[ciapug] Re: RE: IDE

Mike Parks parksmike at dwx.com
Mon Aug 22 08:07:56 CDT 2005 

Carl,
No, I said I don't like that it doesn't have any visual support. As I wrote 
to Zend I don't want to spend $300 for it and $400 for Dreamweaver (Well 
$200 for the upgrade) to have 2 halves of a program.

For writing everything straight code, Zend does have it for HTML and CSS. 
But to do a quick mockup visually I have to switch to Dreamweaver.

Interakt is working on an MX coder pack for Dreamweaver. The problem right 
now is that it will only look for classes and functions in the page you are 
working on. I believe they have enough people asking that the coder pack 
supports the whole project. But I'll hve to see...

Mike

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>   1. File extension phpm (Carl Olsen)
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>   3. Re: File extension phpm (laith)
>   4. Re: IDE (Jerry Weida)
>   5. RE: File extension phpm (Carl Olsen)
>   6. RE: IDE (Carl Olsen)
>   7. Re: IDE (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
>   8. RE: IDE (Carl Olsen)
>   9. Re: IDE (Jerry Weida)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:58:24 -0500
> From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> Subject: [ciapug] File extension phpm
> To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
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> I'm reading a book by Wrox, "Professional PHP5" and it uses a file 
> extension
> of .phpm for several of the generic class files in Chapter 7.  I briefly
> brushed over chapters 1 and 2 and have been reading the rest of the 
> chapters
> thoroughly (sometimes several times) and I haven't seen an explanation for
> why this file extension is necessary.  My web server isn't configured to
> recognize it, but it seems to run just fine as long as it's included in a
> page that has the normal .php file extension.  I'm thinking there must be
> some kind of security reason for this naming convention, but I can't 
> figure
> out what it could be.  Does anyone know what it means?
>
> Another thing is that the first 6 chapters name all their class files with
> class.name_of_class.php and all their interfaces with
> interface.name_of_interface.php, but the ones with .phpm begin with the 
> name
> of the class.  I suppose the .phpm might simply be a way of naming class
> files, but the book doesn't explain why these class files are named
> differently than the previous examples.
>
> Carl
> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:08:48 -0500
> From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> Subject: [ciapug] IDE
> To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
> Message-ID: <20050821180904.20A11548C at www.cialug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I would like to hear comments about favorite PHP editing tools.  I'm using
> VS.php (www.jcxsoftware.com) which is a PHP plug in for Microsoft Visual
> Studio.  It has fairly good object support, but I've never tried anything
> else.  The other PHP programmer in our office is using a trial version of
> Zend Studio, but he says it doesn't have much support for other languages,
> particularly HTML and CSS (VS.php has limited support for HTML, code hints
> while you are typing inline).  Are there any other good tools for object
> oriented web site programming with PHP?
>
> Ideally, I'm looking for something that has good support for HTML and CSS.
>
> Carl
> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:25:53 -0500
> From: laith <laith at prestonfam.org>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] File extension phpm
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <4308D541.5000504 at prestonfam.org>
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>
> Don't know what it means specifically but most any file included by php
> will be treated as a php file regardless of extension (ie *.h, *.inc,
> haven't tried *.txt but I would not be surprised)
>
> I don't think it is security unless the server is configed to no serve
> pages with that name as a direct call to an define type is usually sent
> to the browser and the browser will ask if you want to save if it does
> not have in-built handlers.
>
> Laith
>
> Carl Olsen wrote:
>> I'm reading a book by Wrox, "Professional PHP5" and it uses a file 
>> extension
>> of .phpm for several of the generic class files in Chapter 7.  I briefly
>> brushed over chapters 1 and 2 and have been reading the rest of the 
>> chapters
>> thoroughly (sometimes several times) and I haven't seen an explanation 
>> for
>> why this file extension is necessary.  My web server isn't configured to
>> recognize it, but it seems to run just fine as long as it's included in a
>> page that has the normal .php file extension.  I'm thinking there must be
>> some kind of security reason for this naming convention, but I can't 
>> figure
>> out what it could be.  Does anyone know what it means?
>>
>> Another thing is that the first 6 chapters name all their class files 
>> with
>> class.name_of_class.php and all their interfaces with
>> interface.name_of_interface.php, but the ones with .phpm begin with the 
>> name
>> of the class.  I suppose the .phpm might simply be a way of naming class
>> files, but the book doesn't explain why these class files are named
>> differently than the previous examples.
>>
>> Carl
>> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:30:14 -0500
> From: Jerry Weida <jweida at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] IDE
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <40e57b5f0508211230c879fb at mail.gmail.com>
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> I use Eclipse for pretty much any language I code in (PHP, Perl, HTML,
> CSS, Java, C++).  What's nice about Eclipse is that it runs on any
> platform that supports Java and has plugins for a wide-variety of
> languages.
>
> On 8/21/05, Carl Olsen <carl-olsen at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> I would like to hear comments about favorite PHP editing tools.  I'm 
>> using
>> VS.php (www.jcxsoftware.com) which is a PHP plug in for Microsoft Visual
>> Studio.  It has fairly good object support, but I've never tried anything
>> else.  The other PHP programmer in our office is using a trial version of
>> Zend Studio, but he says it doesn't have much support for other 
>> languages,
>> particularly HTML and CSS (VS.php has limited support for HTML, code 
>> hints
>> while you are typing inline).  Are there any other good tools for object
>> oriented web site programming with PHP?
>>
>> Ideally, I'm looking for something that has good support for HTML and 
>> CSS.
>>
>> Carl
>> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ciapug mailing list
>> ciapug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:05:59 -0500
> From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] File extension phpm
> To: <laith at prestonfam.org>, <ciapug at cialug.org>
> Message-ID: <20050821200616.BF0914E97 at www.cialug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I haven't finished reading the book yet.  Maybe they will explain it 
> further
> later on in the book when they get into security configurations.
>
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: laith [mailto:laith at prestonfam.org]
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; ciapug at cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] File extension phpm
>
> Don't know what it means specifically but most any file included by php
> will be treated as a php file regardless of extension (ie *.h, *.inc,
> haven't tried *.txt but I would not be surprised)
>
> I don't think it is security unless the server is configed to no serve
> pages with that name as a direct call to an define type is usually sent
> to the browser and the browser will ask if you want to save if it does
> not have in-built handlers.
>
> Laith
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:09:25 -0500
> From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] IDE
> To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
> Message-ID: <20050821200942.83E0E2932 at www.cialug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I figured Eclipse would be in the list.
>
> I've never tried it.  What does it cost (with support for PHP, HTML, and
> CSS)?
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Jerry Weida
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:30 PM
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; ciapug at cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] IDE
>
> I use Eclipse for pretty much any language I code in (PHP, Perl, HTML,
> CSS, Java, C++).  What's nice about Eclipse is that it runs on any
> platform that supports Java and has plugins for a wide-variety of
> languages.
>
> On 8/21/05, Carl Olsen <carl-olsen at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> I would like to hear comments about favorite PHP editing tools.  I'm 
>> using
>> VS.php (www.jcxsoftware.com) which is a PHP plug in for Microsoft Visual
>> Studio.  It has fairly good object support, but I've never tried anything
>> else.  The other PHP programmer in our office is using a trial version of
>> Zend Studio, but he says it doesn't have much support for other 
>> languages,
>> particularly HTML and CSS (VS.php has limited support for HTML, code 
>> hints
>> while you are typing inline).  Are there any other good tools for object
>> oriented web site programming with PHP?
>>
>> Ideally, I'm looking for something that has good support for HTML and 
>> CSS.
>>
>> Carl
>> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ciapug mailing list
>> ciapug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:26:31 -0500
> From: "Dave J. Hala Jr." <dave at 58ghz.net>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] IDE
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, PHP List <ciapug at cialug.org>
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> I go through this about every 6 months. I keep thinking that if I use an
> IDE for PHP development, or some kind of combination PHP IDE/HTML editor
> that it will speed things up.
>
> I've found that I'm faster just using something simple that has syntax
> highlighting. I use "Kate"  on RHEL Workstation, for all my development.
> I also run Apache on the localhost.  By switching from one virtual
> desktop to another, I can develop and test very rapidly.  Typically, I
> run 8-10 desktops.
>
>
> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:08, Carl Olsen wrote:
>> I would like to hear comments about favorite PHP editing tools.  I'm 
>> using
>> VS.php (www.jcxsoftware.com) which is a PHP plug in for Microsoft Visual
>> Studio.  It has fairly good object support, but I've never tried anything
>> else.  The other PHP programmer in our office is using a trial version of
>> Zend Studio, but he says it doesn't have much support for other 
>> languages,
>> particularly HTML and CSS (VS.php has limited support for HTML, code 
>> hints
>> while you are typing inline).  Are there any other good tools for object
>> oriented web site programming with PHP?
>>
>> Ideally, I'm looking for something that has good support for HTML and 
>> CSS.
>>
>> Carl
>> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ciapug mailing list
>> ciapug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
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> Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave at osis.us>
> 641.485.1606
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:37:42 -0500
> From: "Carl Olsen" <carl-olsen at mchsi.com>
> Subject: RE: [ciapug] IDE
> To: <ciapug at cialug.org>
> Message-ID: <20050821223759.EB3622932 at www.cialug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I like the way that the PHP plug in for Visual Studio shows the methods 
> and
> properties of a class in a drop down list while I'm tying in the page.  It
> lets me know that the class is available and also helps me remember what
> properties and methods I created for each class.  I'm often adding methods
> as I go along and I may have added one to another project and can't 
> remember
> if I added it to the one I'm working on.  Methods can vary from one 
> project
> to another.  Syntax highlighting is certainly one of the most important
> features, but the ability to view class information from page to page is
> also a nice feature.  I also like it when the PHP functions show up while
> I'm typing, along with HTML and CSS attributes and their possible values.
> Kate is certainly an improvement over a plain text editor (I actually use
> that one frequently when I'm working on my SUSE 9.3 machine), but I like
> more (I mostly use Windows XP for development).  Maybe it's just because I
> still feel like I'm learning the languages.  If I had all this stuff in my
> head, I might not need so much functionality.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:27 PM
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] IDE
>
> I go through this about every 6 months. I keep thinking that if I use an
> IDE for PHP development, or some kind of combination PHP IDE/HTML editor
> that it will speed things up.
>
> I've found that I'm faster just using something simple that has syntax
> highlighting. I use "Kate"  on RHEL Workstation, for all my development.
> I also run Apache on the localhost.  By switching from one virtual
> desktop to another, I can develop and test very rapidly.  Typically, I
> run 8-10 desktops.
>
>
> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:08, Carl Olsen wrote:
>> I would like to hear comments about favorite PHP editing tools.  I'm 
>> using
>> VS.php (www.jcxsoftware.com) which is a PHP plug in for Microsoft Visual
>> Studio.  It has fairly good object support, but I've never tried anything
>> else.  The other PHP programmer in our office is using a trial version of
>> Zend Studio, but he says it doesn't have much support for other 
>> languages,
>> particularly HTML and CSS (VS.php has limited support for HTML, code 
>> hints
>> while you are typing inline).  Are there any other good tools for object
>> oriented web site programming with PHP?
>>
>> Ideally, I'm looking for something that has good support for HTML and 
>> CSS.
>>
>> Carl
>> http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ciapug mailing list
>> ciapug at cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
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> Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave at osis.us>
> 641.485.1606
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:24:37 -0500
> From: Jerry Weida <jweida at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ciapug] IDE
> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com, ciapug at cialug.org
> Message-ID: <40e57b5f05082117241144316d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Eclipse is completely free. It has no price tag with it. And all of the
> plugins that I use are also free. I haven't seen a "for pay" plugin yet.
>
> On 8/21/05, Carl Olsen <carl-olsen at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like the way that the PHP plug in for Visual Studio shows the methods
>> and
>> properties of a class in a drop down list while I'm tying in the page. It
>> lets me know that the class is available and also helps me remember what
>> properties and methods I created for each class. I'm often adding methods
>> as I go along and I may have added one to another project and can't
>> remember
>> if I added it to the one I'm working on. Methods can vary from one 
>> project
>> to another. Syntax highlighting is certainly one of the most important
>> features, but the ability to view class information from page to page is
>> also a nice feature. I also like it when the PHP functions show up while
>> I'm typing, along with HTML and CSS attributes and their possible values.
>> Kate is certainly an improvement over a plain text editor (I actually use
>> that one frequently when I'm working on my SUSE 9.3 machine), but I like
>> more (I mostly use Windows XP for development). Maybe it's just because I
>> still feel like I'm learning the languages. If I had all this stuff in my
>> head, I might not need so much functionality.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ciapug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:ciapug-bounces at cialug.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:27 PM
>> To: carl-olsen at mchsi.com; PHP List
>> Subject: Re: [ciapug] IDE
>>
>> I go through this about every 6 months. I keep thinking that if I use an
>> IDE for PHP development, or some kind of combination PHP IDE/HTML editor
>> that it will speed things up.
>>
>> I've found that I'm faster just using something simple that has syntax
>> highlighting. I use "Kate" on RHEL Workstation, for all my development.
>> I also run Apache on the localhost. By switching from one virtual
>> desktop to another, I can develop and test very rapidly. Typically, I
>> run 8-10 desktops.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:08, Carl Olsen wrote:
>> > I would like to hear comments about favorite PHP editing tools. I'm
>> using
>> > VS.php (www.jcxsoftware.com <http://www.jcxsoftware.com>) which is a 
>> > PHP
>> plug in for Microsoft Visual
>> > Studio. It has fairly good object support, but I've never tried 
>> > anything
>> > else. The other PHP programmer in our office is using a trial version 
>> > of
>> > Zend Studio, but he says it doesn't have much support for other
>> languages,
>> > particularly HTML and CSS (VS.php has limited support for HTML, code
>> hints
>> > while you are typing inline). Are there any other good tools for object
>> > oriented web site programming with PHP?
>> >
>> > Ideally, I'm looking for something that has good support for HTML and
>> CSS.
>> >
>> > Carl
>> > http://www.carl-olsen.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > ciapug mailing list
>> > ciapug at cialug.org
>> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/ciapug
>> --
>>
>> Open Source Information Systems (OSIS)
>> Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave at osis.us>
>> 641.485.1606
>>
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