It was PHP's 10th birthday yesterday... http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/127249&tid=169 Most of us haven't been using PHP for that long. I remember messing around with it when it was still called "php-fi"... and it was a huge pain to get it installed and working. :) I didn't really start using it until after PHP3 was released. -dc