[Cialug]voip
Dave Weis
djweis at internetsolver.com
Wed Dec 5 12:35:19 CST 2007
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, neal daringer wrote:
> wouldn't it be smarter for a company to cache caller id information, so they
> don't have to pay that $0.001 every call?
Yes, they thought of that and the people that maintain the database
prohibit it :-) Besides that, you would need to determine how long to
cache things for.
>
>
> Dave Weis wrote:
>>
>> As evidenced by the earlier part of the discussion, there's a few reasons
>> including a more expensive network to operate and laws that support the
>> higher prices. There are other obligations like provider of last resort
>> that says if you are 25 miles out from town and order a telephone line,
>> they have to provide it. There's some parts of Des Moines and West Des
>> Moines that don't even get cable yet.
>>
>> I don't completely support the Bell pricing model, especially for features
>> like 3way calling and caller ID. There are hard costs to provide caller ID
>> name, the phone switch you are serviced from has to ask a database what the
>> name that corresponds to the number is. The switch that serves my house has
>> had 108,759,897 minutes of usage this month so far. If you figure it at 15
>> minutes per call, that's 7,250,660 calls. Estimate 1/3 of them are inbound,
>> putting it at 2,392,718 inbound calls. If 25% are from another telephone
>> company (incumbent like Iowa Telecom or competitive like McLeod) that
>> leaves 598,179 calls in 5 days that require them to look up the name and
>> incur a cost. I think the cost per lookup is around $0.001 so that would be
>> $600 for five days so far. That's just one office.
>>
>> dave
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, neal daringer wrote:
>>
>>> my point is that i never have serious enough power outage that i cant deal
>>> with it. if there is that serious enough of a power outage, then so be it.
>>> in the long run i save far more money not paying for sub-par service.
>>>
>>> POTS is just that "plain OLD telephone service". and it will remain that
>>> way until the bells lose the capitalist greed bugle and start providing
>>> better cost to service business. i don't see why i should pay $44.99/month
>>> for unlimited local and long distance. thats what a cell phone should
>>> cost. and to top that off why is long distance considered a seperate
>>> service still?? with the ability to use IP for telecommunications, why is
>>> it still costing so much? and why are features (caller id, call waiting,
>>> etc)always extra from bell companies?
>>>
>>> i know i know the answer i will pry get at first is "because they can turn
>>> a larger profit and no serious compitition". so lets hear some other
>>> arguments.
>>>
>>> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>>>> That was my point. Cheaper to use POTS than to try and "cover" the
>>>> faults of the cable companies.
>>>>
>>>> As much as I like to take shots at the phone companies, they are hands
>>>> down better at reliability than the cable companies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 16:35 +0000, jaybabel at mchsi.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought the original question was about home service. I guess all
>>>>> these generators and UPS systems in the backyard cut down on mowing in
>>>>> the summer but it seems like overkill. I just have a POTS line.
>>>>> -------------- Original message from "Dave J. Hala Jr."
>>>>> <dave at 58ghz.net>: -------------- > Ditch
>>>>> the diesel generator. Switch an lp/hydrogen
>>>>> generator. > > For $15,000 you can have a 1.8
>>>>> megawatt wind generator with
>>>>> the > inverter, 50ft tower and the electronics to tie it
>>>>> the grid
>>>>> at 240vac. > Compliment that with a $26,000 solar array
>>>>> and a $15,000
>>>>> hydrogen > generator. Get $5,000 worth the marine
>>>>> batteries. > > Instead of hooking it to the grid and
>>>>> thereby subsidizing
>>>>> your local > coal burning power plant, build your own
>>>>> little power grid
>>>>> to power your > stuff. Use the excess electricity to
>>>>> charge the batteries
>>>>> and to produce > hydrogen. Store the hydrogen in an lp
>>>>> tank. When there's no
>>>>> sun, use > the hydrogen to run the generator. You can
>>>>> also use the
>>>>> hydrogen to heat > your house. > ; >
>>>>> This way the only thing you have to worry about is a lawn
>>>>> mower running > over the coax cable that mediacom laid
>>>>> on the ground from
>>>>> the pole to > the house. > > >
>>>>> :) Dave > > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:55 -0600, Jeffrey
>>>>> Ollie wrote: > > On 12/5/07, neal daringer wrote: > > >
>>>>> > > > if all else fails, just use a CB radio. > > > >
>>>>> And don't forget to store a generator and a spare set of
>>>>> radio > > equipment inside a Faraday cage to protect
>>>>> against those
>>>>> nasty EMP > > pulses. And you probably need to buy some
>>>>> gear to produce
>>>>> biodiesel > > too since you probably can't count on fuel
>>>>> trucks coming
>>>>> by to fill up > > your diesel tank. > >
>>>>> > > ;) > > > > Jeff > >
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