[Pugged] High-level/visual tools

[Travis Carden]

Yeah, the only real rewriting I /personally/ experienced was the
changing of attribute cases in my HTML, but when you're coding against a
strict XML DTD, that can actually cause headaches.  I tried to use the
database integration, but couldn't get it to work with my server, so I
gave up after just a few hours on the basis of the attribute problem and
with the motivation of a hovering manager (no losing time to developing
new skills, ooooh no!) and never tried it again.  But against such a
gleaming testimony perhaps I ought to give it another shot.  =)

Travis Carden, Web Developer
http://www.traviscarden.com/
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: ciapug-admin@ciapug.org [mailto:ciapug-admin@ciapug.org] On Behalf
Of Chris Van Cleve
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:38 PM
To: ciapug@ciapug.org
Subject: Re: [Pugged] High-level/visual tools


Well, I've been using DreamWeaver MX since the day it was released, and
it is AWESOME. First visual editor I've been able to stomach. It
highlights code wonderfully for both PHP and ASP (I know, dirty word,
but I have to do both so having one environment for both is a "good
thing")

Dreamweaver has yet to rewrite any of my code. I'm not sure where you
get that. Then again, no uber geek like a pugger would use the app
stock, right? You went into preferences and told it how to behave first,
right? It only took you a couple minutes, and you fell in love with the
total control you had over PHP formatting, right?

;)

Chris Van Cleve

On 8/22/02 7:33 PM, "Travis Carden" <travis@traviscarden.com> mumbled
something similar to:

> All visual HTML tools (with the possible exception of the new 
> Dreamweaver MX) are the demon-spawn of Satan.  Of all of them, 
> Dreamweaver is the least demonic, but even it is horrible about 
> rewriting your code and using bad syntax.  (It also has awful
> color-coding.)  The newest MX release, however, is supposed to base 
> the code editing on HomeSite (which rocks).  I've downloaded the trial

> version of it, though, and it DOES still rewrite some code, and loses 
> all of HomeSite's really helpful keyboard shortcuts.  I couldn't 
> tolerate it, so I went back to hand-coding.
> 
> Check this out: http://www.webstandards.org/act/campaign/dwtf/.  
> There's a whole freakin' taskforce at the Web Standards Project aimed 
> at persuading Macromedia to make a Dreamweaver that doesn't suck.
> 
> Travis Carden, Web Developer
> http://www.traviscarden.com/

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