[DM-MUG] Why can't Mac OS X be on our server?

[jim Lagnese]

Thanks. I have been in at least a couple wars myself. As Jack Webb said,
just the facts.
Jim


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If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.
Mark Twain



> From: Chris Van Cleve <vanish@dreamscapevisionery.com>
> Reply-To: dmmug@dmmug.org
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:43:01 -0500
> To: dmmug@dmmug.org
> Subject: Re: [DM-MUG] Why can't Mac OS X be on our server?
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> If you truly need help with making your case for this, I am willing to
> lend a hand. I work in an IT department and have been fighting the
> Windows hegemony there for 7 years. Over time I prevented replacing our
> sole Mac with a Windows box (it helped that the graphic Designer was
> going to quit if they did that to her), got the Mac updated, convinced
> them to add 2 more designers with Macs, got the Network Admins to open
> up Appletalk on all printers and Appletalk shares on the servers... Now
> with Panther we've removed the Appletalk shares and use the built-in
> Samba to make the necessary connections, allowing our designers to
> access their department share drive for the first time.
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> Enough of all that, though. last year I went to war. Lots of research
> and documentation. The end result? I just installed our first XServe
> for both security, shares, and workgrouping for our designers and to
> serve as our Intranet server. Next week my Windows PC gets replaced
> with a new PowerMac G5 for two distinct reasons:
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> 1. I'm also the webmaster and I explained how having a Mac with it's
> software just plain makes more sense.
> 2. I'm the guinea pig for IT infrastructure isolation. Get this: if I
> can weather virus inundation better than the rest of the IT staff and
> continue to do my work unhindered, the entire department may be moving
> to Macs. The only problem here is that we do our jobs too well. We have
> yet to be infected by any of the major viruses that have hit the past
> couple years. :/
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> I've been through that war though and can offer arguments specific to
> your needs if such should arise. Just let me know. And Jim is right,
> BTW. Never make your argument by bashing the opposing argument. You do
> far more harm to your case than aid.
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> Chris Van Cleve
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> On May 31, 2004, at 12:59 PM, jim Lagnese wrote:
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>> May be so, but you might as well try. If you circumvent them, she may
>> lose
>> the whole Mac battle. At least get on record with a cogent argument
>> and the
>> facts. Work it up from there. Unfortunately, it's their sandbox.
>> Jim
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>> Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a
>> different result.
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>> Albert Einstein
>>> Unfortunately I
>>> don't see a whole lot of ways to inform them of the truth w/o them
>>> losing face.
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>>> On May 31, 2004, at 8:44 AM, jim Lagnese wrote:
>>>> Actually there is one scenario where it=B9s not just enabling DHCP to
>>>> use the internet. They could be using a proxy server, one that does
>>>> content filtering, and it could require authentication. Even if all
>>>> you need is to have DHCP to connect, all they have to do is look at
>>>> their DHCP leases and see who is connected. An increase of 14 would
>>>> be
>>>> suspicious. On top of that, what if they limit the number of leases?
>>>> They may have to increase their pool to allow you to surf. Not a big
>>>> deal, but they would have to know.
>>>>=20
>>> --
>>> Bryan Baker
>>> President
>>> Des Moines Macintosh Users Group
>>> http://www.dmmug.org
>>> president@dmmug.org
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