[ciapug] Re: PHP article
Tony Bibbs
tony at tonybibbs.com
Sat Oct 22 08:45:28 CDT 2005
Remember folks, IBM is part of the Eclipse foundation too. They make a
sh*tload from WSAD (now RAD 6.0). I fully expect Zend to jump on the
same bandwagon (i.e. some stuff free, some stuff proprietary).
Don't worry, they'll make their money.
--Tony
Carl Olsen wrote:
> PHP5 is a major advance for PHP. I'm not surprised people are taking it
> seriously.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
> Of parksmike at dwx.com
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Subject: [ciapug] Re: PHP article
>
> Well apparently there's no need to cough up the $300 for Zend Studio.
> http://www.zend.com/collaboration/qanda.php
> "What does it mean for Zend Studio and its existing customers?
>
> Many people are using Zend Studio today. We will continue to support
> these customers. But there is also a large segment of our customer
> population that wants tooling on Eclipse to build their own ecosystems. We
> will support those people, as well.
>
> By joining Eclipse, our customers will get a standard development
> platform, an open API and a huge ecosystem of third party tools and
> applications"
>
> Looks like all major players are jumping on the PHP Collaboration
> Project(PCP) band wagon: IBM, Oracle, MySQL, Intel, Actuate, ADP, FileMaker,
> Schematic, StepUp Commerce, OmniTI, 100days.de, SugarCRM, bebe.com, and
> Marco Tabini, publisher of PHP Architect Magazine.
>
> It'll will be intersting to see.
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Mike Parks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: 10/21/2005 10:20:14 AM
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Subject: ciapug Digest, Vol 6, Issue 6
>
>
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>> 1. Re: Greetings (Scott Phillips)
>> 2. Follow-up (Tina White)
>> 3. Re: Follow-up (Tony Bibbs)
>> 4. Re: Greetings (Ron Mutchler, ZCE)
>> 5. Re: Re: Greetings (parksmike at dwx.com)
>> 6. Re: Greetings (Claus)
>> 7. Re: Greetings (Claus)
>> 8. RE: Follow-up (Carl Olsen)
>> 9. RE: Follow-up (Scott Phillips)
>> 10. Re: Re: Follow-up (parksmike at dwx.com)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:06:34 -0500
>>From: Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at DRAKE.EDU>
>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051020120221.021a47a8 at mail.drake.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>>Since I work in a library I just gotta say it.... Naw, nevermind.
>>
>>Actually, I don't know if any instructor led training around here. I many
>
>
>>many of the people here started with the intro tutorial on php.net at:
>>http://us2.php.net/tut.php
>>
>>What is your background? Perhaps we could give you some pointers.
>>
>>
>>At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
>>>that could be helpful?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Tina White
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:06:55 -0500
>>From: Tina White <tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
>>Subject: [ciapug] Follow-up
>>To: "ciapug at cialug.org" <ciapug at cialug.org>
>>Message-ID: <BF7D38DF.3D17%tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>Tony and others,
>>
>>I've been doing some relatively simple PHP for a few months, so I've had
>
> to
>
>>learn-by-fire :-). But I'm struggling with some relatively complicated
>
> code
>
>>right now and wondering if there's a better way to learn. I really don't
>>have a programming background at all, I'm sorry to say.
>>
>>Suggestions?
>>
>>- Tina
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 3
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:11:42 -0500
>>From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Follow-up
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <4357CFCE.2050203 at tonybibbs.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>
>>Tina White wrote:
>>
>>>Suggestions?
>>
>>Sure, just fire over any questions. Been a long time since we've had
>>any PHP code posted to the list. We'd be happy to help you trudge
>>through the code...which, as I implied, I find the best way to learn.
>>
>>Search the archives of this list...I recall a thread where people were
>>posting links to a ton of great PHP resources for newbies.
>>
>>--Tony
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 4
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:32:38 -0500
>>From: "Ron Mutchler, ZCE" <qsecofr at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID:
>> <3e7d8b6c0510201032r63708083j2f29fcb94b578e3c at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>It depends upon your background. If you have prior experience
>>programming in other languages, you might actually learn faster using
>>the dive in and learn as you go method. If you have never written
>>code, then you might want to consider some instruction.
>>
>>When I first started learning PHP a few years ago, I choose the
>>Baptism by Fire method. My objective was to completely rewrite my
>>website from the ground up. The current stuff wasn't doing what I
>>wanted. PHP.net is an excellent recource for language reference. One
>>thing that helped me out greatly is the fact that you can goto
>>http://php.net/(insert function name) and it will take you right to
>>that function in the manual (Example: http://php.net/str_replace )
>>
>>Another thing that might help is using an IDE such as Zend, NuSphere,
>>or one of the other various PHP Editors available. When you are
>>writing code, this will help you learn the syntax by showing you your
>>errors, without having to run the script to find syntax errors.
>>
>>You should also consider possibly picking up a PHP book at a bookstore
>>or library and reading the book. If anything, read the beginning, and
>>use the remainder to learn concepts that you don't understand with the
>>language.
>>
>>Reading other people's code helps too. Find PHP snippets on the web,
>>read them and understand what they are doing. Doing so will help you
>>grow as a developer.
>>
>>That's about all I can think of at this point in them. If someone has
>>some points that I missed, feel free to expand on what I've said.
>>
>>
>>On 10/20/05, Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at drake.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Since I work in a library I just gotta say it.... Naw, nevermind.
>>>
>>>Actually, I don't know if any instructor led training around here. I
>
> many
>
>>>many of the people here started with the intro tutorial on php.net at:
>>>http://us2.php.net/tut.php
>>>
>>>What is your background? Perhaps we could give you some pointers.
>>>
>>>
>>>At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>
> anything
>
>>>>that could be helpful?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Tina White
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 5
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:24:06 -0500
>>From: "parksmike at dwx.com" <parksmike at dwx.com>
>>Subject: [ciapug] Re: Re: Greetings
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <e7dc15c9346048ad944c49d7b824bdfb.parksmike at dwx.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>>I haven't found any location with PHP instruction. Basically most of us
>
> have picked it up from the web and from books.
>
>>And since Vatterott has stopped their programming course, any programming
>
> instruction seems to be getting thinner, and thinner in Central Iowa. Even
> C/C++/C# seems to be limited to places like DMACC, or Drake
>
>>Hamiltons did have(Maybe still do???) a computer programming course
>
> (Mostly VB) I took one of them Basically, if you get your hands on the
> official MCP Visual Basic books you have the class. When I assked them about
> C/C++ I didn't get much of an answer. When I went looking for a programming
> course most of the schools like Vatterott and Hamilton's I asked about C/C++
> said that Des Moines did not have a market for it?
>
>>What I got out of trying to get formal instruction on about any
>
> programming is that, unless you want to spend DMACC or Drake type tuition
> costs? Grab all the books and read as much online as you can.
>
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>>Mike Parks
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: ciapug-request at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-request at cialug.org]
>>Sent: 10/20/2005 12:00:03 PM
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Subject: ciapug Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5
>>
>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:50:16 -0500
>>>From: Tina White <tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
>>>Subject: [ciapug] Greetings
>>>To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
>>>Message-ID: <BF7D34F8.3D0D%tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>
> anything
>
>>>that could be helpful?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Tina White
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:58:22 -0500
>>>From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
>>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>>Message-ID: <4357CCAE.4080003 at tonybibbs.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>>You looking for formal training or initiation by fire? I have a few
>>>ways to get training via the latter if that interests you. That's how I
>
>
>>>learned...never been a big fan of class-room training. But that's just
>>>me. What's you programming background, btw?
>>>
>>>--Tony
>>>
>>>Tina White wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>
> anything
>
>>>>that could be helpful?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Tina White
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 6
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:03:06 -0500
>>From: Claus <cniesen at gmx.net>
>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <4357F7FA.2020606 at gmx.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Tina,
>>
>>Ahh..the good old days when you could learn HTML, JavaScript, and things
>>like that by looking at the source code. That's the bad part about
>>server side scripting. You can't learn from others (without their
>>knowledge).
>>
>>Read-try-read is the best way to learn. If you need structured lessons
>>then a book would be best. That gives you projects to work on. If you
>>are the adventurous person that I am then you'll already have your
>>project in mind and you simply start on it and learn on the way
>>(probably from online references - google and php.net will be your
>
> friends).
>
>>Actually, in case you don't know. Php.net has a search function that
>>finds documentation of the available functions. The documents there are
>>well written and have samples. User can make comments that sometimes
>>adds (or distracts) to the understanding of the function.
>>
>>If you get stuck, ask these nice guys here on the list. They gladly
>>help you out.
>>
>> Claus
>>
>>
>>>At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>
> anything
>
>>>>that could be helpful?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Tina White
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 7
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:37 -0500
>>From: Claus <cniesen at gmx.net>
>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <4357FAE9.2070407 at gmx.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Don't forget to check for seminars if you want to learn in a class room
>>like setting. Even if they are not local you still can travel for a
>>couple days to some other town, i.e. California, and make a nice trip
>>out of it.
>>
>>Something like this maybe?
>>
>
> http://www.netcominfo.com/bootcamps/9030/Zend_PHP_Certification_Boot_Camp_tr
> aining.html?advid=65
>
>>http://www.webucator.com/ILO/WebDev/PHP10a.cfm
>>
>>php.net also has some training opportunities posted on the right hand
>>column. Trip to SF or Germany? :)
>>
>>On 10/20/2005 3:03 PM, Claus wrote:
>>
>>>Tina,
>>>
>>>Ahh..the good old days when you could learn HTML, JavaScript, and things
>
>
>>>like that by looking at the source code. That's the bad part about
>>>server side scripting. You can't learn from others (without their
>>>knowledge).
>>>
>>>Read-try-read is the best way to learn. If you need structured lessons
>>>then a book would be best. That gives you projects to work on. If you
>>>are the adventurous person that I am then you'll already have your
>>>project in mind and you simply start on it and learn on the way
>>>(probably from online references - google and php.net will be your
>>>friends).
>>>
>>>Actually, in case you don't know. Php.net has a search function that
>>>finds documentation of the available functions. The documents there are
>
>
>>>well written and have samples. User can make comments that sometimes
>>>adds (or distracts) to the understanding of the function.
>>>
>>>If you get stuck, ask these nice guys here on the list. They gladly
>>>help you out.
>>>
>>> Claus
>>>
>>>
>>>>At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>>>>>anything
>>>>>that could be helpful?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Tina White
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 8
>>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:49:01 -0500
>>From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
>>Subject: RE: [ciapug] Follow-up
>>To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
>>Message-ID: <001d01c5d646$31c33a60$1c00a8c0 at workstation8>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>I like books. I'm reading Beginning PHP5 and MySQL (apress.com), PHP
>>Objects, Patterns, and Practices (apress.com), and PHP5 Recipes
>>(apress.com). I've also been reading Professional PHP5 (wrox.com).
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
>
> Behalf
>
>>Of Tina White
>>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:07 PM
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Subject: [ciapug] Follow-up
>>
>>Tony and others,
>>
>>I've been doing some relatively simple PHP for a few months, so I've had
>
> to
>
>>learn-by-fire :-). But I'm struggling with some relatively complicated
>
> code
>
>>right now and wondering if there's a better way to learn. I really don't
>>have a programming background at all, I'm sorry to say.
>>
>>Suggestions?
>>
>>- Tina
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>ciapug mailing list
>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 9
>>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:18:06 -0500
>>From: Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at DRAKE.EDU>
>>Subject: RE: [ciapug] Follow-up
>>To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051021091513.0218a6e0 at mail.drake.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>Hey, Carl. The one apress book (formerly wrox or vice versa?) I've
>>purchased ("PHP MySQL Website Programming: Poblem - Design - Solution")
>
> had
>
>>sample code so rittled with errors is was almost useless. Have you seen
>>that in the others or was this just a bad apple?
>>
>>
>>At 08:49 AM 10/21/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>I like books. I'm reading Beginning PHP5 and MySQL (apress.com), PHP
>>>Objects, Patterns, and Practices (apress.com), and PHP5 Recipes
>>>(apress.com). I've also been reading Professional PHP5 (wrox.com).
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
>
> Behalf
>
>>>Of Tina White
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:07 PM
>>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>>Subject: [ciapug] Follow-up
>>>
>>>Tony and others,
>>>
>>>I've been doing some relatively simple PHP for a few months, so I've had
>
> to
>
>>>learn-by-fire :-). But I'm struggling with some relatively complicated
>
> code
>
>>>right now and wondering if there's a better way to learn. I really don't
>>>have a programming background at all, I'm sorry to say.
>>>
>>>Suggestions?
>>>
>>>- Tina
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ciapug mailing list
>>>ciapug at cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:20:08 -0500
>>From: "parksmike at dwx.com" <parksmike at dwx.com>
>>Subject: [ciapug] Re: Re: Follow-up
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Message-ID: <fea8f90363f248dba1afed91100ef1b5.parksmike at dwx.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>>Scott,
>>I read that book too, there was so many things about that book that I
>
> didn't like. The naming convention and folder structure of the directories
> was my main turn off. And all of the script errors. They have an errata on
> their website for it, but like I said I didn't like the book. If I want to
> get into PEAR more I might look at it again though, since that was its main
> focus.
>
>>Another one I didn't like was Secure PHP Development by Mohammad Kabir.
>
> Again PEAR based. I tried reading it 4 or 5 times, always stopped at chapter
> 4.
>
>>I'm finding it hard to find PHP books that are strictly OOP (without
>
> PEAR). All of the books I have looked at, eventually push the whole
> structure to PEAR. I'm not dissin` PEAR, but I not ready to use it in my
> programming.
>
>>I know Carl, seems to like the aPress books, I might have to look at them
>
> more too.
>
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>>Mike Parks
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: ciapug-request at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-request at cialug.org]
>>Sent: 10/20/2005 12:00:03 PM
>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>Subject: ciapug Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5
>>
>>
>>>Send ciapug mailing list submissions to
>>> ciapug at cialug.org
>>>
>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> ciapug-request at cialug.org
>>>
>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> ciapug-owner at cialug.org
>>>
>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>than "Re: Contents of ciapug digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>>Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Greetings (Tina White)
>>> 2. Re: Greetings (Tony Bibbs)
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:50:16 -0500
>>>From: Tina White <tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
>>>Subject: [ciapug] Greetings
>>>To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
>>>Message-ID: <BF7D34F8.3D0D%tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>
> anything
>
>>>that could be helpful?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Tina White
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:58:22 -0500
>>>From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
>>>To: ciapug at cialug.org
>>>Message-ID: <4357CCAE.4080003 at tonybibbs.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>>You looking for formal training or initiation by fire? I have a few
>>>ways to get training via the latter if that interests you. That's how I
>
>
>>>learned...never been a big fan of class-room training. But that's just
>>>me. What's you programming background, btw?
>>>
>>>--Tony
>>>
>>>Tina White wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
>>>>suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
>>>>central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
>
> anything
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