I tell you, Tim is EVERYWHERE on the internet. I run into his name/posts at least once a day. This time I was searching for nothing to do with PHP, just an oracle sql statement, and there he is again. Wow, I know an e-celeb. *Swoons* Angie Angie Tollerson Alliance Technologies Web Programmer (515) 245-7628 tollerson@alliancetechnologies.net