[ciapug] Re: PHP article
parksmike at dwx.com
parksmike at dwx.com
Fri Oct 21 11:52:28 CDT 2005
Well apparently there's no need to cough up the $300 for Zend Studio.
http://www.zend.com/collaboration/qanda.php
"What does it mean for Zend Studio and its existing customers?
Many people are using Zend Studio today. We will continue to support these customers. But there is also a large segment of our customer population that wants tooling on Eclipse to build their own ecosystems. We will support those people, as well.
By joining Eclipse, our customers will get a standard development platform, an open API and a huge ecosystem of third party tools and applications"
Looks like all major players are jumping on the PHP Collaboration Project(PCP) band wagon: IBM, Oracle, MySQL, Intel, Actuate, ADP, FileMaker, Schematic, StepUp Commerce, OmniTI, 100days.de, SugarCRM, bebe.com, and Marco Tabini, publisher of PHP Architect Magazine.
It'll will be intersting to see.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Mike Parks
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:06:34 -0500
> From: Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at DRAKE.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
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> Since I work in a library I just gotta say it.... Naw, nevermind.
>
> Actually, I don't know if any instructor led training around here. I many
> many of the people here started with the intro tutorial on php.net at:
> http://us2.php.net/tut.php
>
> What is your background? Perhaps we could give you some pointers.
>
>
> At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> >suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> >central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> >that could be helpful?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Tina White
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:06:55 -0500
> From: Tina White <tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
> Subject: [ciapug] Follow-up
> To: "ciapug at cialug.org" <ciapug at cialug.org>
> Message-ID: <BF7D38DF.3D17%tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
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> Tony and others,
>
> I've been doing some relatively simple PHP for a few months, so I've had to
> learn-by-fire :-). But I'm struggling with some relatively complicated code
> right now and wondering if there's a better way to learn. I really don't
> have a programming background at all, I'm sorry to say.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> - Tina
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:11:42 -0500
> From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Follow-up
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <4357CFCE.2050203 at tonybibbs.com>
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>
>
> Tina White wrote:
> > Suggestions?
>
> Sure, just fire over any questions. Been a long time since we've had
> any PHP code posted to the list. We'd be happy to help you trudge
> through the code...which, as I implied, I find the best way to learn.
>
> Search the archives of this list...I recall a thread where people were
> posting links to a ton of great PHP resources for newbies.
>
> --Tony
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:32:38 -0500
> From: "Ron Mutchler, ZCE" <qsecofr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
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> It depends upon your background. If you have prior experience
> programming in other languages, you might actually learn faster using
> the dive in and learn as you go method. If you have never written
> code, then you might want to consider some instruction.
>
> When I first started learning PHP a few years ago, I choose the
> Baptism by Fire method. My objective was to completely rewrite my
> website from the ground up. The current stuff wasn't doing what I
> wanted. PHP.net is an excellent recource for language reference. One
> thing that helped me out greatly is the fact that you can goto
> http://php.net/(insert function name) and it will take you right to
> that function in the manual (Example: http://php.net/str_replace )
>
> Another thing that might help is using an IDE such as Zend, NuSphere,
> or one of the other various PHP Editors available. When you are
> writing code, this will help you learn the syntax by showing you your
> errors, without having to run the script to find syntax errors.
>
> You should also consider possibly picking up a PHP book at a bookstore
> or library and reading the book. If anything, read the beginning, and
> use the remainder to learn concepts that you don't understand with the
> language.
>
> Reading other people's code helps too. Find PHP snippets on the web,
> read them and understand what they are doing. Doing so will help you
> grow as a developer.
>
> That's about all I can think of at this point in them. If someone has
> some points that I missed, feel free to expand on what I've said.
>
>
> On 10/20/05, Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at drake.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Since I work in a library I just gotta say it.... Naw, nevermind.
> >
> > Actually, I don't know if any instructor led training around here. I many
> > many of the people here started with the intro tutorial on php.net at:
> > http://us2.php.net/tut.php
> >
> > What is your background? Perhaps we could give you some pointers.
> >
> >
> > At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> > >suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> > >central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> > >that could be helpful?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Tina White
> > >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:24:06 -0500
> From: "parksmike at dwx.com" <parksmike at dwx.com>
> Subject: [ciapug] Re: Re: Greetings
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
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> I haven't found any location with PHP instruction. Basically most of us have picked it up from the web and from books.
>
> And since Vatterott has stopped their programming course, any programming instruction seems to be getting thinner, and thinner in Central Iowa. Even C/C++/C# seems to be limited to places like DMACC, or Drake
>
> Hamiltons did have(Maybe still do???) a computer programming course (Mostly VB) I took one of them Basically, if you get your hands on the official MCP Visual Basic books you have the class. When I assked them about C/C++ I didn't get much of an answer. When I went looking for a programming course most of the schools like Vatterott and Hamilton's I asked about C/C++ said that Des Moines did not have a market for it?
>
> What I got out of trying to get formal instruction on about any programming is that, unless you want to spend DMACC or Drake type tuition costs? Grab all the books and read as much online as you can.
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Mike Parks
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> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:50:16 -0500
> > From: Tina White <tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
> > Subject: [ciapug] Greetings
> > To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> > suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> > central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> > that could be helpful?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tina White
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:58:22 -0500
> > From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
> > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > Message-ID: <4357CCAE.4080003 at tonybibbs.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > You looking for formal training or initiation by fire? I have a few
> > ways to get training via the latter if that interests you. That's how I
> > learned...never been a big fan of class-room training. But that's just
> > me. What's you programming background, btw?
> >
> > --Tony
> >
> > Tina White wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> > > suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> > > central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> > > that could be helpful?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tina White
> > >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:03:06 -0500
> From: Claus <cniesen at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <4357F7FA.2020606 at gmx.net>
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>
> Tina,
>
> Ahh..the good old days when you could learn HTML, JavaScript, and things
> like that by looking at the source code. That's the bad part about
> server side scripting. You can't learn from others (without their
> knowledge).
>
> Read-try-read is the best way to learn. If you need structured lessons
> then a book would be best. That gives you projects to work on. If you
> are the adventurous person that I am then you'll already have your
> project in mind and you simply start on it and learn on the way
> (probably from online references - google and php.net will be your friends).
>
> Actually, in case you don't know. Php.net has a search function that
> finds documentation of the available functions. The documents there are
> well written and have samples. User can make comments that sometimes
> adds (or distracts) to the understanding of the function.
>
> If you get stuck, ask these nice guys here on the list. They gladly
> help you out.
>
> Claus
>
> > At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> >> suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> >> central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> >> that could be helpful?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tina White
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:37 -0500
> From: Claus <cniesen at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <4357FAE9.2070407 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Don't forget to check for seminars if you want to learn in a class room
> like setting. Even if they are not local you still can travel for a
> couple days to some other town, i.e. California, and make a nice trip
> out of it.
>
> Something like this maybe?
> http://www.netcominfo.com/bootcamps/9030/Zend_PHP_Certification_Boot_Camp_training.html?advid=65
> http://www.webucator.com/ILO/WebDev/PHP10a.cfm
>
> php.net also has some training opportunities posted on the right hand
> column. Trip to SF or Germany? :)
>
> On 10/20/2005 3:03 PM, Claus wrote:
> > Tina,
> >
> > Ahh..the good old days when you could learn HTML, JavaScript, and things
> > like that by looking at the source code. That's the bad part about
> > server side scripting. You can't learn from others (without their
> > knowledge).
> >
> > Read-try-read is the best way to learn. If you need structured lessons
> > then a book would be best. That gives you projects to work on. If you
> > are the adventurous person that I am then you'll already have your
> > project in mind and you simply start on it and learn on the way
> > (probably from online references - google and php.net will be your
> > friends).
> >
> > Actually, in case you don't know. Php.net has a search function that
> > finds documentation of the available functions. The documents there are
> > well written and have samples. User can make comments that sometimes
> > adds (or distracts) to the understanding of the function.
> >
> > If you get stuck, ask these nice guys here on the list. They gladly
> > help you out.
> >
> > Claus
> >
> >> At 11:50 AM 10/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> >>> suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> >>> central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of
> >>> anything
> >>> that could be helpful?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Tina White
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ciapug mailing list
> > ciapug at cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:49:01 -0500
> From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] Follow-up
> To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
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> I like books. I'm reading Beginning PHP5 and MySQL (apress.com), PHP
> Objects, Patterns, and Practices (apress.com), and PHP5 Recipes
> (apress.com). I've also been reading Professional PHP5 (wrox.com).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
> Of Tina White
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:07 PM
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Subject: [ciapug] Follow-up
>
> Tony and others,
>
> I've been doing some relatively simple PHP for a few months, so I've had to
> learn-by-fire :-). But I'm struggling with some relatively complicated code
> right now and wondering if there's a better way to learn. I really don't
> have a programming background at all, I'm sorry to say.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> - Tina
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:18:06 -0500
> From: Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at DRAKE.EDU>
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] Follow-up
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051021091513.0218a6e0 at mail.drake.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hey, Carl. The one apress book (formerly wrox or vice versa?) I've
> purchased ("PHP MySQL Website Programming: Poblem - Design - Solution") had
> sample code so rittled with errors is was almost useless. Have you seen
> that in the others or was this just a bad apple?
>
>
> At 08:49 AM 10/21/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >I like books. I'm reading Beginning PHP5 and MySQL (apress.com), PHP
> >Objects, Patterns, and Practices (apress.com), and PHP5 Recipes
> >(apress.com). I've also been reading Professional PHP5 (wrox.com).
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
> >Of Tina White
> >Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:07 PM
> >To: ciapug at cialug.org
> >Subject: [ciapug] Follow-up
> >
> >Tony and others,
> >
> >I've been doing some relatively simple PHP for a few months, so I've had to
> >learn-by-fire :-). But I'm struggling with some relatively complicated code
> >right now and wondering if there's a better way to learn. I really don't
> >have a programming background at all, I'm sorry to say.
> >
> >Suggestions?
> >
> >- Tina
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ciapug mailing list
> >ciapug at cialug.org
> >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ciapug mailing list
> >ciapug at cialug.org
> >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:20:08 -0500
> From: "parksmike at dwx.com" <parksmike at dwx.com>
> Subject: [ciapug] Re: Re: Follow-up
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <fea8f90363f248dba1afed91100ef1b5.parksmike at dwx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Scott,
> I read that book too, there was so many things about that book that I didn't like. The naming convention and folder structure of the directories was my main turn off. And all of the script errors. They have an errata on their website for it, but like I said I didn't like the book. If I want to get into PEAR more I might look at it again though, since that was its main focus.
>
> Another one I didn't like was Secure PHP Development by Mohammad Kabir. Again PEAR based. I tried reading it 4 or 5 times, always stopped at chapter 4.
>
> I'm finding it hard to find PHP books that are strictly OOP (without PEAR). All of the books I have looked at, eventually push the whole structure to PEAR. I'm not dissin` PEAR, but I not ready to use it in my programming.
>
> I know Carl, seems to like the aPress books, I might have to look at them more too.
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Mike Parks
>
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> Sent: 10/20/2005 12:00:03 PM
> To: ciapug at cialug.org
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> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Greetings (Tina White)
> > 2. Re: Greetings (Tony Bibbs)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:50:16 -0500
> > From: Tina White <tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
> > Subject: [ciapug] Greetings
> > To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
> > Message-ID: <BF7D34F8.3D0D%tinwhite at desmoine.gannett.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> > suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> > central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> > that could be helpful?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tina White
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:58:22 -0500
> > From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ciapug] Greetings
> > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > Message-ID: <4357CCAE.4080003 at tonybibbs.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > You looking for formal training or initiation by fire? I have a few
> > ways to get training via the latter if that interests you. That's how I
> > learned...never been a big fan of class-room training. But that's just
> > me. What's you programming background, btw?
> >
> > --Tony
> >
> > Tina White wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the list and to PHP. I was wondering if any of you had any
> > > suggestions where I can go for some PHP training? I've looked all over
> > > central Iowa and just can't find anything. Do any of you know of anything
> > > that could be helpful?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tina White
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ciapug mailing list
> > > ciapug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
> >
> >
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> >
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