[Cialug] Apple and Intel

[chris129 at cs.iastate.edu]

I think I should have emphasized my sentence.  I didn't mean "selling" to get
emphasis, I meant "Apple" to get emphasis.  Proprietary software isn't the
devil, Apple on the other hand....  That said, I greatly prefer Free software;
but there's some great proprietary stuff too (it just tends to be more
temporal).

Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:

> I'd pay for OSX installed on great hardware if it was free software.
> http://cialug.org/ewiki/?id=History+of+Open+Source+-+Free+Software+Movement
> 
> Theron
> 
> Chris Hilton wrote:
> 
> >	I can agree with that statement.  But there are a lot of practical,
> >non-forward thinking, geeks out their who like OS X enough to forget the
> >that Apple is selling it ;).  I think that Apple said their system would
> >be incompatible, and Apple hardware is one of the big attractors for
> >geeks so Apple might even lose a few people while they gain some.  I
> >don't think a great deal will change here; except that we might see a
> >Mac API emulation (not really emulation) project start up.
> >
> >	I wouldn't worry about Linux' ability to take this one on the shoulder
> >and keep on truckin; it seems it always has.  Maybe now more people with
> >Mac's will run linux because they'll have a good compiler (I've heard a
> >lot of complaints about gcc on PPC).
> >
> >	
> >
> >On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:17 -0500, Theron Conrey wrote:
> >  
> >
> >> From a hardware perspective it's pretty interesting stuff but,
> >>no matter what happens the situation remains the same.
> >>OSX still isn't free, so the impact (hoepfully) will be minimal at best.
> >>
> >>Theron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>D. Joe Anderson wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:35:02PM -0500, Bryan Baker wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>So here's a stupid question - what kind of thing will keep me
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>from buying Mac OS and slapping it on any Intel box?  I
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>thought all the stuff that used to be in ROM no longer was. 
> >>>>>What will distinguish an Apple from any other machine?
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>I'm betting they will have a hand at least in the mobo design, they  
> >>>>do a bunch of their own ASICs, etc. and they have been using  
> >>>>OpenFirmware - not BIOS, but that may change now, but I bet there'll  
> >>>>be other diff's - that said I give it a couple weeks before someone  
> >>>>comes out w/ a hack, but you can bet it won't get support.
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>That, and what this guy said (after you skip down past all the
> >>>license flamewar cruft) in
> >>>
> >>>http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-June/011207.html
> >>>
> >>>   Mac OS X's demographic is precisely the opposite of those
> >>>   with enough technical skill to hack and/or patch enough of
> >>>   their operating system to make it run on non-Apple hardware. 
> >>>   Even if someone managed to make that work, and found a way
> >>>   to hack in driver support, either through some Rube Goldberg
> >>>   linux-driver-wrapper horseshit or other, it wouldn't be
> >>>   terribly useful to terribly many people who leave their
> >>>   basement on a regular basis.
> >>>
> >>>The "not [...] terribly many people" who would be interested in
> >>>doing this are pretty much the Mac fans who inhabit Linux and
> >>>other free OS mailing lists like this one--a minority of a
> >>>minority.  Heck, I figure I probably know the majority of these
> >>>people who live in Iowa ;-)
> >>>
> >>>ie, not enough to affect their market significantly.
> >>>
> >>>outside of this, the Mac customers are either going to be the
> >>>ricer-wannabees who might think the hack is cool, but who don't
> >>>have the time/skill/whatever to actually apply it, and the
> >>>people like the ones Valentine mentions above, who want their
> >>>sealed-box to Just Work, they don't care how, and you can't make
> >>>them care.   
> >>>
> >>>The main thing is that someone who does care, and who does have
> >>>the skill to apply the hacks isn't going to be able to hang out
> >>>a shingle and go into business selling beige boxes that have
> >>>been Macified.  The Clone Wars have already been fought, we know
> >>>how that turned out, and that was before the DMCA.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
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