[ciapug] Re: Re: php vs. macromedia

Mike Parks mparks at captainjack.com
Wed Jul 20 15:07:52 CDT 2005 

You could also point out CF Standard license $1300 + setup time.
Flex has a cost involved that is not listed anywhere on Macromedia that I 
can see with a quick look through the Macromedia site.
Flash is yet another product to buy.

PHP = Download + setup time
Any editor including vi, notepad, wordpad, bbedit. Can be programmed from 
any OS: Linux, Windows, Mac.

The Adobe / Macromedia transaction seems to be a little shaky with the DOJ. 
Possible aquisition collapse?
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html
Only the DOJ will have that answer.

Mike



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>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:41:52 -0500
>From: Mike Parks <mparks at captainjack.com>
>Subject: [ciapug] Re: Re: WebAlayzer download url
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>I would, but I'd probably make the same mistake... ;-)
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>Mike
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> >From: Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at DRAKE.EDU>
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> >At 11:42 AM 7/18/2005 -0500, you wrote:
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> > >>Anyone know the homepage/url for the WebAlayzer (stats) product? Google
> > >>isn't finding anything but reference to it on hosting company sites, no
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> > >Google for "webalizer"...
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> > >http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:31:43 -0500
>From: Scott Phillips <scott.phillips at DRAKE.EDU>
>Subject: [ciapug] php vs. macromedia
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>Alright.  I've got a senior-level developer friend that knows little about
>php.  He's real big into Macromedia's application server/application
>framework, Flex, which I know little about. (He also loves coding
>object-oriented Coldfusion and Flash Actionscript).  I've got lunch with
>him next week and I'm sick of hearing about how great all of this crap is.
>
>Help me show him the light by arming me with all of your
>php-is-great-macromedia-sucks trivia tidbits!
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>Scott Phillips
>Web Developer
>Cowles Library, Drake University
>(515) 271-2975
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:53:44 -0500
>From: David Champion <dave at visionary.com>
>Subject: Re: [ciapug] php vs. macromedia
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>Well, for starters you could point out the performance aspect. As we all
>know, PHP will run great on even very meager hardware, which isn't
>something CF can claim. PHP beats Java for raw performance by most
>benchmarks I've seen... and CF runs as a layer on top of Java, so it's
>going to have even more overhead.
>
>PHP is just about ubiquitous - you can get PHP on just about any of the
>cheap web hosting services, and it will run on just about any of the
>popular web servers on several platforms.
>
>Setting up a LAMP server is very simple these days - and most Linux
>distributions come with just about everything you'll need "out of the
>box" - for *free*. How much did that CF software cost? And how long did
>it take to configure?
>
>PHP handles high traffic web sites well. A lot of Java / CF advocates
>will tell you that PHP doesn't scale - but they usually site some Java
>marketing-speak, but can't give you any *real* answers.
>
>Of course - as with any application, it has to be well-written. I've
>heard that one of the more popular PHP forum systems fall down badly
>when you subject them to high loads - this isn't the fault of PHP, but
>because of some bad coding / database work.
>
>PHP5 has much better OO capabilities, and you should be able to do
>anything with it you can with CF.
>
>-dc
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>Scott Phillips wrote:
> >
> > Alright.  I've got a senior-level developer friend that knows little
> > about php.  He's real big into Macromedia's application
> > server/application framework, Flex, which I know little about. (He also
> > loves coding object-oriented Coldfusion and Flash Actionscript).  I've
> > got lunch with him next week and I'm sick of hearing about how great all
> > of this crap is.
> >
> > Help me show him the light by arming me with all of your
> > php-is-great-macromedia-sucks trivia tidbits!
> >
> >
> > Scott Phillips
> > Web Developer
> > Cowles Library, Drake University
> > (515) 271-2975
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