[ciapug] Re: design/layout process

Carl Olsen carl-olsen at mchsi.com
Sat Apr 29 18:01:27 CDT 2006 

I would say the greatest design tool you have is CSS.  Dreamweaver 8 has
good support for CSS.

I also use Zend Studio for PHP, but not always.  If I'm making a set of
class files using PHP, Zend Studio is very helpful.  It's also very helpful
if you are using an open source set of class files like magpie for RSS or
the Phoogle PHP class for Google maps.  I'm not sure I'd shell out $300 for
Zend Studio, but it's installed on my computer at work and I can use the
license at home as long as I'm not using it on the work computer at the same
time (which means it doesn't cost me anything to use it).

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:41 PM
To: PHP List
Subject: Re: [ciapug] Re: design/layout process

That's my issue too. I'm definitely not a designer. However, I think its
important to keep learning new stuff.

It would be great to learn to how to do some basic designer stuff. 


On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 14:50, Mike Parks wrote:
> Design, not exactly my strong suit. Thats were the designers come in. lol.
> But for my personal sites, I use Photoshop and Dreamweaver to get the
design 
> layed out. Then msake it a class file. And build the PHP in Zend Studio,
or 
> Eclipse.
> 
> ;-)
> Mike
> 
> 
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> > So what's up? Did to group die? Or just nothing new?
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> > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:24:39 -0500
> > From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
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> > Only the walking dead are here today. ;-)
> >
> > I'm busy reading about AJAX Patterns and Best Practices (Apress.com),
but
> > it's mostly JavaScript running with ASP.NET, Mono, and JSP (threading
and
> > caching, so far).  I tried the threading example with PHP and it worked.
> >
> > <?php
> >    sleep(10);
> >    print("something");
> > ?>
> >
> > You send an AJAX request to load this PHP page which hangs for ten 
> > seconds.
> > While it is hanging, you send a second AJAX request to another page 
> > (usually
> > an XML file) and it pulls in the content from the second page while the
> > first one is still hanging.  The example demonstrates asynchronous 
> > requests.
> >
> > Interesting stuff.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Mike Parks
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:58 PM
> > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > Subject: [ciapug] Re:
> >
> > Damn Spammers... Sreedhar Reddy <kikkuri_sreedharreddy at yahoo.com>
> >
> > So what's up? Did to group die? Or just nothing new?
> > lman/listinfo/ciapug
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> > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:23:32 -0500
> > From: "Dave J. Hala Jr." <dave at 58ghz.net>
> > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Re:
> > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, PHP List <ciapug at cialug.org>
> > Message-ID: <1146252212.2135.221.camel at dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
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> > I've got a new version of studio 8 I've been playing with...It just got
> > here today. After two years of asking "what html editor would make me
> > more productive", I decided that it wasn't the fact that I was wring my
> > html hand by hand... It was the design/layout process that was slowing
> > me down and  *that* was the hold up...
> >
> > So, hopefully the new process will be: Do the design and layout in
> > Fireworks then move it into dreamweaver. Get the html all setup so its
> > pretty. Add in my php and *poof* its done and its pretty....
> >
> > If it doesn't speed up the process, its quite a chunk of change down the
> > drain...
> >
> > We'll see...
> >
> > :) Dave
> >
> > On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 13:24, Carl Olsen wrote:
> >> Only the walking dead are here today. ;-)
> >>
> >> I'm busy reading about AJAX Patterns and Best Practices (Apress.com),
but
> >> it's mostly JavaScript running with ASP.NET, Mono, and JSP (threading
and
> >> caching, so far).  I tried the threading example with PHP and it
worked.
> >>
> >> <?php
> >>     sleep(10);
> >>     print("something");
> >> ?>
> >>
> >> You send an AJAX request to load this PHP page which hangs for ten 
> >> seconds.
> >> While it is hanging, you send a second AJAX request to another page 
> >> (usually
> >> an XML file) and it pulls in the content from the second page while the
> >> first one is still hanging.  The example demonstrates asynchronous 
> >> requests.
> >>
> >> Interesting stuff.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Mike Parks
> >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:58 PM
> >> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> >> Subject: [ciapug] Re:
> >>
> >> Damn Spammers... Sreedhar Reddy <kikkuri_sreedharreddy at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> So what's up? Did to group die? Or just nothing new?
> >> lman/listinfo/ciapug
> >>
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> > Dave J. Hala Jr., President <dave at osis.us>
> > 641.485.1606
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:19:57 -0500
> > From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Re:
> > To: "'Dave J. Hala Jr.'" <dave at 58ghz.net>, "'PHP List'"
> > <ciapug at cialug.org>
> > Message-ID: <002a01c66b11$e28e9910$1c00a8c0 at workstation8>
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> >
> > I use Dreamweaver a lot.  I use Photoshop instead of Fireworks, but I'm 
> > sure
> > Fireworks is fine for web site graphics.  I've seen people do design
work 
> > in
> > Fireworks and it looks great.  I use Studio 8 and Adobe CS2 both at home

> > and
> > at work.  Dreamweaver has fairly good support for PHP, at least as good
as
> > any other programming language (ASP, PHP, JSP, and ASP.NET are the ones 
> > I'm
> > familiar with).  I write most of my PHP using Dreamweaver.  I think you 
> > made
> > the right choice.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave at 58ghz.net]
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:24 PM
> > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Re:
> >
> > I've got a new version of studio 8 I've been playing with...It just got
> > here today. After two years of asking "what html editor would make me
> > more productive", I decided that it wasn't the fact that I was wring my
> > html hand by hand... It was the design/layout process that was slowing
> > me down and  *that* was the hold up...
> >
> > So, hopefully the new process will be: Do the design and layout in
> > Fireworks then move it into dreamweaver. Get the html all setup so its
> > pretty. Add in my php and *poof* its done and its pretty....
> >
> > If it doesn't speed up the process, its quite a chunk of change down the
> > drain...
> >
> > We'll see...
> >
> > :) Dave
> >
> > On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 13:24, Carl Olsen wrote:
> >> Only the walking dead are here today. ;-)
> >>
> >> I'm busy reading about AJAX Patterns and Best Practices (Apress.com),
but
> >> it's mostly JavaScript running with ASP.NET, Mono, and JSP (threading
and
> >> caching, so far).  I tried the threading example with PHP and it
worked.
> >>
> >> <?php
> >>     sleep(10);
> >>     print("something");
> >> ?>
> >>
> >> You send an AJAX request to load this PHP page which hangs for ten
> > seconds.
> >> While it is hanging, you send a second AJAX request to another page
> > (usually
> >> an XML file) and it pulls in the content from the second page while the
> >> first one is still hanging.  The example demonstrates asynchronous
> > requests.
> >>
> >> Interesting stuff.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf
> >> Of Mike Parks
> >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:58 PM
> >> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> >> Subject: [ciapug] Re:
> >>
> >> Damn Spammers... Sreedhar Reddy <kikkuri_sreedharreddy at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> So what's up? Did to group die? Or just nothing new?
> >> lman/listinfo/ciapug
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