[ciapug] Re: Meeting Monday?

[Claus]

On 9/28/2007 3:43 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> On 9/28/07, Mike Parks <mparks at captainjack.com> wrote:
>>  I haven't gone very far with ZooP either. Still fighting a stubborn server.
>>
>>  How many here are using some type of framework in their development.
>>  And which one?
> 
> The related question is how many people here create web applications
> as opposed to creating websites.
> 
> A friend of mine just did http://www.buckleyandfudge.com/ which really
> doesn't have much PHP in it. Doing that type of work makes using a
> framework seem silly (and justifiably, he didn't use a framework for
> that site).
> 
> I recently made an application using a framework
> <http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/> and I think I cut my dev time to
> about 1/5th or 1/3rd of what it usually takes. Getting people to
> decide how it's going to work takes longer than creating the app. :-(

No offense but these sites don't show how much, what, or if any was 
created with PHP or some other language.  I could easily see that these 
sites are purely created with HTML and CSS.  I think it's the inside 
info that brings some of the interesting stuff out.  Specifically 
describing what is done dynamically.

I did a little behind the scenes web page that gives a small glimpse of 
the content management for my personal website.  But I must say I did a 
crappy job describing the quick index.  Basically all content pages 
except the weekly pictures are separate html documents that could 
theoretically viewed directly, however Apache redirects won't let you. 
Instead a php script is passed the url that you are viewing.  The script 
takes the quick-index which is defined as an array (odd way of doing it 
but I couldn't come up with anything better) places it to the right and 
tears the content html document apart (header vs. body) and places each 
in it's appropriate place.  So all the meta headers are based on the 
individual page that is being displayed.  Background colors, borders and 
the like can be changed in the "template" php script.  As you can see 
it's fairly old and does not use any CSS, just tables.

http://niesens.com
http://bessie.niesens.com/behind-the-scenes/niesens-behind-the-scenes.html

This site is quite similar to it:
http://heartofiowaswe.org

I guess my php stuff is already 5 to 6 years old.  The age of the whole 
thing makes me wonder about frame works.  Do you feel you need to keep 
your framework up to date?

   Claus