[DM-MUG] 600 MHz iBook refuses to take OS X
Ray Bowler
dmmug@dmmug.org
Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:46:13 -0500
I use Carbon Copy Cloner or Intego Personal Backup X to clone a
drive. I think other may have other suggestions. Cloning creates a
complete exact copy of the original. Run it from the drive being
cloned. Erase the target drive. Run repair permissions on the source
drive. If you do not do these two items before cloning you could have
problems. If using CCC be sure and select "Made Drive bootable" from
the preferences. No such option in PB X but it produces bootable
drives.
At 7:54 PM -0500 on 8/3/04, CW Smith wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] 600 MHz
iBook refuses to take OS X:
>Thanks, everyone, for all your advice and brainstorming. Keep it coming.
>
>Unfortunately, I don't have Rose's iBook with me now to try cloning OSX from
>the iPod. Does this actually work? There are several folders and hidden
>files in OSX, so I'd have to be sure to clone everything. I'd been told you
>can't copy OSX from one drive directly to another. If it works, however, we
>may be in biz.
>
>The Puma CD was hers, and presumably there were no problems with it. The
>Panther CD was my own, and I know for a fact that it works.
>
>The crashes occurred about two-thirds of the way through the "writing files"
>routine. We never got to the point of inserting CD 2 in Panther.
>
>My fear is that something, either hardware or software related, is
>interfering with the install on this particular machine. There's no reason
>a 600 MHz iBook shouldn't take Panther (again, I'm running it on a Blueberry
>iBook at 300 MHz). And it was running Puma before she tried to update, so
>why shouldn't it go back on the machine?
>
>The only two things I can come up with are: (1) I missed an OSX file on her
>hard drive (either corrupt, hidden, or both) or (2) we have one of the
>infamous faulty iBook logic boards, which I and her Apple dealer agree might
>be a factor, but which Apple denies is a factor.
>
>I will speak talk to Rose and see if I can get her machine again to try the
>iPod clone, but I want to be really, really sure we're not barking up the
>wrong tree here. Remember, she's in Chicago. Shipping an iBook is
>expensive and nerve-wracking, and I don't want to put her through that
>unnecessarily.
>
>Peace,
>CW
>
>
>On 8/3/04 6:41 PM, "Bailey Ford" <bailey@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> hmmmm...
>>
>> glad to hear you were reformatting and did the pram/pmu things.
>>
>> how about installing OS X on the ipod and then cloning it onto the
>> ibook's drive?
>>
>> where in the install process does it crash? Do the install disks work
>> with other machines?
>>
>> you can repair permissions just by booting from the CD.
>>
>> Don't worry - we'll figure it out. :)
>>
>> -bailey
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 6:18 PM, CW Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Zapped the PRAM and reset the PMU. Attempted to repair permissions
>>> but of
>>> course there was no OSX to boot from. Guys, I'm at my wits end.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/3/04 6:11 PM, "Ray Bowler" <rbowler@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Since we are groping--did you try zaping the PRAM?
> >>>
> >>> At 5:24 PM -0500 on 8/3/04, CW Smith wrote about Re: [DM-MUG] 600 MHz
>>>> iBook refuses to take OS X:
>>>>> Yes, I did in fact reformat the drive. Both times.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/04 4:39 PM, "Bailey Ford" <bailey@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a fun time you had! I had a few thoughts while reading your
>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you say 'wiping the drive' it sounds to me like you are just
>>>>>> deleting all the files, but not reformatting the drive. I would
>>>>>> definitely reformat this drive before trying to install any
>>>>>> version of
>>>>>> OS X again. This would insure that all the invisible files and the
>>>>>> boot
>>>>>> sector were erased properly. Make sure you format it as an HFS+
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you and the Apple rep in Chicago suspect a defective logic
>>>>>> board,
>>>>>> you might run the hardware diagnostics that come with most Macs.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> would test most of the hardware components to make sure they pass
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>> tests of functionality and should highlight seriously defective and
> >>>>> broken hardware. I did not receive this disk with my most recent
>>>>>> mac,
>>>>>> but I have in the past. Worth a try if you have it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep us updated!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -bailey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 3:19 PM, CW Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mac mystery of the week:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My friend Rose called me a few weeks ago when she was trying to
>>>>>>> upgrade to
>>>>>>> Panther on her 600 MHz iBook. The machine bombed in the middle
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> install and wouldn't (of course) boot to OSX afterward. She
>>>>>>> booted
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> installer CD, and tried again to install OSX, but the machine
>>>>>>> told her
>>>>>>> OSX
>>>>>>> was already installed. I showed her how to change the startup
>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> OS9, and she's at least able to use her iBook now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A couple of weeks later, she brought her iBook to me to see
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> I'd have
>>>>>>> any luck. I began by removing all visible OSX system files and
>>>>>>> emptying the
>>>>>>> trash. I then tried installing Panther, with exactly the same
>>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wiped OSX files again and tried installing Puma (10.1). Again,
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I then backed up her hard drive to my iPod, wiped her drive
>>>>>>> clean, and
>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>> installing Panther again. Nope. I wiped her drive clean AGAIN,
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>> Puma. No way, José.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wiped her drive once more, put her files back on from my iPod,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>> her iBook back to her in the same condition in which I received
>>>>>>> it:
>>>>>>> booting
>>>>>>> from OS9, with no OSX.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggested to her that Apple had a program for dealing with
>>>>>>> defective
>>>>>>> logic
>>>>>>> boards on iBooks, and suggested that this may be the root cause
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> problem. She took it to an Apple dealer in Chicago, who agreed
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> logic board may be to blame. Apple, on the other hand, says that
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> NOT indicative of a faulty logic board and has washed their hands
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would cause these installation problems? Are there other
>>>>>>> files,
>>>>>>> perhaps invisible from OS9, that are interfering with the
>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>> process? I know her processor and memory are capable of Panther
>>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>> have an
>>>>>>> old Blueberry iBook that runs Panther without a hiccup), but I'm
>>>>>>> at a
>>>>>>> loss
>>>>>>> as to what the glitch is that's causing the installation crashes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any help in this matter would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peace,
>>>>>>> CW
>>>>>>>
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