[ciapug] Frameworks

[carl-olsen at mchsi.com]

I don't think we did introductions last night, or I arrived after they took place.  I'm like the person who said they like to look at all these frameworks, but then they like to build their own from scratch so it doesn't have all that extra stuff they will never use.  I completely agree with that.  I like to build everything from scratch.  I also like to look at open source software to see how it works, because I can build anything but I can't always think of what it is I want to build.  Seeing these examples gives me great ideas.

On the other hand, I can't rule out that I might decide to use one of the frameworks if it looks useful.  I tried to install propel once but ran into a problem somewhere.  I ended up writing my own class file generator that goes through the database and builds a class object for each table in the database with the insert, update, delete, and select methods.  That saves me a lot of time.

Carl Olsen
Drake University

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Matthew Nuzum" <newz at bearfruit.org>
>
> Someone I correspond with loves this PHP framework called Agavi:
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/5907?p=Agavi
> 
> I've never used it, and I find their website's lack of helpful
> information kind of a put-off, but this guy is a major code purist and
> a fanatic about well organized and well optimized code. That he speaks
> for it means to me that its worth investigating. Anyone here know
> anything about it?
> 
> We talked last night about discussing frameworks at a future meeting,
> here's an idea, just as a topic starter:
> 
> What if each of us (who are interested in it) picked a framework and
> then we all tried to build the same application with it. We could
> start with clearly defined goals, the same HTML and end with roughly
> the same results. Then compare how easy or difficult it was to create
> the application with the various frameworks.
> 
> Then, at the meeting, we could each do a lightning talk about what was
> good, bad and ugly regarding the framework we evaluated.
> 
> If we did this, I think it'd be interesting if we included a few
> non-php frameworks, such as Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) and Grails
> (Java). For PHP I know of Cake, Symphony and the aforementioned agave.
> Any others?
> 
> http://www.rubyonrails.com/
> http://www.djangoproject.com/
> http://grails.codehaus.org/
> http://www.cakephp.org/
> http://www.symfony-project.com/
> http://www.agavi.org/
> 
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> Matthew Nuzum
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