[DM-MUG] Why can't Mac OS X be on our server?
jim Lagnese
dmmug@dmmug.org
Sun, 30 May 2004 16:04:08 -0500
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Actually, you don=B9t need windows file sharing on to connect to a windows
server. Secondly, she never said what OS is being used on the Macs. If it=B9s
OS X, then it can connect to SMB shares with some limitations. If it=B9s OS 9=
,
then they need to turn on File Services for Macintosh and set up Macintosh
Share Points. I am a Mac person through and through, but please try not to
be a PC bigot because it polarizes people. I=B9d rather encourage them to the
possibilities of the Mac, than try to call them idiots and tear them down.
We have a lot to learn on both sides and it=B9s tough enough that there are
not enough Mac jobs out there. For instance, I had to take a PC job because
there aren=B9t any Mac jobs in Iowa. Now imagine if I tried to push down my
colleagues throats how crappy their platform is? I won=B9t have a job very
long. I say educate them them if you can, and at least inform them. In this
case they hold the keys to the crapper, so you will get more flies with
honey. JMHO.
Jim
--=20
In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did
succeed in making those idiots understand their language.
Mark Twain
=20
From: CW Smith <cwsmith@mchsi.com>
Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:14:31 -0500
To: dmmug@dmmug.org
Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Why can't Mac OS X be on our server?
On 5/30/04 10:41 AM, "HWelch7625@aol.com" <HWelch7625@aol.com> wrote:
> I know I ask a lot of questions, so here is another one! We finally have =
gone
> from zero Macs to 14 at my school. We knew they couldn't go on the networ=
k,
> and we agreed to it. But what is the problem? I've been given many answer=
s
> (all different). I've been told that Macs "carry" viruses, even though th=
ey
> don't get them. The latest reason has to do with the security of the syst=
em.
> We know that our system protects PCs, but if Macs go on the server, there=
is
> no way to know what they will do? Is there an easy solution for this?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Holly Welch
What a load of crap, from a bunch of Windows-centric idiots who=B9d rather
make guesses and repeat rumors than actually learn the facts.
(1) Macs, with proper virus protection software (not expensive or
difficult) are no more likely to =B3get=B2 or =B3carry=B2 viruses than the PCs. If
the PCs don=B9t have virus protection software, that=B9s not the Macs=B9 fault.
And if the network is behind a firewall, that will protect all the machines=
,
PCs and Macs, from the outside.
(2) Mac OS, especially X, is incredibly stable and secure, and will not
compromise the security of the Windows network, IF that network is itself
stable and secure. Again, the Macs can=B9t be held responsible for holes in
the Windows network=B9s security.
(3) In order for a virus to propagate, it needs to have the correct OS
and software conditions in order to run. A Windows-native virus, exploitin=
g
Outlook=B9s address book (a very popular method in such cases), will not run
in Mac OS or in Linux, and can=B9t exploit the address books of Apple Mail,
Entourage, or Netscape (the most popular mail programs on the Mac platform)=
.
(4) Honestly, there just aren=B9t as many Mac viruses around to infect us.
Why? Because there aren=B9t as many Macs, and the hackers want to hit the
most machines possible in the least amount of time? Because Mac users tend
to be a tighter-knit group, and just don=B9t want to cause pain to fellow Mac
users? Because more people (Mac, Linux, and Windows users alike) hate Bill
Gates more than Steve Jobs? I don=B9t know why, but it just happens to be th=
e
case.
(5) On the human side, those who are diligent about not opening email
attachments except from known, trusted sources have a much smaller chance o=
f
infection than those who are not diligent. If Joe Windows opens the .exe
file from a bulk email, how can Mary Mac be held responsible?
(6) As has been said elsewhere in this forum, everything needed for the
Macs to join the Windows network is right there in the Mac OS. Just go to
your System Preferences, turn on Windows File Sharing, enable DHCP, and
voila, you=B9re connected. You can become your own Mac Network Administrator
in about an hour, and your poor Windows NetAdmin never even has to touch th=
e
scary Macs.
I=B9ve had Macs and PCs networked together in my own home and small business
for ten years. I=B9ve only received a virus on one Mac, one time, and it
didn=B9t even propagate to the other Macs on the network. The two attacks on
my PCs were my own damn fault for not having virus protection software on
the PCs, and (in one case) because I opened the wrong email attachment (liv=
e
and learn). I consider the Macs in my own network (running Mac OS 7, 8,
8.5, 9, and X) to be the more secure portion of my network, and the PCs to
be the weak link.
Unfortunately, it=B9s hard to convince the Windows dittoheads that most of
what they =B3know=B2 about the Mac platform is speculation, exaggeration, or
just plain wrong. But hopefully a little truth may help to counteract the
myth.
Peace,
CW
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<FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>Actually, you don’t=
need windows file sharing on to connect to a windows server. Secondly, she =
never said what OS is being used on the Macs. If it’s OS X, then it ca=
n connect to SMB shares with some limitations. If it’s OS 9, then they=
need to turn on File Services for Macintosh and set up Macintosh Share Poin=
ts. I am a Mac person through and through, but please try not to be a PC big=
ot because it polarizes people. I’d rather encourage them to the possi=
bilities of the Mac, than try to call them idiots and tear them down. We hav=
e a lot to learn on both sides and it’s tough enough that there are no=
t enough Mac jobs out there. For instance, I had to take a PC job because th=
ere aren’t any Mac jobs in Iowa. Now imagine if I tried to push down m=
y colleagues throats how crappy their platform is? I won’t have a job =
very long. I say educate them them if you can, and at least inform them. In =
this case they hold the keys to the crapper, so you will get more flies with=
honey. JMHO.<BR>
Jim<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-- <BR>
</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">In Pari=
s they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in =
making those idiots understand their language.<BR>
Mark Twain<BR>
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<HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"3" WIDTH=3D"95%"><B>From: </B>CW Smith <cwsmi=
th@mchsi.com><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B>dmmug@dmmug.org<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Sun, 30 May 2004 14:14:31 -0500<BR>
<B>To: </B>dmmug@dmmug.org<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: [DM-MUG] Why can't Mac OS X be on our server?<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">On 5/30/04 10:41 AM, "HWelch7625@aol.com&q=
uot; <HWelch7625@aol.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#400080"><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"=
Comic Sans MS"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:18.0px'>I know I ask a lot of question=
s, so here is another one! We finally have gone from zero Macs to 14 at my s=
chool. We knew they couldn't go on the network, and we agreed to it. But wha=
t is the problem? I've been given many answers (all different). I've been to=
ld that Macs "carry" viruses, even though they don't get them. The=
latest reason has to do with the security of the system. We know that our s=
ystem protects PCs, but if Macs go on the server, there is no way to know wh=
at they will do? Is there an easy solution for this?<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Holly Welch<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><SPAN STYLE=3D'=
font-size:12.0px'><BR>
What a load of crap, from a bunch of Windows-centric idiots who’d rat=
her make guesses and repeat rumors than actually learn the facts.<BR>
<BR>
(1) Macs, with proper virus protection software (not expe=
nsive or difficult) are no more likely to “get” or “carry&=
#8221; viruses than the PCs. If the PCs don’t have virus protect=
ion software, that’s not the Macs’ fault. And if the netwo=
rk is behind a firewall, that will protect all the machines, PCs and Macs, f=
rom the outside.<BR>
<BR>
(2) Mac OS, especially X, is incredibly stable and secure=
, and will not compromise the security of the Windows network, IF that netwo=
rk is itself stable and secure. Again, the Macs can’t be held re=
sponsible for holes in the Windows network’s security.<BR>
<BR>
(3) In order for a virus to propagate, it needs to have t=
he correct OS and software conditions in order to run. A Windows-nativ=
e virus, exploiting Outlook’s address book (a very popular method in s=
uch cases), will not run in Mac OS or in Linux, and can’t exploit the =
address books of Apple Mail, Entourage, or Netscape (the most popular mail p=
rograms on the Mac platform).<BR>
<BR>
(4) Honestly, there just aren’t as many Mac viruses=
around to infect us. Why? Because there aren’t as many Ma=
cs, and the hackers want to hit the most machines possible in the least amou=
nt of time? Because Mac users tend to be a tighter-knit group, and jus=
t don’t want to cause pain to fellow Mac users? Because more peo=
ple (Mac, Linux, and Windows users alike) hate Bill Gates more than Steve Jo=
bs? I don’t know why, but it just happens to be the case.<BR>
<BR>
(5) On the human side, those who are diligent about not o=
pening email attachments except from known, trusted sources have a much smal=
ler chance of infection than those who are not diligent. If Joe Window=
s opens the .exe file from a bulk email, how can Mary Mac be held responsibl=
e?<BR>
<BR>
(6) As has been said elsewhere in this forum, everything =
needed for the Macs to join the Windows network is right there in the Mac OS=
. Just go to your System Preferences, turn on Windows File Sharing, en=
able DHCP, and voila, you’re connected. You can become your own =
Mac Network Administrator in about an hour, and your poor Windows NetAdmin n=
ever even has to touch the scary Macs.<BR>
<BR>
I’ve had Macs and PCs networked together in my own home and small bus=
iness for ten years. I’ve only received a virus on one Mac, one =
time, and it didn’t even propagate to the other Macs on the network. &=
nbsp;The two attacks on my PCs were my own damn fault for not having virus p=
rotection software on the PCs, and (in one case) because I opened the wrong =
email attachment (live and learn). I consider the Macs in my own netwo=
rk (running Mac OS 7, 8, 8.5, 9, and X) to be the more secure portion of my =
network, and the PCs to be the weak link.<BR>
<BR>
Unfortunately, it’s hard to convince the Windows dittoheads that most=
of what they “know” about the Mac platform is speculation, exag=
geration, or just plain wrong. But hopefully a little truth may help t=
o counteract the myth.<BR>
<BR>
Peace,<BR>
CW</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
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