FYI- If you tried to download dapper today from a US mirror it may be tomorrow before it finishes. I got mime from the Netherlands at about 150kbs in 1 1/2 hours. Many times downloads are faster from Europe than state side. Guess they like to sleep too. Allen Kiddoo ---------------- 563.260.7823 cell 563.263.7822 office 100% organic open-source technology