[ciapug] Web Professionalism

[Carl Olsen]

I appreciate it.  I think you verbalized it well.  You are still learning
and your code just reflects the level you are at.  That's exactly what I'm
doing.  The difference I see is that I frequently do the same things over
and over again.  I'm frequently writing code to maintain some kind of
inventory table in a database.  I've written class files that contain all
the code I need for display a drop down list (you feed it the name you want
the input control to have, the value if it has a value, and all the html
necessary to rending the control.  I've written class files with nothing but
string formatting functions.  I usually write a class that opens and closes
my connection to the database and then my other classes that maintain the
tables inherit from that database class.  The more I do it, the more I like
it.  It makes the code modular and reusable.  I'm finding it easier to go
back and maintain it later.  I'm moving from a procedural model to an object
oriented model, because I've been doing the procedural model for so long
it's no longer difficult.  When I first started learning PHP, it was easier
to drop all the code directly into the HTML page in the exact spot where it
was going to perform some function.  Now that I feel comfortable with that,
I'm looking for ways to make the code more modular, and OOP is it.

Thank you very much!

Carl
http://www.carl-olsen.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:58 AM
To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism

It's difficult to verbalize. Let me try... I think that procedural
programming is more like the thought process I use.   Not that I don't
sometimes think in "object mode", because I usually do at the beginning
of the process. (that's the curse of us south paws...)  

Usually, I'll conceptualize the problem, then break it into components
(objects)  Typically, I'll start in the middle of the problem and work
my way out. Once I have compartmentalized all my components, (objects)
I'll define each one using psuedo code. Then I'll convert that to code.

The pseudo code tends to be really linear and that seems to favor
procedural methods. If I had "pre-made" objects, I could probably skip
the definition stage. Then I would be doing OOP. However, most of my
stuff is very, very specific and won't fit well into a generic object
container. ( did I say that?!!)

Not to be off subject, but I think the key component of the "web
proffesional" topic isn't really about how everyone else is doing it, or
what the current trends are, but its more about continually learning and
applying new techniques as they are appropriate in your envirnoment. In
other words, developers need to continually grow and evolve, as do the
systems they maintain.


On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:45, Carl Olsen wrote:
> What do you like better about procedural?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
Behalf
> Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:04 PM
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> 
> I'm not against OOP PHP code, I do a little of it but I still prefer to 
> do procedural.
> 
> On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:27, Carl Olsen wrote:
> > I have a question for everyone.  How many people prefer to write
> procedural
> > PHP code as opposed to object oriented (OOP) PHP code?
> > 
> > Carl
> > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of laith
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:43 AM
> > To: ciapug at cialug.org
> > Subject: Re: [ciapug] Web Professionalism
> > 
> > Keeping up is always good.
> > 
> > Unfortunately not everyone thinks this way so many good things you might

> > learn will not be useful for longer than it should take.
> > 
> > Laith
> > 
> > Chris Van Cleve wrote:
> > > There has been a flurry of articles this week about New Web  
> > > professionalism.
> > > 
> > > See: http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_11.html#a000590
> > > http://webstandards.org/
> > > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/
> > > a_web_professional_can_never_stop_learning/
> > > 
> > > I believe in this whole-heartedly. Keeping up with standards,  
> > > methodologies, trends, etc. is important as a true professional. I am

> > > curious what everyone else's take on this is.
> > > 
> > > Chris VC
> > > 
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