[ciapug] Web Professionalism

Fri Nov 25 16:49:19 CST 2005

I agree.  There's not a whole lot of difference so far, but I think that's
because I haven't learned enough to do much else with classes than put a
bunch of functions inside them.  I really haven't begun to scratch the
surface yet.  I'm inheriting my data connections from a class file, which
seems like an easier to do it.  I'm not sure I couldn't have done the same
thing with a bunch of functions in an included file.  I guess the main
benefit I'm seeing is that I'm putting a lot more code into functions and
putting them in a separate file.  I'm not sure it's OOP that is making me do
that, but I wasn't doing it before and I'm really starting to see the
benefit because it makes things a lot easier to figure out when I come back
and look at the code several months later.  I'm giving OOP the credit for
that, although I may be off base.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 11:10 AM
To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism

I have all kinds of inc files with string formating libraries, database
connectivity, listboxes and all that stuff... I have tons of code that I
reuse, that code  is kept in include files.  I have my html include,
database connectivity include, formatting include, etc.

They are just not called "objects" and "classes", they are collections
of functions and procedures.

I have almost no php code in any of my .html files, in fact I keep all
my html and php code seperate.

On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 09:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> I appreciate it.  I think you verbalized it well.  You are still learning
> and your code just reflects the level you are at.  That's exactly what I'm
> doing.  The difference I see is that I frequently do the same things over
> and over again.  I'm frequently writing code to maintain some kind of
> inventory table in a database.  I've written class files that contain all
> the code I need for display a drop down list (you feed it the name you
want
> the input control to have, the value if it has a value, and all the html
> necessary to rending the control.  I've written class files with nothing
but
> string formatting functions.  I usually write a class that opens and
closes
> my connection to the database and then my other classes that maintain the
> tables inherit from that database class.  The more I do it, the more I
like
> it.  It makes the code modular and reusable.  I'm finding it easier to go
> back and maintain it later.  I'm moving from a procedural model to an
object
> oriented model, because I've been doing the procedural model for so long
> it's no longer difficult.  When I first started learning PHP, it was
easier
> to drop all the code directly into the HTML page in the exact spot where
it
> was going to perform some function.  Now that I feel comfortable with
that,
> I'm looking for ways to make the code more modular, and OOP is it.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Carl
> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
Behalf
> Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:58 AM
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> 
> It's difficult to verbalize. Let me try... I think that procedural
> programming is more like the thought process I use.   Not that I don't
> sometimes think in "object mode", because I usually do at the beginning
> of the process. (that's the curse of us south paws...)  
> 
> Usually, I'll conceptualize the problem, then break it into components
> (objects)  Typically, I'll start in the middle of the problem and work
> my way out. Once I have compartmentalized all my components, (objects)
> I'll define each one using psuedo code. Then I'll convert that to code.
> 
> The pseudo code tends to be really linear and that seems to favor
> procedural methods. If I had "pre-made" objects, I could probably skip
> the definition stage. Then I would be doing OOP. However, most of my
> stuff is very, very specific and won't fit well into a generic object
> container. ( did I say that?!!)
> 
> Not to be off subject, but I think the key component of the "web
> proffesional" topic isn't really about how everyone else is doing it, or
> what the current trends are, but its more about continually learning and
> applying new techniques as they are appropriate in your envirnoment. In
> other words, developers need to continually grow and evolve, as do the
> systems they maintain.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > What do you like better about procedural?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:04 PM
> > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > 
> > I'm not against OOP PHP code, I do a little of it but I still prefer to 
> > do procedural.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:27, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > > I have a question for everyone.  How many people prefer to write
> > procedural
> > > PHP code as opposed to object oriented (OOP) PHP code?
> > > 
> > > Carl
> > > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of laith
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:43 AM
> > > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > > 
> > > Keeping up is always good.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately not everyone thinks this way so many good things you
might
> 
> > > learn will not be useful for longer than it should take.
> > > 
> > > Laith
> > > 
> > > Chris Van Cleve wrote:
> > > > There has been a flurry of articles this week about New Web  
> > > > professionalism.
> > > > 
> > > > See: http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_11.html#a000590
> > > > http://webstandards.org/
> > > > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/
> > > > a_web_professional_can_never_stop_learning/
> > > > 
> > > > I believe in this whole-heartedly. Keeping up with standards,  
> > > > methodologies, trends, etc. is important as a true professional. I
am
> 
> > > > curious what everyone else's take on this is.
> > > > 
> > > > Chris VC
> > > > 
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