[ciapug] Web Professionalism

Fri Nov 25 11:13:48 CST 2005

I use and OO style of programming.  I have learned that OO makes your
code much easier to make portable/re-distributable and I have a
tendency to go back to my code and try to modify it after months of
not even looking at it.  OO coding makes this a much easier process
and you can track error messages and where they cam from.

I still use procedural programming for the application code instead of
following the ideal that even your application should be an object.  I
found that the "application as an object" just never seems to click
and make much sense to me.

Jerry

On 11/25/05, Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> I have all kinds of inc files with string formating libraries, database
> connectivity, listboxes and all that stuff... I have tons of code that I
> reuse, that code  is kept in include files.  I have my html include,
> database connectivity include, formatting include, etc.
>
> They are just not called "objects" and "classes", they are collections
> of functions and procedures.
>
> I have almost no php code in any of my .html files, in fact I keep all
> my html and php code seperate.
>
>
> On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 09:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > I appreciate it.  I think you verbalized it well.  You are still learning
> > and your code just reflects the level you are at.  That's exactly what I'm
> > doing.  The difference I see is that I frequently do the same things over
> > and over again.  I'm frequently writing code to maintain some kind of
> > inventory table in a database.  I've written class files that contain all
> > the code I need for display a drop down list (you feed it the name you want
> > the input control to have, the value if it has a value, and all the html
> > necessary to rending the control.  I've written class files with nothing but
> > string formatting functions.  I usually write a class that opens and closes
> > my connection to the database and then my other classes that maintain the
> > tables inherit from that database class.  The more I do it, the more I like
> > it.  It makes the code modular and reusable.  I'm finding it easier to go
> > back and maintain it later.  I'm moving from a procedural model to an object
> > oriented model, because I've been doing the procedural model for so long
> > it's no longer difficult.  When I first started learning PHP, it was easier
> > to drop all the code directly into the HTML page in the exact spot where it
> > was going to perform some function.  Now that I feel comfortable with that,
> > I'm looking for ways to make the code more modular, and OOP is it.
> >
> > Thank you very much!
> >
> > Carl
> > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
> > Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:58 AM
> > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> >
> > It's difficult to verbalize. Let me try... I think that procedural
> > programming is more like the thought process I use.   Not that I don't
> > sometimes think in "object mode", because I usually do at the beginning
> > of the process. (that's the curse of us south paws...)
> >
> > Usually, I'll conceptualize the problem, then break it into components
> > (objects)  Typically, I'll start in the middle of the problem and work
> > my way out. Once I have compartmentalized all my components, (objects)
> > I'll define each one using psuedo code. Then I'll convert that to code.
> >
> > The pseudo code tends to be really linear and that seems to favor
> > procedural methods. If I had "pre-made" objects, I could probably skip
> > the definition stage. Then I would be doing OOP. However, most of my
> > stuff is very, very specific and won't fit well into a generic object
> > container. ( did I say that?!!)
> >
> > Not to be off subject, but I think the key component of the "web
> > proffesional" topic isn't really about how everyone else is doing it, or
> > what the current trends are, but its more about continually learning and
> > applying new techniques as they are appropriate in your envirnoment. In
> > other words, developers need to continually grow and evolve, as do the
> > systems they maintain.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > > What do you like better about procedural?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:04 PM
> > > To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> > > Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > >
> > > I'm not against OOP PHP code, I do a little of it but I still prefer to
> > > do procedural.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:27, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > > > I have a question for everyone.  How many people prefer to write
> > > procedural
> > > > PHP code as opposed to object oriented (OOP) PHP code?
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of laith
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:43 AM
> > > > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > > >
> > > > Keeping up is always good.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately not everyone thinks this way so many good things you might
> >
> > > > learn will not be useful for longer than it should take.
> > > >
> > > > Laith
> > > >
> > > > Chris Van Cleve wrote:
> > > > > There has been a flurry of articles this week about New Web
> > > > > professionalism.
> > > > >
> > > > > See: http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_11.html#a000590
> > > > > http://webstandards.org/
> > > > > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/
> > > > > a_web_professional_can_never_stop_learning/
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe in this whole-heartedly. Keeping up with standards,
> > > > > methodologies, trends, etc. is important as a true professional. I am
> >
> > > > > curious what everyone else's take on this is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris VC
> > > > >
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