacement. Silly of me, but I couldn't find it on my initial search...I'll buy one and find it then, as usual. >Victoria, > >Like Brian said this cable comes included with all PowerBooks. We >do keep these in stock as well. When connecting to the InFocus >projector the image is going to be much clearer if you connect to it >using the SVGA port on your PowerBook. Composite/S-Video doesn't >broadcast as many lines as SVGA does and the display will look much >better. > > >Thanks, >Alan >On 4/7/05 8:06 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" wrote: > >The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially designed to allow >users to connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4, or Power >Mac to an external VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit >video-mirroring or dual display. The DVI to VGA adapter plugs into >the DVI port built into the new Mac mini, a PowerBook G4 or into >Power Mac with NVIDIA or ATI Radeon graphic cards which feature DVI >ports. > >I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a >DVI port and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and >then to the inFocus... -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. --============_-1099151326==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [DM-MUG] Projecting from PB to TV
Alan, thanks and I think that's a good idea...I will try to find it [you'd be amazed - or maybe you wouldn't - at how many computer cables, parts and etc. I have around here!!!] but if I don't will check with you for a replacement.  Silly of me, but I couldn't find it on my initial search...I'll buy one and find it then, as usual.

Victoria,

Like Brian said this cable comes included with all PowerBooks.  We do keep these in stock as well.  When connecting to the InFocus projector the image is going to be much clearer if you connect to it using the SVGA port on your PowerBook.  Composite/S-Video doesn't broadcast as many lines as SVGA does and the display will look much better.


Thanks,
Alan
On 4/7/05 8:06 PM, "Victoria L. Herring" <vlherring@herringlaw.com> wrote:
The Apple DVI to VGA display adapter was specially designed to allow users to connect their DVI equipped Mac mini, PowerBook G4, or Power Mac to an external VGA monitor or projector for 24-bit video-mirroring or dual display. The DVI to VGA adapter plugs into the DVI port built into the new Mac mini, a PowerBook G4 or into Power Mac with NVIDIA or ATI Radeon graphic cards which feature DVI ports.
I found the $19 part...I think it'll be needed, because the PB has a DVI port and then it goes to the usual Computer cable, I think, and then to the inFocus...

--
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.
--============_-1099151326==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 9 02:33:58 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Douglas) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:33:58 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] The perfect Mac story Message-ID: <6ecf4d9a41b81a6992e273726b5dc7e5@mchsi.com> --Apple-Mail-9--588231351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed The perfect Mac story. I recently bought a USB flash drive. When I attached it to my Mac the Flash drive mounted without any=20 problem and was instantly ready for use. When I attached it to my Wintel box (XP version) it would not mount. No=20= matter what. So, off to Google and the manufacturers website where I=20 found this: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D FAQ Question 117: "When installing the Flash Drive on a networked computer=20= I can't see it in My Computer. How can I fix this?" =A0Answer "Here are the steps to reassigning the drive letter in Win2000=20= and in WinXP. " 1. Right click My Computer and select Manage. 2. After the Computer Management console has opened select = Storage=20 then Disk Management folder in the left window. 3. On the right side in the bottom section, right click = the drive=20 that corresponds to the Attache and select Change Drive Letter and Path=20= to a known NON-Network Drive letter. 4. Click OK until you are back to the Desktop 5. NOTE: Changing drive letter or your Hard Drive (C) may = affect the=20 operation of some of your software =96 this is not the one that you want=20= to change. If you do this it may be necessary to reinstall the software=20= for the programs that no longer respond =96 please use caution when=20 changing drive letters. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Both my Mac box and the Wintel box are on the network but only one=20 "knows" how to behave without help. I'm certain that there are things about the Mac OS that make others=20 cringe but I find this kind of DOS prompt behavior by Micro$oft=20 unforgivable. Best, Doug "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan= --Apple-Mail-9--588231351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 The perfect Mac story. I recently bought a USB flash drive.=20 When I attached it to my Mac the Flash drive mounted without any problem and was instantly ready for use. When I attached it to my Wintel box (XP version) it would not mount. No matter what. So, off to Google and the manufacturers website where I found this: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D FAQ Question 117: "When installing the Flash Drive on a networked computer I can't see it in My Computer. How can I fix this?" =A0Answer "Here are the steps to reassigning the drive letter in Win2000 and in WinXP. " 1. Right click My Computer and select Manage. 2. After the Computer Management console has opened select = Storage then Disk Management folder in the left window. 3. On the right side in the bottom section, right click = the drive that corresponds to the Attache and select Change Drive Letter and Path to a known NON-Network Drive letter. 4. Click OK until you are back to the Desktop 5. NOTE: Changing drive letter or your Hard Drive (C) may = affect the operation of some of your software =96 this is not the one that you want to change. If you do this it may be necessary to reinstall the software for the programs that no longer respond =96 please use caution when changing drive letters. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Both my Mac box and the Wintel box are on the network but only one "knows" how to behave without help. I'm certain that there are things about the Mac OS that make others cringe but I find this kind of DOS prompt behavior by Micro$oft unforgivable. Best, Doug "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."=20 Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan= --Apple-Mail-9--588231351-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 16:25:52 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:25:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] In case you hadn't heard: Tiger Release Scheduled for 4/29/05 Message-ID: Just noticed the headline on MacCentral this AM. http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/04/12/tiger/index.php Apple on Tuesday announced the ship date for its next generation operating system, Mac OS X Tiger. The operating system, which the company says includes hundreds of enhancements, will be available to customers beginning at 6:00 pm on Friday, April 29, 2005, at special events held at the company's retail locations and authorized retailers. Pre-orders for Tiger are being taken today at the online Apple Store -- Tiger will cost US$129. MACCENTRAL, April 12, 2005 8:31 am ET More Apple's spilling more detail now that they've announced a ship: http://www.apple.com/macosx/ -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 16:26:58 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:26:58 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] In case you hadn't heard: Tiger Release Scheduled for 4/29/05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Just noticed the headline on MacCentral this AM. > >http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/04/12/tiger/index.php >Apple on Tuesday announced the ship date for its next generation >operating system, Mac OS X Tiger. The operating system, which the >company says includes hundreds of enhancements, will be available to >customers beginning at 6:00 pm on Friday, April 29, 2005, at special >events held at the company's retail locations and authorized >retailers. Pre-orders for Tiger are being taken today at the online >Apple Store -- Tiger will cost US$129. MACCENTRAL, April 12, 2005 >8:31 am ET More > >Apple's spilling more detail now that they've announced a ship: > >http://www.apple.com/macosx/ > >-- I have my preorder placed at Amazon and there was a $35 rebate there too. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 17:22:59 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:22:59 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Powermac G3 desktop with monitor and keyboard....and software?? Message-ID: I still have one of these and would like to either sell it or give it to charity. If anyone has an interest, could you email me or call me directly??? It's taking up room!! Springcleaning time. The software would be all types of pre-OSX software for Macs. Not alot, but it's gathering dust here. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 19:25:19 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:25:19 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Darwin Ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8433156a4d2c63b1d5d5d41fb4397ece@dreamscapevisionery.com> For anyone using Darwin Ports on their systems, Wordtech Software has today released the completely rewritten DPGUI to provide a graphical front-end to the package manager. It is available at http://www.wordtech-software.com/dpgui.html For those who follow this list, you might recall a conversation a couple months back where some of us were lauding Fink, and Bryan mentioned how great Darwin Ports was. I gave it another shot and I have to tell you the late versions are far superior to Fink, which hasn't been the same since the founding author left. DPGUI brings this software in line with Fink's ease of use, and appears to provide a better browsing feature than Fink Commander does. WARNING: I have been downloading this 11.7MB file since roughly 11:00 AM when it was announced. I'm on a T3 connection and I'm just over half done. Their server appears to be getting hammered, so please be patient or wait until another day to visit the site and grab the software. Chris VC From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 19:32:46 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:32:46 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise Message-ID: I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living with Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, Oracle Server, etc.) I know Bryan and I both are responsible for Mac support and for maintaining and developing on XServes. Last year I convinced my director to replace my Windows box with a G5 because I can perform my DBA duties better with a Mac (Yep, you read that right. Better. The best tools available for DB work are written in Java, and Apple's implementation in this arena has been flawless. And my Mac trashes my 3 GHz Dell in speed, especially when working with multiple DB connections simultaneously.) My role as Webmaster is also ramping up to consume (at this point) 75% of my daily duties. There's on question that web development on the Mac is simply better, easier, you name it. The reason I'm asking is I thought it might be good to start an MitE SIG and discuss software / hardware people are using professionally with Macs. What web resources are others using? That kind of thing. Bryan and I have talked a bit about revamping the website, and I think having SIG sections, and sub-forums in a discussion forum, would appeal to several of us. But then, I could be wrong. Chris Van Cleve From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 19:58:08 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:58:08 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8622945.1113332288028.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> I use an iBook for PHP/MySQL development. It's amazing, but Textwrangler, is the *best* free text editor out there and it makes churning out scripts a breeze (syntax coloring, SFTP/FTP open/save , hotkey indenting, regexp searches, emacs emulation, scriptable and more). The default Terminal performs great too for remote administration. For MS Office compatibility I use NeoOffice, a Java GUI for OpenOffice. It's data import/export/print support is incredible, is the best handler for CSV data, and makes MS Excel look like a Fisher Price toy. And if that's not cool enough, attending meetings and then distributing minutes taken in Pages to PDF format to everyone, is just fantastic. I'm with you guys. I could NOT work as efficiently as I do on a PC. Unless it came with tons of expensive commercial software, and even then, there's a big ease of use penalty. This iBook went from "out of box" to production in a WinNT/Linux environment, in minutes. It could talk to the network, shared printers, VPNs, wireless network and more, right away. Darcy On Tuesday, April 12, 2005, at 01:33PM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: >I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living with >Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, >Oracle Server, etc.) > >I know Bryan and I both are responsible for Mac support and for >maintaining and developing on XServes. Last year I convinced my >director to replace my Windows box with a G5 because I can perform my >DBA duties better with a Mac (Yep, you read that right. Better. The >best tools available for DB work are written in Java, and Apple's >implementation in this arena has been flawless. And my Mac trashes my 3 >GHz Dell in speed, especially when working with multiple DB connections >simultaneously.) My role as Webmaster is also ramping up to consume (at >this point) 75% of my daily duties. There's on question that web >development on the Mac is simply better, easier, you name it. > >The reason I'm asking is I thought it might be good to start an MitE >SIG and discuss software / hardware people are using professionally >with Macs. What web resources are others using? That kind of thing. > >Bryan and I have talked a bit about revamping the website, and I think >having SIG sections, and sub-forums in a discussion forum, would appeal >to several of us. But then, I could be wrong. > >Chris Van Cleve > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Use this Address to send mail to the list: >Dmmug@dmmug.org >Use this page to modify subscription options: >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 20:03:03 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Rinehart) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:03:03 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello I dont use any of the x serve macs at work but I do have two G4's that I do image manipulation and web design. I started with the Mac+ that I got at U of I surplus for $150. I also use Pc's and can not believe how un-intuitive they are. I have all of them set up with the task bar at the top though. The site I work with is over 300 mg and 3000 pages of art. I am still trying to attach style sheets to it all to make it a little more manageable. Do you use an SQL data base for your web work? I know that dreamweaver has a lot of features in this area that I dont use. Regards Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 20:46:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:46:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For our web site we use both MS Access and MS SQL on the backend, with IIS running ASP on the frontend. (Well, for another year anyway. heh) For our Intranet we're running MySQL/Apache/PHP on Mac OS X XServe. It also connects to and uses our enterprise systems which are run on MS SQL 2000, Oracle 9i, FileMaker Pro, and some flat files. For development tools, I retired Dreamweaver late last year. I simply cannot use a WYSIWYG editor anymore because of the massive amounts of server-side includes and PHP OOP code. Nothing can render it but a browser hitting a live server. My editor of choice, at present, is skEdit. (I picked it over Text Wrangler, BBEdit, and TextMate) I have made several suggestions to the programs' developer to make things a bit nicer for PHP authors (if you code regular HTML or Cold Fusion this app is perfect) and he is considering them, and is in the process of adding some of the features already. I urge you to take a look at it if you're doing web development. The other development tool I couldn't live without is CSSEdit. It is extremely useful if you're developing a standards-based site.(Style Master is also good, but CSSEdit has that Made for Mac feel that it lacks) For database work, I find myself using MySQL Administrator and phpMyAdmin predominantly for my MySQL work, and Aqua Data Studio for all of my other databases and when I need to link MySQL to the others. Aqua Data Studio is free, although I would pay hundreds for it, it's so useful. OSS rocks! For my graphic work, I rely mostly on Photoshop CS, however I dabble with several other apps as needed. (I miss ColorIt! terribly) Chris VC On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: > Hello > I dont use any of the x serve macs at work but I do have two G4's that > I do image manipulation and web design. I started with the Mac+ that I > got at U of I surplus for $150. I also use Pc's and can not believe > how un-intuitive they are. I have all of them set up with the task bar > at the top though. The site I work with is over 300 mg and 3000 pages > of art. I am still trying to attach style sheets to it all to make it > a little more manageable. Do you use an SQL data base for your web > work? I know that dreamweaver has a lot of features in this area that > I dont use. Regards Chris > > Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and > having. > > http://www.kavanaughgallery.com > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 21:02:39 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Rinehart) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:02:39 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> So you know if using PHP files affects web rankings. I know that they have problems with non HTML pages. I guess if you are using a live data base you can not have static pages. We get a lot of hits but have a low percentage of browser to buyer conversions. I am just trying to figure out a way to make my site work better. Regards Chris Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and having. http://www.kavanaughgallery.com On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: > For our web site we use both MS Access and MS SQL on the backend, with > IIS running ASP on the frontend. (Well, for another year anyway. heh) > For our Intranet we're running MySQL/Apache/PHP on Mac OS X XServe. It > also connects to and uses our enterprise systems which are run on MS > SQL 2000, Oracle 9i, FileMaker Pro, and some flat files. > > For development tools, I retired Dreamweaver late last year. I simply > cannot use a WYSIWYG editor anymore because of the massive amounts of > server-side includes and PHP OOP code. Nothing can render it but a > browser hitting a live server. My editor of choice, at present, is > skEdit. (I picked it over Text Wrangler, BBEdit, and TextMate) I have > made several suggestions to the programs' developer to make things a > bit nicer for PHP authors (if you code regular HTML or Cold Fusion > this app is perfect) and he is considering them, and is in the process > of adding some of the features already. I urge you to take a look at > it if you're doing web development. > > The other development tool I couldn't live without is CSSEdit. It is > extremely useful if you're developing a standards-based site.(Style > Master is also good, but CSSEdit has that Made for Mac feel that it > lacks) > > For database work, I find myself using MySQL Administrator and > phpMyAdmin predominantly for my MySQL work, and Aqua Data Studio for > all of my other databases and when I need to link MySQL to the others. > Aqua Data Studio is free, although I would pay hundreds for it, it's > so useful. OSS rocks! > > For my graphic work, I rely mostly on Photoshop CS, however I dabble > with several other apps as needed. (I miss ColorIt! terribly) > > Chris VC > > > On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: > >> Hello >> I dont use any of the x serve macs at work but I do have two G4's >> that I do image manipulation and web design. I started with the Mac+ >> that I got at U of I surplus for $150. I also use Pc's and can not >> believe how un-intuitive they are. I have all of them set up with the >> task bar at the top though. The site I work with is over 300 mg and >> 3000 pages of art. I am still trying to attach style sheets to it all >> to make it a little more manageable. Do you use an SQL data base for >> your web work? I know that dreamweaver has a lot of features in this >> area that I dont use. Regards Chris >> >> Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and >> having. >> >> http://www.kavanaughgallery.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 21:06:53 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:06:53 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> References: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> Message-ID: No, using a server-side language won't affect your browser rankings. In the end you're still just spitting out HTML to the browser. There are some other things that affect it though, like javascript, super nested tables, etc. You might want to take a gander at some web resources on SEO (Search Engine Optimization) to see what is good and what is bad to do. Chris VC On Apr 12, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: > So you know if using PHP files affects web rankings. I know that they > have problems with non HTML pages. I guess if you are using a live > data base you can not have static pages. We get a lot of hits but have > a low percentage of browser to buyer conversions. I am just trying to > figure out a way to make my site work better. Regards Chris > > > Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and > having. > > http://www.kavanaughgallery.com > On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: > >> For our web site we use both MS Access and MS SQL on the backend, >> with IIS running ASP on the frontend. (Well, for another year anyway. >> heh) For our Intranet we're running MySQL/Apache/PHP on Mac OS X >> XServe. It also connects to and uses our enterprise systems which are >> run on MS SQL 2000, Oracle 9i, FileMaker Pro, and some flat files. >> >> For development tools, I retired Dreamweaver late last year. I simply >> cannot use a WYSIWYG editor anymore because of the massive amounts of >> server-side includes and PHP OOP code. Nothing can render it but a >> browser hitting a live server. My editor of choice, at present, is >> skEdit. (I picked it over Text Wrangler, BBEdit, and TextMate) I have >> made several suggestions to the programs' developer to make things a >> bit nicer for PHP authors (if you code regular HTML or Cold Fusion >> this app is perfect) and he is considering them, and is in the >> process of adding some of the features already. I urge you to take a >> look at it if you're doing web development. >> >> The other development tool I couldn't live without is CSSEdit. It is >> extremely useful if you're developing a standards-based site.(Style >> Master is also good, but CSSEdit has that Made for Mac feel that it >> lacks) >> >> For database work, I find myself using MySQL Administrator and >> phpMyAdmin predominantly for my MySQL work, and Aqua Data Studio for >> all of my other databases and when I need to link MySQL to the >> others. Aqua Data Studio is free, although I would pay hundreds for >> it, it's so useful. OSS rocks! >> >> For my graphic work, I rely mostly on Photoshop CS, however I dabble >> with several other apps as needed. (I miss ColorIt! terribly) >> >> Chris VC >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> I dont use any of the x serve macs at work but I do have two G4's >>> that I do image manipulation and web design. I started with the Mac+ >>> that I got at U of I surplus for $150. I also use Pc's and can not >>> believe how un-intuitive they are. I have all of them set up with >>> the task bar at the top though. The site I work with is over 300 mg >>> and 3000 pages of art. I am still trying to attach style sheets to >>> it all to make it a little more manageable. Do you use an SQL data >>> base for your web work? I know that dreamweaver has a lot of >>> features in this area that I dont use. Regards Chris >>> >>> Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and >>> having. >>> >>> http://www.kavanaughgallery.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 21:08:44 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:44 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> References: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> Message-ID: I should also mention that we're evaluating a nice tool that can help out with SEO that is cross-platform compatible: http://www.advancedwebranking.com/ Chris VC On Apr 12, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: > So you know if using PHP files affects web rankings. I know that they > have problems with non HTML pages. I guess if you are using a live > data base you can not have static pages. We get a lot of hits but have > a low percentage of browser to buyer conversions. I am just trying to > figure out a way to make my site work better. Regards Chris > > > Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and > having. > > http://www.kavanaughgallery.com > On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: > >> For our web site we use both MS Access and MS SQL on the backend, >> with IIS running ASP on the frontend. (Well, for another year anyway. >> heh) For our Intranet we're running MySQL/Apache/PHP on Mac OS X >> XServe. It also connects to and uses our enterprise systems which are >> run on MS SQL 2000, Oracle 9i, FileMaker Pro, and some flat files. >> >> For development tools, I retired Dreamweaver late last year. I simply >> cannot use a WYSIWYG editor anymore because of the massive amounts of >> server-side includes and PHP OOP code. Nothing can render it but a >> browser hitting a live server. My editor of choice, at present, is >> skEdit. (I picked it over Text Wrangler, BBEdit, and TextMate) I have >> made several suggestions to the programs' developer to make things a >> bit nicer for PHP authors (if you code regular HTML or Cold Fusion >> this app is perfect) and he is considering them, and is in the >> process of adding some of the features already. I urge you to take a >> look at it if you're doing web development. >> >> The other development tool I couldn't live without is CSSEdit. It is >> extremely useful if you're developing a standards-based site.(Style >> Master is also good, but CSSEdit has that Made for Mac feel that it >> lacks) >> >> For database work, I find myself using MySQL Administrator and >> phpMyAdmin predominantly for my MySQL work, and Aqua Data Studio for >> all of my other databases and when I need to link MySQL to the >> others. Aqua Data Studio is free, although I would pay hundreds for >> it, it's so useful. OSS rocks! >> >> For my graphic work, I rely mostly on Photoshop CS, however I dabble >> with several other apps as needed. (I miss ColorIt! terribly) >> >> Chris VC >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> I dont use any of the x serve macs at work but I do have two G4's >>> that I do image manipulation and web design. I started with the Mac+ >>> that I got at U of I surplus for $150. I also use Pc's and can not >>> believe how un-intuitive they are. I have all of them set up with >>> the task bar at the top though. The site I work with is over 300 mg >>> and 3000 pages of art. I am still trying to attach style sheets to >>> it all to make it a little more manageable. Do you use an SQL data >>> base for your web work? I know that dreamweaver has a lot of >>> features in this area that I dont use. Regards Chris >>> >>> Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and >>> having. >>> >>> http://www.kavanaughgallery.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 21:34:06 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Eller) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:34:06 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80c5f0f63397b06f52adba113b0ba31e@mac.com> i have two computers at work. on a network that's moving to all-windows. macs are not allowed to move beyond 8.6. i still find my g3 233 desktop faster, easier, and more reliable than the dell i've been given with xp for office apps, outlook, and the system-wide grading program we use in the dsm schools. the dell is required for the new access-based student referral system for sending kids to the vice-principal. i think it's because i use a mac that i never need to make referrals - my computer doesn't make me frazzled. i can deal with kids. one of these years, they'll take away my mac. then i'll replace my home mac and take my old one to work. they won't allow me to access their network, but i'll still have a better machine for Office apps. On Apr 12, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: > I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living > with Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe > RAID, Oracle Server, etc.) > > I know Bryan and I both are responsible for Mac support and for > maintaining and developing on XServes. Last year I convinced my > director to replace my Windows box with a G5 because I can perform my > DBA duties better with a Mac (Yep, you read that right. Better. The > best tools available for DB work are written in Java, and Apple's > implementation in this arena has been flawless. And my Mac trashes my > 3 GHz Dell in speed, especially when working with multiple DB > connections simultaneously.) My role as Webmaster is also ramping up > to consume (at this point) 75% of my daily duties. There's on question > that web development on the Mac is simply better, easier, you name it. > > The reason I'm asking is I thought it might be good to start an MitE > SIG and discuss software / hardware people are using professionally > with Macs. What web resources are others using? That kind of thing. > > Bryan and I have talked a bit about revamping the website, and I think > having SIG sections, and sub-forums in a discussion forum, would > appeal to several of us. But then, I could be wrong. > > Chris Van Cleve > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 22:32:38 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:32:38 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop Message-ID: My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall his OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk Mode. He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will he have trouble with the data from the users directory being usable if he needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and drop to a second HD on the G5? I would tend to think that a backup program such as Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 23:39:17 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:39:17 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall his >OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it >unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk Mode. >He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will he have >trouble with the data from the users directory being usable if he >needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and drop to a second HD >on the G5? I would tend to think that a backup program such as >Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >-- Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, Super Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big discussion on another list... -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 12 23:38:31 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:38:31 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <80c5f0f63397b06f52adba113b0ba31e@mac.com> References: <80c5f0f63397b06f52adba113b0ba31e@mac.com> Message-ID: This angers me alot....If they had to move to WIN fine, but not kill Mac opportunities. Keep the darned grading program on Dells...but if you or anyone else wants to use a Mac on the network, fine. Should not be a problem. They'd have to pull my Mac from my cold, dead fingers before I'd let them have it. Hang in there. >i have two computers at work. on a network that's moving to all-windows. >macs are not allowed to move beyond 8.6. >i still find my g3 233 desktop faster, easier, and more reliable >than the dell i've been given with xp >for office apps, outlook, and the system-wide grading program we use >in the dsm schools. >the dell is required for the new access-based student referral >system for sending kids to the vice-principal. >i think it's because i use a mac that i never need to make referrals >- my computer doesn't make me frazzled. i can deal with kids. >one of these years, they'll take away my mac. >then i'll replace my home mac and take my old one to work. they >won't allow me to access their network, but i'll still have a better >machine for Office apps. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 00:09:58 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:09:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: <80c5f0f63397b06f52adba113b0ba31e@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > This angers me alot....If they had to move to WIN fine, but not kill Mac > opportunities. Keep the darned grading program on Dells...but if you or > anyone else wants to use a Mac on the network, fine. Should not be a > problem. > They'd have to pull my Mac from my cold, dead fingers before I'd let them > have it. Hang in there. My wife taught kindergarten at Clive Elem in the WDM district. They came by and replaced all the old IBM machines with new IBM machines. We had set up a performa in each kindergarten classroom because they didn't have enough machines or games. During the replacement the two macs were confiscated and put in the library in computer detention. She was scolded for having outside computers even though they weren't hooked to the network. It was much smoother than the PC once we got At Ease going and put icons on for everything. -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 00:22:55 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:22:55 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall his >>OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it >>unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk Mode. >>He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will he have >>trouble with the data from the users directory being usable if he >>needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and drop to a second >>HD on the G5? I would tend to think that a backup program such >>as Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >>-- > >Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, Super >Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big discussion on >another list... Victoria, Yes, I have been reading about the alternatives. To clarify my question is really about whether drag-and-drop will work or if he should clone it. That said--for my uses CCC works well although I understand its limits. I might try Apple Backup and see how it works. Is that other discussion the one on Mac-L or is it another one? -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 02:52:20 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:52:20 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5853df0dbcc61fcb3bdd8428e63553ab@earthlink.net> OS X will NOT boot if you drag-and-drop the data to another drive. You must clone the data using an OS X-aware backup tool. A very versatile commercial tool is Prosoft's Data Backup (prosofteng.com). SuperDuper! (shirtpocket.com) is my current favorite, and is less expensive, but it's automation is limited at this point. Data Backup has more options than Retrospect, is more stable, and is easier to use. I wouldn't use CarbonCopyCloner (CCC). It's been out of development since approximately 10.2.6 and has been very unreliable on Panther in my experience. Matthew On Apr 12, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: >>> My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall his >>> OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it >>> unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk Mode. >>> He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will he have >>> trouble with the data from the users directory being usable if he >>> needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and drop to a second HD >>> on the G5? I would tend to think that a backup program such as >>> Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >>> -- >> >> Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, Super >> Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big discussion on >> another list... > > Victoria, > > Yes, I have been reading about the alternatives. To clarify my > question is really about whether drag-and-drop will work or if he > should clone it. > > That said--for my uses CCC works well although I understand its > limits. I might try Apple Backup and see how it works. > > Is that other discussion the one on Mac-L or is it another one? > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 03:22:01 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:22:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Backup Software info Message-ID: Actually I did a long list, but it was many months ago = current thinking on the MacLaw list [lawyers and they really need security and backup!!! times three!] is as follows - the idea being to clone the drive, not to just copy over CCC - but it freezes and I'm like Matt, I don't use it any more, though I do have it sitting on the machine REtrospect - expensive and proprietary = I've been using it since early 1990s without incident. But probably will try to move to something else some day. MimMac - I have it and have used it and was very pleased with it - shareware SuperDuper is highly regarded - it will Clone then will restart from the new clone so you'll know if it's okay or not = I did have it not work about a week ago, but have not tracked it down and don't think you need to take that as a negative... Synchronize Pro X - works well for several folks more info -- I use it and like it. For me, SuperDuper makes a bootable copy of my office hard drive onto a 3.5" 250 GB HD; I also use it to backup my AlPB onto a 2.5" 80 GB HD. The only downside is you can't store other data on the hard drive without partitioning because it will erase any files not on your source drive. I use ProSoft Engineering's DataBackUp for network backup and it appears to work fast and accurately (and will run in the background). I love SuperDuper. After dumping Retrospect several years ago, and having CCC freeze and/or produce backups which failed to mount, I find SD to be simple, fast and dependable. For its "grand finale" in cloning your hard disk, it restarts your computer from the clone, so you know immediately that you have a BOOTABLE backup before you leave the backup process. This is neat, and provides peace of mind that if you need that backup, it won't disappoint you. I could do that manually of course from other programs, but the temptation would be too great to skip checking. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 12:49:51 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (=?iso-8859-1?B?a2Nyb3VjaA==?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:49:51 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise Message-ID: <20050413114951.25291.qmail@server284.com> If it angers you so, let the DSM schools know. If you're a taxpayer in the DSM school district, then let YOUR school board know how you feel. We all pay taxes to school districts. We should all let our schools know the tragedy of loosing Macs to Microsoft. Kendall -------Original Message------- > From: "Victoria L. Herring" > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise > Sent: 12 Apr 2005 22:38:31 > > This angers me alot....If they had to move to WIN fine, but not kill > Mac opportunities.  Keep the darned grading program on Dells...but if > you or anyone else wants to use a Mac on the network, fine.  Should > not be a problem. > > They'd have to pull my Mac from my cold, dead fingers before I'd let > them have it.  Hang in there. > > >i have two computers at work.  on a network that's moving to all-windows. > >macs are not allowed to move beyond 8.6. > >i still find my g3 233 desktop faster, easier, and more reliable > >than the dell i've been given with xp > >for office apps, outlook, and the system-wide grading program we use > >in the dsm schools. > >the dell is required for the new access-based student referral > >system for sending kids to the vice-principal. > >i think it's because i use a mac that i never need to make referrals > >- my computer doesn't make me frazzled.  i can deal with kids. > >one of these years, they'll take away my mac. > >then i'll replace my home mac and take my old one to work.  they > >won't allow me to access their network, but i'll still have a better > >machine for Office apps. > > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ;  Travel research and > planning, ;  Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------Original Message------- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 13:08:39 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:08:39 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] printers Message-ID: Hi, One of my daughters seldom uses her printer(weeks between uses). At present it is a dot-matrix printer but it is starting to act up on her. I have an Eson ink jet I could give her but I am afraid she would use all of her ink cleaning it. Would one of the low cost lasers be better? As I recall taking the toner cartridge out and shaking it seemed to correct a lot of problems. -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 14:21:05 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:21:05 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> References: <39a2a22198e910cf7d67b6d1b985222e@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <425D1CC1.2030401@vonahsen.com> If you have administrative control over your webserver, you can make any filetype be processed as PHP. I know of several programmers that make use of the .htm extension for their PHP pages, and .html are the 'real' html pages I recall it used to be an issue that anything but .html and .htm would take a hit from the search engines, but I would hope that the fact that you can mask programmed pages would have changed this by now. -barry Chris Rinehart wrote: > So you know if using PHP files affects web rankings. I know that they > have problems with non HTML pages. I guess if you are using a live data > base you can not have static pages. We get a lot of hits but have a low > percentage of browser to buyer conversions. I am just trying to figure > out a way to make my site work better. Regards Chris > > > Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and > having. > > http://www.kavanaughgallery.com > On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: > >> For our web site we use both MS Access and MS SQL on the backend, with >> IIS running ASP on the frontend. (Well, for another year anyway. heh) >> For our Intranet we're running MySQL/Apache/PHP on Mac OS X XServe. It >> also connects to and uses our enterprise systems which are run on MS >> SQL 2000, Oracle 9i, FileMaker Pro, and some flat files. >> >> For development tools, I retired Dreamweaver late last year. I simply >> cannot use a WYSIWYG editor anymore because of the massive amounts of >> server-side includes and PHP OOP code. Nothing can render it but a >> browser hitting a live server. My editor of choice, at present, is >> skEdit. (I picked it over Text Wrangler, BBEdit, and TextMate) I have >> made several suggestions to the programs' developer to make things a >> bit nicer for PHP authors (if you code regular HTML or Cold Fusion >> this app is perfect) and he is considering them, and is in the process >> of adding some of the features already. I urge you to take a look at >> it if you're doing web development. >> >> The other development tool I couldn't live without is CSSEdit. It is >> extremely useful if you're developing a standards-based site.(Style >> Master is also good, but CSSEdit has that Made for Mac feel that it >> lacks) >> >> For database work, I find myself using MySQL Administrator and >> phpMyAdmin predominantly for my MySQL work, and Aqua Data Studio for >> all of my other databases and when I need to link MySQL to the others. >> Aqua Data Studio is free, although I would pay hundreds for it, it's >> so useful. OSS rocks! >> >> For my graphic work, I rely mostly on Photoshop CS, however I dabble >> with several other apps as needed. (I miss ColorIt! terribly) >> >> Chris VC >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Chris Rinehart wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> I dont use any of the x serve macs at work but I do have two G4's >>> that I do image manipulation and web design. I started with the Mac+ >>> that I got at U of I surplus for $150. I also use Pc's and can not >>> believe how un-intuitive they are. I have all of them set up with the >>> task bar at the top though. The site I work with is over 300 mg and >>> 3000 pages of art. I am still trying to attach style sheets to it all >>> to make it a little more manageable. Do you use an SQL data base for >>> your web work? I know that dreamweaver has a lot of features in this >>> area that I dont use. Regards Chris >>> >>> Someday you will find that there is a difference between wanting and >>> having. >>> >>> http://www.kavanaughgallery.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 14:22:00 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:22:00 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6500c8940d3f5a330a962eca031611c6@dreamscapevisionery.com> Yes, that would be your best bet. I am often amazed at what shaking a toner cartridge can do. ;) If she goes weeks between print jobs, with a bubblejet printer you risk permanent clogging of the heads (beyond what even super cleaning can cure). Replacement of the heads are usually nearly as costly as a new printer. I'd go with the low cost laser in this scenario. Chris VC On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:08 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > Hi, > > One of my daughters seldom uses her printer(weeks between uses). At > present it is a dot-matrix printer but it is starting to act up on > her. I have an Eson ink jet I could give her but I am afraid she would > use all of her ink cleaning it. Would one of the low cost lasers be > better? As I recall taking the toner cartridge out and shaking it > seemed to correct a lot of problems. > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 14:25:24 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:25:24 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1bcf4c5af5c800bf610eb61e6408153f@dreamscapevisionery.com> Drag and drop will lead to numerous problems for backup, mostly related to permissions and forks, but you also miss key hidden files. The drive should be cloned. I have had the most success with rSync X. Chris VC On Apr 12, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: >>> My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall his >>> OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it >>> unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk Mode. >>> He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will he have >>> trouble with the data from the users directory being usable if he >>> needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and drop to a second HD >>> on the G5? I would tend to think that a backup program such as >>> Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >>> -- >> >> Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, Super >> Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big discussion on >> another list... > > Victoria, > > Yes, I have been reading about the alternatives. To clarify my > question is really about whether drag-and-drop will work or if he > should clone it. > > That said--for my uses CCC works well although I understand its > limits. I might try Apple Backup and see how it works. > > Is that other discussion the one on Mac-L or is it another one? > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 15:09:11 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:09:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: <1bcf4c5af5c800bf610eb61e6408153f@dreamscapevisionery.com> References: <1bcf4c5af5c800bf610eb61e6408153f@dreamscapevisionery.com> Message-ID: Is this true of data files and images such as JPG or TIFF? I know that is for programs. >Drag and drop will lead to numerous problems for backup, mostly >related to permissions and forks, but you also miss key hidden >files. The drive should be cloned. I have had the most success with >rSync X. > >Chris VC > >On Apr 12, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: > >>>>My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall >>>>his OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it >>>>unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk >>>>Mode. He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will >>>>he have trouble with the data from the users directory being >>>>usable if he needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and >>>>drop to a second HD on the G5? I would tend to think that a >>>>backup program such as Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >>>>-- >>> >>>Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, Super >>>Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big discussion on >>>another list... >> >>Victoria, >> >>Yes, I have been reading about the alternatives. To clarify my >>question is really about whether drag-and-drop will work or if he >>should clone it. >> >>That said--for my uses CCC works well although I understand its >>limits. I might try Apple Backup and see how it works. >> >>Is that other discussion the one on Mac-L or is it another one? >>-- >>Ray >> >>Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >>Fourth Tues of the month. >>See >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Dmmug mailing list >>Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>Dmmug@dmmug.org >>Use this page to modify subscription options: >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Use this Address to send mail to the list: >Dmmug@dmmug.org >Use this page to modify subscription options: >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 19:09:31 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:31 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise Message-ID: <041320051809.7812.425D6059000D9F1400001E84219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> > I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living with > Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, > Oracle Server, etc.) No Macs here "on the stagecoach" (you guess who the company is). Like other big corporations, they'd rather buy $400 machines to save money up front. It amuses and frustrates me how quickly they'll approve some enterprise software @ $2500/seat. They keep their Wintel admin costs low by locking the machines down so tight that a typical user can't even change the date/time. Hmm. I'm just ranting here. I'll shut up now. ;) Chris From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 19:28:33 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Michael R. Hoffmann) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:28:33 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <041320051809.7812.425D6059000D9F1400001E84219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> References: <041320051809.7812.425D6059000D9F1400001E84219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <8f1b0e25fb0802a94de6acf31dec63fe@aol.com> --Apple-Mail-18--181755964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mac's are all we use in our office. Been using them since 85. Mike On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:09 PM, cdtyrrell@mchsi.com wrote: > > > >> I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living=20 >> with >> Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, >> Oracle Server, etc.) > > No Macs here "on the stagecoach" (you guess who the company is). Like=20 > other > big corporations, they'd rather buy $400 machines to save money up=20 > front. > It amuses and frustrates me how quickly they'll approve some enterprise > software @ $2500/seat. They keep their Wintel admin costs low by=20 > locking the > machines down so tight that a typical user can't even change the=20 > date/time. > > Hmm. I'm just ranting here. I'll shut up now. ;) > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > Very truly yours, Michael R. Hoffmann NOTICE: This e-mail (including any attachments) is covered by the=20 electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC =A7=A72510-2521, is=20 confidential and may contain attorney-client materials and/or attorney=20 work product, legally privileged and protected from disclosure. This=20 e-mail is intended for the addressee named above. If you are not the=20 intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,=20 dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is=20 strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender advising that you have=20 received this message in error, then delete it and all copies of it.=20 Thank you. Iowa Workers Compensation Law --Apple-Mail-18--181755964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mac's are all we use in our office. Been using them since 85. Mike On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:09 PM, cdtyrrell@mchsi.com wrote: I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living with=20 Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID,=20 Oracle Server, etc.) No Macs here "on the stagecoach" (you guess who the company is). Like other big corporations, they'd rather buy $400 machines to save money up front.=20 It amuses and frustrates me how quickly they'll approve some enterprise=20 software @ $2500/seat. They keep their Wintel admin costs low by locking the machines down so tight that a typical user can't even change the date/time. Hmm. I'm just ranting here. I'll shut up now. ;) Chris _______________________________________________ Dmmug mailing list Use this Address to send mail to the list: Dmmug@dmmug.org Use this page to modify subscription options: http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug GenevaVery truly yours, Michael R. Hoffmann NOTICE: This e-mail (including any attachments) is covered by the electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC =A7=A72510-2521, is confidential and may contain attorney-client materials and/or attorney work product, legally privileged and protected from disclosure. This e-mail is intended for the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender advising that you have received this message in error, then delete it and all copies of it. Thank you. 0000,0000,FFFFIowa Workers Compensation Law --Apple-Mail-18--181755964-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 20:30:01 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (=?iso-8859-1?B?a2Nyb3VjaA==?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:30:01 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise Message-ID: <20050413193001.9326.qmail@server284.com> Correction Chris. Beside your unauthorized iBook, there are 20 Macs riding on the stagecoach (marketing and such). And just a few months ago they were all running a different version of Mac OS. The 'Powers-that-be' are now allowing those few Mac users to standardize on one version of OS. Only 20 Macs in a sea of thousands of PCs. And quit knocking the $2500/seat software. Some of us need WebSphere. Even though Eclipse is basically the same thing for free. Kendall -------Original Message------- > From: cdtyrrell@mchsi.com > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise > Sent: 13 Apr 2005 18:09:31 > > > I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living with > > Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, > > Oracle Server, etc.) > > No Macs here "on the stagecoach" (you guess who the company is). Like other > big corporations, they'd rather buy $400 machines to save money up front. > It amuses and frustrates me how quickly they'll approve some enterprise > software @ $2500/seat. They keep their Wintel admin costs low by locking the > machines down so tight that a typical user can't even change the date/time. > > Hmm. I'm just ranting here. I'll shut up now. ;) > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------Original Message------- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 21:03:22 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:03:22 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: References: <1bcf4c5af5c800bf610eb61e6408153f@dreamscapevisionery.com> Message-ID: <1e607f13f1772ce1f87947b3ceb78632@dreamscapevisionery.com> For permissions, yes. Any file of any type can lead you to problems there. For forks and hidden files, only worrying about data and image files, I wouldn't be too concerned. You only need to clone if you're need absolute integrity insurance or a bootable volume. A good test, although beyond what most would consider performing, is to FTP files one machine to another and see what breaks. You might be surprised. Chris VC On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > Is this true of data files and images such as JPG or TIFF? I know that > is for programs. > >> Drag and drop will lead to numerous problems for backup, mostly >> related to permissions and forks, but you also miss key hidden files. >> The drive should be cloned. I have had the most success with rSync X. >> >> Chris VC >> >> On Apr 12, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: >> >>>>> My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall his >>>>> OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making it >>>>> unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk Mode. >>>>> He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will he have >>>>> trouble with the data from the users directory being usable if he >>>>> needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and drop to a second >>>>> HD on the G5? I would tend to think that a backup program such >>>>> as Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, Super >>>> Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big discussion on >>>> another list... >>> >>> Victoria, >>> >>> Yes, I have been reading about the alternatives. To clarify my >>> question is really about whether drag-and-drop will work or if he >>> should clone it. >>> >>> That said--for my uses CCC works well although I understand its >>> limits. I might try Apple Backup and see how it works. >>> >>> Is that other discussion the one on Mac-L or is it another one? >>> -- >>> Ray >>> >>> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >>> Fourth Tues of the month. >>> See >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 23:18:18 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:18:18 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apple's 2nd Quarter results great Message-ID: --============_-1098691794==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" CUPERTINO, Calif., April 13, 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Apple(R) today announced financial results for its fiscal 2005 second quarter ended March 26, 2005. For the quarter, the Company posted a net profit of $290 million, or $.34 per diluted share. These results compare to a net profit of $46 million, or $.06 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Revenue for the quarter was $3.24 billion, up 70 percent from the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 29.8 percent, up from 27.8 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 40 percent of the quarter's revenue. Apple shipped 1,070,000 Macintosh(R) units and 5,311,000 iPods during the quarter, representing a 43 percent increase in CPU units and a 558 percent increase in iPods over the year-ago quarter. "We are delighted to report a record second quarter for Apple in both revenue and earnings," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "Apple is firing on all cylinders and we have some incredible new products in the pipeline for the coming year, starting with Mac OS X Tiger later this month." "We're very pleased to report 70 percent revenue growth and a 530 percent increase in net income," said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple's CFO. "Looking ahead to the third quarter of fiscal 2005, we expect revenue of about $3.25 billion and earnings per diluted share of about $.28." Apple will provide live streaming of its Q2 2005 financial results conference call utilizing QuickTime(TM), Apple's standards-based technology for live and on-demand audio and video streaming. The live webcast will begin at 2:00 p.m. PDT on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq205/ and will also be available for replay. The QuickTime player is available free for Macintosh and Windows users at www.apple.com/quicktime. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. --============_-1098691794==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Apple's 2nd Quarter results great
CUPERTINO, Calif., April 13, 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Apple(R) today announced financial results for its fiscal 2005 second quarter ended March 26, 2005. For the quarter, the Company posted a net profit of $290 million, or $.34 per diluted share. These results compare to a net profit of $46 million, or $.06 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Revenue for the quarter was $3.24 billion, up 70 percent from the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 29.8 percent, up from 27.8 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 40 percent of the quarter's revenue.

 Apple shipped 1,070,000 Macintosh(R) units and 5,311,000 iPods during the quarter, representing a 43 percent increase in CPU units and a 558 percent increase in iPods over the year-ago quarter.

 "We are delighted to report a record second quarter for Apple in both revenue and earnings," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "Apple is firing on all cylinders and we have some incredible new products in the pipeline for the coming year, starting with Mac OS X Tiger later this month."

 "We're very pleased to report 70 percent revenue growth and a 530 percent increase in net income," said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple's CFO. "Looking ahead to the third quarter of fiscal 2005, we expect revenue of about $3.25 billion and earnings per diluted share of about $.28."

 Apple will provide live streaming of its Q2 2005 financial results conference call utilizing QuickTime(TM), Apple's standards-based technology for live and on-demand audio and video streaming. The live webcast will begin at 2:00 p.m. PDT on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq205/ and will also be available for replay. The QuickTime player is available free for Macintosh and Windows users at www.apple.com/quicktime.
--
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.
--============_-1098691794==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 23:27:10 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:27:10 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] OS X drag and drop In-Reply-To: <1e607f13f1772ce1f87947b3ceb78632@dreamscapevisionery.com> References: <1bcf4c5af5c800bf610eb61e6408153f@dreamscapevisionery.com> <1e607f13f1772ce1f87947b3ceb78632@dreamscapevisionery.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I was aware of it for a bootable volume but not sure about some of the other things. I wish I had the resources to try the FTP experiment. I know that I have had some strange experiences even when booting from a clone. >For permissions, yes. Any file of any type can lead you to problems >there. For forks and hidden files, only worrying about data and >image files, I wouldn't be too concerned. You only need to clone if >you're need absolute integrity insurance or a bootable volume. A >good test, although beyond what most would consider performing, is >to FTP files one machine to another and see what breaks. You might >be surprised. > >Chris VC > >On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > >>Is this true of data files and images such as JPG or TIFF? I know >>that is for programs. >> >>>Drag and drop will lead to numerous problems for backup, mostly >>>related to permissions and forks, but you also miss key hidden >>>files. The drive should be cloned. I have had the most success >>>with rSync X. >>> >>>Chris VC >>> >>>On Apr 12, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Ray Bowler wrote: >>> >>>>>>My brother in law has been told by Apple service to reinstall >>>>>>his OS on a G5 to try to solve some problems which are making >>>>>>it unusable. He is trying to backup his data using Target Disk >>>>>>Mode. He is using drag-and-drop. I believe the OS is 10.3. Will >>>>>>he have trouble with the data from the users directory being >>>>>>usable if he needs it or is this all right? Could he drag and >>>>>>drop to a second HD on the G5? I would tend to think that a >>>>>>backup program such as Apple Backup or CCC would be safer. >>>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>Other options that work better than CCC these days: MimMac, >>>>>Super Duper, and I can get more ideas == this is a big >>>>>discussion on another list... >>>> >>>>Victoria, >>>> >>>>Yes, I have been reading about the alternatives. To clarify my >>>>question is really about whether drag-and-drop will work or if he >>>>should clone it. >>>> >>>>That said--for my uses CCC works well although I understand its >>>>limits. I might try Apple Backup and see how it works. >>>> >>>>Is that other discussion the one on Mac-L or is it another one? >>>>-- >>>>Ray >>>> >>>>Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >>>>Fourth Tues of the month. >>>>See >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Dmmug mailing list >>>>Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>>Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>>Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Dmmug mailing list >>>Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>>Dmmug@dmmug.org >>>Use this page to modify subscription options: >>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> >>-- >>Ray >> >>Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >>Fourth Tues of the month. >>See >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Dmmug mailing list >>Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>Dmmug@dmmug.org >>Use this page to modify subscription options: >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Use this Address to send mail to the list: >Dmmug@dmmug.org >Use this page to modify subscription options: >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 13 23:47:57 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:47:57 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <20050413114951.25291.qmail@server284.com> References: <20050413114951.25291.qmail@server284.com> Message-ID: >If it angers you so, let the DSM schools know. If you're a taxpayer >in the DSM school district, then let YOUR school board know how you >feel. We all pay taxes to school districts. We should all let our >schools know the tragedy of loosing Macs to Microsoft. > >Kendall I agree = and have over these many years more than once and two board members are good friends...it's useless or worse. Not sure what to do now. It's a fight = just ask Holly what a pain in the rear end it was to spend NON DSM money on Macs....the IT and supplies folks are rabid haters. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 00:03:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Eller) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:03:15 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: <20050413114951.25291.qmail@server284.com> Message-ID: <9ae80777a831fcad9c15445a2852b754@mac.com> and holly has managed to get, what? something like eighteen machines, and they STILL won't let those kids have access to the internet with them. it's criminal. meanwhile, they recently pushed out a combination of 160 security updates for windows. how much time and taxpayer money is wasted with windows upkeep are figures that will never see the light of day. On Apr 13, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> If it angers you so, let the DSM schools know. If you're a taxpayer >> in the DSM school district, then let YOUR school board know how you >> feel. We all pay taxes to school districts. We should all let our >> schools know the tragedy of loosing Macs to Microsoft. >> >> Kendall > > I agree = and have over these many years more than once and two board > members are good friends...it's useless or worse. Not sure what to do > now. It's a fight = just ask Holly what a pain in the rear end it was > to spend NON DSM money on Macs....the IT and supplies folks are rabid > haters. > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ; Travel research and > planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 00:25:58 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Holly Welch) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:25:58 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <9ae80777a831fcad9c15445a2852b754@mac.com> References: <20050413114951.25291.qmail@server284.com> <9ae80777a831fcad9c15445a2852b754@mac.com> Message-ID: <7ef1fdca10b517134f2b65d234ee2c2b@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-6--163910940 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yes, I now have 25 Macs that aren't allowed on the internet. We are doing fine without the district helping us. If they would rather not encourage higher level thinking and higher productivity, so be it. As long as they can bubble in the right answers on the ITBS...what else matters? I saved a copy of the letter explaining that the Windoze XP's are 160 security updates behind. This is a matter of closed minds. On Apr 13, 2005, at 6:03 PM, John Eller wrote: > and holly has managed to get, what? something like eighteen machines, > and they STILL won't let those kids have access to the internet with > them. it's criminal. meanwhile, they recently pushed out a > combination of 160 security updates for windows. > > how much time and taxpayer money is wasted with windows upkeep are > figures that will never see the light of day. > > On Apr 13, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > >>> If it angers you so, let the DSM schools know. If you're a taxpayer >>> in the DSM school district, then let YOUR school board know how you >>> feel. We all pay taxes to school districts. We should all let our >>> schools know the tragedy of loosing Macs to Microsoft. >>> >>> Kendall >> >> I agree = and have over these many years more than once and two board >> members are good friends...it's useless or worse. Not sure what to >> do now. It's a fight = just ask Holly what a pain in the rear end it >> was to spend NON DSM money on Macs....the IT and supplies folks are >> rabid haters. >> -- >> Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & >> Employment Law, ; Travel research and >> planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, >> 515-255-4475. >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug --Apple-Mail-6--163910940 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yes, I now have 25 Macs that aren't allowed on the internet. We are doing fine without the district helping us. If they would rather not encourage higher level thinking and higher productivity, so be it. As long as they can bubble in the right answers on the ITBS...what else matters? I saved a copy of the letter explaining that the Windoze XP's are 05CA,007A,0200160FFFF,1514,587C security updates behind. This is a matter of closed minds. On Apr 13, 2005, at 6:03 PM, John Eller wrote: and holly has managed to get, what? something like eighteen machines, and they STILL won't let those kids have access to the internet with them. it's criminal. meanwhile, they recently pushed out a combination of 160 security updates for windows. how much time and taxpayer money is wasted with windows upkeep are figures that will never see the light of day. On Apr 13, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: If it angers you so, let the DSM schools know. If you're a taxpayer in the DSM school district, then let YOUR school board know how you feel. We all pay taxes to school districts. We should all let our schools know the tragedy of loosing Macs to Microsoft. Kendall I agree = and have over these many years more than once and two board members are good friends...it's useless or worse. Not sure what to do now. It's a fight = just ask Holly what a pain in the rear end it was to spend NON DSM money on Macs....the IT and supplies folks are rabid haters. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, <; Travel research and planning, <; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. _______________________________________________ Dmmug mailing list Use this Address to send mail to the list: Dmmug@dmmug.org Use this page to modify subscription options: http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug _______________________________________________ Dmmug mailing list Use this Address to send mail to the list: Dmmug@dmmug.org Use this page to modify subscription options: http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug --Apple-Mail-6--163910940-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 00:06:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Agness S. 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I'm staying in West Des Moines -- =20= for those of you who visit Craig's List, I'm the same person who's =20 selling all the IKEA stuff and CRT monitors. * http://www.technotoad.com/build.php?tt_page=3Darticle&article=3D24 http://macmod.com/component/option,com_simpleboard/Itemid,29/func,view/=20= catid,10/id,3470/ =95=96-=95=97=95-=97=95=95 =97-=95 -=97=95=96=95 www.hibernium.com "free web design for NPOs" =95=96-=95=97-=95--=95 -=95 -=97=95=96=95=95 www.hibernium.com "bring back the barter microeconomy"= From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 04:36:52 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:36:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <20050413193001.9326.qmail@server284.com> References: <20050413193001.9326.qmail@server284.com> Message-ID: <61aeeea25e0855b695c75ad770de2320@mchsi.com> Unauthorized! LOL You'd be surprised at the acceptance it's received. My boss, and his boss, and his boss have all stopped by to oooh and aahh. They kinda like that I use my down-time (waiting on a data warehouse query to return or a load to complete) to work on my shareware and keep my C++ in the forefront of my mind, even if it is Carbon. Others would use this time surfing or ... Of course, I still can't plug it into the company network, but it's a short walk to the Kaleidoscope WiFi zone. I gotta wonder...is there a Mac equivalent of some of the BI tools we use (Brio/BO/Crystal)? Is there an opportunity for an enterprising developer here? Chris On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:30 PM, kcrouch wrote: > Correction Chris. Beside your unauthorized iBook, there are 20 Macs > riding on the stagecoach (marketing and such). And just a few months > ago they were all running a different version of Mac OS. The > 'Powers-that-be' are now allowing those few Mac users to standardize > on one version of OS. Only 20 Macs in a sea of thousands of PCs. > > And quit knocking the $2500/seat software. Some of us need WebSphere. > Even though Eclipse is basically the same thing for free. > > Kendall > > -------Original Message------- >> From: cdtyrrell@mchsi.com >> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise >> Sent: 13 Apr 2005 18:09:31 >> >>> I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living >>> with >>> Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, >>> Oracle Server, etc.) >> >> No Macs here "on the stagecoach" (you guess who the company is). >> Like other >> big corporations, they'd rather buy $400 machines to save money up >> front. >> It amuses and frustrates me how quickly they'll approve some >> enterprise >> software @ $2500/seat. They keep their Wintel admin costs low by >> locking the >> machines down so tight that a typical user can't even change the >> date/time. >> >> Hmm. I'm just ranting here. I'll shut up now. ;) >> >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -------Original Message------- > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 04:40:26 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:40:26 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Powermac G3 desktop with monitor and keyboard....and software?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59887cd8ca9fe4e5e7e70bf414098057@mchsi.com> Hmm. What would you take for it? My kids' old Performa just doesn't cut it anymore. On Apr 12, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > I still have one of these and would like to either sell it or give it > to charity. If anyone has an interest, could you email me or call me > directly??? It's taking up room!! Springcleaning time. The software > would be all types of pre-OSX software for Macs. Not alot, but it's > gathering dust here. > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ; Travel research and > planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 04:55:11 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:55:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] printers In-Reply-To: <6500c8940d3f5a330a962eca031611c6@dreamscapevisionery.com> References: <6500c8940d3f5a330a962eca031611c6@dreamscapevisionery.com> Message-ID: <125d5837ec951bd9668728807270fd08@earthlink.net> Laser is the best option for black and white printing. HP has a great lineup of inexpensive lasers. The 1160 also comes with a duplex option and costs less than $400. That's a great price! Of course the 1012 costs even less. HP is also the best choice for a low-use inkjet with Canon close behind. HP isn't the best for color accuracy (as a designer would need) but I've been happy with a home application. HP, and I believe Canon, also offer replaceable ink carts (or head units) that contain the actual print heads--no clogging. Epson believes in having users replace their printers every 2 years. They do have the corner on the market for color accuracy and resolution though. If you wanted an older HP inkjet that works in a classic Mac (Apple serial) and takes cheaper cartridges, I have a source. E-mail me directly. Matthew On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:22 AM, Chris Van Cleve wrote: > Yes, that would be your best bet. I am often amazed at what shaking a > toner cartridge can do. ;) > > If she goes weeks between print jobs, with a bubblejet printer you > risk permanent clogging of the heads (beyond what even super cleaning > can cure). Replacement of the heads are usually nearly as costly as a > new printer. I'd go with the low cost laser in this scenario. > > Chris VC > > On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:08 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> One of my daughters seldom uses her printer(weeks between uses). At >> present it is a dot-matrix printer but it is starting to act up on >> her. I have an Eson ink jet I could give her but I am afraid she >> would use all of her ink cleaning it. Would one of the low cost >> lasers be better? As I recall taking the toner cartridge out and >> shaking it seemed to correct a lot of problems. >> >> -- >> Ray >> >> Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group >> Fourth Tues of the month. >> See >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 04:59:56 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:59:56 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Backup Software info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Each time SD! has failed for me I found that the drive (or bridge--the chipset that an external drive plugs into) needed to have the firmware updated. I never buy from a vendor that I cannot track for software/firmware udpates and support. Two faves: LaCie and OWC. Matthew On Apr 12, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: > SuperDuper is highly regarded - it will Clone then will restart from > the new clone so you'll know if it's okay or not = I did have it not > work about a week ago, but have not tracked it down and don't think > you need to take that as a negative... > From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 12:04:11 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:04:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Backup Software info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Each time SD! has failed for me I found that the drive (or >bridge--the chipset that an external drive plugs into) needed to >have the firmware updated. I never buy from a vendor that I cannot >track for software/firmware udpates and support. Two faves: LaCie >and OWC. That's good to know. It was backing up to a LaCie...I haven't had time yet but there is a Firmware to be applied, so I'll try that. The problem of course is that data on THAT drive should be put in safe place just in case update of firmware goes bad -- but the stuff on that drive is too big to move somewhere else [which is why I got the thing - 500G] and yet I don't want to risk it being lost...Thus, the conundrum. I may risk it anyway, but not time yet. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 14 22:15:54 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:15:54 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store Message-ID: THought I'd pass it on: Begin forwarded message: > From: Jordan Creek > Date: April 14, 2005 3:52:17 PM CDT > To: president@dmmug.org > Subject: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store > > Great News! > > Apple has announced that Tiger, the newest version of OS X is going to > be released April 29th at 6 p.m. > > You probably already knew that but your friends at the Jordan Creek > Apple Store just wanted make sure you also knew about the fun things > that are going to be going on at the store that day. Please Join us > for a Tiger World Premiere Event! Win a PowerBook G4, an iPod or > other prizes. Attend the premiere event for a hands-on introduction > to Tiger. With over 200 new features, it's the most advanced Mac > operating system ever! > > For more information, visit http://apple.com/retail/jordancreek > > > > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 01:11:08 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:11:08 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5b8b6fbeea6f79b68f2a4a23eed1c7f9@mac.com> All they have listed for that day is this: Friday, April 29th 12:00 p.m. - 1:00 p.m. iMovie HD Workshop Making and editing digital videos is easy and fun. We=92ll show you how=20= to edit your digital footage in iMovie, and introduce you to some of=20 its latest, most innovative tools =97 including a timeline where clips=20= automatically snap into place. (Workshop) 4:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. iPod and iTunes Workshop Not sure why'd they invite us to visit the site while it's not updated. Darcy On Apr 14, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > THought I'd pass it on: > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Jordan Creek >> Date: April 14, 2005 3:52:17 PM CDT >> To: president@dmmug.org >> Subject: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store >> >> Great News! >> >> Apple has announced that Tiger, the newest version of OS X is going=20= >> to be released April 29th at 6 p.m. >> >> You probably already knew that but your friends at the Jordan Creek=20= >> Apple Store just wanted make sure you also knew about the fun things=20= >> that are going to be going on at the store that day. Please Join us=20= >> for a Tiger World Premiere Event! Win a PowerBook G4, an iPod or=20 >> other prizes. Attend the premiere event for a hands-on introduction=20= >> to Tiger. With over 200 new features, it's the most advanced Mac=20 >> operating system ever! >> >> For more information, visit http://apple.com/retail/jordancreek= From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 03:33:31 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:33:31 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Speculative Specifications on new Powermacs at Thinksecret Message-ID: <9d0e094c2c914709fc0084f16f058815@mac.com> Well, in a nutshell, they say the new line will look like this: > Dual-2GHz > 512K L2 cache per processor > Dual 1GHz frontside buses > 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (4GB max.) > 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive > 128MB DDR SDRAM ATI Radeon 9600 video card > > > Dual-2.3GHz > 512K L2 cache per processor > Dual 1.15GHz frontside buses > 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (8GB max.) > 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive > 128MB DDR SDRAM ATI Radeon 9600 video card > > > Dual-2.7GHz > 512K L2 cache per processor > Dual 1.35GHz frontside buses > 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (8GB max.) > 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive > 256MB DDR SDRAM ATI Radeon 9650 video card > Apparently, the water cooling thing is gone (longevity issues). The video card selection looks very odd to me, and it would be a shame if they didn't update the type of RAM that was used. During the conference call for the quarterly financials, the apple people said that they expected production of the G5 chip to remain constrained - especially at the high end - though the end of Q2 05. It's supposed to be announced at NAB and ship alongside Tiger at the end of the month. If they pull a big surprise and come out with the 970MX instead of the 970GX that I'm expecting, I will do a little happy dance and finally forgive SJ for that whopping 3.0GHz lie. What do you guys think? - bailey From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 06:17:18 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:17:18 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Speculative Specifications on new Powermacs at Thinksecret In-Reply-To: <9d0e094c2c914709fc0084f16f058815@mac.com> References: <9d0e094c2c914709fc0084f16f058815@mac.com> Message-ID: Bailey, Could you elaborate on this? Have there been problems? I'm also curious about what a "970MX" and a "970GX" are, but I figure it's one of those "if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand it anyway" things. Finally, am I correct that only new PowerMacs are expected at this time? Is there any rumor of "whither iMac/eMac"? Thanks, John Kisner On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > Apparently, the water cooling thing is gone (longevity issues). From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 06:57:01 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:57:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Speculative Specifications on new Powermacs at Thinksecret In-Reply-To: References: <9d0e094c2c914709fc0084f16f058815@mac.com> Message-ID: Sure... you want me to elaborate on the water cooling system going away? The current dual 2.5 GHz machine uses this liquid cooling system. The new machines will not use this system. One of the rumors said that the cooling system was only rated to last 2.5 years, but I think only time will tell on that one. I have not heard of it being a big issue to date. Just in general though, I'd rather keep all the wet stuff away from thousands of dollars of very-not-waterproof computer chips. It is presumed that Apple would prefer not to use liquid cooling to keep costs down. Why don't the new systems need liquid cooling? Because they are using a new chip. The current G5 Powermacs use the IBM 970FX chip. The next round of machines is supposed to use the 970GX or 970MP - which are the single and dual core versions of iteration 3 of the 970. When I talk about a chip being dual core, it means it basically has 2 CPUs together on the same chip. Using 2 of these chips would give you 4 processing units working in tandem to totally kick some data processing butt. The same rumor page (www.thinksecret.com) says that iMacs will get updates to 2.0 GHz and that the eMac will get a boost too. It is really easy to get swept away by such specific predictions, but these are just rumors. Starting to get exciting though... -bailey On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:17 AM, John Kisner wrote: > Bailey, > > Could you elaborate on this? Have there been problems? > > I'm also curious about what a "970MX" and a "970GX" are, but I figure > it's one of those "if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand it > anyway" things. > > Finally, am I correct that only new PowerMacs are expected at this > time? Is there any rumor of "whither iMac/eMac"? > > Thanks, > > John Kisner > > On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > >> Apparently, the water cooling thing is gone (longevity issues). > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 12:42:25 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (=?iso-8859-1?B?a2Nyb3VjaA==?=) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:42:25 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store Message-ID: <20050415114225.20159.qmail@server284.com> Look in the upper right hand corner of the page. They talk about the special event there. Kendall -------Original Message------- > From: "Darcy Baston" > Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store > Sent: 15 Apr 2005 00:11:08 > > All they have listed for that day is this: > > Friday, April 29th > 12:00 p.m. - 1:00 p.m. iMovie HD Workshop > Making and editing digital videos is easy and fun. We’ll show you how > to edit your digital footage in iMovie, and introduce you to some of > its latest, most innovative tools — including a timeline where clips > automatically snap into place. (Workshop) > 4:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. iPod and iTunes Workshop > > Not sure why'd they invite us to visit the site while it's not updated. > > Darcy > > On Apr 14, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > > > THought I'd pass it on: > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Jordan Creek > >> Date: April 14, 2005 3:52:17 PM CDT > >> To: president@dmmug.org > >> Subject: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store > >> > >> Great News! > >> > >> Apple has announced that Tiger, the newest version of OS X is going > >> to be released April 29th at 6 p.m. > >> > >> You probably already knew that but your friends at the Jordan Creek > >> Apple Store just wanted make sure you also knew about the fun things > >> that are going to be going on at the store that day.  Please Join us > >> for a Tiger World Premiere Event!  Win a PowerBook G4, an iPod or > >> other prizes.  Attend the premiere event for a hands-on introduction > >> to Tiger.  With over 200 new features, it's the most advanced Mac > >> operating system ever! > >> > >> For more information, visit http://apple.com/retail/jordancreek > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug -------Original Message------- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 13:25:27 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:25:27 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: Tiger Release at Jordan Creek Apple Store In-Reply-To: <20050415114225.20159.qmail@server284.com> References: <20050415114225.20159.qmail@server284.com> Message-ID: <381e61c1ec59ebda6ee385f3c73290f8@mac.com> Heh, that little blurb says little more than the e-mail. :) I was looking for "more" information. Darcy On Apr 15, 2005, at 6:42 AM, kcrouch wrote: > Look in the upper right hand corner of the page. They talk about the > special event there. > > Kendall From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 15 14:28:56 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:28:56 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <61aeeea25e0855b695c75ad770de2320@mchsi.com> References: <20050413193001.9326.qmail@server284.com> <61aeeea25e0855b695c75ad770de2320@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Look into Cognos. It's the best BI enterprise reporting tool in existence, IMNSHO. The front end is 100% web based and works fine on a Mac. Most reporting can be done from the web interface with their new reportNet architecture. Only reports that need to be prettified require Windows for the Impromptu thick client, and future versions are supposed to eliminate that as well. We are killing off Crystal ReportSmith and other reporting tools in favor of Cognos. It's simply better than the rest. Chris On Apr 13, 2005, at 10:36 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > Unauthorized! LOL > > You'd be surprised at the acceptance it's received. My boss, and his > boss, and his boss have all stopped by to oooh and aahh. They kinda > like that I use my down-time (waiting on a data warehouse query to > return or a load to complete) to work on my shareware and keep my C++ > in the forefront of my mind, even if it is Carbon. Others would use > this time surfing or ... > > Of course, I still can't plug it into the company network, but it's a > short walk to the Kaleidoscope WiFi zone. > > I gotta wonder...is there a Mac equivalent of some of the BI tools we > use (Brio/BO/Crystal)? Is there an opportunity for an enterprising > developer here? > > > Chris > > On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:30 PM, kcrouch wrote: > >> Correction Chris. Beside your unauthorized iBook, there are 20 Macs >> riding on the stagecoach (marketing and such). And just a few months >> ago they were all running a different version of Mac OS. The >> 'Powers-that-be' are now allowing those few Mac users to standardize >> on one version of OS. Only 20 Macs in a sea of thousands of PCs. >> >> And quit knocking the $2500/seat software. Some of us need WebSphere. >> Even though Eclipse is basically the same thing for free. >> >> Kendall >> >> -------Original Message------- >>> From: cdtyrrell@mchsi.com >>> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Apples in the Enterprise >>> Sent: 13 Apr 2005 18:09:31 >>> >>>> I'm curious how many of us are using Macs at work, make our living >>>> with >>>> Macs, and/or are using Enterprise level Macs (XServe, XServe RAID, >>>> Oracle Server, etc.) >>> >>> No Macs here "on the stagecoach" (you guess who the company is). >>> Like other >>> big corporations, they'd rather buy $400 machines to save money up >>> front. >>> It amuses and frustrates me how quickly they'll approve some >>> enterprise >>> software @ $2500/seat. They keep their Wintel admin costs low by >>> locking the >>> machines down so tight that a typical user can't even change the >>> date/time. >>> >>> Hmm. I'm just ranting here. I'll shut up now. ;) >>> >>> >>> Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dmmug mailing list >>> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >>> Dmmug@dmmug.org >>> Use this page to modify subscription options: >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> -------Original Message------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> >> > > Cheers, > Chris > > > "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a > reflection of reality or consciousness." > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 16 16:52:18 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Thompson) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:52:18 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs on the Radio Message-ID: <317ec8aa34281bf017e65fc405959b61@mac-consultant.com> I don't think this has been announced on the list yet... Wayne Davis (from Digital Arts Group) and I will be guests on WHO Radio's "The Wise Guys" between 12:15 and 2 PM today. We will be talking about Macs. -- Jon Thompson Jon Thompson Consulting jon@mac-consultant.com (515) 360-0250 From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Apr 17 15:05:28 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:05:28 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs on the Radio In-Reply-To: <317ec8aa34281bf017e65fc405959b61@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: So how did it go? On 4/16/05 10:52 AM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: > I don't think this has been announced on the list yet... > > Wayne Davis (from Digital Arts Group) and I will be guests on WHO > Radio's "The Wise Guys" between 12:15 and 2 PM today. We will be > talking about Macs. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Apr 17 17:06:45 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Russ Carlson) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:06:45 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs on the Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I listened to the entire program and thought they both did a good job. Russ Carlson On Apr 17, 2005, at 9:05 AM, jim lagnese wrote: > So how did it go? > > > On 4/16/05 10:52 AM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: > >> I don't think this has been announced on the list yet... >> >> Wayne Davis (from Digital Arts Group) and I will be guests on WHO >> Radio's "The Wise Guys" between 12:15 and 2 PM today. We will be >> talking about Macs. > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sun Apr 17 20:05:39 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Thompson) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:05:39 -0400 Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs on the Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b7ef58a2268c98d39bae4943225db69@mac-consultant.com> Thanks Russ. Wayne and I both had a lot of fun doing it. It was a bit different than I expected, with the focus on discussion, not on really helping callers. Hopefully, we informed a few people about Macs. -- Jon Thompson Jon Thompson Consulting jon@mac-consultant.com (515) 360-0250 On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Russ Carlson wrote: > I listened to the entire program and thought they both did a good job. > > Russ Carlson > On Apr 17, 2005, at 9:05 AM, jim lagnese wrote: > >> So how did it go? >> >> >> On 4/16/05 10:52 AM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: >> >>> I don't think this has been announced on the list yet... >>> >>> Wayne Davis (from Digital Arts Group) and I will be guests on WHO >>> Radio's "The Wise Guys" between 12:15 and 2 PM today. We will be >>> talking about Macs. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 00:12:14 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:12:14 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Macs on the Radio In-Reply-To: <7b7ef58a2268c98d39bae4943225db69@mac-consultant.com> Message-ID: Helping callers would be a change. On 4/17/05 2:05 PM, "Jon Thompson" wrote: > Thanks Russ. Wayne and I both had a lot of fun doing it. It was a bit > different than I expected, with the focus on discussion, not on really > helping callers. Hopefully, we informed a few people about Macs. From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 04:16:27 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:16:27 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Extracting/converting - DVD to .mov Message-ID: If a fellow wanted to take a DVD and convert portions to a .mov file, where would said fellow begin? Final Cut? FWIW, this wouldn't involve copyrighted material. Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 04:28:37 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Tyrrell) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:28:37 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Preparing for a drive upgrade Message-ID: <3c13e22b07a4d2a1bb2135a519936e2d@mchsi.com> I see that Best Buy has an 80 GB drive for $30 (after rebates of course) that would breathe some more life into my iMac DV. The plan is to copy the relevant stuff from my current 10 GB (running Panther) to an external 40 GB FireWire drive (former boot drive, Jaguar installed), swap the internal, install Panther, and then restore the aforementioned relevant stuff. But the relevant stuff is the sticky point (and this is one of the times I find myself pining for the simplicity of the pre-X days). It'd be nice to turn off the FireWire drive, as it's quite noisy. So, assuming applications, dev tools, and such can be reinstalled, I'll not bother with backing them up. Beyond that, would it be safe to simply copy /Users and restore from same in one swell foop, or is finer granularity necessary? Also, any thoughts/warnings regarding the drive replacement? I know someone (Kendall?) who did the same after getting over worries that a 7200 RPM drive generates more heat that the native 5400. Is that still working for you Kendall? Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 04:50:20 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matthew Wheeler) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:50:20 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Extracting/converting - DVD to .mov In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think Roxio's Popcorn (www.roxio.com/popcorn) would be a good start. There are probably 74 other "free" apps, but I like Popcorn, it's easy and cheap. Matthew On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > If a fellow wanted to take a DVD and convert portions to a .mov file, > where would said fellow begin? Final Cut? > > FWIW, this wouldn't involve copyrighted material. > > > Cheers, > Chris > > > "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a > reflection of reality or consciousness." > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 05:12:07 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matt W) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:12:07 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Preparing for a drive upgrade In-Reply-To: <3c13e22b07a4d2a1bb2135a519936e2d@mchsi.com> References: <3c13e22b07a4d2a1bb2135a519936e2d@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <2dfabacd62693aec1fa3b21ef97dc929@earthlink.net> On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > I see that Best Buy has an 80 GB drive for $30 (after rebates of > course) that would breathe some more life into my iMac DV. The plan is > to copy the relevant stuff from my current 10 GB (running Panther) to > an external 40 GB FireWire drive (former boot drive, Jaguar > installed), swap the internal, install Panther, and then restore the > aforementioned relevant stuff. But the relevant stuff is the sticky > point (and this is one of the times I find myself pining for the > simplicity of the pre-X days). It'd be nice to turn off the FireWire > drive, as it's quite noisy. > > So, assuming applications, dev tools, and such can be reinstalled, > I'll not bother with backing them up. Beyond that, would it be safe to > simply copy /Users and restore from same in one swell foop, or is > finer granularity necessary? > Generally, yes. It sounds like you're not squeamish about reinstalling all apps and the serials/activations that come along for the ride. There might be permissions issues, but you're probably all over that, right? > Also, any thoughts/warnings regarding the drive replacement? I know > someone (Kendall?) who did the same after getting over worries that a > 7200 RPM drive generates more heat that the native 5400. Is that still > working for you Kendall? > > The shipping, or OEM, drives were not 5400 RPM's but 4200's. Recent 7200 RPM drives will probably produce similar or less heat than the 4200's that came with the iMac. If you're not doing lots of video editing though, save your money and get a 5400 RPM drive or lower. My original 4200 RPM Maxtor failed in my iMac DV. I replaced it with a Western Digital 7200 RPM (one of the "JB" models with 3-yr warranty) and haven't looked back in 3 years. Matthew > Cheers, > Chris > > > "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a > reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 12:56:30 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:56:30 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Extracting/converting - DVD to .mov In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95b4a6717115edeae59fe0cfe826a8a2@mac.com> I use freeware called "Mac the Ripper". You can download it from here: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22715 It works really fast, even on my iBook. I haven't used it in about half a year so I don't quite recall what the workflow is, but I know I transcoded to mov or mpg using either Quicktime Pro or VLC (VideoLanClient http://www.videolan.org/). Darcy On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Chris Tyrrell wrote: > If a fellow wanted to take a DVD and convert portions to a .mov file, > where would said fellow begin? Final Cut? > > FWIW, this wouldn't involve copyrighted material. > > > Cheers, > Chris > > > "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a > reflection of reality or consciousness." > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 18 16:34:34 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:34:34 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] Preparing for a drive upgrade Message-ID: <041820051534.22214.4263D389000A3F6B000056C6219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> > Generally, yes. It sounds like you're not squeamish about reinstalling > all apps and the serials/activations that come along for the ride. > There might be permissions issues, but you're probably all over that, > right? No squeamishness here, and I can probably avoid SN problems by grabbing /Library/Application Support, as that's where we (developers) are expected to store serial numbers and the like. I suppose I'd also backup /Library/Preferences for global settings (Airport, print settings, etc). In both cases, I think I'd take a bit more care when restoring from these folders. Permissions? I've never bothered with them, so I'm not concerned there. > The shipping, or OEM, drives were not 5400 RPM's but 4200's. Recent > 7200 RPM drives will probably produce similar or less heat than the > 4200's that came with the iMac. If you're not doing lots of video > editing though, save your money and get a 5400 RPM drive or lower. My > original 4200 RPM Maxtor failed in my iMac DV. I replaced it with a > Western Digital 7200 RPM (one of the "JB" models with 3-yr warranty) > and haven't looked back in 3 years. I'm all for saving money, but I don't think I'm going to do better than $30 for 80 GB. If I can find a 5400 larger than 10 GB for next to nothing, I'd jump on it, especially if I can avoid the hassle of rebates. Cheers, Chris "The opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily a reflection of reality or consciousness." From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 19 16:31:44 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tim Earp) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:31:44 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Wireless on a 7300 Message-ID: <000901c544f4$e48a8740$270515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C544CA.FB9A4080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an old 7300 with a G3 upgrade. I'm wondering about PCI wireless = cards for this beast. Any recommendations? Are those USB wireless = solutions any good? I can get a usb pci card for it. On a side note, I have a PowerBook 1400 (upgraded to G3) that is = successfully accessing my wireless dsl service. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C544CA.FB9A4080-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 19 16:38:33 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Wireless on a 7300 In-Reply-To: <000901c544f4$e48a8740$270515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> Message-ID: Go to http://www.macwireless.com/ On 4/19/05 10:31 AM, "Tim Earp" wrote: > I have an old 7300 with a G3 upgrade. I'm wondering about PCI wireless cards > for this beast. Any recommendations? Are those USB wireless solutions any > good? I can get a usb pci card for it. > > On a side note, I have a PowerBook 1400 (upgraded to G3) that is successfully > accessing my wireless dsl service. Picked up the wireless card from eBay and > after some nasty searching and head-banging (not musically) found the correct > drivers for it. One step at a time. Now if I can get my 7300 up and running... > > Tim From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 19 16:35:41 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] Wireless on a 7300 In-Reply-To: <000901c544f4$e48a8740$270515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> References: <000901c544f4$e48a8740$270515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Tim Earp wrote: > I have an old 7300 with a G3 upgrade. I'm wondering about PCI wireless > cards for this beast. Any recommendations? Are those USB wireless > solutions any good? I can get a usb pci card for it. It would probably be easier to get a wireless bridge like a WET11 from Linksys. -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 19 17:59:09 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Matthew Wheeler) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:59:09 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Wireless on a 7300 In-Reply-To: References: <000901c544f4$e48a8740$270515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> Message-ID: <9ae6e53402b121754aba96825b43a9e7@technicalmac.com> Yes, the 10 Base-T built-in on the 7300 is more than adequate for broadband throughput, regardless of whether or not it's wireless. Matthew On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Tim Earp wrote: > >> I have an old 7300 with a G3 upgrade. I'm wondering about PCI >> wireless cards for this beast. Any recommendations? Are those USB >> wireless solutions any good? I can get a usb pci card for it. > > It would probably be easier to get a wireless bridge like a WET11 from > Linksys. > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > M. Wheeler TechnicalMac, Macintosh Consulting, Repair and Assistance W. Des Moines, IA mattw@technicalmac.com 515-453-APPL From dmmug@dmmug.org Tue Apr 19 19:15:21 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Tim Earp) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:15:21 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Wireless on a 7300 Message-ID: <001c01c5450b$bfe10880$270515ac@iowanetworkservices.net> This looks to be the best solution for me. Thank you all for your input. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Weis" To: "DM MUG" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Wireless on a 7300 > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Tim Earp wrote: > > > I have an old 7300 with a G3 upgrade. I'm wondering about PCI wireless > > cards for this beast. Any recommendations? Are those USB wireless > > solutions any good? I can get a usb pci card for it. > > It would probably be easier to get a wireless bridge like a WET11 from > Linksys. > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 20 14:55:11 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:55:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.9 Message-ID: <282069885c893a7823aa11f3c2f9185b@mac.com> Hey there muggers, 10.3.9 is out (as many of you know). As part of this, Safari seems to have gotten a fairly major update. Many of the 'under-the-hood' improvements that are going into Safari 2.0 in Tiger are included in this update. It seems much faster and apparently renders some pages that used to break the previous version. A few users have been reporting some JAVA issues, but all is well on my machine after the update for whatever that is worth. My personal, somewhat over-cautious practice for system updates from Apple is... 1) Repair permissions 2) Do the update 3) Repair permissions again. Since I started doing this, I have seen a great improvement in the number of permissions related issues. - bailey From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 20 15:18:00 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:18:00 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.9 In-Reply-To: <282069885c893a7823aa11f3c2f9185b@mac.com> References: <282069885c893a7823aa11f3c2f9185b@mac.com> Message-ID: Bailey, Thanks for the info, I always do the updates but I'm unclear as to what you mean when you say "repair permissions", could you share with a novice as to how this works? Thanks, Jon On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Bailey Ford wrote: > Hey there muggers, > > 10.3.9 is out (as many of you know). As part of this, Safari seems to > have gotten a fairly major update. Many of the 'under-the-hood' > improvements that are going into Safari 2.0 in Tiger are included in > this update. It seems much faster and apparently renders some pages > that used to break the previous version. A few users have been > reporting some JAVA issues, but all is well on my machine after the > update for whatever that is worth. > > My personal, somewhat over-cautious practice for system updates from > Apple is... > 1) Repair permissions 2) Do the update 3) Repair permissions again. > Since I started doing this, I have seen a great improvement in the > number of permissions related issues. > > - bailey > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 20 15:30:49 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:30:49 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: <282069885c893a7823aa11f3c2f9185b@mac.com> Message-ID: <32d346af0e1fc7a4765a828783a2d493@mac.com> sure! Repairing permissions is a piece of cake! From the Finder, just go to your utilities folder (Command-Shift-U) and open the disk utility application. On the left you'll see a list of drives and maybe disk images. Click once on your drive to select it, then click the repair permissions button. It's as easy as that. Your mac will then scan a bunch of files and folders to make sure their permissions are properly set and it will list any corrections that it makes. Please note that not all corrections in this list cause problems - many are benign. Also, this process of repairing can go on quite happily in the background while you are doing something else. Happy Macin' -b. On Apr 20, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Jon Engelhardt wrote: > Bailey, > > Thanks for the info, I always do the updates but I'm unclear as to > what you mean when you say "repair permissions", could you share with > a novice as to how this works? > > Thanks, > > Jon > On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Bailey Ford wrote: > >> Hey there muggers, >> >> 10.3.9 is out (as many of you know). As part of this, Safari seems to >> have gotten a fairly major update. Many of the 'under-the-hood' >> improvements that are going into Safari 2.0 in Tiger are included in >> this update. It seems much faster and apparently renders some pages >> that used to break the previous version. A few users have been >> reporting some JAVA issues, but all is well on my machine after the >> update for whatever that is worth. >> >> My personal, somewhat over-cautious practice for system updates from >> Apple is... >> 1) Repair permissions 2) Do the update 3) Repair permissions again. >> Since I started doing this, I have seen a great improvement in the >> number of permissions related issues. >> >> - bailey >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 20 18:11:42 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (dmmug@dmmug.org) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:11:42 +0000 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.9 Message-ID: <042020051711.10393.42668D4E0009F78400002899219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> > Safari seems to have gotten a fairly major update. In recent months, I've been seeing more and more pop-up windows getting through Safari's pop-up blocker, especially via DrudgeReport.com. Do you notice any improvement in that regard? Cheers, Chris From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 20 21:29:23 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:29:23 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.9 In-Reply-To: <042020051711.10393.42668D4E0009F78400002899219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> References: <042020051711.10393.42668D4E0009F78400002899219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <9bd4fcbc2a51c6d57681823ef261f47b@mac.com> To be honest, when I have seen pop-ups, it's because I've accidentally turned the blocker off :) I just went to drudgereport.com and clicked around a bit - no pop ups. For whatever that's worth. -b On Apr 20, 2005, at 12:11 PM, cdtyrrell@mchsi.com wrote: > > > >> Safari seems to have gotten a fairly major update. > > In recent months, I've been seeing more and more pop-up windows > getting through Safari's pop-up blocker, especially via > DrudgeReport.com. Do you notice any improvement in that regard? > > > Cheers, > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 20 22:35:06 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:35:06 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 10.3.9 In-Reply-To: <9bd4fcbc2a51c6d57681823ef261f47b@mac.com> References: <042020051711.10393.42668D4E0009F78400002899219791336304040A9D9D979B0B0C@mchsi.com> <9bd4fcbc2a51c6d57681823ef261f47b@mac.com> Message-ID: I've had some at some sites recently - I think some ad providers are skirting pop-up blockers by putting their pop-up code in flash files - I'm guessing that will be a new plague. On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Bailey Ford wrote: > To be honest, when I have seen pop-ups, it's because I've accidentally > turned the blocker off :) > > I just went to drudgereport.com and clicked around a bit - no pop ups. > For whatever that's worth. > > -b > > On Apr 20, 2005, at 12:11 PM, cdtyrrell@mchsi.com wrote: > >> >> >> >>> Safari seems to have gotten a fairly major update. >> >> In recent months, I've been seeing more and more pop-up windows >> getting through Safari's pop-up blocker, especially via >> DrudgeReport.com. Do you notice any improvement in that regard? >> >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 21 01:16:43 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:16:43 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [amesfug] OT: LANFEST Friday Message-ID: <41b0382e38b0c20786f35d45f1fc2468@mac.com> Thought I'd forward this item I got from Dave Champion over at the Linux Users Group: Hello everyone, Our semesterly LANFEST will be this Friday the 22nd at 7:00 PM until 3:00 AM in the Farm Bureau Pavilion next to Kildee. This semester we were able to get funding from LINC to purchase network equipment, games, and accessories. We will also be allowing anyone to attend (including non-Mac users), you do NOT need your membership dues paid. The event is totally FREE! Games will be whatever you bring to play, but we will have Unreal Tournament 2004, WarCraft III Battlechest, Doom III, and Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory as well as console systems. If you plan on bringing a system (laptop or desktop) please fill out the registration form at http://lanfest.amesmug.org/ ASAP so that you will be given space at the event. There are also directions to the pavilion at the site as well. If you don't have a system that is good enough to play the latest games, stop by and play with the machines on loan from Apple and AIT Sales or play xBox, PlayStation II, or GameCube. Visit: http://lanfest.amesmug.org for more information! If you can offer or need a ride, please post in the forums at http://boards.isumug.org/viewtopic.php?t=296 I hope to see you there! -- John Rearick President, AmesMUG president@amesmug.org www.amesmug.org -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 21 15:43:41 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:43:41 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [amesfug] OT: LANFEST Friday In-Reply-To: <41b0382e38b0c20786f35d45f1fc2468@mac.com> References: <41b0382e38b0c20786f35d45f1fc2468@mac.com> Message-ID: <13842233.1114094621263.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> I'd LOVE to go for some WCIII action. Anyone else going? Darcy On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 07:17PM, Bryan Baker wrote: >Thought I'd forward this item I got from Dave Champion over at the >Linux Users Group: > >Hello everyone, > >Our semesterly LANFEST will be this Friday the 22nd at 7:00 PM until >3:00 AM in the Farm Bureau Pavilion next to Kildee. This semester we >were able to get funding from LINC to purchase network equipment, >games, and accessories. We will also be allowing anyone to attend >(including non-Mac users), you do NOT need your membership dues paid. >The event is totally FREE! From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 21 16:23:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Thomas Lundvall) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:23:16 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Ebay: Vintage Apple Computer Red Tote w/ Rainbow Cloth Handle Message-ID: For anyone who might be interested, the person who is selling this Apple Tote bag happens to live in Des Moines. You probably could pick it up and not pay any shipping on it. Vintage Apple Computer Red Tote w/ Rainbow Cloth Handle http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5186714880 Starting bid: US $4.99=A0=A0 Tom Lundvall From dmmug@dmmug.org Thu Apr 21 17:56:29 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:56:29 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [amesfug] OT: LANFEST Friday In-Reply-To: <13842233.1114094621263.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> References: <41b0382e38b0c20786f35d45f1fc2468@mac.com> <13842233.1114094621263.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: <0f30f144a21b69be120ce4205e80a32b@mac.com> I really would like to go, but my wife's mom is visiting and I know we're going to be imposing on her for baby sitting at least one night here, so I don't know if this can happen for us. I'd really love to get our little GR posse together (including Jen) - anyway it looks like they try and do this once a semester, and I just approved a subscription to this list from John (welcome John!) so, hopefully he can keep us informed. :-) On Apr 21, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Darcy Baston wrote: > I'd LOVE to go for some WCIII action. Anyone else going? > > Darcy > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 07:17PM, Bryan Baker > wrote: > >> Thought I'd forward this item I got from Dave Champion over at the >> Linux Users Group: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> Our semesterly LANFEST will be this Friday the 22nd at 7:00 PM until >> 3:00 AM in the Farm Bureau Pavilion next to Kildee. This semester we >> were able to get funding from LINC to purchase network equipment, >> games, and accessories. We will also be allowing anyone to attend >> (including non-Mac users), you do NOT need your membership dues paid. >> The event is totally FREE! > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 22 23:41:40 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:41:40 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] ISynch Message-ID: Hi, I now have .mac for both of my computers as follows: iBook running 10.2.8 mini running 10.3.9 I have used iSynch to register each of them in the server, then synched them to the server. I cannot get either one to recognize that the other is a registered computer when I click the iDisk icon. I have tried with each of them having their iDisks mounted on the desktop and with the two networked together. What simple thing am I missing? TIA -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 23 03:50:01 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:50:01 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Broadcast Radio Debut Message-ID: <787a07561d5ae3628312d67295113583@mac.com> I'm going to have one of my tunes played on the radio tonight (as long as the DJ sticks to his playlist) in Sonoma, CA. They have live streaming so, if you want to catch the show here's the URL: http://69.104.229.178:8000/listen.pls <---should open in iTunes for streaming The show starts at 8pm PDST tonight (10pm CDST) so, about 10 min. My tune should be around 11pm here in IA. Just in case here's the station's main page: http://www.ksvy.org/ Here's direct show info for playlists (and he's put up MP3's of some past shows): http://www.virtualgarage.us/info.html -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 23 16:27:09 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:27:09 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Linux on a Mac Message-ID: Hey folks. I've just spent the last week or so trying different PPC Linux distributions on my iBook. I've settled with a distro called Ubuntu. It installed the easiest/quickest, has the best interface if you're new to Linux, and has had the least amount of quirks. If you'd like me to give a presentation at a future meeting, let me know! I can present what my experience with each distribution was like. Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 23 16:52:36 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:52:36 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Microsoft just can't stop using Macs! Message-ID: <6e51568cd6735642f41d3a7606e43df4@mac.com> Or at least their marketing partners won't. http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/5518/ Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 23 19:24:29 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:24:29 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Linux on a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I only get to 1 or 2 meetings a year, so discount the worth of my opinion accordingly. I've sat through some presentations at these meetings that are over my head or outside my field of interest, so in a sense a discussion of Linux wouldn't be that much different from a practical standpoint. But in the abstract, even though I'm not very interested in manipulating digital images on my Mac, "how to" info was something I could file away in the "maybe someday" cabinet. But the theoretical implications of a "how to" Linux presentation are enormous. Especially when considered a week before the release of Tiger. It would be downright subversive. On a practical level, perhaps it would be interesting to devote a meeting to using the Mac in a mixed environment. Networking issues, file sharing, etc. Many people need to run Windows programs, and it would be interesting to hear whether SoftPC (or whatever) really does the job (and how fast). I share a monitor between a Mac and a Gateway, for instance, and bought the Gateway because SoftPC seemed too slow and too buggy on my old G3. Maybe today's version is worth looking into. But frankly, I think I'd rather leave that stuff to my private research and pursuit... the meetings should be devoted to all things Macintosh. I will close with an unrelated observation. There will always be a tension between what the "professional" Mac people want to discuss at meetings and what the "amateurs" are interested in. The pros seem to go out of their way to use products outside the mainstream -- shareware, unix hacks, etc. I think this group does a good job trying to cater to both types of users, but think the best meetings find common ground between the groups. Tiger should provide ample opportunity for discussions that enlighten users of all stripes. I hope to be able to shake free to attend. John Kisner On Apr 23, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Darcy Baston wrote: > Hey folks. I've just spent the last week or so trying different PPC > Linux distributions on my iBook. I've settled with a distro called > Ubuntu. It installed the easiest/quickest, has the best interface if > you're new to Linux, and has had the least amount of quirks. If you'd > like me to give a presentation at a future meeting, let me know! I can > present what my experience with each distribution was like. > > Darcy > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 23 21:51:07 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] Linux on a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, John Kisner wrote: > On a practical level, perhaps it would be interesting to devote a meeting to > using the Mac in a mixed environment. Networking issues, file sharing, etc. > Many people need to run Windows programs, and it would be interesting to hear > whether SoftPC (or whatever) really does the job (and how fast). I share a > monitor between a Mac and a Gateway, for instance, and bought the Gateway > because SoftPC seemed too slow and too buggy on my old G3. Maybe today's > version is worth looking into. But frankly, I think I'd rather leave that > stuff to my private research and pursuit... the meetings should be devoted to > all things Macintosh. I will demonstrate any Linux/Windows/Mac interoperability that people would like to see. -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 06:36:27 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:36:27 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting reminder Message-ID: Reminder: DMMUG Meeting - 7:00pm, Tuesday night @ Haddock We were hoping last month that Tiger would be released and we could talk about that - well, that won't happen for a couple more days now (only missed by 3). We can still do a quick review about what some highlights are and why they're a big deal. Would folks like a quick talk about (UNIX) permissions? Of course in 10.4 we're about to get ACL's - but it still might help folks. -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 14:22:11 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:22:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <508bf2fad06b4e076bb01d727edd48fe@dreamscapevisionery.com> While ACLs are a good thing, to set them up properly a good understanding of Unix permissions is essential. I would think it would also prove beneficial to discuss the differences between raw permission setups and ACL setups, pros and cons both ways. Now if only I could attend... Chris VC On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:36 AM, Bryan Baker wrote: > Reminder: DMMUG Meeting - 7:00pm, Tuesday night @ Haddock > We were hoping last month that Tiger would be released and we could > talk about that - well, that won't happen for a couple more days now > (only missed by 3). > > We can still do a quick review about what some highlights are and why > they're a big deal. > Would folks like a quick talk about (UNIX) permissions? Of course in > 10.4 we're about to get ACL's - but it still might help folks. > > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 15:17:30 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:17:30 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8076877.1114438651007.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Plenty of people got their Tiger by mail already. Did nobody in the MUG preorder and got theirs early? Darcy On Monday, April 25, 2005, at 00:37AM, Bryan Baker wrote: >Reminder: DMMUG Meeting - 7:00pm, Tuesday night @ Haddock >We were hoping last month that Tiger would be released and we could >talk about that - well, that won't happen for a couple more days now >(only missed by 3). > >We can still do a quick review about what some highlights are and why >they're a big deal. >Would folks like a quick talk about (UNIX) permissions? Of course in >10.4 we're about to get ACL's - but it still might help folks. From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 15:34:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:34:16 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: <8076877.1114438651007.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> References: <8076877.1114438651007.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: <473a9155ff8a48f271063b8aa8425632@mac.com> I pre-ordered from Amazon, but have not received mine yet. From what I've heard that was one or two resellers jumping the gun and ignoring the "Do not ship until 4/29/05" stickers. Retailers get "embargo" product (stuff they can't sell until a certain date) all the time. They're supposed to act as if they don't have it yet. On Apr 25, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Darcy Baston wrote: > Plenty of people got their Tiger by mail already. Did nobody in the > MUG preorder and got theirs early? > > Darcy > > On Monday, April 25, 2005, at 00:37AM, Bryan Baker > wrote: > >> Reminder: DMMUG Meeting - 7:00pm, Tuesday night @ Haddock >> We were hoping last month that Tiger would be released and we could >> talk about that - well, that won't happen for a couple more days now >> (only missed by 3). >> >> We can still do a quick review about what some highlights are and why >> they're a big deal. >> Would folks like a quick talk about (UNIX) permissions? Of course in >> 10.4 we're about to get ACL's - but it still might help folks. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 15:43:53 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:43:53 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: <8076877.1114438651007.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: Darcy, Apple dealers are under an embargo not to sell it till Friday at 6pm. We will be open Friday from 6pm to 8pm and will be giving out Tiger Event watches for everyone that purchases Tiger from us that night or preorders. I think most of what you are reading online is mostly developers that have received early development versions of it. Thanks, Alan On 4/25/05 9:17 AM, "Darcy Baston" wrote: > Plenty of people got their Tiger by mail already. Did nobody in the MUG > preorder and got theirs early? >=20 > Darcy >=20 > On Monday, April 25, 2005, at 00:37AM, Bryan Baker wro= te: >=20 >> Reminder: DMMUG Meeting - 7:00pm, Tuesday night @ Haddock >> We were hoping last month that Tiger would be released and we could >> talk about that - well, that won't happen for a couple more days now >> (only missed by 3). >>=20 >> We can still do a quick review about what some highlights are and why >> they're a big deal. >> Would folks like a quick talk about (UNIX) permissions? Of course in >> 10.4 we're about to get ACL's - but it still might help folks. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >=20 =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 16:01:10 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:01:10 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 7100 ethernet adaptor Message-ID: Hi, I am needing to connect a Power PC 7100 to a network with ethernet. I need one of the adaptors to do this. If there is one available I would be interested in buying one. An ADB mouse would also be nice to find. -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 16:02:47 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Dave Weis) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:02:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [DM-MUG] 7100 ethernet adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Ray Bowler wrote: > I am needing to connect a Power PC 7100 to a network with ethernet. I need > one of the adaptors to do this. If there is one available I would be > interested in buying one. Does the 7100 still use an AAUI transceiver? I thought they just had onboard enet? > An ADB mouse would also be nice to find. We have both at our store, 1129 42nd St in Des Moines. -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 16:07:13 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:07:13 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 7100 ethernet adaptor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64445dc88d3b1eb170862da388ad2e11@mac.com> I'll see if I can dig some up by tuesday night. On Apr 25, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Ray Bowler wrote: > Hi, > > I am needing to connect a Power PC 7100 to a network with ethernet. I > need one of the adaptors to do this. If there is one available I would > be interested in buying one. > > An ADB mouse would also be nice to find. > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2151 (x1635) http://www.iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 16:48:59 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:48:59 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 7100 ethernet adaptor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The 7100 uses an AAUI connector. On 4/25/05 10:02 AM, "Dave Weis" wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Ray Bowler wrote: >> I am needing to connect a Power PC 7100 to a network with ethernet. I need >> one of the adaptors to do this. If there is one available I would be >> interested in buying one. > > Does the 7100 still use an AAUI transceiver? I thought they just had > onboard enet? > >> An ADB mouse would also be nice to find. > > We have both at our store, 1129 42nd St in Des Moines. From dmmug@dmmug.org Mon Apr 25 17:46:12 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:46:12 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Meeting reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Watches? As in wrist bands that tell time watches? THAT'S COOL! Count me in. Darcy On Monday, April 25, 2005, at 09:46AM, Alan Hansen wrote: >Darcy, > >Apple dealers are under an embargo not to sell it till Friday at 6pm. We >will be open Friday from 6pm to 8pm and will be giving out Tiger Event >watches for everyone that purchases Tiger from us that night or preorders. > >I think most of what you are reading online is mostly developers that have >received early development versions of it. > > >Thanks, >Alan From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 02:28:17 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (pegleg) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:28:17 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] 7100 ethernet adaptor References: <20050426112504.19184.36004.Mailman@cialug.org> Message-ID: <426F0329.2D70DD3F@mchsi.com> I have a box full of them, if you need one you are welcome to it. E-mail me if you want it. Bob Titus > Subject: [DM-MUG] 7100 ethernet adaptor > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:01:10 -0500 > From: Ray Bowler > Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org > To: DMMUG > > Hi, > > I am needing to connect a Power PC 7100 to a network with ethernet. I > need one of the adaptors to do this. If there is one available I > would be interested in buying one. > > An ADB mouse would also be nice to find. > > -- > Ray > > Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group > Fourth Tues of the month. > See > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 16:03:22 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:03:22 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> References: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Is anyone else having problems with Safari, I updated to 10.3.9 and fixed permissions and did the terminal check on java and now Safari crashes as much as it did in beta. Is this a plot to get everyone to purchase 10.4? Regards Chris After a time ... you may find that having ... is not so pleasing a thing after all ... as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 16:13:56 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Engelhardt) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:13:56 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: References: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: <98c3622a3a47ae0a393bbe83ef1c5abe@prairieinet.net> Mine is working better than ever. Jon On Apr 27, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Chris wrote: > Hello > Is anyone else having problems with Safari, I updated to 10.3.9 and > fixed permissions and did the terminal check on java and now Safari > crashes as much as it did in beta. Is this a plot to get everyone to > purchase 10.4? Regards Chris > > > > After a time ... > you may find that having ... > is not so pleasing a thing after all ... > as wanting. > It is not logical, > but it is often true. > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 16:38:20 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:38:20 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: References: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: <9433960.1114616301057.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> I've had no problems, even with the post 10.3.9 Java update Apple issued to fix Java problems. Darcy On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at 10:08AM, Chris wrote: >Hello >Is anyone else having problems with Safari, I updated to 10.3.9 and >fixed permissions and did the terminal check on java and now Safari >crashes as much as it did in beta. Is this a plot to get everyone to >purchase 10.4? Regards Chris From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 18:18:58 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:18:58 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: References: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: >Hello >Is anyone else having problems with Safari, I updated to 10.3.9 and >fixed permissions and did the terminal check on java and now Safari >crashes as much as it did in beta. Is this a plot to get everyone to >purchase 10.4? Regards Chris some people [not me or others I know] have reported a problem with Safari....it sort of depends, I guess. You might check at MacFixit or other sites. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 21:15:41 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (jim lagnese) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:15:41 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you download the java update that came after 10.3.9? On 4/27/05 10:03 AM, "Chris" wrote: > Hello > Is anyone else having problems with Safari, I updated to 10.3.9 and > fixed permissions and did the terminal check on java and now Safari > crashes as much as it did in beta. Is this a plot to get everyone to > purchase 10.4? Regards Chris > > > > After a time ... > you may find that having ... > is not so pleasing a thing after all ... > as wanting. > It is not logical, > but it is often true. > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 22:30:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Craig Campbell) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:30:16 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: References: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: Yes, sometimes double clicking on an icon the screen will go blue and then come back with all the open windows closed. On Apr 27, 2005, at 10:03, Chris wrote: > Hello > Is anyone else having problems with Safari, I updated to 10.3.9 and > fixed permissions and did the terminal check on java and now Safari > crashes as much as it did in beta. Is this a plot to get everyone to > purchase 10.4? Regards Chris > > > > After a time ... > you may find that having ... > is not so pleasing a thing after all ... > as wanting. > It is not logical, > but it is often true. > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Wed Apr 27 23:06:44 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:06:44 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Safari In-Reply-To: References: <10774098.1114447572571.JavaMail.darcybaston@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello I did the Java update right after 10.3.9 because I had read about problems. Maybe I'm having them because I thought that they would happen. It happens mostly when I am tabbed but sometimes with just one window open. It doesnt affect firefox though. Thanks anyway C PS I like the meeting recaps because I take my daughter to family fun night at Valley west the last tuesday of the month. she is yours. After a time ... you may find that having ... is not so pleasing a thing after all ... as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 00:09:18 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:09:18 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] DMMUG on Apple Event Seminar Site & Tiger Released Friday at 6pm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All, Wednesday's presentation by Bryan was very informative about the underlying Unix commands and structure under Mac OS X! I wanted to let everyone know that I figured out how to send an email to al= l Apple registered users that want to receive event information in Iowa. And on Monday if you are on the event notice list you will see information on the next Des Moines Macintosh Users Group Meeting listed there. The May meeting will cover Tiger and we all can talk about the things that we have learned about it in its first 4 weeks. The information about the meeting i= s already posted on Apples Event site at: http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/8/wa/e= v entsByStateAndCity?city=3DWindsor+Heights&state=3DIA&s=3D202 If you are planning on attending it would be really cool if you could register for the event at the site. That way we if we get too many people responding to the email it will tell them that the meeting is full. ------------------- Also, tomorrow night is the World Premiere of Tiger 10.4! We have already received our copies of Tiger and will begin selling it at 6pm Friday night. For all DMMUG members we will be taking $10 off the sale of Tiger and everyone that purchases Tiger will receive a Tiger Event Novelty Watch for free. If you want to reserve a copy to pickup Friday night please email me or call us. At 6pm if anyone is interested I am offering to give a Keynote presentation that is almost the same as the one I gave at the March meeting. Covering Tiger and highlighting the 200+ features that it offers. If you are interested please view the details and register at: =20 http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/8/wa/e= v entsByStateAndCity?city=3DWindsor+Heights&state=3DIA&s=3D202 Thanks for your support! Alan =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 01:10:43 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:10:43 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] All together now... Message-ID: Sing in your best Kermit the Frog voice: "One more sleep 'till Xmas". Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 01:29:21 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:29:21 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Gates uses Macs for Cultural Preservation Message-ID: >Tonight's Public Television news story covered the preservation of the >Beckman Photography Collection by its acquisition by Corbis, who are >saving all of these deteriorating historical photographs by scanning >and digitizing them. > >To his credit, Bill Gates appears on the segment and is credited with >undertaking and funding the project. > >However, when the scene shifts to the lab where the processing from >film to digital images is taking place, it becomes very clear that the >equipment and software being used is Macintosh, not Windows! :) > >Smart man, that Bill Gates! > >Nate > -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 06:28:20 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Ray Bowler) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:28:20 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] All together now... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Sing in your best Kermit the Frog voice: "One more sleep 'till Xmas". > >Darcy > >_______________________________________________ >Dmmug mailing list >Use this Address to send mail to the list: >Dmmug@dmmug.org >Use this page to modify subscription options: >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug :-) ROFL -- Ray Des Moines, IA Mac Users Group Fourth Tues of the month. See From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 06:47:02 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:47:02 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Mossberg on Tiger Message-ID: --============_-1097368575==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I still think Security is the key... Security: The Mac already had a key security feature missing in Windows. On a Mac, most software installations require the ID and password of the computer's owner. That makes it harder for digital criminals to carry out the kind of surreptitious software installations that place spyware on computers. In Tiger, this has been ratcheted up a notch. When you download anything from the Internet using the Safari browser or Apple Mail program, Tiger examines the download for hidden application programs and warns if one is present. Unless the user approves the download, Tiger won't save it to disk in a form that allows the application to open. In addition, Tiger seeks the user's permission any time any application program is run for the first time. http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20050428.html -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. --============_-1097368575==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Mossberg on Tiger
I still think Security is the key...

Security: The Mac already had a key security feature missing in Windows. On a Mac, most software installations require the ID and password of the computer's owner. That makes it harder for digital criminals to carry out the kind of surreptitious software installations that place spyware on computers.

In Tiger, this has been ratcheted up a notch. When you download anything from the Internet using the Safari browser or Apple Mail program, Tiger examines the download for hidden application programs and warns if one is present. Unless the user approves the download, Tiger won't save it to disk in a form that allows the application to open.

In addition, Tiger seeks the user's permission any time any application program is run for the first time.

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20050428.html
--
Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, <http://www.HerringLaw.com>;  Travel research and planning, <http://www.JourneyZing.com>;  Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475.
--============_-1097368575==_ma============-- From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 07:50:52 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:50:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Gates uses Macs for Cultural Preservation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07726ECC-B87B-11D9-9C51-000A9575AAF8@ecity.net> At least one person I used to work with at CE Software here in Des Moines moved to Seattle and went to work for Corbis. I got to visit him and see a bit of what he was working on when I interviewed for a job at Microsoft back in '93 after the first CE layoffs. He was a Mac programmer named John Pence. So there's a Des Moines connection there as well, it seems. (And man, even 12 years ago Microsoft was one NICE place to work. I can't imagine what it's like now....) - Bill On Apr 28, 2005, at 7:29 PM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> Tonight's Public Television news story covered the preservation of the >> Beckman Photography Collection by its acquisition by Corbis, who are >> saving all of these deteriorating historical photographs by scanning >> and digitizing them. >> >> To his credit, Bill Gates appears on the segment and is credited with >> undertaking and funding the project. >> >> However, when the scene shifts to the lab where the processing from >> film to digital images is taking place, it becomes very clear that the >> equipment and software being used is Macintosh, not Windows! :) >> >> Smart man, that Bill Gates! >> >> Nate >> > > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ; Travel research and > planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 07:55:15 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bill Davis) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:55:15 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] DMMUG on Apple Event Seminar Site & Tiger Released Friday at 6pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like fun. Man...I gotta wonder if (or rather, assume) that are there going to be =20= Tiger parties at the Apple Store and CompUSA Mac store-within-a-store =20= too. What fun -- MacOS X premiere party hopping! There should be be =20= iPod DJs (podJays?) too.... - Bill On Apr 28, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Alan Hansen wrote: > All, > > Wednesday's presentation by Bryan was very informative about the =20 > underlying > Unix commands and structure under Mac OS X! > > I wanted to let everyone know that I figured out how to send an email =20= > to all > Apple registered users that want to receive event information in Iowa. = =20 > And > on Monday if you are on the event notice list you will see information = =20 > on > the next Des Moines Macintosh Users Group Meeting listed there. The =20= > May > meeting will cover Tiger and we all can talk about the things that we =20= > have > learned about it in its first 4 weeks. The information about the =20 > meeting is > already posted on Apples Event site at: > > http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/=20= > 8/wa/ev > entsByStateAndCity?city=3DWindsor+Heights&state=3DIA&s=3D202 > > If you are planning on attending it would be really cool if you could > register for the event at the site. That way we if we get too many =20= > people > responding to the email it will tell them that the meeting is full. > ------------------- > Also, tomorrow night is the World Premiere of Tiger 10.4! We have =20 > already > received our copies of Tiger and will begin selling it at 6pm Friday =20= > night. > For all DMMUG members we will be taking $10 off the sale of Tiger and > everyone that purchases Tiger will receive a Tiger Event Novelty Watch = =20 > for > free. If you want to reserve a copy to pickup Friday night please =20 > email me > or call us. > > At 6pm if anyone is interested I am offering to give a Keynote =20 > presentation > that is almost the same as the one I gave at the March meeting. =20 > Covering > Tiger and highlighting the 200+ features that it offers. If you are > interested please view the details and register at: > > http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/=20= > 8/wa/ev > entsByStateAndCity?city=3DWindsor+Heights&state=3DIA&s=3D202 > > Thanks for your support! > Alan > > =F0=F0=F0=F0 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com > > Alan Hansen > Haddock Computer > 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 > www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 > iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com > > Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) > > Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 > Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer > Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 14:13:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:13:16 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] DMMUG on Apple Event Seminar Site & Tiger Released Friday at 6pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74ba38ce19f3958c86f0d0750026a9d4@mac.com> I know there is a party at the Apple Store as well: http://www.apple.com/events/instore/?cid=3Dcdm-1811-con-042805-g1 http://www.apple.com/retail/jordancreek/week/20050424.html CompUSA too (PDF): http://image.compusa.com/pdf/33608_4.29_Ti%85r_EmailBlast.pdf Looks like Comp is matching the Pre-order deal some of us got from =20 Amazon (for an adl purchase of $400, so it's not quite matching). I've =20= already got my copy on pre-order (grr, doesn't look like it's shipped =20= yet) but it looks like everybody is going to have some celebration and =20= coincident deals, so we may have to hit all three! :-) Several of us (well at least Jen and I) will at least be hitting the =20 Apple store while on our way to the 9:30 showing of "Hitchhikers Guide =20= to the Galaxy" which is also premiering tonight. Seems fitting, since =20= Douglas Adams was one of the all time great Mac enthusiasts. I think =20 he'd be pleased. Any way a group kind of gathered on the CIALUG list to =20= go to that showing, and we're going. If anyone wants to join a group of =20= geeks for a premiere night geek film, we're there (I suggest =20 pre-purchase, either on-site or via http://fandango.com ). "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" Jordan Creek Century 20 4/29/2005 - 9:30 pm Probably need to be there by ~ 9 to get good seats. (maybe before) On Apr 29, 2005, at 1:55 AM, Bill Davis wrote: > Sounds like fun. > > Man...I gotta wonder if (or rather, assume) that are there going to be = =20 > Tiger parties at the Apple Store and CompUSA Mac store-within-a-store =20= > too. What fun -- MacOS X premiere party hopping! There should be =20= > be iPod DJs (podJays?) too.... > > - Bill > > > On Apr 28, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Alan Hansen wrote: > >> All, >> >> Wednesday's presentation by Bryan was very informative about the =20 >> underlying >> Unix commands and structure under Mac OS X! >> >> I wanted to let everyone know that I figured out how to send an email = =20 >> to all >> Apple registered users that want to receive event information in =20 >> Iowa. And >> on Monday if you are on the event notice list you will see =20 >> information on >> the next Des Moines Macintosh Users Group Meeting listed there. The =20= >> May >> meeting will cover Tiger and we all can talk about the things that we = =20 >> have >> learned about it in its first 4 weeks. The information about the =20 >> meeting is >> already posted on Apples Event site at: >> >> http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/=20= >> 8/wa/ev >> entsByStateAndCity?city=3DWindsor+Heights&state=3DIA&s=3D202 >> >> If you are planning on attending it would be really cool if you could >> register for the event at the site. That way we if we get too many =20= >> people >> responding to the email it will tell them that the meeting is full. >> ------------------- >> Also, tomorrow night is the World Premiere of Tiger 10.4! We have =20= >> already >> received our copies of Tiger and will begin selling it at 6pm Friday =20= >> night. >> For all DMMUG members we will be taking $10 off the sale of Tiger and >> everyone that purchases Tiger will receive a Tiger Event Novelty =20 >> Watch for >> free. If you want to reserve a copy to pickup Friday night please =20= >> email me >> or call us. >> >> At 6pm if anyone is interested I am offering to give a Keynote =20 >> presentation >> that is almost the same as the one I gave at the March meeting. =20 >> Covering >> Tiger and highlighting the 200+ features that it offers. If you are >> interested please view the details and register at: >> >> http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/=20= >> 8/wa/ev >> entsByStateAndCity?city=3DWindsor+Heights&state=3DIA&s=3D202 >> >> Thanks for your support! >> Alan >> >> =F0=F0=F0=F0 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com >> >> Alan Hansen >> Haddock Computer >> 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 >> www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 >> iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com >> >> Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) >> >> Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 >> Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer >> Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory = Boards >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dmmug mailing list >> Use this Address to send mail to the list: >> Dmmug@dmmug.org >> Use this page to modify subscription options: >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 17:26:10 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:26:10 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Tiger spotting Message-ID: <18b8796b82a89db45168c40e0c95bae9@mac.com> I just pulled Tiger Server out of my mail slot here at work :-) Direct from Apple due to the lovely Server Maintenance program :-) (it just paid for itself). Too bad I won't want to install it for a while - this is big and mission critical enough I'm not going to be installing until I see all the dirt from the guys at AFP548. Now if only Amazon would get my _pre-ordered_ copy of "client" out the &^%&^%$ door! -- Bryan Baker President Des Moines Macintosh Users Group http://www.dmmug.org president@dmmug.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 18:50:43 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Chris Van Cleve) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:50:43 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Tiger spotting In-Reply-To: <18b8796b82a89db45168c40e0c95bae9@mac.com> References: <18b8796b82a89db45168c40e0c95bae9@mac.com> Message-ID: <56f648a9523167a570894ab4dceefe87@dreamscapevisionery.com> Just got my Server as well. Love that maintenance program, eh? I might be paying with installing it on a Mac at home for testing, just to see what snaps like a twig. =) Chris VC On Apr 29, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Bryan Baker wrote: > I just pulled Tiger Server out of my mail slot here at work :-) Direct > from Apple due to the lovely Server Maintenance program :-) (it just > paid for itself). > Too bad I won't want to install it for a while - this is big and > mission critical enough I'm not going to be installing until I see all > the dirt from the guys at AFP548. Now if only Amazon would get my > _pre-ordered_ copy of "client" out the &^%&^%$ door! > > -- > Bryan Baker > President > Des Moines Macintosh Users Group > http://www.dmmug.org > president@dmmug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Fri Apr 29 19:42:48 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Rearick) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:42:48 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Going to WWDC? Message-ID: <193d03f5ffe3927c9e64a477608233ea@iastate.edu> I found out yesterday that I have been granted the WWDC Student Scholarship to attend WWDC in San Francisco June 5 though the 11 (Students have events the Sunday before WWDC). If there is anyone else going, we should see if we can organize a trip. Thanks John Rearick From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 11:35:22 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:35:22 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Notebook: Good program for criminal defense use Message-ID: >I got a 17" laptop at the 2004 MacWorld in SF and have been slowly >converting to it. Very useful for music (I'm a folk/blues dj on the >radio once a week and have some 4000+ tunes on the computer) and photos >(evidence and personal - I have some 4000+ photos on the computer, and >am using it for DVDs of police videos of clients of mine etc) but the >basic use - that of word processer and case management - had not made >much progress until at MacWorld 2005 in SF when I picked up Notebook >from Circus Ponies. As a word processor it is basic but useable, but as >a tool for organizing the documents generated in the case, it is >superb. There is an update which I have yet to pick up - and I hope but >doubt that it will have a pleading paper template in it - but its >organizing metaphor - a notebook with tabs - makes it incredibly easy to >have a Case Notes section, To Do, Documents in case, Notes about >various motions, client conversations.....and to move between them with >a click of the mouse. > >Anyone else using this? If not, you might want to take a look. > > >ED Denson >Southern Humboldt County's Easternmost Criminal Defense Attorney > I also have NB and have been using it and it is one of the better Outliners for the Mac. Just fyi -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 12:43:04 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bailey Ford) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:43:04 -0400 Subject: [DM-MUG] Need another excuse to upgrade? Message-ID: Hey there Muggers, Unlike that 'other' computer platform, we Mac users have generally enjoyed a little speed boost with each major revision to the OS. The jump from Panther to Tiger is no different, and the excellent site BareFeats seems to have some of the first empirical data on the subject. At first glance, it looks like Apple did all kinds of graphics optimizations and otherwise sped things up on the order of around 5%. If you are interested, check out the real data at http://www.barefeats.com/tiger.html. Has anyone on the list gotten their copy yet? -bailey From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 15:34:11 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Holly Welch) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:34:11 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Notebook: Good program for criminal defense use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This sounded interesting, and they have a free 30 day demo I'm downloading right now!! On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:35 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: >> I got a 17" laptop at the 2004 MacWorld in SF and have been slowly >> converting to it. Very useful for music (I'm a folk/blues dj on the >> radio once a week and have some 4000+ tunes on the computer) and >> photos >> (evidence and personal - I have some 4000+ photos on the computer, and >> am using it for DVDs of police videos of clients of mine etc) but the >> basic use - that of word processer and case management - had not made >> much progress until at MacWorld 2005 in SF when I picked up Notebook >> from Circus Ponies. As a word processor it is basic but useable, but >> as >> a tool for organizing the documents generated in the case, it is >> superb. There is an update which I have yet to pick up - and I hope >> but >> doubt that it will have a pleading paper template in it - but its >> organizing metaphor - a notebook with tabs - makes it incredibly easy >> to >> have a Case Notes section, To Do, Documents in case, Notes about >> various motions, client conversations.....and to move between them >> with >> a click of the mouse. >> >> Anyone else using this? If not, you might want to take a look. >> >> >> ED Denson >> Southern Humboldt County's Easternmost Criminal Defense Attorney >> > > I also have NB and have been using it and it is one of the better > Outliners for the Mac. Just fyi > -- > Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & > Employment Law, ; Travel research and > planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, > 515-255-4475. > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 15:56:00 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (John Kisner) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:56:00 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Need another excuse to upgrade? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56C1AF88-2CBE-4555-A75A-7B0FD120CB8E@dwx.com> I'm having a couple of Tiger install problems. Last night around 8 pm I began install on my G4 PowerBook. It took a long time (2 hours?), but finally it was time to Restart and begin enjoying Tiger. Three hours later, with the machine still at the spinning icon startup stage, I powered off. Powering on moved me through a normal startup, soon after which the OSX assistant began. The OSX assistant has been trying to connect with Apple for about 8 hours now. I'm on the same machine typing this email, so connection is not a problem. I'm not sure what the OS assistant does for me, but something's not right. John From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 16:09:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Alan Hansen) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:09:16 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Need another excuse to upgrade? In-Reply-To: <56C1AF88-2CBE-4555-A75A-7B0FD120CB8E@dwx.com> Message-ID: John, I think all the OSX Assistant does is register your software with Apple. I would just select it and quit that application. It must have had problems connecting to the internet or the server it reaches when it launched. So far I am pretty happy with Tiger. It is kind of like getting a new computer all over again. Everything is where it was but there are some coo= l new features and things I can do that I couldn't in the past. Thanks, Alan On 4/30/05 9:56 AM, "John Kisner" wrote: > I'm having a couple of Tiger install problems. >=20 > Last night around 8 pm I began install on my G4 PowerBook. It took a > long time (2 hours?), but finally it was time to Restart and begin > enjoying Tiger. Three hours later, with the machine still at the > spinning icon startup stage, I powered off. Powering on moved me > through a normal startup, soon after which the OSX assistant began. >=20 > The OSX assistant has been trying to connect with Apple for about 8 > hours now. I'm on the same machine typing this email, so connection > is not a problem. I'm not sure what the OS assistant does for me, > but something's not right. >=20 > John > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug >=20 =95=95=95=95 Please send mail to alan@gohaddock.com Alan Hansen Haddock Computer 801 73rd Street, Suite I, Windsor Heights, IA 50312 www.gohaddock.com (515) 225-9040 fax (515) 225-1264 iChat/AIM: AlanH@mac.com Fax education orders toll free to 888-873-2775 or (888-USE-APPL) Apple Sales Specialist, Apple Authorized Education Agent #SA69327 Apple Service Provider Plus, Canon Video Dealer Proud member of Apple's Service, Training and Reseller Advisory Boards From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 16:45:09 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:45:09 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Need another excuse to upgrade? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCA6C4C-5698-46C4-9C02-607502A1DC69@mac.com> Using it right now. I was first in line (I think) at Haddock's. Great group of folks there. I got in really early and they let me enjoy using their G5 with the massive widescreen Apple display while I waited for Tiger to be unleashed. I laughed myself sore when I saw the...uhm...watches. :) Apple must have felt inspired by toys in cereal boxes to come up with those hehe. Tiger first impressions: Love it, love it, love it. I've already made a cool Automator script that zips and encrypts files for backup. Spotlight is really amazing. It's shaving off so many clicks and at times minutes trying to get to content. It even indexes text in PSD docs! I love that so much. I can search for a slogan on some graphic design, and have my work pop right up. Widgets are fun, but I don't find myself using Dashboard much yet. I may for the calculator to prevent from having to launch the app all the time, but when internet syncing widgets are put on the dashboard, sometimes there's so much of a delay before they all refresh when jumping to DB view (including the clock, annoying), that it's faster to launch the calculator app itself. One problem since Tiger, and it could be coincidence, is that my screen brightness isn't consistent. It will suddenly go down two brightness notches, stay there for a while, go back up, sometimes flicker back and forth a few times and stay low etc. My iBook wasn't doing this on Panther and since putting on Tiger, there it is. Moving the screen doesn't make it flicker or change at all, but if I let it sit idle...twitch...twitch. I hope this is software amusement! I'm a little disappointed my iBook 933MHz doesn't have the graphics prowess to take advantage of Core Image. This means I don't get any water ripples on the dashboard. *sob* I totally love the new Keychain Access application. I've always used it as my internet password manager and for encrypting little pieces of text. It's awesome. Anyway, in Tiger, everything is grouped in families/categories which makes getting to specific pieces of information much easier. Disk Utility is better. It has an image validation icon in its toolbar for keeping an eye on image integrity. Safari RSS is just amazing. I love it. I know there's a way to get a bookmark folder that shows article counts per feed, and I haven't figured out how to do that yet, but when I do, it will be amazing^2. Migration/upgrade adventure: From Panther, I put the Tiger DVD in, and clicked twice on its installation icon. It got me to reboot. Upon reboot, I had a kernel panic. It didn't like my Linux boot loader. :) So I zapped PRAM thrice, rebooted, held down 'c' and off it went without any further complaints. During installation I STRONGLY urge everyone to use the 'custom' option and turn off the ocean of languages and printer drivers you don't think you'll use. You can cut the amount of space Tiger takes on your hard drive tremendously. The default install puts about 4 gigs on. By turning off languages I didn't need, and printer drivers for printers I don't own (I can always reinstall them later separately), I cut my install size down to 2.4 gigs. I wanted a clean, newly formatted install, so I copied my home folder to my iPod beforehand (and game save folders). I installed Tiger and started to get the information from the iPod unto the new setup. Keychain Access has an import menu, but it refused to let me select my backed up keychain. So, I had to manually delete the Tiger one, and copied over the one from the iPod. That worked great. I'm guessing it worked because I used the same login name and password with Tiger as I had in Panther. I had all my contacts, bookmarks etc. backed up to .Mac, so getting that stuff back was a snap. However, the first time I launched Safari, the bookmarks weren't in there after the sync. I worried a little, quit the app, resynced and then relaunched Safari. They were there that time. Phew! For Apple Mail, I just ran the import command from its file menu, and chose the Mail folder in the backed up Library folder on the iPod. Everything went in except for the INBOX for one of my POP accounts. That one I had to select manually on a second import attempt. It didn't seem to get collected during the recursive sweep. It went in just fine with a little direction though. Then, I restored some prefs to shortcut software re-registration, some application support folders, some plugins, reinstalled apps that needed to be and voila! Done. It only took a couple hours to go from a new install to right back where I was with Panther. The migration tool doesn't let you use the iPod as a "firewire mounted mac". I tried. :) Other impressions: FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST. This thing soars. It's like having a new iBook. But most improved of all, is the startup time. That progress bar just races across now during startup. I have no idea how they did that, but I sure appreciate it! Apple's mail app has become fantastic. It's so much faster switching between folders, messages and more. Fewer performance pauses. Airport signal strength has really improved. Because I'm in an apartment and there are 3 other wireless networks on my floor, I've had occasional difficulties getting a good signal and had to use the 'robustness' option. With Tiger, my Airport menu bar thing is fully lit up and I don't have to use the robustness thing. If anyone knows a way to get the other networks ignored so that they're off my network list, by name or something, let me know? Darcy On Apr 30, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Bailey Ford wrote: > Hey there Muggers, > > Unlike that 'other' computer platform, we Mac users have generally > enjoyed a little speed boost with each major revision to the OS. > The jump from Panther to Tiger is no different, and the excellent > site BareFeats seems to have some of the first empirical data on > the subject. At first glance, it looks like Apple did all kinds of > graphics optimizations and otherwise sped things up on the order of > around 5%. If you are interested, check out the real data at http:// > www.barefeats.com/tiger.html. > > Has anyone on the list gotten their copy yet? > -bailey > > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 17:03:09 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:03:09 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] getting RSS feeds Message-ID: <776EDD7E-302A-4076-A716-C48CA4FB9D5C@mac.com> Hey Brian, is there a way to get a collection of RSS feeds to auto populate the Safari bookmark section, or do I have to go scouring the web for them? Know how some 3rd party RSS readers come with a preset list? Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 17:25:52 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Jon Thompson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:25:52 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Need another excuse to upgrade? In-Reply-To: <56C1AF88-2CBE-4555-A75A-7B0FD120CB8E@dwx.com> References: <56C1AF88-2CBE-4555-A75A-7B0FD120CB8E@dwx.com> Message-ID: <5F07A232-6915-4E75-BEB2-750A7B7E5E06@mac-consultant.com> Is this where it asks a second time for you to sign up for .Mac? I figured that it was a delay put in there so you would click on the "yes" radio button. So I clicked on it, then the no button, and it let me through. On Apr 30, 2005, at 9:56 AM, John Kisner wrote: > I'm having a couple of Tiger install problems. > > Last night around 8 pm I began install on my G4 PowerBook. It took > a long time (2 hours?), but finally it was time to Restart and > begin enjoying Tiger. Three hours later, with the machine still at > the spinning icon startup stage, I powered off. Powering on moved > me through a normal startup, soon after which the OSX assistant began. > > The OSX assistant has been trying to connect with Apple for about 8 > hours now. I'm on the same machine typing this email, so > connection is not a problem. I'm not sure what the OS assistant > does for me, but something's not right. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > > > From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 18:01:33 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Bryan Baker) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:01:33 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] getting RSS feeds In-Reply-To: <776EDD7E-302A-4076-A716-C48CA4FB9D5C@mac.com> References: <776EDD7E-302A-4076-A716-C48CA4FB9D5C@mac.com> Message-ID: <87126e8fa121365172fd87a2ea5313d0@mac.com> Have you tried say, opening up NetNewsWire/lite and dragging from its feeds into safari? You might also go to some of the aggregator sites on the net and get them from there. On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Darcy Baston wrote: > Hey Brian, is there a way to get a collection of RSS feeds to auto > populate the Safari bookmark section, or do I have to go scouring the > web for them? Know how some 3rd party RSS readers come with a preset > list? > > Darcy > _______________________________________________ > Dmmug mailing list > Use this Address to send mail to the list: > Dmmug@dmmug.org > Use this page to modify subscription options: > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/dmmug > -- Bryan Baker Technology Advocate Iowa Legal Aid Suite 230 1111 9th Street Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527 (515) 243-2980 x1635 http://iowalegalaid.org bbaker@iowalaw.org From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 17:29:54 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:29:54 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Notebook: Good program for criminal defense use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >This sounded interesting, and they have a free 30 day demo I'm >downloading right now!! >On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:35 AM, Victoria L. Herring wrote: I use it...there are a bunch of good outliners -- ATPM has a whole long series of articles about the pro and cons of each...I do like NB but there are others that are good -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 20:57:06 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:57:06 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Fwd: [MacLaw] Spotlight? Can it search the desktop? Message-ID: any ideas? >I tried to search for a file by name that was sitting in plain sight on the >desktop. > >Spotlight did NOT find it. > >Dropped it into the hard drive and it found it. >So far I have not been impressed with spotlight. > >It seems to work very slowly in mail for instance and does not seem to be >finding mail when used in the finder. -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 21:55:16 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Victoria L. Herring) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:55:16 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] Answer = Spotlight? Can it search the desktop? Message-ID: > >Spotlight needs to index your drive first. Your Desktop was probably not >indexed yet. > >Kai Lui > >on 4/30/05 3:37 PM, Robert Blau at rblau@mac.com wrote: -- Victoria L. Herring, Attorney, Civil Rights, Discrimination & Employment Law, ; Travel research and planning, ; Des Moines, Iowa, 515-255-4475. From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 23:17:08 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:17:08 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] iPod is having problems Message-ID: <4871208E-576D-4200-8FBD-05488A2FACEA@mac.com> On some songs on my iPod, the hard drive won't play and goes into a repetitive clicking routing: click click click rrrrrrrratclick *pause* click click click And repeat. It's also been refusing to play through some songs and would just skip forward to the next, or would suddenly reboot itself mid-song. Has anybody else had this happen to them? Do you think it's a bad hard drive? I've reset to factory several times and reformatted here and there trying to fix it. But now, it's doing the clicking thing. It's been doing it non stop on an endless loop all throughout the writing of this message. I also tried using disk utility, but it doesn't do a surface scan and only a file structure scan, which is coming back just fine. Darcy From dmmug@dmmug.org Sat Apr 30 23:30:12 2005 From: dmmug@dmmug.org (Darcy Baston) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:30:12 -0500 Subject: [DM-MUG] getting RSS feeds In-Reply-To: <87126e8fa121365172fd87a2ea5313d0@mac.com> References: <776EDD7E-302A-4076-A716-C48CA4FB9D5C@mac.com> <87126e8fa121365172fd87a2ea5313d0@mac.com> Message-ID: I'll try that and let ya know, thanks! Darcy On Apr 30, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Bryan Baker wrote: > Have you tried say, opening up NetNewsWire/lite and dragging from > its feeds into safari? > You might also go to some of the aggregator sites on the net and > get them from there.