[ciapug] Web Professionalism

Mon Nov 28 10:29:24 CST 2005

I would try to extract all those things that are 100% the same, generalize
the code, then make a higher level abstract object that the others extend
from.  I have tried this technique before when I run into the problems you
are describing and it has worked out in the past.

On 11/28/05, Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at drake.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Here's the problem I've been having with my OO approach. If someone has
> any
> words of wisdom here, that'd be great.
>
> Every time I need to work with  a new "thing" (object) I find myself
> creating a new class that is almost identical to all the others I've
> written. In fact, when pressed for time, I've been known to save a copy of
> an existing class, do a find/replace on a number of terms, and then make
> whatever changes are necessary. So I've got a dozen or more 200-300 line
> classes that are 80% identical (and that's with stuff like db connectivity
> abstracted out). They all seem to do the same things... get some data,
> manipulate it, store it, retrieve it. Yeah, I know that this should raise
> some big red flags in terms of my approach but I keep doing it anyway.
>
>
>
>
> At 04:49 PM 11/25/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >I agree.  There's not a whole lot of difference so far, but I think
> that's
> >because I haven't learned enough to do much else with classes than put a
> >bunch of functions inside them.  I really haven't begun to scratch the
> >surface yet.  I'm inheriting my data connections from a class file, which
> >seems like an easier to do it.  I'm not sure I couldn't have done the
> same
> >thing with a bunch of functions in an included file.  I guess the main
> >benefit I'm seeing is that I'm putting a lot more code into functions and
> >putting them in a separate file.  I'm not sure it's OOP that is making me
> do
> >that, but I wasn't doing it before and I'm really starting to see the
> >benefit because it makes things a lot easier to figure out when I come
> back
> >and look at the code several months later.  I'm giving OOP the credit for
> >that, although I may be off base.
> >
> >Carl
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf
> >Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> >Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:10 AM
> >To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> >Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> >
> >I have all kinds of inc files with string formating libraries, database
> >connectivity, listboxes and all that stuff... I have tons of code that I
> >reuse, that code  is kept in include files.  I have my html include,
> >database connectivity include, formatting include, etc.
> >
> >They are just not called "objects" and "classes", they are collections
> >of functions and procedures.
> >
> >I have almost no php code in any of my .html files, in fact I keep all
> >my html and php code seperate.
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 09:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > > I appreciate it.  I think you verbalized it well.  You are still
> learning
> > > and your code just reflects the level you are at.  That's exactly what
> I'm
> > > doing.  The difference I see is that I frequently do the same things
> over
> > > and over again.  I'm frequently writing code to maintain some kind of
> > > inventory table in a database.  I've written class files that contain
> all
> > > the code I need for display a drop down list (you feed it the name you
> >want
> > > the input control to have, the value if it has a value, and all the
> html
> > > necessary to rending the control.  I've written class files with
> nothing
> >but
> > > string formatting functions.  I usually write a class that opens and
> >closes
> > > my connection to the database and then my other classes that maintain
> the
> > > tables inherit from that database class.  The more I do it, the more I
> >like
> > > it.  It makes the code modular and reusable.  I'm finding it easier to
> go
> > > back and maintain it later.  I'm moving from a procedural model to an
> >object
> > > oriented model, because I've been doing the procedural model for so
> long
> > > it's no longer difficult.  When I first started learning PHP, it was
> >easier
> > > to drop all the code directly into the HTML page in the exact spot
> where
> >it
> > > was going to perform some function.  Now that I feel comfortable with
> >that,
> > > I'm looking for ways to make the code more modular, and OOP is it.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much!
> > >
> > > Carl
> > > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> >Behalf
> > > Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> > > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:58 AM
> > > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> > > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > >
> > > It's difficult to verbalize. Let me try... I think that procedural
> > > programming is more like the thought process I use.   Not that I don't
> > > sometimes think in "object mode", because I usually do at the
> beginning
> > > of the process. (that's the curse of us south paws...)
> > >
> > > Usually, I'll conceptualize the problem, then break it into components
> > > (objects)  Typically, I'll start in the middle of the problem and work
> > > my way out. Once I have compartmentalized all my components, (objects)
> > > I'll define each one using psuedo code. Then I'll convert that to
> code.
> > >
> > > The pseudo code tends to be really linear and that seems to favor
> > > procedural methods. If I had "pre-made" objects, I could probably skip
> > > the definition stage. Then I would be doing OOP. However, most of my
> > > stuff is very, very specific and won't fit well into a generic object
> > > container. ( did I say that?!!)
> > >
> > > Not to be off subject, but I think the key component of the "web
> > > proffesional" topic isn't really about how everyone else is doing it,
> or
> > > what the current trends are, but its more about continually learning
> and
> > > applying new techniques as they are appropriate in your envirnoment.
> In
> > > other words, developers need to continually grow and evolve, as do the
> > > systems they maintain.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > > > What do you like better about procedural?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org]
> On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:04 PM
> > > > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> > > > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > > >
> > > > I'm not against OOP PHP code, I do a little of it but I still prefer
> to
> > > > do procedural.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:27, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > > > > I have a question for everyone.  How many people prefer to write
> > > > procedural
> > > > > PHP code as opposed to object oriented (OOP) PHP code?
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org]
> On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of laith
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:43 AM
> > > > > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > > > >
> > > > > Keeping up is always good.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately not everyone thinks this way so many good things you
> >might
> > >
> > > > > learn will not be useful for longer than it should take.
> > > > >
> > > > > Laith
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Van Cleve wrote:
> > > > > > There has been a flurry of articles this week about New Web
> > > > > > professionalism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See: http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_11.html#a000590
> > > > > > http://webstandards.org/
> > > > > > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/
> > > > > > a_web_professional_can_never_stop_learning/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe in this whole-heartedly. Keeping up with standards,
> > > > > > methodologies, trends, etc. is important as a true professional.
> I
> >am
> > >
> > > > > > curious what everyone else's take on this is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris VC
> > > > > >
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