From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Sep 2 10:17:44 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:18:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Central Iowa Linux User's Group: lug list In-Reply-To: <388757dce223b6c61dbdc84ee1d11d3d@cialug.org> References: <388757dce223b6c61dbdc84ee1d11d3d@cialug.org> Message-ID: <48BD5918.8090009@vonahsen.com> Josh mentioned we got blocked by mchsi again, but I forgot. I've resubmitted the unblock request. If you get this message, and you're on mediacom, and you don't want these messages, there is a convenient link to unsubscribe that's attached to every message, please don't flag us as spam :) -barry dan hockey wrote: > Is the list working? Every thing I've sent to the lug list seems to vanish. > -dh > From tdwalton at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:21:09 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:21:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Central Iowa Linux User's Group: lug list In-Reply-To: <48BD5918.8090009@vonahsen.com> References: <388757dce223b6c61dbdc84ee1d11d3d@cialug.org> <48BD5918.8090009@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > If you get this message, and you're on mediacom, and you don't want these > messages, there is a convenient link to unsubscribe that's attached to every > message, please don't flag us as spam :) Is that what's happening? -todd From newz at bearfruit.org Tue Sep 2 10:41:30 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Tue Sep 2 10:41:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Central Iowa Linux User's Group: lug list In-Reply-To: References: <388757dce223b6c61dbdc84ee1d11d3d@cialug.org> <48BD5918.8090009@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >> If you get this message, and you're on mediacom, and you don't want these >> messages, there is a convenient link to unsubscribe that's attached to every >> message, please don't flag us as spam :) > > Is that what's happening? If so, that's very poor judgement on Mediacom's part. A person could use such a thing to prevent people from getting important emails. An odd type of DOS. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Sep 2 12:44:19 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Sep 2 12:44:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Central Iowa Linux User's Group: lug list In-Reply-To: References: <388757dce223b6c61dbdc84ee1d11d3d@cialug.org> <48BD5918.8090009@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <48BD7B73.9020505@vonahsen.com> Todd Walton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >> If you get this message, and you're on mediacom, and you don't want these >> messages, there is a convenient link to unsubscribe that's attached to every >> message, please don't flag us as spam :) > > Is that what's happening? that would be my guess - someone's mail from this server (which could also be ciapug, but based on their volume, I doubt it) is getting us blacklisted, either with at&t or one of the other blacklists I just got the "you'll be removed in 24-48 hours" email, but at some point, we'll probably get the "you've been blacklisted too many times" perma-ban -barry From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Sep 3 10:35:08 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Sep 3 10:35:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] KDE 4? In-Reply-To: References: <48B86B5E.1040407@visionary.com> Message-ID: <48BEAEAC.4040200@visionary.com> I didn't like that Dolphin had single-click to open set as the default. Once I changed that setting (which is under KDE's Mouse settings, BTW), it was OK. I do like the "+" icon to select files thing - it's still active even after you turn off the single-click mode. It gives you the equivalent of being able to ctrl-click to select multiple files, without having to hit ctrl. Think of all the time & energy you'll save. ;) So far I'm liking KDE 4.1 (and Mandriva 2009) pretty well. I hadn't really used the nvidia-settings utility, until I used it this weekend to set up two monitors. It's pretty slick being able to do that, and it has a button to update your xorg.conf, so you can set up multiple monitors, adjust the resolution and positions, set which is primary, all without having to manually edit the conf. -dc Dave Crouse wrote: > I've been using KDE 4.1 for several weeks now, no major hiccups for > me. I don't like dolphin yet... but perhaps I'll get used to it. I > still prefer konqueror to dolphin. I'm running Arch Linux... it's > been the default for kde for a few weeks in the Arch repos. > > I do like the program search from the "start" menu/icon. > All in all, I like the changes. > > Crouse > > > >> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM, David Champion wrote: >> Have any of you started using KDE 4.x yet? >> >> I've got Mandriva 2009 Beta 2 running, which uses KDE 4.1. So far I like it >> pretty well (the Oxygen theme is pretty nice). Can't say that I'm wild about >> the Desktop folder thing - I read that it can be turned off and you can do >> the normal icons on the desktop thing, but haven't tried yet. >> >> I might be willing to do a demo of it at SFD. >> >> -dc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From crouse at usalug.net Wed Sep 3 11:26:41 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:27:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Ubiquity with Firefox 3 Message-ID: If you haven't tried it yet, Ubiquity is pretty cool. Using Ubiquity with Firefox 3 Default activation is ALT+SPACE https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Ubiquity https://people.mozilla.com/~avarma/ubiquity-0.1.xpi https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Ubiquity/Ubiquity_0.1_User_Tutorial You can use the default commands..... create your own....or import commands created by others...... this is pretty cool....... After installing, type this into your url bar.... chrome://ubiquity/content/cmdlist.html It gives a list of commands From aaron.korver at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 17:24:01 2008 From: aaron.korver at gmail.com (Aaron Korver) Date: Wed Sep 3 17:24:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT - 24-port hub? In-Reply-To: <1a1c07bd0808281258g6383bc35ma2e88d8ba6ea993d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a1c07bd0808281258g6383bc35ma2e88d8ba6ea993d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Four Ports for the Elven-kings under the sky, Eight for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Ten for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne, In the land of Miller where the shadows lie. One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them, One Port to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them, In the land of Miller where the shadows lie. :-) Sorry, just couldn't resist. -- Aaron 2008/8/28 Rob Miller : > I'm looking for a 24-port hub for home use. Anyone have a used one? > Thanks. > > Rob Miller > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From robarooney at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 07:42:42 2008 From: robarooney at gmail.com (Rob Miller) Date: Thu Sep 4 07:43:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] OT - 24-port hub? In-Reply-To: References: <1a1c07bd0808281258g6383bc35ma2e88d8ba6ea993d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a1c07bd0809040542j65bf0d29i10a46abdf5a80308@mail.gmail.com> Most excellent, Aaron !!! Thank you. On 9/3/08, Aaron Korver wrote: > > Four Ports for the Elven-kings under the sky, > Eight for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, > Ten for Mortal Men doomed to die, > One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne, > In the land of Miller where the shadows lie. > One Port to rule them all, One Port to find them, > One Port to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them, > In the land of Miller where the shadows lie. > > :-) Sorry, just couldn't resist. > > -- Aaron > > 2008/8/28 Rob Miller : > > I'm looking for a 24-port hub for home use. Anyone have a used one? > > Thanks. > > > > Rob Miller > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080904/73c30b20/attachment.htm From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 15:41:58 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:42:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion Message-ID: We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? More specifically, did the person doing it at that time meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of mbox files or are they pretty consistent? Thanks. -Nate From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 15:47:06 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:47:27 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another Message-ID: What are some good ways to move linux from one disk to another? I have a running installation on a 20 GB disk I'd like to move to something a little bigger and then take advantage of the new space. Is that something I could do with DD and then use another program to expand my filesystems into the available space? What would I use to expand the filesystem and is it available from the command line or by using knoppix, etc.? Is there anything quick and easy? I may give ghost a try but I thought I would ask the question. Looking for tips pointers and valuable life experience. TIA. -Nate From djweis at internetsolver.com Thu Sep 4 15:47:45 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:48:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> Nathan C. Smith wrote: > We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? > > More specifically, did the person doing it at that time meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of mbox files or are they pretty consistent? I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail server to another that could be used if you don't find anything that works at the file level. From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 15:49:58 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:50:00 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> References: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: I guess I am looking for something that works at the file level. The disk or the installation seems to have bit the dust. I'm optimistically hoping to be able to recover the mbox files. Thanks. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:48 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion > > Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has > anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? > > > > More specifically, did the person doing it at that time > meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of > mbox files or are they pretty consistent? > > I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail > server to another that could be used if you don't find anything that > works at the file level. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 4 15:54:29 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:54:52 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C04B05.5040205@visionary.com> I've used g4l (ghost for linux) to do this. It worked pretty well. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > What are some good ways to move linux from one disk to another? I have a running installation on a 20 GB disk I'd like to move to something a little bigger and then take advantage of the new space. Is that something I could do with DD and then use another program to expand my filesystems into the available space? What would I use to expand the filesystem and is it available from the command line or by using knoppix, etc.? > > Is there anything quick and easy? I may give ghost a try but I thought I would ask the question. > > Looking for tips pointers and valuable life experience. TIA. > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From tom at tcpconsulting.com Thu Sep 4 15:55:20 2008 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:55:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: References: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <6D1DE11B-C89A-4625-8C04-0617324044F2@tcpconsulting.com> When I converted years ago, I used a script that looked like the one named mbox2maildir on this page: http://home.uninet.ee/~ragnar/2md/ BUT doing some googling, this script looks pretty good (mb2md) : http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ -Tom On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I guess I am looking for something that works at the file level. > The disk or the installation seems to have bit the dust. I'm > optimistically hoping to be able to recover the mbox files. > > Thanks. > > -Nate > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:48 PM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion >> >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>> We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has >> anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? >>> >>> More specifically, did the person doing it at that time >> meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of >> mbox files or are they pretty consistent? >> >> I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail >> server to another that could be used if you don't find anything that >> works at the file level. >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 4 15:56:06 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:56:28 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: References: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <48C04B66.7040506@visionary.com> I've done various iterations of this... mbox to maildir, cyrus to courier... if you google around you should be able to find the right script for your conversion. I usually had to end up doing some minor tweaking to the scripts to exactly what I needed. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I guess I am looking for something that works at the file level. The disk or the installation seems to have bit the dust. I'm optimistically hoping to be able to recover the mbox files. > > Thanks. > > -Nate > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:48 PM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion >> >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> >>> We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has >>> >> anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? >> >>> More specifically, did the person doing it at that time >>> >> meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of >> mbox files or are they pretty consistent? >> >> I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail >> server to another that could be used if you don't find anything that >> works at the file level. >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 15:58:52 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 15:59:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: <48C04B66.7040506@visionary.com> References: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> <48C04B66.7040506@visionary.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure what the program is - I know it is very old. Linux 2.2 and from a Cobalt appliance server. Anybody have a guess? Cobalt was always sort of Red-hattish. What did they use for default servers back in the day? -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:56 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion > > I've done various iterations of this... mbox to maildir, cyrus to > courier... if you google around you should be able to find the right > script for your conversion. I usually had to end up doing some minor > tweaking to the scripts to exactly what I needed. > > -dc > > Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > I guess I am looking for something that works at the file > level. The disk or the installation seems to have bit the > dust. I'm optimistically hoping to be able to recover the mbox files. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Nate > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis > >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:48 PM > >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion > >> > >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> > >>> We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has > >>> > >> anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? > >> > >>> More specifically, did the person doing it at that time > >>> > >> meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of > >> mbox files or are they pretty consistent? > >> > >> I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail > >> server to another that could be used if you don't find > anything that > >> works at the file level. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug@cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Sep 4 15:59:36 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:00:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion Message-ID: <48C005E80200002E0002A218@alliancetechnologies.net> I think that mb2md (or a predecessor) is what I used when I did this back in 2001. It worked just fine then. Then again, that was quite some time ago. Either way, file-based tools should work fine. I think an IMAP hack would introduce to many other variables. It would also make your transfer as fast as TCPIP sockets instead at near disk IO speeds. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Tom Pohl 09/04/08 3:55 PM >>> When I converted years ago, I used a script that looked like the one named mbox2maildir on this page: http://home.uninet.ee/~ragnar/2md/ BUT doing some googling, this script looks pretty good (mb2md) : http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ -Tom On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > I guess I am looking for something that works at the file level. > The disk or the installation seems to have bit the dust. I'm > optimistically hoping to be able to recover the mbox files. > > Thanks. > > -Nate > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:48 PM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion >> >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: >>> We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has >> anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? >>> >>> More specifically, did the person doing it at that time >> meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of >> mbox files or are they pretty consistent? >> >> I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail >> server to another that could be used if you don't find anything that >> works at the file level. >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 16:00:23 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:00:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: <6D1DE11B-C89A-4625-8C04-0617324044F2@tcpconsulting.com> References: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> <6D1DE11B-C89A-4625-8C04-0617324044F2@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: Cool. I guess I will give one or both of these a try and see what happens/see what I can learn. > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Pohl > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:55 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion > > When I converted years ago, I used a script that looked like the one > named mbox2maildir on this page: > http://home.uninet.ee/~ragnar/2md/ > > BUT doing some googling, this script looks pretty good (mb2md) : > http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ > > -Tom > > On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > > I guess I am looking for something that works at the file level. > > The disk or the installation seems to have bit the dust. I'm > > optimistically hoping to be able to recover the mbox files. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Nate > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis > >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:48 PM > >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion > >> > >> Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >>> We had a thread about this a couple months ago. Has > >> anybody done this, and can you recommend a good program or script? > >>> > >>> More specifically, did the person doing it at that time > >> meet with success? Are there different kinds or version of > >> mbox files or are they pretty consistent? > >> > >> I have used a script in the past that did IMAP copies from one mail > >> server to another that could be used if you don't find > anything that > >> works at the file level. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cialug mailing list > >> Cialug@cialug.org > >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From chapinjeff at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 15:57:31 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:02:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C04BBB.3030400@gmail.com> You can use the DD method, I think. I know you can resize ext2 and ext3 with ext2resize -- ext3 just takes a bit of fiddling. I do not recall if I had to use parted, or if that was due to the fact that we were trying various methods out. I have seen a non-destructive resize done, however. Additionally, you might bust be able to cp over the data with the preserve ownership and permissions arguments and swap the disks. Jeff Nathan C. Smith wrote: > What are some good ways to move linux from one disk to another? I have a running installation on a 20 GB disk I'd like to move to something a little bigger and then take advantage of the new space. Is that something I could do with DD and then use another program to expand my filesystems into the available space? What would I use to expand the filesystem and is it available from the command line or by using knoppix, etc.? > > Is there anything quick and easy? I may give ghost a try but I thought I would ask the question. > > Looking for tips pointers and valuable life experience. TIA. > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Thu Sep 4 16:06:38 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:07:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C04BBB.3030400@gmail.com> References: <48C04BBB.3030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809041606.38874.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> In the past when i've migrated an installation from one disk to another i've just used tar. It is easy if you boot from a live CD. If you are copying the system that is running, it can be a pain because you have to be careful with the special filesystems such as /dev and /proc. Assuming you boot from a live CD, get the old drive mounted as /old (with all other partitions also mounted), the new one as /new (again, with any partitions also mounted) you can do the copy with: # (cd /old ; tar -cf -) | (cd /new ; tar -xvpf -) Then you just need to fix up the boot manager. How to do that varies depending on which one you are running (lilo and grub probably being the most common). On Thursday September 4 2008 15:57, Jeff Chapin wrote: >Additionally, you might bust be able to cp over the data with the >preserve ownership and permissions arguments and swap the disks. > >Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> What are some good ways to move linux from one disk to another? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Sep 4 16:11:20 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:12:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another Message-ID: <48C008A80200002E0002A21F@alliancetechnologies.net> I've used tar and grub-install to do such things in the past. I've used dd. They're all about the same. However, these days, I'd just build a new server and migrate the apps and data to the new code. It's hard enough to keep legacy stuff running, much less when you keep moving the same logical server from box to box. Of course, I also recommend putting everything in LVM, so you don't have to worry about piddly things like disk space. :) If you decide to use dd solution, the idea would be: 1) Image the data 2) Boot your target system (Knoppix, Helix, System Rescue, etc) 3) Move the image somewhere (CD, USB drive, etc) 4) Unroll the image onto the disk using dd 5) Use fdisk to adjust the size of the partition (may require a reboot to load the new table) 6) Run an fsck on the unmounted file system. Really, run the check. If it's ext, run with -f. 7) Resize the file system (resize2fs, resize_reiserfs, etc) 8) Cross your fingers and reboot. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Nathan C. Smith" 09/04/08 3:47 PM >>> What are some good ways to move linux from one disk to another? I have a running installation on a 20 GB disk I'd like to move to something a little bigger and then take advantage of the new space. Is that something I could do with DD and then use another program to expand my filesystems into the available space? What would I use to expand the filesystem and is it available from the command line or by using knoppix, etc.? Is there anything quick and easy? I may give ghost a try but I thought I would ask the question. Looking for tips pointers and valuable life experience. TIA. -Nate _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From gray at cs.uni.edu Thu Sep 4 16:14:30 2008 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:16:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C04FB6.7090209@cs.uni.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nathan C. Smith wrote: > What are some good ways to move linux from one disk to another? I have a running installation on a 20 GB disk I'd like to move to something a little bigger and then take advantage of the new space. Is that something I could do with DD and then use another program to expand my filesystems into the available space? What would I use to expand the filesystem and is it available from the command line or by using knoppix, etc.? > > Is there anything quick and easy? I may give ghost a try but I thought I would ask the question. > > Looking for tips pointers and valuable life experience. TIA. Power off Install second drive Boot finnix mkfs new partition(s) on new drive mount /dev// /mnt/oldmount mount /dev// /mnt/newtarget rsync -plarv /mnt/oldmount/ /mnt/newtarget/ mkswap /dev/secondrive vi /mnt/newtarget/fstab (fix hda <-> sda changes) vi /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst (fix hda <-> sda changes) grub --no-floppy root (hd1,0) setup (hd1) quit poweroff yank old drive power on dd takes too long, and isn't too kind to resizing partitions - -- Paul Gray 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science -o) University of Northern Iowa /\\ Supercomputing 2008 Education Program Chair _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjAT7UACgkQOH45TZW7mh5+dgCg3qQ+7CCeRjp6ozwuf0ygyQin F0kAniUuP8iwvGw8ZMtFkU3My+ZWMXd+ =EJrH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zach at kotlarek.com Thu Sep 4 16:41:33 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:41:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C04FB6.7090209@cs.uni.edu> References: <48C04FB6.7090209@cs.uni.edu> Message-ID: <27CE7F6B-A970-4121-AE51-8D493EBFE72F@kotlarek.com> On Sep 4, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Paul Gray wrote: > dd takes too long That depends on your usage. dd can be significantly faster if you have a mostly full disk, or a large number of small file, or both. But a file-based copy like tar or rsync will be much faster if you have a mostly empty disk. In any case, if you're going to copy files (with tar, cp, rsync, etc.) as opposed to blocked (with dd) and are booted off another disk be sure to use numeric UID/GIDs or you're likely to end up with bad ownership. > and isn't too kind to resizing partitions Unless the partition layout on the disk prevents contiguous expansion it shouldn't be a problem. After the copy just rewrite the partition map and grow the FS. But I agree with the LVM sentiment -- it makes things like partitions and physical disk layout almost inconsequential. If the system were setup with LVM in the first place you could add the second drive, migrate the data, and remove the old drive without even rebooting. Combine that with a file system that supports live resizing (JFS, XFS, ResierFS, ext* with appropriate kernel support, etc.) and you wouldn't even need to unmount anything to use the extra space. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080904/2bd5008d/smime.bin From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Sep 4 16:48:04 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:48:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another Message-ID: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> I generally agree, but want to mention that ReiserFS only sorta supports live resizing. I don't recommend relying on that feature in a production environment. We've had issues. The solution involved backup tapes. That is all. :) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Zachary Kotlarek 09/04/08 4:41 PM >>> On Sep 4, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Paul Gray wrote: > dd takes too long That depends on your usage. dd can be significantly faster if you have a mostly full disk, or a large number of small file, or both. But a file-based copy like tar or rsync will be much faster if you have a mostly empty disk. In any case, if you're going to copy files (with tar, cp, rsync, etc.) as opposed to blocked (with dd) and are booted off another disk be sure to use numeric UID/GIDs or you're likely to end up with bad ownership. > and isn't too kind to resizing partitions Unless the partition layout on the disk prevents contiguous expansion it shouldn't be a problem. After the copy just rewrite the partition map and grow the FS. But I agree with the LVM sentiment -- it makes things like partitions and physical disk layout almost inconsequential. If the system were setup with LVM in the first place you could add the second drive, migrate the data, and remove the old drive without even rebooting. Combine that with a file system that supports live resizing (JFS, XFS, ResierFS, ext* with appropriate kernel support, etc.) and you wouldn't even need to unmount anything to use the extra space. Zach From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 16:56:42 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 16:57:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Anyone using Amazon ECS or other similar services? Message-ID: Are the services easy to manage? How does that work? Did you have any good references to get started? I'm wondering about using ECS or VPS as proxy servers, TOR instances, or first-touch mail servers. -Nate From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 4 17:12:40 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 4 17:13:02 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Anyone using Amazon ECS or other similar services? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > Are the services easy to manage? How does that work? Did you have any good references to get started? > > I'm wondering about using ECS or VPS as proxy servers, TOR instances, or first-touch mail servers. ECS (web service for product information) or EC2 (elastic compute cloud)? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From tim06 at perdue.net Thu Sep 4 18:45:03 2008 From: tim06 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Thu Sep 4 18:45:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Anyone using Amazon ECS or other similar services? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C072FF.1000103@perdue.net> Nathan C. Smith wrote: > Are the services easy to manage? How does that work? Did you have any good references to get started? > > I'm wondering about using ECS or VPS as proxy servers, TOR instances, or first-touch mail servers. I set up an EC2 instance for a while and it was fine, but it seems like a really expensive way to host things IMHO. It's several times more expensive than a dedicated server at godaddy for example. From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 4 21:13:12 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 4 21:13:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Anyone using Amazon ECS or other similar services? In-Reply-To: <48C072FF.1000103@perdue.net> References: <48C072FF.1000103@perdue.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Tim Perdue wrote: > Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> >> Are the services easy to manage? How does that work? Did you have any >> good references to get started? >> >> I'm wondering about using ECS or VPS as proxy servers, TOR instances, or >> first-touch mail servers. > > I set up an EC2 instance for a while and it was fine, but it seems like a > really expensive way to host things IMHO. It's several times more expensive > than a dedicated server at godaddy for example. Same here - I didn't buy one but I did the math and for my modest needs I could (and did) get a much better deal elsewhere. One thing I've seen recently along these lines is media temple's gs package which goes for $20/mo and appears to have replaced their shared hosting option. It looks quite interesting. But then again, shiny brochures always do. Probably not an ideal solution for TOR or proxy servers or mail servers though. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 4 21:23:27 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 4 21:23:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Anyone using Amazon ECS or other similar services? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops, yes, I meant EC2. Sorry. Amazon might benefit from some fun product names? -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:13 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Anyone using Amazon ECS or other > similar services? > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Nathan C. Smith > wrote: > > > > Are the services easy to manage? How does that work? Did > you have any good references to get started? > > > > I'm wondering about using ECS or VPS as proxy servers, TOR > instances, or first-touch mail servers. > > ECS (web service for product information) or EC2 (elastic > compute cloud)? > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From gray at cs.uni.edu Fri Sep 5 09:19:59 2008 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:21:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>> Zachary Kotlarek 09/04/08 4:41 PM >>> > > On Sep 4, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Paul Gray wrote: > >> dd takes too long > > That depends on your usage. dd can be significantly faster if you have > a mostly full disk, or a large number of small file, or both. But a > file-based copy like tar or rsync will be much faster if you have a > mostly empty disk. > > In any case, if you're going to copy files (with tar, cp, rsync, etc.) > as opposed to blocked (with dd) and are booted off another disk be > sure to use numeric UID/GIDs or you're likely to end up with bad > ownership. > Bad ownership? I must call "B.S." on this -- 'rsync -plarv' (which is what I suggested) preserves all ownership and permission IDs, and doesn't give a hoot about entries in the target's /etc/{passwd,shadow}. Certainly a very naive use of the tar command would produce the permissions fiasco that you describe. I assert that if you're going to be naive about using a tool, the naive use of dd would have even worse consequences. UID/GID's are just numeric fields of the file descriptors, and rsync, just like cp, preserves every bit of these fields *when told to do so*. My advice was "rsync -plarv", which if you look at the options, preserves all the things that you want it to preserve. With rsync, you also defrag your entire disk...with dd, you preserve your fragmentation. There -- some more fuel for the fire. Fanning the flames even more: With rsync, you can also backup across a network to your large storage array. Unless you're recompiled bash with socket support or are using udpcast, that's a bit harder to do with dd. Even duping a live system that's starting to throw SMART errors on a drive to the point where it might not boot up another time is something that rsync can do across the network if you're adventurous. Close down your databases (and anything else with open files that are unlocked) and issue: rsync -plarv --exclude='/proc/*' --exclude='/sys/*' \ --exclude='/tmp/*' --exclude='/dev/*' \ --exclude='/var/cache/apt/archives/*' \ / root@backuphost:/backups/system-backup/ Take the target image, lay it across a fresh drive in another system in the manner that I posted and you can have a hot-swap system ready to go before the original fails. (N.B. This works for "non-failing" systeems also, if you haven't backed up for a while.) ... Backing up of live systems is *NOT* recommended with dd. I should also be very, very clear about one fundamental thing that the above ranting might not truly convey: I *HATE* rsync. It's analogous to sendmail in my book. - -- Paul Gray 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science -o) University of Northern Iowa /\\ Supercomputing 2008 Education Program Chair _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjBQA4ACgkQOH45TZW7mh5DKACgrEg0pnwhICahEY6mQBzT8UKN zmsAn37RcGfHvGgWyzNkOzIlYx3bPMEn =jeZ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Sep 5 09:33:19 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:33:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> Message-ID: > I should also be very, very clear about one fundamental thing that the > above ranting might not truly convey: I *HATE* rsync. It's analogous > to sendmail in my book. Tell me more about this, is it because of security reasons, or because of the verbosity and number of options, too big and bloated? BTW, for those that are interested, I did a successful "copy" using g4u (so DD) and will try volume expansion this weekend. If that fails, I will try some other suggestions ;) -Nate > > - -- > Paul Gray > 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science -o) > University of Northern Iowa /\\ > Supercomputing 2008 Education Program Chair _\_V > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjBQA4ACgkQOH45TZW7mh5DKACgrEg0pnwhICahEY6mQBzT8UKN > zmsAn37RcGfHvGgWyzNkOzIlYx3bPMEn > =jeZ1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dchampion at visionary.com Fri Sep 5 09:52:58 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:53:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> Message-ID: <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> I was with Paul... until he said he hates rsync. The only thing I hate about rysnc is most windows admins don't know what it is, so I can't rsync to their servers. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> I should also be very, very clear about one fundamental thing that the >> above ranting might not truly convey: I *HATE* rsync. It's analogous >> to sendmail in my book. >> > > Tell me more about this, is it because of security reasons, or because of the verbosity and number of options, too big and bloated? > > BTW, for those that are interested, I did a successful "copy" using g4u (so DD) and will try volume expansion this weekend. If that fails, I will try some other suggestions ;) > > -Nate > > >> - -- >> Paul Gray >> 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science -o) >> University of Northern Iowa /\\ >> Supercomputing 2008 Education Program Chair _\_V >> Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin >> No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkjBQA4ACgkQOH45TZW7mh5DKACgrEg0pnwhICahEY6mQBzT8UKN >> zmsAn37RcGfHvGgWyzNkOzIlYx3bPMEn >> =jeZ1 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Fri Sep 5 10:07:56 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:08:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> Message-ID: <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> I love rsync. I use it for backups on my home network by rsync'ing machines to a file server. I was a bit surprised to see it recommended for copying from one disk to another though. In my experience, rsync is wonderful for synchronizing large file sets where not much has changed. But for an initial copy it is very slow. I haven't objectively benchmarked it recently, but it seems to take about twice as long as tar or cp. Usually when adding a new machine to an rsync backup plan i do the initial file copy using tar piped through an ssh connection, and then use rsync for subsequent updates. On Friday September 5 2008 09:52, David Champion wrote: >I was with Paul... until he said he hates rsync. The only thing I hate >about rysnc is most windows admins don't know what it is, so I can't >rsync to their servers. > >-dc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From david at bierce.org Fri Sep 5 10:13:22 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:13:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <616862E8-EF71-44A4-8902-B3ED5D55826D@bierce.org> For copying to a new disk, I'll stick with tar. However, I've been using rsync version 3 for backups at home and it has been much much faster from the previous version. Especially when copying lots of little files. Dave On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I love rsync. I use it for backups on my home network by rsync'ing > machines to a file server. I was a bit surprised to see it recommended > for copying from one disk to another though. In my experience, rsync > is > wonderful for synchronizing large file sets where not much has > changed. > But for an initial copy it is very slow. I haven't objectively > benchmarked it recently, but it seems to take about twice as long as > tar or cp. Usually when adding a new machine to an rsync backup plan i > do the initial file copy using tar piped through an ssh connection, > and > then use rsync for subsequent updates. > > On Friday September 5 2008 09:52, David Champion wrote: >> I was with Paul... until he said he hates rsync. The only thing I >> hate >> about rysnc is most windows admins don't know what it is, so I can't >> rsync to their servers. >> >> -dc > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake > University > Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave > +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From cmlburnett at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:14:28 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:14:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I love rsync. I use it for backups on my home network by rsync'ing > machines to a file server. Any fans/users of rsnapshot? (rsnapshot.org) Colin From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Sep 5 10:16:34 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:16:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <616862E8-EF71-44A4-8902-B3ED5D55826D@bierce.org> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <616862E8-EF71-44A4-8902-B3ED5D55826D@bierce.org> Message-ID: > > However, I've been using rsync version 3 for backups at home and it > has been much much faster from the previous version. Especially when > copying lots of little files. > > Dave > Have you ever looked at rdiff-backup? -Nate From david at bierce.org Fri Sep 5 10:23:44 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:24:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <616862E8-EF71-44A4-8902-B3ED5D55826D@bierce.org> Message-ID: <23521C7A-254C-4072-BEF4-EB6D88AC673E@bierce.org> I did before I gave the new rsync a shot. I'm happy enough with the speed of the new rsync I don't think I'll bother looking for something new for a while. Plus I couldn't tell if rdiff could handle resources forks. Dave On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> >> However, I've been using rsync version 3 for backups at home and it >> has been much much faster from the previous version. Especially when >> copying lots of little files. >> >> Dave >> > > Have you ever looked at rdiff-backup? > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Sep 5 10:31:33 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:31:56 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I love rsync. I use it for backups on my home network by rsync'ing > machines to a file server. I was a bit surprised to see it recommended > for copying from one disk to another though. In my experience, rsync is > wonderful for synchronizing large file sets where not much has changed. I've used it for backup but also was surprised it was mentioned for a disk-to-disk mirroring task. Does it deal with special files ok? like /dev and named pipes. Are people doing this while the system is running or are they doing it when booted from a live cd? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From tom at tcpconsulting.com Fri Sep 5 10:37:15 2008 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:37:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: I don't use that but I do use this: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ I do full backups monthly and incrementals throughout the month and keep 365 days worth of backups on 186GB of data (~ 2gb of changes per day). Right now, the full year of backups is using 517GB! -Tom On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley > wrote: >> I love rsync. I use it for backups on my home network by rsync'ing >> machines to a file server. > > Any fans/users of rsnapshot? (rsnapshot.org) > > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Sep 5 10:39:06 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Sep 5 10:39:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Pohl > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:37 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another > > I don't use that but I do use this: > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > I do full backups monthly and incrementals throughout the month and > keep 365 days worth of backups on 186GB of data (~ 2gb of changes per > day). Right now, the full year of backups is using 517GB! > > -Tom > Are you using it on Windows too? From barry at vonahsen.com Fri Sep 5 11:24:00 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:24:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <48C15D20.1090401@vonahsen.com> I like rsync for intra-disk copies, just because of the inevitable mid-copy permission error/unavailable file/etc, then you don't have to recopy the first half of the directory. I can guess where Paul's coming from, though, once you figure out the syntax quirks ( "src/ dest", "src dest/" and "src/ dest/" are _very_ different commands), it's great ooh, I've got it: tar/cp:rsync::$EDITOR:vi - once you learn it, it's the only way :) -barry Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > I love rsync. I use it for backups on my home network by rsync'ing > machines to a file server. I was a bit surprised to see it recommended > for copying from one disk to another though. In my experience, rsync is > wonderful for synchronizing large file sets where not much has changed. > But for an initial copy it is very slow. I haven't objectively > benchmarked it recently, but it seems to take about twice as long as > tar or cp. Usually when adding a new machine to an rsync backup plan i > do the initial file copy using tar piped through an ssh connection, and > then use rsync for subsequent updates. > > On Friday September 5 2008 09:52, David Champion wrote: >> I was with Paul... until he said he hates rsync. The only thing I hate >> about rysnc is most windows admins don't know what it is, so I can't >> rsync to their servers. >> >> -dc > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University > Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave > +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Fri Sep 5 11:27:05 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:27:27 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C15D20.1090401@vonahsen.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <48C15D20.1090401@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <200809051127.05404.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Friday September 5 2008 11:24, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >I can guess where Paul's coming from, though, once you figure out the >syntax quirks ( "src/ dest", "src dest/" and "src/ dest/" are _very_ >different commands), it's great That's one thing i don't like about rsync. I've never really grokked how those syntax variations differ in meaning. You can add "/." to the end of directory names (instead of just "/"), which does something different, for even more confusion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From zach at kotlarek.com Fri Sep 5 11:38:58 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:39:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> Message-ID: <2A8D85EE-FDA0-4B07-9810-FE0E424ED7E6@kotlarek.com> On Sep 5, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Paul Gray wrote: >> Zachary Kotlarek 09/04/08 4:41 PM >>> >> >> >> In any case, if you're going to copy files (with tar, cp, rsync, >> etc.) >> as opposed to blocked (with dd) and are booted off another disk be >> sure to use numeric UID/GIDs or you're likely to end up with bad >> ownership. > > Bad ownership? > > I must call "B.S." on this -- 'rsync -plarv' (which is what I > suggested) preserves all ownership and permission IDs, and doesn't > give > a hoot about entries in the target's /etc/{passwd,shadow}. > Certainly a > very naive use of the tar command would produce the permissions fiasco > that you describe. I assert that if you're going to be naive about > using a tool, the naive use of dd would have even worse consequences. I wasn't my intent to disagree with your choice or particular usage of rsync, other than to say the dd works too, and may in some cases be superior. My statement about bad ownership wasn't directed at your particular example with rsync; there were previous examples in this thread that did not specify numeric UIDs/GIDs, and I was attempting to convey that the use of *any file-based copy* required special attention to ownership, which seemed to me a reasonable point of contrast with block-based duplication. I apologize if I did not make the scope of my comment clear. > Fanning the flames even more: With rsync, you can also backup across a > network to your large storage array. Unless you're recompiled bash > with > socket support or are using udpcast, that's a bit harder to do with > dd. It's not hard for me: dd of=/dev/stdout | ssh targethost 'dd if=/dev/stdin' But if you were planning to copy across the network I'd use `buffer`, which copies from STDIN to STDOUT unless you tell it otherwise, and which provides buffering, as the name suggests. > ... Backing up of live systems is *NOT* recommended with dd. It's not recommended with rsync either, rsync just isn't capable of producing filesystem level errors like block-level copies. But you might still end up with inconsistent files. Live backups are another place where LVM is a good choice -- you can spawn a snapshot and then use dd or rsync or any other duplication tool to get consistent (from a file system perspective; running apps may disagree) backups without shutting anything down at all. Or if you want to shutdown your apps first you can take a snapshot while they're down, restart them, and do a backup of the snapshot while they're running to avoid the extended downtime. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080905/fd9332f2/smime.bin From John.Lengeling at radisys.com Fri Sep 5 11:45:25 2008 From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:45:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C15D20.1090401@vonahsen.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com><200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <48C15D20.1090401@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <3079A81D496F584C8FE6B1FD93FB89D301806016@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com> I love/hate rsync...mainly hate. When you copy data from one place to another you want the tool to simply make an identical copy at the destination. The problem with rsync is that it doesn't do that unless you get the options just right. I always seem to have to run rsync several times to discover the right options and then having to perform a recursive diff to verify that the source and destination are identical. It should just assume that by default. My other pet peeve is when you are rsyncing to a new unpopulated destination it takes way too long. Just today I was trying to copy 4G from Des Moines to Boca Raton and the performance is poor compared to ftping a tarball. There is too much per file overhead which slows it down. You have to create an initial copy at the destination using a tarball then run rsync to pick up any of the differences. This is the one thing that rsync does well. Give me "tar | (cd /dir; tar)" any day. It just works as expected...more often than rsync. johnl From david at bierce.org Fri Sep 5 12:03:13 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Fri Sep 5 12:03:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Dell OpenManage on Ubuntu Message-ID: <798D63CE-D6B3-4759-BEDE-0F06529F1380@bierce.org> Ello -- Has anyone ever had success using the community debian packages of OpenManage on ubuntu? I'm looking at deploying a new production environment using ubuntu (from REHL4/5), but it appears I can't pull all the hardware metrics and states like I used to. Dave From theron.conrey at dice.com Fri Sep 5 12:53:10 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Fri Sep 5 12:53:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE81487@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> I've used this at home (Linux clients) and it works well. After recommending this to another coworker here, he uses it for a small windows clients only network and it's pulled his rear out of the fire more than once. This is on my short list of favorite software solutions. On the cloning the disk "discussion", G4U is fantastic if you've got the time, or want to set up to do more than one box at a time. Other than that I'd use a boot cdrom and a dd / gparted solution. -Theron -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Nathan C. Smith Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:39 AM To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Pohl > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:37 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another > > I don't use that but I do use this: > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > I do full backups monthly and incrementals throughout the month and > keep 365 days worth of backups on 186GB of data (~ 2gb of changes per > day). Right now, the full year of backups is using 517GB! > > -Tom > Are you using it on Windows too? _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tom at tcpconsulting.com Fri Sep 5 13:22:52 2008 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:23:15 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <03F50CDE-32D7-4E88-8E59-8E00998C035C@tcpconsulting.com> I'm not yet, but soon I will be on certain developer's PC's who don't commit to cvs when working on a big project in their local :) -Tom On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Pohl >> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:37 AM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another >> >> I don't use that but I do use this: >> http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ >> >> I do full backups monthly and incrementals throughout the month and >> keep 365 days worth of backups on 186GB of data (~ 2gb of changes per >> day). Right now, the full year of backups is using 517GB! >> >> -Tom >> > > Are you using it on Windows too? > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nathanism at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:30:47 2008 From: nathanism at gmail.com (Nathan Stien) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:31:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mitigating runaway swap with a vm.conf tweak? Message-ID: <8b490d600809051130s5a9e1fd3h9740a25c95db98a5@mail.gmail.com> Howdy Luggers, I happened upon a blog post that talks about changing a couple of settings in /etc/sysctl.d/vm.conf to get better behavior when you have a runaway process grabbing all of your RAM, making your machine unresponsive: https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/303-vm.overcommit_memory-2,-vm.overcommit_ratio-0.html He sets his overcommit ratio to zero, in order to "make sure that it only hands out (swap size + 0 * RAM size) to processes," with the proviso that your swap size approximates your physical RAM size. The idea is that you can still get the benefits of swap (little-used pages get swapped out so the OS can use that physical memory for file buffers), without a buggy program being able to malloc() your box to death. I wanted to poll the collective wisdom of the LUG to get some opinions on the idea. The author himself is also looking for better ways to do this. I anticipate some of you will just say "don't use swap!", but I prefer to have swap on a desktop/laptop system. (I am less attached to it on servers.) - Nathan From eric at eric.nu Fri Sep 5 13:38:09 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Fri Sep 5 13:38:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mitigating runaway swap with a vm.conf tweak? In-Reply-To: <8b490d600809051130s5a9e1fd3h9740a25c95db98a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b490d600809051130s5a9e1fd3h9740a25c95db98a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C17C91.7080209@eric.nu> Nathan Stien wrote: > Howdy Luggers, > > I happened upon a blog post that talks about changing a couple of > settings in /etc/sysctl.d/vm.conf to get better behavior when you have > a runaway process grabbing all of your RAM, making your machine > unresponsive: > > https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/303-vm.overcommit_memory-2,-vm.overcommit_ratio-0.html You can also tune by echoing a value from 0 to 100 into /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Eric From dchampion at visionary.com Fri Sep 5 14:22:12 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Fri Sep 5 14:22:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <03F50CDE-32D7-4E88-8E59-8E00998C035C@tcpconsulting.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <200809051007.56202.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <03F50CDE-32D7-4E88-8E59-8E00998C035C@tcpconsulting.com> Message-ID: <48C186E4.30706@visionary.com> I haven't used it yet (other than this quick test), but Mandriva has a simplified wizard driven tool for doing rsync's between servers. Here's a screenshot: http://www.dchamp.net/~dave/pics/draksync.png Seems like it has some nice features, like creating groups and such. Could be handy for some tasks, but not nearly such a dedicated backup tool as the BackupPC thing Tom mentioned. -dc From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Sep 5 20:25:06 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri Sep 5 20:26:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Neat Tool: ROM-o-matic.net Message-ID: <48C195A20200002E0002A321@alliancetechnologies.net> I've been refreshing my LTSP-based music system at home. As part of the testing, I needed one more thin client than I had, and the extra box I had did not support PXE booting natively. After a fair amount of googling, I stumbled across http://rom-o-matic.net/ Basically, you can follow the gPXE link, enter the information that matches your card, and generate an image (cd, floppy, usb, etc) that will boot, recognize the card and then flip you into a PXE boot session. It also gives you the ability to flash ROMs as well as some pretty cool command line tools to use for debugging various issues. I wanted to mention it here in case anyone else might be interested. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Fri Sep 5 20:44:25 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Fri Sep 5 20:45:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mitigating runaway swap with a vm.conf tweak? Message-ID: <48C19A290200002E0002A325@alliancetechnologies.net> It's a reasonable idea, but I am always wary of tuning to avoid problems as opposed to tuning for performance. Performance is a discrete and measurable goal. While there are not an infinite number of problems you could have, the number is certainly larger than the performance metrics. It's analogous to using whitelists as opposed to blacklists. A well tuned and coded system should never need be backfilled this way. However, if this were approached from a "I hope we never encounter this type of situation, but in case we do, let's do this", it's analogous to a defense in depth strategy, so I guess it makes sense. However, I'd rather see a solution that runs risky applications in a way that limits their resources (performance tuning, virtualization, chroot, monit, etc). That seems to be better design. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Nathan Stien" 09/05/08 1:30 PM >>> Howdy Luggers, I happened upon a blog post that talks about changing a couple of settings in /etc/sysctl.d/vm.conf to get better behavior when you have a runaway process grabbing all of your RAM, making your machine unresponsive: https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/303-vm.overcommit_memory-2,-vm.overcommit_ratio-0.html He sets his overcommit ratio to zero, in order to "make sure that it only hands out (swap size + 0 * RAM size) to processes," with the proviso that your swap size approximates your physical RAM size. The idea is that you can still get the benefits of swap (little-used pages get swapped out so the OS can use that physical memory for file buffers), without a buggy program being able to malloc() your box to death. I wanted to poll the collective wisdom of the LUG to get some opinions on the idea. The author himself is also looking for better ways to do this. I anticipate some of you will just say "don't use swap!", but I prefer to have swap on a desktop/laptop system. (I am less attached to it on servers.) - Nathan _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From kristau at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 12:55:55 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Sat Sep 6 12:56:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> Message-ID: <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:52 AM, David Champion wrote: > I was with Paul... until he said he hates rsync. The only thing I hate about > rysnc is most windows admins don't know what it is, so I can't rsync to > their servers. > > -dc Here are two options that may help win your Windows admins over: * cwrsync (http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650) -- basically, the bare minimum Cygwin libraries bundled with ssh and rsync to run under Windows. This adds direct ssh and rsync support to a Windows box. * Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com/index.php) -- Awesome utility that replicates much of rsync's functionality in a native Windows app and gives it lots of GUI goodness. It is not compatible with rsync AFAIK, but as of version 3 he now produces a Linux native version. I've not used the Linux version yet, but I carry a license so I intend to check it out soon. Licensing terms are very reasonable considering what this utility does, BTW. This is the closest we've come to a flame war on this list in quite a while, I think. And over rsync of all things?! My $0.02: * rsync is not a long-haul or low-bandwidth solution. Shipping X GB of data across the country is better accomplished "Blues Brothers" style -- "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it." * The options available for rsync are as numerous and confusing as ls. However, once you find the right combo for what you are doing, you end up sticking with it. How many different ways do you use ls day-to-day compared to the possibilities? Same thing goes for rsync. Personally, I use the options '-aPv' for just about everything I do. (both -a and -P are meta-options encompassing a variety of commonly used settings) -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From barry at vonahsen.com Sat Sep 6 16:53:41 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Sat Sep 6 16:54:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C2FBE5.7010807@vonahsen.com> kristau wrote: > This is the closest we've come to a flame war on this list in quite a > while, I think. And over rsync of all things?! > > My $0.02: > * rsync is not a long-haul or low-bandwidth solution. Shipping X GB > of data across the country is better accomplished "Blues Brothers" > style -- "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, > half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. > Hit it." I'm still finding this argument interesting - if I've got 200G of data to ship across the country, and the transfer fails half-way with a tarball, I've got to start over from zero, where with rsync, I only have to start from half. everyone found the -z flag, right (compress)? fwiw, my incantation is "-avze ssh" (usually -avze 'ssh -o $ssh_options'), though now I've learned about -P - thanks LUG :) -barry From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Sat Sep 6 17:15:12 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Sat Sep 6 17:15:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:56 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another > > This is the closest we've come to a flame war on this list in > quite a while, I think. And over rsync of all things?! > Yes, but I think it has been an interesting disussion. I was under the impression that a lot of people thought rsync was like sliced bread or manna from heaven. It would seem not everyone feels that way. -Nate From John.Lengeling at radisys.com Sat Sep 6 18:11:28 2008 From: John.Lengeling at radisys.com (John Lengeling) Date: Sat Sep 6 18:12:05 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C2FBE5.7010807@vonahsen.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com><3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> <48C2FBE5.7010807@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <3079A81D496F584C8FE6B1FD93FB89D3018060CA@OREXCHANGE01.radisys.com> > I'm still finding this argument interesting - if I've got 200G of data > to ship across the country, and the transfer fails half-way with a > tarball, I've got to start over from zero, where with rsync, I only have > to start from half. everyone found the -z flag, right (compress)? You don't have to restart the xfer all over. Just use a restartable ftp client like ncftp. It will start xfering where you left off. From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Sat Sep 6 19:59:39 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Sat Sep 6 20:00:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Linux on an XBox Message-ID: <48C2E12B0200002E0002A35A@alliancetechnologies.net> I just got this email. If anyone wants to commit to helping William at the InstallFest, let me know so I can let him know. ------ This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.cialug.org from: William Schwartz I wanted to come to the Installfest on the twentieth of this month, but first I wanted to confirm that you can, in fact, help me convert to Linux. The hardware I wish to convert is an Xbox model 1.6. I've tried searching the Internet for help, but everything I find is just way over my head- all I want is an Xbox that can also function as a normal computer. The only techniques I've found for converting a 1.6 Xbox model in this way are too complex and I'm just not good enough with computers to do it myself. So, can your club help me out? If I show up at the Installfest with my Xbox, will I leave the Studio with an Xbox capable of functioning like a normal computer? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From newz at bearfruit.org Sat Sep 6 20:04:28 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Sat Sep 6 20:04:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <48C2FBE5.7010807@vonahsen.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> <48C2FBE5.7010807@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > I'm still finding this argument interesting - if I've got 200G of data to > ship across the country, and the transfer fails half-way with a tarball, > I've got to start over from zero, where with rsync, I only have to start > from half. everyone found the -z flag, right (compress)? Two things, I've noticed rsync is slower to transfer when I'm copying many small files verses large files. For a (hopefully) one time copy of a very large tar file I'd split it first. 100M chunks or similar. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From jeff at ocjtech.us Sat Sep 6 20:09:50 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Sat Sep 6 20:10:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Linux on an XBox In-Reply-To: <48C2E12B0200002E0002A35A@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48C2E12B0200002E0002A35A@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <935ead450809061809j7399be7al524c38ba46992617@mail.gmail.com> > The hardware I wish to convert is an Xbox model 1.6. Not that I'll be there anyway, but it looks like trying to get Linux running on a v1.6 xbox is difficult/impossible: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Version_1.6_Warning -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From crouse at usalug.net Sat Sep 6 20:23:14 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Sat Sep 6 20:23:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Neat Tool: ROM-o-matic.net In-Reply-To: <48C195A20200002E0002A321@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48C195A20200002E0002A321@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: I remember setting up K12LTSP 4.0 ( Fedora based) in 2003, I posted a how to on that, and had to use http://www.rom-o-matic.net/5.2.2/ (link is dead now) to get a 3com509tpo ethernet card to boot from floppy as it had a bios that didn't have a PXE option. I used LTSP for a year or so before moving on (finally got a few more faster computers). Here is the link to that ancient how to I wrote years ago, in case anyone wants to see it ;) http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1284 But yes, the http://rom-o-matic.net/ proved to be a lifesaver for a couple of my machines. Dave Crouse On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Josh More wrote: > I've been refreshing my LTSP-based music system at home. As part of the > testing, I needed one more thin client than I had, and the extra box I > had did not support PXE booting natively. > > After a fair amount of googling, I stumbled across > http://rom-o-matic.net/ > > Basically, you can follow the gPXE link, enter the information that > matches your card, and generate an image (cd, floppy, usb, etc) that > will boot, recognize the card and then flip you into a PXE boot session. > It also gives you the ability to flash ROMs as well as some pretty cool > command line tools to use for debugging various issues. > > I wanted to mention it here in case anyone else might be interested. > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Sat Sep 6 20:39:54 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Sat Sep 6 20:40:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion In-Reply-To: <48C04B66.7040506@visionary.com> References: <48C04971.9090001@internetsolver.com> <48C04B66.7040506@visionary.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of David Champion > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:56 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Mbox to maildir conversion > > I've done various iterations of this... mbox to maildir, > cyrus to courier... if you google around you should be able > to find the right script for your conversion. I usually had > to end up doing some minor tweaking to the scripts to exactly > what I needed. > > -dc > I managed to convert some mbox stuff to maildir. Thanks everyone for your pointers. I have one remaining question. My mbox stuff had folders. When I converted it, the folders seemed to have gone. (they were not recreated). The mbox format doesn't seem to accommodate folders, so how were they done? They must have been in the imap server somehow. I'm still googling for information on the mailbox format, but I'd welcome any hints on this. Thanks. -Nate From jrcole at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 21:42:36 2008 From: jrcole at gmail.com (Jim Cole) Date: Sat Sep 6 21:42:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Neat Tool: ROM-o-matic.net Message-ID: Josh, have you ever looked at Subsonic for your music system? * http://subsonic.sourceforge.net/ *It's the best I've seen at streaming music. -Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LTSP is pretty much perfect for my needs, as I get the ability to play music and also get the normal Linux tools wherever I am. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Jim Cole" 09/06/08 9:42 PM >>> Josh, have you ever looked at Subsonic for your music system? * http://subsonic.sourceforge.net/ *It's the best I've seen at streaming music. -Jim From gray at cs.uni.edu Sun Sep 7 08:57:51 2008 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Sun Sep 7 08:59:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C3DDDF.7060501@cs.uni.edu> kristau wrote: > However, once you find the right combo for what you are doing, you > end up sticking with it. How many different ways do you use ls > day-to-day compared to the possibilities? Same thing goes for rsync. > Personally, I use the options '-aPv' for just about everything I do. > (both -a and -P are meta-options encompassing a variety of commonly > used settings) > It's like ps -"aux", It's a command that you say in your head as you type it" "pee ess dash augchs". Say it like your parents are from Berlin as you type and it rolls off your fingers. Same thing with "rsync -plarv"... You have to say it like it's "Speak like a pirate day." Say "Plarrrrvvvvgh!" (silent 'gh') and then you never forget the rsync options that 'work.' -aPv ?? Maybe "-Pav" ? Still doesn't have the ring to it. -PG From timchampion at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 14:07:00 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Sun Sep 7 14:07:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Linux on an XBox In-Reply-To: <935ead450809061809j7399be7al524c38ba46992617@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C2E12B0200002E0002A35A@alliancetechnologies.net> <935ead450809061809j7399be7al524c38ba46992617@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20809071207p24a9ab0dsa780c1cc55aaf923@mail.gmail.com> I think the mechinstaller hack uses the same vulnerability, but I have successfully used the 007:Agent Under Fire saved game that launches EvolutionX - which then give you FTP access to your xbox. I still have the saved game, and the game disk if you want to give it a shot. And yes, my xbox is currently running DSL. http://12.216.52.180/ I'm sure it was an earlier xbox, but its worth a try. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > > The hardware I wish to convert is an Xbox model 1.6. > > Not that I'll be there anyway, but it looks like trying to get Linux > running on a v1.6 xbox is difficult/impossible: > > http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Version_1.6_Warning > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080907/1b4bf9ed/attachment.htm From crouse at usalug.net Sun Sep 7 18:20:48 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Sun Sep 7 18:21:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Nice Linux networking article. Message-ID: 10 quick tips to make Linux networking easier http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=400 pdf download.. http://downloads.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=381367 [quote] Networking is a must-have on all levels of computing. Be it home or corporate, networking is the one aspect of computing that is, without a shadow of a doubt, a deal breaker. And with some help, the Linux operating system can be the king of networking, in both ease of use and security. But that doesn't mean the average (and sometimes even the above-average) user can't use some help. These tips should help make Linux networking go a little more smoothly. [/quote] nice article..... read more at the above link From theron.conrey at dice.com Mon Sep 8 08:20:43 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Mon Sep 8 08:21:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another In-Reply-To: <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C011440200002E0002A232@alliancetechnologies.net> <48C1400F.6010908@cs.uni.edu> <48C147CA.90402@visionary.com> <3effba680809061055kcf2a287ha702b9c0ca063d64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE8148E@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Can't leave your picks out of the crosshairs then kristau, I use unison( http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison ) to handle simple sync style actions between my workstations. It's in most of the standard linux repositories, and has binaries built for Windows, OSX, Solaris, *BSDs, and a list of systems I thought had died long ago. I keep my laptop, my workstation, and another couple of boxes directory structures synced up with this, and the interface is super easy to use. Easy method of handling conflicts. http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download.html -Theron -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:56 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Moving Linux from one disk to another On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:52 AM, David Champion wrote: > I was with Paul... until he said he hates rsync. The only thing I hate > about rysnc is most windows admins don't know what it is, so I can't > rsync to their servers. > > -dc Here are two options that may help win your Windows admins over: * cwrsync (http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650) -- basically, the bare minimum Cygwin libraries bundled with ssh and rsync to run under Windows. This adds direct ssh and rsync support to a Windows box. * Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com/index.php) -- Awesome utility that replicates much of rsync's functionality in a native Windows app and gives it lots of GUI goodness. It is not compatible with rsync AFAIK, but as of version 3 he now produces a Linux native version. I've not used the Linux version yet, but I carry a license so I intend to check it out soon. Licensing terms are very reasonable considering what this utility does, BTW. This is the closest we've come to a flame war on this list in quite a while, I think. And over rsync of all things?! My $0.02: * rsync is not a long-haul or low-bandwidth solution. Shipping X GB of data across the country is better accomplished "Blues Brothers" style -- "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it." * The options available for rsync are as numerous and confusing as ls. However, once you find the right combo for what you are doing, you end up sticking with it. How many different ways do you use ls day-to-day compared to the possibilities? Same thing goes for rsync. Personally, I use the options '-aPv' for just about everything I do. (both -a and -P are meta-options encompassing a variety of commonly used settings) -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Sep 8 09:23:51 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon Sep 8 09:24:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Linux on an XBox In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20809071207p24a9ab0dsa780c1cc55aaf923@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C2E12B0200002E0002A35A@alliancetechnologies.net> <935ead450809061809j7399be7al524c38ba46992617@mail.gmail.com> <7aa1cdb20809071207p24a9ab0dsa780c1cc55aaf923@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C4ED64.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Tim, Will you be at the Software Freedom Day? If so, could you bring the stuff needed to hack the box? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Tim Champion" 09/07/08 2:07 PM >>> I think the mechinstaller hack uses the same vulnerability, but I have successfully used the 007:Agent Under Fire saved game that launches EvolutionX - which then give you FTP access to your xbox. I still have the saved game, and the game disk if you want to give it a shot. And yes, my xbox is currently running DSL. http://12.216.52.180/ I'm sure it was an earlier xbox, but its worth a try. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > > The hardware I wish to convert is an Xbox model 1.6. > > Not that I'll be there anyway, but it looks like trying to get Linux > running on a v1.6 xbox is difficult/impossible: > > http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Version_1.6_Warning > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Sep 8 10:37:53 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:38:16 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Fwd: Wireless before the fact In-Reply-To: <20080907063300.GA751@riva.ucam.org> References: <459408.1062.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080907063300.GA751@riva.ucam.org> Message-ID: This is a rare occurrence - an OS's min requirements going down! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Colin Watson Date: Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:33 AM Subject: Re: Wireless before the fact To: sounder@lists.ubuntu.com On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:41:19AM -0400, Daniel Robitaille wrote: > Not sure what are the minimum requirements nowadays for ram for the > LiveCD, but that may be a problem if your laptop is very old, and > doesn't have a lot of ram in it. I know that the live CD was having > problems on the 256mb laptop I had. That was unfortunately true with 8.04, but happily the 8.10 live CD (when released) should work fine with 256 MB as long as you don't push it *too* hard. -- Colin Watson [cjwatson@ubuntu.com] -- sounder mailing list sounder@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder From jeff at ocjtech.us Mon Sep 8 10:47:04 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:47:28 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Fwd: Wireless before the fact In-Reply-To: References: <459408.1062.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080907063300.GA751@riva.ucam.org> Message-ID: <935ead450809080847k738983c8na42fff71cf27bc5f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > This is a rare occurrence - an OS's min requirements going down! Actually I think it's going to become more common. As people try and get "standard" Linux distributions installed on smaller platforms like cellphones, netbooks, and the OLPC XO they need to slim down the core of the distribution to get it to fit within the constraints of those systems. The real challenge is to do that in a way that doesn't compromise the features of the main distribution when installed on more capable systems or add more work maintaining "forks" of core packages like the kernel or glibc. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Mon Sep 8 10:48:51 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon Sep 8 10:49:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Fwd: Wireless before the fact In-Reply-To: <935ead450809080847k738983c8na42fff71cf27bc5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <459408.1062.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080907063300.GA751@riva.ucam.org> <935ead450809080847k738983c8na42fff71cf27bc5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Ollie > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:47 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Fwd: Wireless before the fact > Actually I think it's going to become more common. As people try and > get "standard" Linux distributions installed on smaller platforms like > cellphones, netbooks, and the OLPC XO they need to slim down the core > of the distribution to get it to fit within the constraints of those > systems. The real challenge is to do that in a way that doesn't > compromise the features of the main distribution when installed on > more capable systems or add more work maintaining "forks" of core > packages like the kernel or glibc. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > Or, they could just use Debian ;) -Nate From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Mon Sep 8 11:14:18 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Mon Sep 8 11:15:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox Message-ID: <48C50747.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> We have a guy who wants to come to Software Freedom Day and get Linux installed on his XBox 1.6 following these steps: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-softmod-your-xbox...for-FREE/?ALLSTEPS Does anyone want to help him turn his gaming system into an expensive brick, or should I tell him not to bother coming? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Mon Sep 8 14:14:44 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:15:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs Message-ID: I used to get $30 or so SSL certs at instant SSL or someplace like that. All I wanted to do was have an SSL cert that the common browsers wouldn't throw a fit about. It seems the price of SSL certs has gone up and instant SSL is now pwned by Comodo. So what are you using for inexpensive SSL certs? -Nate From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Mon Sep 8 14:20:13 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:20:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22944327.26311220901613251.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Try rapidssl.com - I think they're around $60/year, but they're signed by Equifax directly rather than the junk that CAs like GoDaddy make you go through. Their certs are also trusted by default on Palm OS and Windows Mobile (v5+ it seems). Not all CAs have their root certs on mobile platforms. Jonathan Bailey Marshall County, Iowa 1 E Main St, Marshalltown, IA 50158 P: 641-844-2804 / C: 515-988-1021 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan C. Smith" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 2:14:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs I used to get $30 or so SSL certs at instant SSL or someplace like that. All I wanted to do was have an SSL cert that the common browsers wouldn't throw a fit about. It seems the price of SSL certs has gone up and instant SSL is now pwned by Comodo. So what are you using for inexpensive SSL certs? -Nate _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From newz at bearfruit.org Mon Sep 8 14:29:58 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:30:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote: > > I used to get $30 or so SSL certs at instant SSL or someplace like that. All I wanted to do was have an SSL cert that the common browsers wouldn't throw a fit about. It seems the price of SSL certs has gone up and instant SSL is now pwned by Comodo. > > So what are you using for inexpensive SSL certs? > I'm not positive, but the place I used in the past also seems to have raised their price for basic ssl (though I bought a wildcard so can't remember for sure) rapidssl.com. I will say that with phishing become so much more common, the value of a good ssl cert has gone up. (good defined as an org who checks your identity before giving a cert out) -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From tom at tcpconsulting.com Mon Sep 8 14:34:44 2008 From: tom at tcpconsulting.com (Tom Pohl) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:35:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs In-Reply-To: <22944327.26311220901613251.JavaMail.root@zimbra> References: <22944327.26311220901613251.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: Go through theplanet.com to order SSL certs though! Same product, just way cheaper! RapidSSL certs for $15/yr or quickssl for $50 http://www.theplanet.com/dedicated-servers/hosting-products/ssl-domains/ -Tom On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > Try rapidssl.com - I think they're around $60/year, but they're > signed by Equifax directly rather than the junk that CAs like > GoDaddy make you go through. > > Their certs are also trusted by default on Palm OS and Windows > Mobile (v5+ it seems). Not all CAs have their root certs on mobile > platforms. > > Jonathan Bailey > Marshall County, Iowa > 1 E Main St, Marshalltown, IA 50158 > P: 641-844-2804 / C: 515-988-1021 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan C. Smith" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 2:14:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada > Central > Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs > > > I used to get $30 or so SSL certs at instant SSL or someplace like > that. All I wanted to do was have an SSL cert that the common > browsers wouldn't throw a fit about. It seems the price of SSL > certs has gone up and instant SSL is now pwned by Comodo. > > So what are you using for inexpensive SSL certs? > > -Nate > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From david at bierce.org Mon Sep 8 14:39:24 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Mon Sep 8 14:39:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs In-Reply-To: References: <22944327.26311220901613251.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: When I'm not mandated to throw money Thawt's SuperCert? I usually byy them from the scantly clad GoDaddy. For 29.99 for a single year cert. Dave On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Tom Pohl wrote: > Go through theplanet.com to order SSL certs though! Same product, > just way cheaper! > > RapidSSL certs for $15/yr or quickssl for $50 > > http://www.theplanet.com/dedicated-servers/hosting-products/ssl-domains/ > > -Tom > > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > >> Try rapidssl.com - I think they're around $60/year, but they're >> signed by Equifax directly rather than the junk that CAs like >> GoDaddy make you go through. >> >> Their certs are also trusted by default on Palm OS and Windows >> Mobile (v5+ it seems). Not all CAs have their root certs on mobile >> platforms. >> >> Jonathan Bailey >> Marshall County, Iowa >> 1 E Main St, Marshalltown, IA 50158 >> P: 641-844-2804 / C: 515-988-1021 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nathan C. Smith" >> To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" >> Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 2:14:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> Central >> Subject: [Cialug] Inexpensive SSL certs >> >> >> I used to get $30 or so SSL certs at instant SSL or someplace like >> that. All I wanted to do was have an SSL cert that the common >> browsers wouldn't throw a fit about. It seems the price of SSL >> certs has gone up and instant SSL is now pwned by Comodo. >> >> So what are you using for inexpensive SSL certs? >> >> -Nate >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From timchampion at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 15:06:51 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Mon Sep 8 15:07:16 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Linux on an XBox In-Reply-To: <48C4ED64.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48C2E12B0200002E0002A35A@alliancetechnologies.net> <935ead450809061809j7399be7al524c38ba46992617@mail.gmail.com> <7aa1cdb20809071207p24a9ab0dsa780c1cc55aaf923@mail.gmail.com> <48C4ED64.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20809081306m266dc25fy723d88c84bdbf9fc@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, my wife is a bride's maid in a wedding that day, and I have to be Mr mom that day. I might have a break around the lunch hour to stop by for a bit, but I'm not really sure about that. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Josh More wrote: > Tim, > > Will you be at the Software Freedom Day? If so, could you bring the > stuff needed to hack the box? > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > > > >>> "Tim Champion" 09/07/08 2:07 PM >>> > I think the mechinstaller hack uses the same vulnerability, but I have > successfully used the 007:Agent Under Fire saved game that launches > EvolutionX - which then give you FTP access to your xbox. I still > have the > saved game, and the game disk if you want to give it a shot. And yes, > my > xbox is currently running DSL. > http://12.216.52.180/ > > I'm sure it was an earlier xbox, but its worth a try. > > Tim Champion > timchampion@gmail.com > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > > > > The hardware I wish to convert is an Xbox model 1.6. > > > > Not that I'll be there anyway, but it looks like trying to get Linux > > running on a v1.6 xbox is difficult/impossible: > > > > http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Version_1.6_Warning > > > > -- > > Jeff Ollie > > > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. > Then > > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > > them? 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There are some signs for a Tractor convention there as well. If you're coming from the other direction, then skip ALL the exits and keep driving until the lanes go from 4 lanes to 2. It should be the second right after that. I am still developing the agenda for our first meeting, but here are some of the things we're going to discuss: - What day really works best for meeting? (if you can't make the first one, you can email me your votes!) - Figure out what domain name our group should have - Decide on what Python web framework to use to create said site (which will be a group project) - Try to come up with what format we want our meetings to take. Plone and Zope users are welcome. In fact, anyone who is interested in Python (regardless of their experience with it) is welcome to come. Let your Iowan Python friends know. Questions or ideas? Send them to me. Thanks! ------------------- Mike Driscoll Blog: http://blog.pythonlibrary.org Python Extension Building Network: http://www.pythonlibrary.org From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 09:03:47 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Sep 9 09:04:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Passing on an announcement - Python Users Group In-Reply-To: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Josh More wrote: > > Location: Marshall County Sheriff's Office, 3rd floor (Ok, I'll be the first.) Is this a setup by the Ruby group to rid central Iowa of Python developers? Colin From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Tue Sep 9 09:08:49 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Tue Sep 9 09:09:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Passing on an announcement - Python Users Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33362581.3311220969329811.JavaMail.root@zimbra> I don't think so... :-D Would you rather have it at/in the jail? Mike works with me, BTW.. -Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Burnett" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 9:03:47 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Cialug] Passing on an announcement - Python Users Group On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Josh More wrote: > > Location: Marshall County Sheriff's Office, 3rd floor (Ok, I'll be the first.) Is this a setup by the Ruby group to rid central Iowa of Python developers? Colin _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From nightwingbatcave99 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 10:22:16 2008 From: nightwingbatcave99 at yahoo.com (Travis Schmidt) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:22:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox In-Reply-To: <48C50747.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <12229.39795.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> where will the meeting be again for free software day? --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Josh More wrote: From: Josh More Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:14 AM We have a guy who wants to come to Software Freedom Day and get Linux installed on his XBox 1.6 following these steps: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-softmod-your-xbox...for-FREE/?ALLSTEPS Does anyone want to help him turn his gaming system into an expensive brick, or should I tell him not to bother coming? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080909/69ebc6ac/attachment.htm From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Sep 9 10:52:57 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:53:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox In-Reply-To: <12229.39795.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <12229.39795.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C69BD9.7010504@visionary.com> Here's the info page for SFD: http://www.cialug.org/component/option,com_eventlist/Itemid,29/func,details/did,13/ -dc Travis Schmidt wrote: > where will the meeting be again for free software day? > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Josh More wrote: > > From: Josh More > Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:14 AM > > We have a guy who wants to come to Software Freedom Day and get Linux > installed on his XBox 1.6 following these steps: > http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-softmod-your-xbox...for-FREE/?ALLSTEPS > > Does anyone want to help him turn his gaming system into an expensive > brick, or should I tell him not to bother coming? > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From davidbody at bigcreek.com Tue Sep 9 12:55:23 2008 From: davidbody at bigcreek.com (David W. Body) Date: Tue Sep 9 12:55:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Passing on an announcement - Python Users Group In-Reply-To: References: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> On Sep 9, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Josh More > wrote: >> >> Location: Marshall County Sheriff's Office, 3rd floor > > (Ok, I'll be the first.) > > Is this a setup by the Ruby group to rid central Iowa of Python > developers? It is rather suspicious, isn't it? But the truth is we love Python developers and they are always welcome at our meetings. In fact, we'd like to invite all Python developers (and anyone else who might be interested) to attend our meeting on Thursday (9/11) this week. Cassie Schmitz from Iowa Interactive will be talking about RSpec. Details are available at http://www.iowaruby.org/. --David From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Sep 10 10:23:31 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed Sep 10 10:24:30 2008 Subject: [Cialug] VUG meeting tonight Message-ID: <48C7A0230200002E0002A5B5@alliancetechnologies.net> As a reminder the VUG meeting tonight is NOT at Alliance. Instead, we're taking a field trip to The Right Stuf in Grimes. The topic will be a demonstration of Virtual Iron and discussion of alternate (non VMWare/Basic Xen) virtualization technologies. Due to the very few people that RSVPed, we will have pizza after the meeting instead of during it. Rich has offered to take us all to Old Chicago after the meeting for pizzas (you're on your own for the beer, he's not make of money you know ;) Right Stuf is located here: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=512+n+main+street+in+grimes,+ia&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&z=16&iwloc=addr For those who don't want to click a link, here are some general directions: Take 141 north from 35/80. Get off at the main grimes exit, the actual one with a real on/off ramp. Go west into Grimes. Turn right/north onto main. They're on the left/ west side, park in gravel lot of front of building. Guest entrance is one with glass doors. (The LUG was copied due to some cross-group interest in Virtual Iron, the regular LUG meeting is next week as planned.) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From theron.conrey at dice.com Wed Sep 10 18:05:11 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed Sep 10 18:05:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Assistance. In-Reply-To: <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> References: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814A7@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> I got an email today from a guy in Dallas: ****************************************************** Hello Mr. Conrey, I got your name from the Central Iowa LUG web site. I am a Linux enthusiast from the Dallas area. I have set up an Ubuntu system for my in-laws in Perry, Iowa. My dad-in-law is having email trouble with his computer. He also does not install updates. I'm not sure what is going on but I will probably not get up there until Christmas. I need someone to go to his house and check what is wrong. I'm willing to pay an hourly rate. Is there someone from your LUG that you can recommend? Obviously it would help a lot if they are near Perry. Thanks for your consideration, Ed Leach ******************************************************* I'm leaving this weekend for a week or I'd head up there myself. So, is anyone in or around perry who would be willing to assist? Karma points if you don't charge this guy money. However if you're flush with Karma have at it. I'll run as the middleman so we don't flood this guy with email, so please let me know via the list who can help. Thanks, Theron From cmlburnett at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 22:45:01 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Wed Sep 10 22:45:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC Message-ID: I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? Colin From david at bierce.org Wed Sep 10 23:04:06 2008 From: david at bierce.org (David Bierce) Date: Wed Sep 10 23:04:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.sos.state.ia.us/business/llc.html Usually it is: Operation Agreement Distinguishable company name Filing Organization papers with the state Aside from a few filing fees it shouldn't be too difficult. There are quite a few law firms that have cookies cutter LLC documents all ready for like 50 bucks or less. Dave On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who > it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? > > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From djweis at internetsolver.com Thu Sep 11 06:04:10 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Thu Sep 11 06:04:32 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Colin Burnett wrote: > I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who > it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? Depending on why you are forming it an S or C corporation may be a better idea. The biggest benefit is that the owner's health insurance was completely deductible as opposed to an LLC. Another benefit is that when you are getting a loan of any kind you can say you are an employee of a company and you will get a lot less questioning than if you tell them you own your own company. That's a bit of free advice that I learned the painful way :-) dave -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From eric at eric.nu Thu Sep 11 09:01:12 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Thu Sep 11 09:01:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Assistance. In-Reply-To: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814A7@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> References: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814A7@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: <48C924A8.4050905@eric.nu> Maybe the son could help his dad over SSH or VNC over SSH? The son could create a script to set create the tunnels, start VNC, etc. and then have the dad: lynx -dump http://www.foo.com/vnc.sh | sh Eric Theron Conrey wrote: > I got an email today from a guy in Dallas: > > ****************************************************** > > Hello Mr. Conrey, > > I got your name from the Central Iowa LUG web site. > > I am a Linux enthusiast from the Dallas area. I have set up an Ubuntu system for my in-laws in Perry, Iowa. My dad-in-law is having email trouble with his computer. He also does not install updates. I'm not sure what is going on but I will probably not get up there until Christmas. > > I need someone to go to his house and check what is wrong. I'm willing to pay an hourly rate. Is there someone from your LUG that you can recommend? Obviously it would help a lot if they are near Perry. > > Thanks for your consideration, > > Ed Leach > > ******************************************************* > > > I'm leaving this weekend for a week or I'd head up there myself. So, is anyone in or around perry who would be willing to assist? Karma points if you don't charge this guy money. However if you're flush with Karma have at it. I'll run as the middleman so we don't flood this guy with email, so please let me know via the list who can help. > > > Thanks, > Theron > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From kyounger at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 12:49:51 2008 From: kyounger at gmail.com (Kenneth Younger) Date: Thu Sep 11 12:50:22 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cf2fb6b0809111049q69ac8c74u35bb0127303575bd@mail.gmail.com> Lately and generally, S corps are the best method for setting up small companies. They have all the advantages of a C corp, without having the double-taxation issue. Generally, the only restriction is on the number of employees you can have - and the last time I remember discussing this with my Accounting prof, that maximum was like 50 - 75 or so. There are all sorts of fun schemes you can set up for paying yourself from the company, things like dividends (which are taxed at a lower rate - sometimes). If you are good friends with any accountants or lawyers that deal with these types of things, they would be the best to talk to. The only downside it generally provides is around tax time - filing taxes when you set up these crazy structures can become baffling, usually requiring a tax accountant to help. -Kenny On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Colin Burnett wrote: >> >> I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who >> it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? > > Depending on why you are forming it an S or C corporation may be a better > idea. The biggest benefit is that the owner's health insurance was > completely deductible as opposed to an LLC. > > Another benefit is that when you are getting a loan of any kind you can say > you are an employee of a company and you will get a lot less questioning > than if you tell them you own your own company. That's a bit of free advice > that I learned the painful way :-) > > dave > > > > -- > Dave Weis > djweis@internetsolver.com > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From bjbuelow at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 12:52:22 2008 From: bjbuelow at yahoo.com (Barry Buelow) Date: Thu Sep 11 12:52:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] RE: LLC Message-ID: <193370.18805.qm@web38804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? There are good reasons for doing LLC vs. subchapter S vs..... Unless the cookie cutter forms are specific to Iowa, I would speak with a attorney. ? Another very serious consideration is insurance.? Iowa requires Workman's Comp and as an "owner" or "director" you may not be covered by the WC, yet you get to pay for it.? The rate is based on how much $ you will make.? You say "$50K" and they say, "fine.? Pay me $x for a years worth."?? You'll want to pick a modest expected income and adjust part way though the year.? Another good topic for an attorney or biz insurance agent.? ? If you plan to just hang out a shingle and do biz with the public, that is one thing.? But to contract for big companies like Deere or ?, they have professional contract folks and require liabiity insurance, etc.? It gets ugly fast.? ? Don't think of an LLC as a weekend task.? Think of it in a larger sense and plan to spend a month or two of homework before you decide which path to select. ? I have my own small biz and I do safety analysis for aircraft.? When the insurance company reads "air" they stop reading and just say "no" (thanks omitted).? So I work through a larger contract house that handles all the contract terms and insurance on a larger scale.? It does cost me $ in what I'm not getting, but there isn't an easy way around it.? ? Go drop $100 on an attorney and then see what you think. ? (the other) Barry From dave at 58ghz.net Thu Sep 11 13:00:25 2008 From: dave at 58ghz.net (Dave J. Hala Jr.) Date: Thu Sep 11 13:00:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <3cf2fb6b0809111049q69ac8c74u35bb0127303575bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cf2fb6b0809111049q69ac8c74u35bb0127303575bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221156025.5773.114.camel@rhel5> Generally speaking, you can use some boiler plate forms to make the S-corp filing or just pay an attorney. The tax thing is a pain. I don't mess with it, I just pay the accountant to handle the payroll and taxes. Its money well spent. Its generally not that expensive either. I don't need that headache. The question you want to ask yourself is: Should I spend my time making money or doing taxes? :) Dave On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 12:49 -0500, Kenneth Younger wrote: > Lately and generally, S corps are the best method for setting up small > companies. They have all the advantages of a C corp, without having > the double-taxation issue. Generally, the only restriction is on the > number of employees you can have - and the last time I remember > discussing this with my Accounting prof, that maximum was like 50 - 75 > or so. > > There are all sorts of fun schemes you can set up for paying yourself > from the company, things like dividends (which are taxed at a lower > rate - sometimes). If you are good friends with any accountants or > lawyers that deal with these types of things, they would be the best > to talk to. > > The only downside it generally provides is around tax time - filing > taxes when you set up these crazy structures can become baffling, > usually requiring a tax accountant to help. > > -Kenny > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Dave Weis wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Colin Burnett wrote: > >> > >> I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who > >> it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? > > > > Depending on why you are forming it an S or C corporation may be a better > > idea. The biggest benefit is that the owner's health insurance was > > completely deductible as opposed to an LLC. > > > > Another benefit is that when you are getting a loan of any kind you can say > > you are an employee of a company and you will get a lot less questioning > > than if you tell them you own your own company. That's a bit of free advice > > that I learned the painful way :-) > > > > dave > > > > > > > > -- > > Dave Weis > > djweis@internetsolver.com > > http://www.internetsolver.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -- ___ Dave J. Hala Jr. President OSIS, Inc. www.osis.us From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 11 13:57:11 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 11 13:57:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server Message-ID: Hi, I'm conceiving an application that would like to use a centralized postgres database. For my idea to work best it would be nice if the application could make a connection to the postgres server on demand without the user having to do anything. Yet I really don't want to put the database wide open to the web. So its a conundrum. I have an idea I know would work but is has a challenge: Use an SSH tunnel. But for this to work, the user would have to create an SSH key without a password and keep in on their computer. If someone else found this key then they'd have shell access to the machine used to tunnel the postgres connections. (the reason for no ssh password is so that the application could initiate the ssh connection automatically) Does anyone have a suggestion? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From chapinjeff at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 13:58:49 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:03:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C96A69.8030304@gmail.com> I have had success in the past using the Single purpose keys as described on this page:http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ Basically, you make a key that is ONLY authorized to run one command (a script) and you put your tunneling code in that script. Jeff Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Hi, I'm conceiving an application that would like to use a centralized > postgres database. For my idea to work best it would be nice if the > application could make a connection to the postgres server on demand > without the user having to do anything. Yet I really don't want to put > the database wide open to the web. So its a conundrum. > > I have an idea I know would work but is has a challenge: Use an SSH > tunnel. But for this to work, the user would have to create an SSH key > without a password and keep in on their computer. If someone else > found this key then they'd have shell access to the machine used to > tunnel the postgres connections. (the reason for no ssh password is so > that the application could initiate the ssh connection automatically) > > Does anyone have a suggestion? > > From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Thu Sep 11 14:08:32 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:08:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server In-Reply-To: <48C96A69.8030304@gmail.com> References: <48C96A69.8030304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809111408.32681.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> I'll second this. I use single purpose keys at home for a simple rsync-over-ssh backup strategy, and at work for accounts between servers that need to send files to each other but nothing else. On Thursday September 11 2008 13:58, Jeff Chapin wrote: >I have had success in the past using the Single purpose keys as >described on this page:http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ > >Basically, you make a key that is ONLY authorized to run one command > (a script) and you put your tunneling code in that script. > > >Jeff > >Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> Hi, I'm conceiving an application that would like to use a >> centralized postgres database. For my idea to work best it would be >> nice if the application could make a connection to the postgres >> server on demand without the user having to do anything. Yet I >> really don't want to put the database wide open to the web. So its a >> conundrum. >> >> I have an idea I know would work but is has a challenge: Use an SSH >> tunnel. But for this to work, the user would have to create an SSH >> key without a password and keep in on their computer. If someone >> else found this key then they'd have shell access to the machine >> used to tunnel the postgres connections. (the reason for no ssh >> password is so that the application could initiate the ssh >> connection automatically) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 11 14:10:14 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:10:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you looked at the open hashing technology? Not sure if you would use that instead of Postres or use a variation on the system fro your application. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:57 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server > > Hi, I'm conceiving an application that would like to use a > centralized postgres database. For my idea to work best it > would be nice if the application could make a connection to > the postgres server on demand without the user having to do > anything. Yet I really don't want to put the database wide > open to the web. So its a conundrum. > > I have an idea I know would work but is has a challenge: Use > an SSH tunnel. But for this to work, the user would have to > create an SSH key without a password and keep in on their > computer. If someone else found this key then they'd have > shell access to the machine used to tunnel the postgres > connections. (the reason for no ssh password is so that the > application could initiate the ssh connection automatically) > > Does anyone have a suggestion? > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From jeff at ocjtech.us Thu Sep 11 14:10:21 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:10:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <935ead450809111210i2e31ff41rc3a0959746d6733f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Hi, I'm conceiving an application that would like to use a centralized > postgres database. For my idea to work best it would be nice if the > application could make a connection to the postgres server on demand > without the user having to do anything. Yet I really don't want to put > the database wide open to the web. So its a conundrum. Have you looked into using client-side SSL certificates to authenticate the connections? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/ssl-tcp.html -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From davidbody at bigcreek.com Thu Sep 11 14:39:26 2008 From: davidbody at bigcreek.com (David W. Body) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:39:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who > it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? Hire a business attorney. Seriously, don't try to do something like this yourself. From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 11 14:58:21 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 11 14:58:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server In-Reply-To: <48C96A69.8030304@gmail.com> References: <48C96A69.8030304@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > I have had success in the past using the Single purpose keys as described on > this page:http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ > > Basically, you make a key that is ONLY authorized to run one command (a > script) and you put your tunneling code in that script. Neat idea, but I think I'm doing it wrong... following the example when I use this I just get a shell prompt. Here's what I'm doing, am I missing something? command="echo I\'m `/usr/bin/whoami` on `/bin/hostname`",no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding ssh-dss AAAA...se1Ag== matt@single-purpose-key ssh -i ~/.ssh/whoisit hostname Thanks for the ssl idea too Jeff, I will try that and it sounds like it may be the best option since it's the most straightforward. I've just never done it before so it will be a learning experience. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From doncady at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 14:59:41 2008 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Thu Sep 11 15:00:05 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Assistance. In-Reply-To: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814A7@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> References: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814A7@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: Would it be asking too much to ask if the father-in-law could come down to SFF/Installfest? ...of course if the email trouble is with the ISP, that might be difficult to work with from Dsm. thoughts? Don On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Theron Conrey wrote: > I got an email today from a guy in Dallas: > > ****************************************************** > > Hello Mr. Conrey, > > I got your name from the Central Iowa LUG web site. > > I am a Linux enthusiast from the Dallas area. I have set up an Ubuntu system for my in-laws in Perry, Iowa. My dad-in-law is having email trouble with his computer. He also does not install updates. I'm not sure what is going on but I will probably not get up there until Christmas. > > I need someone to go to his house and check what is wrong. I'm willing to pay an hourly rate. Is there someone from your LUG that you can recommend? Obviously it would help a lot if they are near Perry. > > Thanks for your consideration, > > Ed Leach > > ******************************************************* > > > I'm leaving this weekend for a week or I'd head up there myself. So, is anyone in or around perry who would be willing to assist? Karma points if you don't charge this guy money. However if you're flush with Karma have at it. I'll run as the middleman so we don't flood this guy with email, so please let me know via the list who can help. > > > Thanks, > Theron From gray at cs.uni.edu Thu Sep 11 15:35:27 2008 From: gray at cs.uni.edu (Paul Gray) Date: Thu Sep 11 15:36:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] hiding a publicly accessible database server In-Reply-To: <935ead450809111210i2e31ff41rc3a0959746d6733f@mail.gmail.com> References: <935ead450809111210i2e31ff41rc3a0959746d6733f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C9810F.4070308@cs.uni.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Hi, I'm conceiving an application that would like to use a centralized > postgres database. For my idea to work best it would be nice if the > application could make a connection to the postgres server on demand > without the user having to do anything. Yet I really don't want to put > the database wide open to the web. So its a conundrum. It seems like stunnel with certificate authentication for the client would be another viable, easy-to-implement approach. - -- Paul Gray 314 East Gym, Dept. of Computer Science -o) University of Northern Iowa /\\ Supercomputing 2008 Education Program Chair _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one says, "Hey, I can't read that ASCII attachment ya sent me." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjJgQ8ACgkQOH45TZW7mh7y2ACgqELbNCF70lWD6hYcYeueyUFu 5CsAoOicHYKCc8Vo7nS2bNTCsjiWKnu1 =9U8y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aaron.korver at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 17:21:37 2008 From: aaron.korver at gmail.com (Aaron Korver) Date: Thu Sep 11 17:22:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Huzzah for the Sole Proprietorship!! On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:39 PM, David W. Body wrote: > On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > > I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who >> it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? >> > > Hire a business attorney. Seriously, don't try to do something like this > yourself. > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080911/18d13d2c/attachment.html From tony at tonybibbs.com Thu Sep 11 19:20:55 2008 From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs) Date: Thu Sep 11 19:21:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC Message-ID: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be the dissenting voice here. If all you need is an LLC it's not rocket science. Picking the right corporate structure is the hardest part. LLC's and SCORP's are things you can generally manage on your own with the help from a good accountant. Hiring an attorney for an LLC is a waste of hard earned money. For an SCORP it is a bit more justifiable but I really feel the key is a good accountant. Unlike attorneys accountants can often save you money in the long term to cover the cost of their work. --Tony ----- Original Message ---- From: David W. Body To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:39:26 PM Subject: Re: [Cialug] Starting an LLC On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Colin Burnett wrote: > I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who > it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? Hire a business attorney. Seriously, don't try to do something like this yourself. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Thu Sep 11 19:39:09 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Thu Sep 11 19:39:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c9146f$f8b49780$6401a8c0@toshibauser> -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Burnett Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:45 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC I remember this coming up at a recent meeting but I don't remember who it was. What do you need to do to start an LLC? Colin _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug 1. An accountant 2. A lawyer and/or an attorney who knows what to do with a startup 3. NEVER!! Have relatives work for you or make any of them a partner in the Business. I made one brother a manager and the other VP, but this was long after the business was started. If I would have done all this from the start things may have turned out differently. The brother that was the manager and his girl friend decided to run things the way they wanted to. To make a long story short, they got the money, I got the bills, and lost my house and business in the process. -dh From zach at kotlarek.com Thu Sep 11 20:17:49 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Thu Sep 11 20:18:15 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Tony Bibbs wrote: > I'll be the dissenting voice here. If all you need is an LLC it's > not rocket science. Picking the right corporate structure is the > hardest part. LLC's and SCORP's are things you can generally manage > on your own with the help from a good accountant. Hiring an > attorney for an LLC is a waste of hard earned money. For an SCORP > it is a bit more justifiable but I really feel the key is a good > accountant. Unlike attorneys accountants can often save you money > in the long term to cover the cost of their work. I agree. Lawyers are useful, but hiring one handle the formation of a LLC is like hiring one to file your vehicle registration. Read the relevant statues and instructions, be sure you understand them, then file the paperwork and be done with it. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080911/f5fa6323/smime.bin From djweis at internetsolver.com Thu Sep 11 20:23:16 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Thu Sep 11 20:23:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> References: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <48C9C484.7000404@internetsolver.com> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > > On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Tony Bibbs wrote: > >> I'll be the dissenting voice here. If all you need is an LLC it's not >> rocket science. Picking the right corporate structure is the hardest >> part. LLC's and SCORP's are things you can generally manage on your >> own with the help from a good accountant. Hiring an attorney for an >> LLC is a waste of hard earned money. For an SCORP it is a bit more >> justifiable but I really feel the key is a good accountant. Unlike >> attorneys accountants can often save you money in the long term to >> cover the cost of their work. > > > I agree. Lawyers are useful, but hiring one handle the formation of a > LLC is like hiring one to file your vehicle registration. Read the > relevant statues and instructions, be sure you understand them, then > file the paperwork and be done with it. I filed my LLC myself, it was kicked by because the document was missing things they wanted. It was the sample from the secretary of state's web site. :-) I've gotten books from nolo.com that cover these things. They also have a bunch of generally interesting books. dave -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From lister at kulish.com Thu Sep 11 21:35:01 2008 From: lister at kulish.com (Chris K.) Date: Thu Sep 11 22:42:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <48C9C484.7000404@internetsolver.com> References: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> <48C9C484.7000404@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <48C9D555.5060003@kulish.com> Find someone that has created an LLC before. That is what I did and I've created 2 successfully at this point. Dave Weis wrote: > Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >> >> On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Tony Bibbs wrote: >> >>> I'll be the dissenting voice here. If all you need is an LLC it's >>> not rocket science. Picking the right corporate structure is the >>> hardest part. LLC's and SCORP's are things you can generally manage >>> on your own with the help from a good accountant. Hiring an >>> attorney for an LLC is a waste of hard earned money. For an SCORP >>> it is a bit more justifiable but I really feel the key is a good >>> accountant. Unlike attorneys accountants can often save you money >>> in the long term to cover the cost of their work. >> >> >> I agree. Lawyers are useful, but hiring one handle the formation of a >> LLC is like hiring one to file your vehicle registration. Read the >> relevant statues and instructions, be sure you understand them, then >> file the paperwork and be done with it. > > I filed my LLC myself, it was kicked by because the document was > missing things they wanted. It was the sample from the secretary of > state's web site. :-) > > I've gotten books from nolo.com that cover these things. They also > have a bunch of generally interesting books. > > dave > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM > > From djweis at internetsolver.com Fri Sep 12 05:29:12 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Fri Sep 12 05:29:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <48C9D555.5060003@kulish.com> References: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> <48C9C484.7000404@internetsolver.com> <48C9D555.5060003@kulish.com> Message-ID: <48CA4478.1010708@internetsolver.com> Chris K. wrote: > Find someone that has created an LLC before. That is what I did and > I've created 2 successfully at this point. Was it successful if you had to make 2? :-) -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Sep 12 09:44:23 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Sep 12 09:45:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <48CA4478.1010708@internetsolver.com> References: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> <48C9C484.7000404@internetsolver.com> <48C9D555.5060003@kulish.com> <48CA4478.1010708@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: Brook's law of software: Build two and plan to throw the first one away. > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Weis > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:29 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Starting an LLC > > Chris K. wrote: > > Find someone that has created an LLC before. That is what I did and > > I've created 2 successfully at this point. > > Was it successful if you had to make 2? :-) > > -- > Dave Weis > Internet Solver > Your Technology Partner > 515-224-9229 > www.internetsolver.com > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From theron.conrey at dice.com Fri Sep 12 10:21:31 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Fri Sep 12 10:22:02 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Request for Assistance. In-Reply-To: References: <48C6374D0200002E0002A4E9@alliancetechnologies.net> <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814A7@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE814AE@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Ed is looking to get someone onsite to assist. He's willing to pay an hourly rate to get his dad's ubuntu box working again. There may not even be anything wrong with it other thunderbird isn't configured properly. I'm assuming that because he wants to get it fixed quickly and have someone show up to do it, getting his dad down to either an installfest or a lug meeting is not happening. The ideas are good that are coming in, however, his dad is without a working system atm. Again, the work looks to be at most an hour, and he's willing to pay if someone would go up and do this. If no one is interested, that's fine too, I'm going to send him an email tonight before I unplug. -Theron -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Don Cady Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:00 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Request for Assistance. Would it be asking too much to ask if the father-in-law could come down to SFF/Installfest? ...of course if the email trouble is with the ISP, that might be difficult to work with from Dsm. thoughts? Don On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Theron Conrey wrote: > I got an email today from a guy in Dallas: > > ****************************************************** > > Hello Mr. Conrey, > > I got your name from the Central Iowa LUG web site. > > I am a Linux enthusiast from the Dallas area. I have set up an Ubuntu system for my in-laws in Perry, Iowa. My dad-in-law is having email trouble with his computer. He also does not install updates. I'm not sure what is going on but I will probably not get up there until Christmas. > > I need someone to go to his house and check what is wrong. I'm willing to pay an hourly rate. Is there someone from your LUG that you can recommend? Obviously it would help a lot if they are near Perry. > > Thanks for your consideration, > > Ed Leach > > ******************************************************* > > > I'm leaving this weekend for a week or I'd head up there myself. So, is anyone in or around perry who would be willing to assist? Karma points if you don't charge this guy money. However if you're flush with Karma have at it. I'll run as the middleman so we don't flood this guy with email, so please let me know via the list who can help. > > > Thanks, > Theron _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Fri Sep 12 22:38:35 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Fri Sep 12 22:39:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a Linux presenter Message-ID: <21142925.6431221277115883.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Everyone- I'm looking for someone (or multiple people) that would be interested in giving a presentation regarding Linux to a group of county IT people that seem scared off by what some of the more advanced counties are doing. We're looking for someone that can do this at our ICIT (www.icit.state.ia.us) mid-year conference in WDM June of this coming year. Someone who doesn't scare the "not a guru" level of admin. Thanks! -Jon From barry at vonahsen.com Sat Sep 13 12:15:53 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:16:27 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a Linux presenter In-Reply-To: <21142925.6431221277115883.JavaMail.root@zimbra> References: <21142925.6431221277115883.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: <48CBF549.5010603@vonahsen.com> what level of presentation are you looking for? low level intro to linux or more business/cost advantage type presentations? -barry Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > Everyone- > > I'm looking for someone (or multiple people) that would be interested in giving a presentation regarding Linux to a group of county IT people that seem scared off by what some of the more advanced counties are doing. > > We're looking for someone that can do this at our ICIT (www.icit.state.ia.us) mid-year conference in WDM June of this coming year. Someone who doesn't scare the "not a guru" level of admin. > > Thanks! > > -Jon > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Sat Sep 13 12:56:55 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Sat Sep 13 12:57:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Looking for a Linux presenter In-Reply-To: <48CBF549.5010603@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <24943721.6841221328615113.JavaMail.root@zimbra> We're looking for a presentation for one man IT departments who currently manage Windows systems and consider Linux a scary beast that you need a team of gurus to manage. I think most IT people of any sort have an idea on what Linux *is* these days, but I don't think they realize what it can do for them. -Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Von Ahsen" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:15:53 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Cialug] Looking for a Linux presenter what level of presentation are you looking for? low level intro to linux or more business/cost advantage type presentations? -barry Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > Everyone- > > I'm looking for someone (or multiple people) that would be interested in giving a presentation regarding Linux to a group of county IT people that seem scared off by what some of the more advanced counties are doing. > > We're looking for someone that can do this at our ICIT (www.icit.state.ia.us) mid-year conference in WDM June of this coming year. Someone who doesn't scare the "not a guru" level of admin. > > Thanks! > > -Jon > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From bjbuelow at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 17:23:36 2008 From: bjbuelow at yahoo.com (Barry Buelow) Date: Sat Sep 13 17:24:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Starting an LLC (Chris K.) Message-ID: <601264.72588.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The LLC or S Corp is done to limit personal exposure. It is risk mitigation. You can perform services personally or via a LLC or other. The existence of the corp provides little or nothing, unless you go to a bank or insurance company. The judgment on success will have to wait until you end up in court. >Find someone that has created an LLC before. That is what I did and >I've created 2 successfully at this point. (other) Barry From chapinjeff at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 21:30:54 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Sat Sep 13 21:31:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox In-Reply-To: <48C69BD9.7010504@visionary.com> References: <12229.39795.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C69BD9.7010504@visionary.com> Message-ID: I recently picked up a slightly defective xbox (wont read DVDS, will read CDs) at a garage sale cheap, that I am interested in installing Linux on ( looking at a mythtv frontend). I have not played with xboxes much, and it appears that the number of mod chips is pretty high. Anyone have any experience with the modification of an xbox? Or perhaps have the game/memory card needed to do a softmod? Odds are I will not be able to make the software freedom day event, but would be interesting in buying/renting the needed supplies and all advice on hardware I can get. Thanks, Jeff On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, David Champion wrote: > Here's the info page for SFD: > > > http://www.cialug.org/component/option,com_eventlist/Itemid,29/func,details/did,13/ > > -dc > > Travis Schmidt wrote: > >> where will the meeting be again for free software day? >> >> --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Josh More wrote: >> >> From: Josh More >> Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox >> To: cialug@cialug.org >> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:14 AM >> >> We have a guy who wants to come to Software Freedom Day and get Linux >> installed on his XBox 1.6 following these steps: >> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-softmod-your-xbox...for-FREE/?ALLSTEPS >> >> Does anyone want to help him turn his gaming system into an expensive >> brick, or should I tell him not to bother coming? >> >> >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080913/58ed6323/attachment.html From timchampion at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 22:29:22 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Sat Sep 13 22:29:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox In-Reply-To: References: <12229.39795.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C69BD9.7010504@visionary.com> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20809132029v56fe62f6oa657c29e4f7ccd15@mail.gmail.com> As I mentioned before, I have an xbox running linux. I have all the right stuff to do it as long as it isn't the newer firmware. I guess if it won't read DVDs, I don't think it'll work since the games are DVDs. http://12.216.52.180/ Its a no-mod, no open hack. You load a hacked saved game (game is 007:Agent Under Fire - which I have) that fires up a app called Evolution X that give you FTP access to your xbox. I'll see if I can at least drop some stuff off on the software freedom event, but I can't be there. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > I recently picked up a slightly defective xbox (wont read DVDS, will read > CDs) at a garage sale cheap, that I am interested in installing Linux on ( > looking at a mythtv frontend). > > I have not played with xboxes much, and it appears that the number of mod > chips is pretty high. > > Anyone have any experience with the modification of an xbox? Or perhaps > have the game/memory card needed to do a softmod? > > Odds are I will not be able to make the software freedom day event, but > would be interesting in buying/renting the needed supplies and all advice on > hardware I can get. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, David Champion wrote: > >> Here's the info page for SFD: >> >> >> http://www.cialug.org/component/option,com_eventlist/Itemid,29/func,details/did,13/ >> >> -dc >> >> Travis Schmidt wrote: >> >>> where will the meeting be again for free software day? >>> >>> --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Josh More wrote: >>> >>> From: Josh More >>> Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox >>> To: cialug@cialug.org >>> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:14 AM >>> >>> We have a guy who wants to come to Software Freedom Day and get Linux >>> installed on his XBox 1.6 following these steps: >>> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-softmod-your-xbox...for-FREE/?ALLSTEPS >>> >>> Does anyone want to help him turn his gaming system into an expensive >>> brick, or should I tell him not to bother coming? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080913/b467eaa8/attachment.htm From chapinjeff at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 22:37:24 2008 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Sat Sep 13 22:38:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20809132029v56fe62f6oa657c29e4f7ccd15@mail.gmail.com> References: <12229.39795.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48C69BD9.7010504@visionary.com> <7aa1cdb20809132029v56fe62f6oa657c29e4f7ccd15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CC86F4.2080909@gmail.com> I might end up seeing if we could arrange for you to mail it to me -- I live in CF and the odds that I can make it to the event are slim to none. There appears to be ways to get an IDE drive to work with an xbox -- it just does not fit inside the case, but I can make due to install off it. I am also still poking around on buying a new drive. Jeff Tim Champion wrote: > As I mentioned before, I have an xbox running linux. I have all the > right stuff to do it as long as it isn't the newer firmware. I guess > if it won't read DVDs, I don't think it'll work since the games are DVDs. > http://12.216.52.180/ > > Its a no-mod, no open hack. You load a hacked saved game (game is > 007:Agent Under Fire - which I have) that fires up a app called > Evolution X that give you FTP access to your xbox. I'll see if I can > at least drop some stuff off on the software freedom event, but I > can't be there. > > Tim Champion > timchampion@gmail.com > > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Jeff Chapin > wrote: > > I recently picked up a slightly defective xbox (wont read DVDS, > will read CDs) at a garage sale cheap, that I am interested in > installing Linux on ( looking at a mythtv frontend). > > I have not played with xboxes much, and it appears that the number > of mod chips is pretty high. > > Anyone have any experience with the modification of an xbox? Or > perhaps have the game/memory card needed to do a softmod? > > Odds are I will not be able to make the software freedom day > event, but would be interesting in buying/renting the needed > supplies and all advice on hardware I can get. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, David Champion > > wrote: > > Here's the info page for SFD: > > http://www.cialug.org/component/option,com_eventlist/Itemid,29/func,details/did,13/ > > -dc > > Travis Schmidt wrote: > > where will the meeting be again for free software day? > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Josh More > > wrote: > > From: Josh More > > Subject: [Cialug] More on the XBox > To: cialug@cialug.org > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:14 AM > > We have a guy who wants to come to Software Freedom Day > and get Linux > installed on his XBox 1.6 following these steps: > http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-softmod-your-xbox...for-FREE/?ALLSTEPS > > Does anyone want to help him turn his gaming system into > an expensive > brick, or should I tell him not to bother coming? > > > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From lister at kulish.com Sun Sep 14 09:08:52 2008 From: lister at kulish.com (Chris K.) Date: Sun Sep 14 09:09:15 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Starting an LLC In-Reply-To: <48CA4478.1010708@internetsolver.com> References: <452811.30023.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01334BE4-ED7F-4D0F-B3A3-527F12D209C2@kotlarek.com> <48C9C484.7000404@internetsolver.com> <48C9D555.5060003@kulish.com> <48CA4478.1010708@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <48CD1AF4.9060603@kulish.com> LOL... one was. The first was an interim effort to make some money while I was laid off. The other is still going strong. Even with gas prices, people still like going to races. Chris Dave Weis wrote: > Chris K. wrote: >> Find someone that has created an LLC before. That is what I did and >> I've created 2 successfully at this point. > > Was it successful if you had to make 2? :-) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM > > From barry at vonahsen.com Mon Sep 15 10:05:51 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:06:19 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup Message-ID: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> Saturday is SFD, who's in? at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market -barry From dchampion at visionary.com Mon Sep 15 10:09:17 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:09:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <48CE7A9D.70008@visionary.com> I'm still planning to be there, and can do a demo of Mandriva 2009 Beta w/ KDE 4.1. I was thinking it would be good to have people demo apps that people will be commonly interested in, like Open Office, GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus... I have used all of these, but wouldn't consider myself to be an expert (or even competent) in any of them. -dc Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Saturday is SFD, who's in? > > at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more > than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market > > > -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From kristau at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 10:26:33 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:26:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48CE7A9D.70008@visionary.com> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> <48CE7A9D.70008@visionary.com> Message-ID: <3effba680809150826q1d79ec1cjd49221d569a395b9@mail.gmail.com> I plan on joining you. I'm going to bring along an old workstation with a DVD burner in it in case we want to burn any disks. I'll try do download various ISO images to it ahead of time, too. -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From afan at afan.net Mon Sep 15 10:26:42 2008 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:28:21 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <48CE7EB2.7030504@afan.net> I plan to be there but I can't guarantee because still didn't get a permit from my wife. :-) -afan Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Saturday is SFD, who's in? > > at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more > than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market > > > -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Mon Sep 15 10:34:01 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Sep 15 10:34:27 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48CE7EB2.7030504@afan.net> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> <48CE7EB2.7030504@afan.net> Message-ID: <5a9568c20809150834y6ad4c272y16b4413679abed3a@mail.gmail.com> I think I'll be there. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote: > I plan to be there but I can't guarantee because still didn't get a > permit from my wife. > :-) > > -afan > > > Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > > Saturday is SFD, who's in? > > > > at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more > > than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market > > > > > > -barry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cialug mailing list > > Cialug@cialug.org > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He'll have to either fix or one of us will need to modify the PHP code to fail in a reasonable manner. Any coders want to fix a Joomla module? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> Afan Pasalic 09/15/08 10:35 AM >>> on cialug web site, on the right side, there is an error *Warning*: fsockopen(): unable to connect to crouse.us:80 in */var/www/cialug/html/modules/mod_jw_srfr/simplepie.inc* on line *2238 * Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Saturday is SFD, who's in? > > at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more > than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market > > > -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From barry at vonahsen.com Mon Sep 15 12:23:57 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Mon Sep 15 12:24:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <3effba680809150826q1d79ec1cjd49221d569a395b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> <48CE7A9D.70008@visionary.com> <3effba680809150826q1d79ec1cjd49221d569a395b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CE9A2D.4070105@vonahsen.com> kristau wrote: > I plan on joining you. I'm going to bring along an old workstation > with a DVD burner in it in case we want to burn any disks. I'll try > do download various ISO images to it ahead of time, too. > cool, I'm grabbing freebsd7-386, fedora-{i386,x64}-{DVD,isos}, centos5-{i386,x64}-{DVD,isos}, opensuse11-dvd and both live discs. I'll also grab various debian and ubuntu discs. we've got ~80 official 8.04 ubuntu discs, plus a few server discs, and I think 2 open discs and one openedu disc. I'll grab the isos for those too -barry From ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 10:57:36 2008 From: ralphkessel75 at yahoo.com (Ralph Kessel) Date: Tue Sep 16 10:58:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup Message-ID: <874204.29092.qm@web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm old and have a failing memory. Could you please repeat the location of this event. 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Could you please repeat the location of this event. > Thanks, > Ralph Kessel > > > Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > >> Saturday is SFD, who's in? >> >> at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more >> than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market >> >> >> -barry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Sep 16 12:33:00 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Sep 16 12:34:03 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 Message-ID: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> This is just a reminder that, as we do every month, we have a meeting tomorrow night. The topic is Virtualization, which is somewhat regrettable, as many of our members who actually use virtualization are out at VMWorld right now. However, we have to play the hand that fate has dealt us. Oh wait, we're the LUG, no we don't. I hereby extend the meeting to be about virtualization, the upcoming software freedom day, open source, linux issues, and the Plan 9 operating system. Once we've covered all those, we can go out for dinner. I hope to see you all here tomorrow night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 From cmlburnett at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 12:41:20 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Tue Sep 16 12:41:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: > I hereby extend the meeting to be about ... Plan 9 operating system. It's a year old but I just ran across a presentation by Rob Pike about Newsqueak and concurrency programming. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=810232012617965344&ei=z-7PSN6JMJD6-gG2pOHAAg&q=newsqueak (Connection being Pike was involved in creation of Plan 9.) Colin From nightwingbatcave99 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 15:38:16 2008 From: nightwingbatcave99 at yahoo.com (Travis Schmidt) Date: Tue Sep 16 15:38:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <161986.20164.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i have a church meeting and won't be able to make it...Travis --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Josh More wrote: From: Josh More Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:33 PM This is just a reminder that, as we do every month, we have a meeting tomorrow night. The topic is Virtualization, which is somewhat regrettable, as many of our members who actually use virtualization are out at VMWorld right now. However, we have to play the hand that fate has dealt us. Oh wait, we're the LUG, no we don't. I hereby extend the meeting to be about virtualization, the upcoming software freedom day, open source, linux issues, and the Plan 9 operating system. Once we've covered all those, we can go out for dinner. I hope to see you all here tomorrow night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." _____ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Travis Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:38 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 i have a church meeting and won't be able to make it...Travis --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Josh More wrote: From: Josh More Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 To: cialug@cialug.org Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 12:33 PM This is just a reminder that, as we do every month, we have a meeting tomorrow night. The topic is Virtualization, which is somewhat regrettable, as many of our members who actually use virtualization are out at VMWorld right now. However, we have to play the hand that fate has dealt us. Oh wait, we're the LUG, no we don't. I hereby extend the meeting to be about virtualization, the upcoming software freedom day, open source, linux issues, and the Plan 9 operating system. Once we've covered all those, we can go out for dinner. I hope to see you all here tomorrow night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080916/ede5ba78/attachment.htm From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 16:06:37 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:07:01 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs Message-ID: Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to know if anyone has had success with this. --Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080916/90d6d06d/attachment.html From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Tue Sep 16 16:50:59 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Tue Sep 16 16:51:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs Message-ID: I'm watchimng mythtv right now. I can't reccomend knoppmyth enough. There is an excellent wiki that comlements it. I also use mythtv player on windows and the mvp mc alternate firmware for the hauppage media mvp. Others here have installed from scratch and run it on xbox hardware ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Sent: Tue Sep 16 16:06:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to know if anyone has had success with this. --Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080916/23ea05fb/attachment.htm From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 17:23:32 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (Me) Date: Tue Sep 16 17:23:43 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs Message-ID: <48d031d8.2535640a.6a23.0c69@mx.google.com> I've tried mythbuntu on 2 base computers with a pinnacle 800i card. I have the card "working" but I'm having different problems with tuning analog and digital channels. I'll post more when I'm not on my phone. -----Original Message----- From: Nathan C. Smith Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:50 PM To: 'cialug@cialug.org' Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs I'm watchimng mythtv right now. I can't reccomend knoppmyth enough. There is an excellent wiki that comlements it. I also use mythtv player on windows and the mvp mc alternate firmware for the hauppage media mvp. Others here have installed from scratch and run it on xbox hardware From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Sent: Tue Sep 16 16:06:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions?? I've been trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems.? I'd like to know if anyone has had success with this. --Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080916/eabf5e9a/attachment.html From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Sep 16 17:39:26 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Sep 16 17:39:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <48d031d8.2535640a.6a23.0c69@mx.google.com> References: <48d031d8.2535640a.6a23.0c69@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48D0359E.9050107@visionary.com> Sounds like an excellent thing to mess with at the SFF / installfest. Although... I don't know if they'll have cable TV, but I can bring a set of portable rabbit ears for analog OTA testing. -dc Me [not me, jrnosee...] wrote: > I've tried mythbuntu on 2 base computers with a pinnacle 800i card. I have the card "working" but I'm having different problems with tuning analog and digital channels. I'll post more when I'm not on my phone. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan C. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:50 PM > To: 'cialug@cialug.org' > Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs > > I'm watchimng mythtv right now. I can't reccomend knoppmyth enough. There is an excellent wiki that comlements it. I also use mythtv player on windows and the mvp mc alternate firmware for the hauppage media mvp. > > Others here have installed from scratch and run it on xbox hardware > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Sent: Tue Sep 16 16:06:37 2008 > Subject: [Cialug] DVRs > Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to know if anyone has had success with this. > > --Justin > From jeff at ocjtech.us Tue Sep 16 17:48:25 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Tue Sep 16 17:48:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <935ead450809161548m59f96209mbcccd8b6b3bd2d58@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM, wrote: > Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been trying > to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to know > if anyone has had success with this. I toyed briefly with installing MythTV on my Fedora 9 laptop the other day from "the repository which must not be named" and it seemed to work pretty well. I don't have any TV tuner cards so I wasn't able to do any actual TV watching. There's also MythDora which is a customized Fedora 8 install disk (similar to KnoppMyth) but I haven't tried it. Personally I wish there was a MythCentOS as it seems like a DVR is something that you wouldn't want to re-install every year just to keep getting security updates. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From kristau at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 18:20:48 2008 From: kristau at gmail.com (kristau) Date: Tue Sep 16 18:21:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038184A7@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> References: <161986.20164.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038184A7@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> Message-ID: <3effba680809161620q7047f97es65815d624aeb0ed3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > Wednesday evening is prayer meeting at my church so I won't be able to come > either. > > > > I am hoping to bring in a computer Saturday to get Linux installed on it. > > > > Murray McKee > Operating Systems Engineer Murray: - What distribution are you looking to install on your system? We'll try to make sure we have ISO images for it. - If you provide us with some specs on the machine, we can help suggest a suitable distro, if you haven't picked one out yet that is. See you there! -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc From crouse at usalug.net Tue Sep 16 20:25:25 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Tue Sep 16 20:25:49 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <935ead450809161548m59f96209mbcccd8b6b3bd2d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <935ead450809161548m59f96209mbcccd8b6b3bd2d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I cheated...... I just bought a dvd player with a usb port....... formatted a 500gb external drive and convert dvd's to avi's..... ;) Not real pretty, but it works :) On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM, wrote: >> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been trying >> to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to know >> if anyone has had success with this. > > I toyed briefly with installing MythTV on my Fedora 9 laptop the other > day from "the repository which must not be named" and it seemed to > work pretty well. I don't have any TV tuner cards so I wasn't able to > do any actual TV watching. There's also MythDora which is a > customized Fedora 8 install disk (similar to KnoppMyth) but I haven't > tried it. Personally I wish there was a MythCentOS as it seems like a > DVR is something that you wouldn't want to re-install every year just > to keep getting security updates. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From murraymckee at wellsfargo.com Wed Sep 17 10:47:40 2008 From: murraymckee at wellsfargo.com (murraymckee@wellsfargo.com) Date: Wed Sep 17 10:48:05 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 References: <161986.20164.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038184A7@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> <3effba680809161620q7047f97es65815d624aeb0ed3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038186B5@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> I was assuming it would be Ubuntu, but I'm open to other suggestions. I'm hoping to get some information on DVR as well while I'm there. I don't want to be paying a monthly fee to get a DVR to run. I'm looking at something that would record over the air signals for later viewing, with the possibility of recording a few to DVD for long term storage. Most of what we record we watch within a week or two. Murray McKee Operating Systems Engineer WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems 800 Walnut Street MAC F4030-037 Des Moines, IA 50309-3605 WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (515) 890-9660 FAX (515) 557-6046 MurrayMcKee@WellsFargo.com "This message may contain confidential and / or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of kristau Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:21 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > Wednesday evening is prayer meeting at my church so I won't be able to come > either. > > > > I am hoping to bring in a computer Saturday to get Linux installed on it. > > > > Murray McKee > Operating Systems Engineer Murray: - What distribution are you looking to install on your system? We'll try to make sure we have ISO images for it. - If you provide us with some specs on the machine, we can help suggest a suitable distro, if you haven't picked one out yet that is. See you there! -- Tired programmer Coding late into the night The core dump follows My GNUPG public key is available at http://www.kristau.net/public_key.asc _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From theron.conrey at dice.com Wed Sep 17 10:51:49 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed Sep 17 10:56:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Have fun tonight all, I'll be with you all virtually..... *ducks* Will be fun to get back and talk about the bigger than last year linux presence here at VMworld. Redhat, (novell) suse, (canonical) ubuntu, and the wierd Citrix/CentOS/Xen monster, are all showing off what they do with virtualization. ________________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More [morej@alliancetechnologies.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:33 PM To: cialug@cialug.org Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 This is just a reminder that, as we do every month, we have a meeting tomorrow night. The topic is Virtualization, which is somewhat regrettable, as many of our members who actually use virtualization are out at VMWorld right now. However, we have to play the hand that fate has dealt us. Oh wait, we're the LUG, no we don't. I hereby extend the meeting to be about virtualization, the upcoming software freedom day, open source, linux issues, and the Plan 9 operating system. Once we've covered all those, we can go out for dinner. I hope to see you all here tomorrow night. -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From theron.conrey at dice.com Wed Sep 17 10:55:09 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Wed Sep 17 10:58:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> I've got a dedicated mythbuntu box set up using some old dual NTSC haupauge cards in a media case. It's worked for me well over the last few years, but it's gone through some serious overhauls every few months because I always get that "ooooh that feature would be nice!" and break something. If I'd just leave it alone, I'd say that I've fantastic luck with it. -Theron ________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of jrnosee@gmail.com [jrnosee@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:06 PM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: [Cialug] DVRs Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to know if anyone has had success with this. --Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080917/ad9f2221/attachment.htm From jeff at ocjtech.us Wed Sep 17 11:00:34 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:00:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: <935ead450809170900o264fcb58wc032b874ce3877a8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: > Have fun tonight all, I'll be with you all virtually..... *ducks* > > Will be fun to get back and talk about the bigger than last year linux presence here at VMworld. Redhat, (novell) suse, (canonical) ubuntu, and the wierd Citrix/CentOS/Xen monster, are all showing off what they do with virtualization. Heard any interesting tidbits about Red Hat's purchase of Qumranet? Qumranet's SolidICE looks pretty interesting, at least based upon their marketing video. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From djweis at internetsolver.com Wed Sep 17 11:04:20 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:04:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: <48D12A84.3040200@internetsolver.com> Theron Conrey wrote: > Have fun tonight all, I'll be with you all virtually..... *ducks* > > Will be fun to get back and talk about the bigger than last year linux presence here at VMworld. Redhat, (novell) suse, (canonical) ubuntu, and the wierd Citrix/CentOS/Xen monster, are all showing off what they do with virtualization. I think this virtualization thing is a scam, you should just vmotion an image of yourself there instead of having to move in person :-) -- Dave Weis Internet Solver Your Technology Partner 515-224-9229 www.internetsolver.com From jrnosee at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 11:10:26 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:10:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: Ok, so here's what I got. I started with a Biostar SFF pc (used to be a car computer!) with a 2GHz P4 (socket 478) w/ ~640mb ram (I think) nVidia GeForce FX 5500 AGP graphics card. Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i). Mythbuntu 8.04 in hybrid mode. 80 GB "starter" hard drive. That didn't work so I bumped up to a full tower w/ Shuttle mobo w/ 3GHz hyper-threaded (64 bit compat.) P4 (LGA775) w/ 1GB ram. Moved my video and tuner cards over, and stuck in a 40GB "test" Hard Drive just to set it up. Same os. I've followed the steps to get the 800i working and I *can* get channels on it. The problem is when tuning in digital mode I can *usually* get it to come up, but when changing channels it locks up. In analog mode it will tune a channel then "drift" past into static. The same problem exists on both machines. I'm tempted to try it again in Windows . I had it on vista temporarially, but it never quite worked right. I assumed that was because it was on a system that couldn't really handle vista. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: > I've got a dedicated mythbuntu box set up using some old dual NTSC > haupauge cards in a media case. It's worked for me well over the last few > years, but it's gone through some serious overhauls every few months because > I always get that "ooooh that feature would be nice!" and break something. > If I'd just leave it alone, I'd say that I've fantastic luck with it. > > -Theron > ------------------------------ > *From:* cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of > jrnosee@gmail.com [jrnosee@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:06 PM > *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Cialug] DVRs > > Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been > trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to > know if anyone has had success with this. > > --Justin > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080917/eb465190/attachment.html From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Sep 17 11:11:12 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:11:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038186B5@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> References: <161986.20164.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038184A7@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> <3effba680809161620q7047f97es65815d624aeb0ed3@mail.gmail.com> <18677F085300174DAF1FFF55CD01A085038186B5@msgswbiadsm45.wellsfargo.com> Message-ID: <48D12C20.2080200@visionary.com> I'm not currently running a MythTV box... no good excuse except I lost the power supply in my mid-tower case, and the PVR card won't fit in my little shuttle xpc cases. I plan on putting mine back together "Any Day Now"(tm) or "Real Soon Now"(r). Of course, by the time I do that, my PVR-250 will be completely obsolete because of HD. Anyway, I tried running knoppmyth, and didn't like it. Of course, I'm not a big debian / knoppix / ubuntu fan personally (have run all of them). I was running MythTV on Mandriva (which is my distro of choice). It's all in the contribs sources, you just install the packages, do the required MythTV channel setup, and it works like a charm. -dc murraymckee@wellsfargo.com wrote: > I was assuming it would be Ubuntu, but I'm open to other suggestions. > > I'm hoping to get some information on DVR as well while I'm there. I > don't want to be paying a monthly fee to get a DVR to run. I'm looking > at something that would record over the air signals for later viewing, > with the possibility of recording a few to DVD for long term storage. > Most of what we record we watch within a week or two. > > Murray McKee > Operating Systems Engineer > WFFIS - Wells Fargo Financial Information Systems > 800 Walnut Street > MAC F4030-037 > Des Moines, IA 50309-3605 > WORK (515)557-6127 Cell (515) 890-9660 FAX (515) 557-6046 > MurrayMcKee@WellsFargo.com > "This message may contain confidential and / or privileged information. > If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the > addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on > this message or any information herein. If you have received this > message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail > and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On > Behalf Of kristau > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:21 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > >> Wednesday evening is prayer meeting at my church so I won't be able to >> > come > >> either. >> >> >> >> I am hoping to bring in a computer Saturday to get Linux installed on >> > it. > >> >> Murray McKee >> Operating Systems Engineer >> > > Murray: > > - What distribution are you looking to install on your system? We'll > try to make sure we have ISO images for it. > - If you provide us with some specs on the machine, we can help > suggest a suitable distro, if you haven't picked one out yet that is. > > See you there! > > From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Sep 17 11:11:42 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:12:05 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: > Have fun tonight all, I'll be with you all virtually..... *ducks* > > Will be fun to get back and talk about the bigger than last year linux presence here at VMworld. Redhat, (novell) suse, (canonical) ubuntu, and the wierd Citrix/CentOS/Xen monster, are all showing off what they do with virtualization. > There was the rumour that, since Citrix was thought to be in the palm of Microsoft, that Xen would become, Xen Virtualization Server Edition Premium NG. Would love to hear how that turns out. Also there's been a rumour that RH is dropping Xen in favour of KVM. You've gotta give us the juicy details. And what do you mean by "citrix/_centos_/xen monster?" When did centos become part of that? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From jeff at ocjtech.us Wed Sep 17 11:27:26 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Wed Sep 17 11:27:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: <935ead450809170927n51c251aer1721e4bd0580ed47@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > Also there's been a > rumour that RH is dropping Xen in favour of KVM. You've gotta give us > the juicy details. Red Hat can't drop Xen completely because RHEL5 will be supported until 2014. I can see Xen getting dropped in favor of KVM in RHEL 6+. You already can't use Fedora 9 as a Xen host (you can still use it as a guest) because the Red Hat developers got tired of forward-porting the Xen code every time Linus releases a new kernel. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From timchampion at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:10:17 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:10:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> I cheated. ... bought a TiVo. :) Its not a geeky, but I highly recommend it as it is much less stressful, and the wife loves it. It's been running strong for something like 3 years, I think. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM, wrote: > Ok, so here's what I got. > I started with a Biostar SFF pc (used to be a car computer!) with a 2GHz P4 > (socket 478) w/ ~640mb ram (I think) > nVidia GeForce FX 5500 AGP graphics card. Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i). > Mythbuntu 8.04 in hybrid mode. 80 GB "starter" hard drive. > > That didn't work so I bumped up to a full tower w/ > Shuttle mobo w/ 3GHz hyper-threaded (64 bit compat.) P4 (LGA775) w/ 1GB > ram. Moved my video and tuner cards over, and stuck in a 40GB "test" Hard > Drive just to set it up. Same os. > > I've followed the steps to get the 800i working and I *can* get channels on > it. The problem is when tuning in digital mode I can *usually* get it to > come up, but when changing channels it locks up. In analog mode it will > tune a channel then "drift" past into static. The same problem exists on > both machines. I'm tempted to try it again in Windows . I had it on > vista temporarially, but it never quite worked right. I assumed that was > because it was on a system that couldn't really handle vista. > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: > >> I've got a dedicated mythbuntu box set up using some old dual NTSC >> haupauge cards in a media case. It's worked for me well over the last few >> years, but it's gone through some serious overhauls every few months because >> I always get that "ooooh that feature would be nice!" and break something. >> If I'd just leave it alone, I'd say that I've fantastic luck with it. >> >> -Theron >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf >> Of jrnosee@gmail.com [jrnosee@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:06 PM >> *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> *Subject:* [Cialug] DVRs >> >> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been >> trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to >> know if anyone has had success with this. >> >> --Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080918/462d8c6c/attachment.htm From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 18 10:28:01 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:28:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Tim Champion wrote: > I cheated. ... bought a TiVo. :) Its not a geeky, but I highly recommend it > as it is much less stressful, and the wife loves it. It's been running > strong for something like 3 years, I think. > I'm worse... I formatted my mythtv box because my wife wouldn't use it. I installed XP/MCE and she loved it. That was near 2 years ago though so I suspect/hope the interface has improved. Going from myth to mce makes you lose a lot of features (commercial skipping, web interface, etc), plus the videos take up 50% more space, plus they're drm'd. Now I use the Dish DVR which is less featureful and has one of the crappiest interfaces I've ever seen. I guess that's my punishment for switching away from myth. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Thu Sep 18 10:29:41 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:30:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> I confess, I cheated too. I have a standalone Series 1, and a DirecTV Tivo Series 2. I'm excited for the new DirecTV Tivo. Too bad I have to wait a year for it to be released. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Tim Champion wrote: > I cheated. ... bought a TiVo. :) Its not a geeky, but I highly recommend > it as it is much less stressful, and the wife loves it. It's been running > strong for something like 3 years, I think. > > Tim Champion > timchampion@gmail.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM, wrote: > >> Ok, so here's what I got. >> I started with a Biostar SFF pc (used to be a car computer!) with a 2GHz >> P4 (socket 478) w/ ~640mb ram (I think) >> nVidia GeForce FX 5500 AGP graphics card. Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i). >> Mythbuntu 8.04 in hybrid mode. 80 GB "starter" hard drive. >> >> That didn't work so I bumped up to a full tower w/ >> Shuttle mobo w/ 3GHz hyper-threaded (64 bit compat.) P4 (LGA775) w/ 1GB >> ram. Moved my video and tuner cards over, and stuck in a 40GB "test" Hard >> Drive just to set it up. Same os. >> >> I've followed the steps to get the 800i working and I *can* get channels >> on it. The problem is when tuning in digital mode I can *usually* get it to >> come up, but when changing channels it locks up. In analog mode it will >> tune a channel then "drift" past into static. The same problem exists on >> both machines. I'm tempted to try it again in Windows . I had it on >> vista temporarially, but it never quite worked right. I assumed that was >> because it was on a system that couldn't really handle vista. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: >> >>> I've got a dedicated mythbuntu box set up using some old dual NTSC >>> haupauge cards in a media case. It's worked for me well over the last few >>> years, but it's gone through some serious overhauls every few months because >>> I always get that "ooooh that feature would be nice!" and break something. >>> If I'd just leave it alone, I'd say that I've fantastic luck with it. >>> >>> -Theron >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf >>> Of jrnosee@gmail.com [jrnosee@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:06 PM >>> *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> *Subject:* [Cialug] DVRs >>> >>> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been >>> trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to >>> know if anyone has had success with this. >>> >>> --Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080918/fd01ce11/attachment.html From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Sep 18 10:32:39 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:33:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> I cheated too. I decided that all this was far too much effort just to watch TV, so I mostly read books instead. ;) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Tim Wilson" 09/18/08 10:29 AM >>> I confess, I cheated too. I have a standalone Series 1, and a DirecTV Tivo Series 2. I'm excited for the new DirecTV Tivo. Too bad I have to wait a year for it to be released. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Tim Champion wrote: > I cheated. ... bought a TiVo. :) Its not a geeky, but I highly recommend > it as it is much less stressful, and the wife loves it. It's been running > strong for something like 3 years, I think. > > Tim Champion > timchampion@gmail.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM, wrote: > >> Ok, so here's what I got. >> I started with a Biostar SFF pc (used to be a car computer!) with a 2GHz >> P4 (socket 478) w/ ~640mb ram (I think) >> nVidia GeForce FX 5500 AGP graphics card. Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i). >> Mythbuntu 8.04 in hybrid mode. 80 GB "starter" hard drive. >> >> That didn't work so I bumped up to a full tower w/ >> Shuttle mobo w/ 3GHz hyper-threaded (64 bit compat.) P4 (LGA775) w/ 1GB >> ram. Moved my video and tuner cards over, and stuck in a 40GB "test" Hard >> Drive just to set it up. Same os. >> >> I've followed the steps to get the 800i working and I *can* get channels >> on it. The problem is when tuning in digital mode I can *usually* get it to >> come up, but when changing channels it locks up. In analog mode it will >> tune a channel then "drift" past into static. The same problem exists on >> both machines. I'm tempted to try it again in Windows . I had it on >> vista temporarially, but it never quite worked right. I assumed that was >> because it was on a system that couldn't really handle vista. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: >> >>> I've got a dedicated mythbuntu box set up using some old dual NTSC >>> haupauge cards in a media case. It's worked for me well over the last few >>> years, but it's gone through some serious overhauls every few months because >>> I always get that "ooooh that feature would be nice!" and break something. >>> If I'd just leave it alone, I'd say that I've fantastic luck with it. >>> >>> -Theron >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf >>> Of jrnosee@gmail.com [jrnosee@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:06 PM >>> *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> *Subject:* [Cialug] DVRs >>> >>> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been >>> trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to >>> know if anyone has had success with this. >>> >>> --Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- Tim From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 18 10:34:33 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:34:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:33 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs > > I cheated too. > > I decided that all this was far too much effort just to watch TV, so I > mostly read books instead. ;) > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > Are they digital? -Nate From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Thu Sep 18 10:39:21 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:40:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <48D22DA7.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> No, they are not digital. * Reading on a computer screen produces too much eye strain, due to contrast and resolution issues. * Reading on my palm is too irritating, as the screen is too small. * Reading on a dedicated ebook is reader is annoying because it takes too long to "turn a page" Books, on the other hand, have very few bugs and (generally) have a decent user interface that doesn't get in my way. :) -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Nathan C. Smith" 09/18/08 10:34 AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:33 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs > > I cheated too. > > I decided that all this was far too much effort just to watch TV, so I > mostly read books instead. ;) > > > -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > Are they digital? -Nate _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jrnosee at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:42:27 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:42:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah...I have a series 2 TiVo (w/ lifetime), but I've noticed the video quality isn't as good as I'd like, and there are a *few* shows I can get in HD that I'd like to record, but not enough I want to drop a bank on a HD TiVo. If only they'd let us transfer lifetime w/o a huge fee.... That and I was too much of a geek to pass up getting the Pinnacle 800i when they released it on woot.com before anybody else had it. Oh, and I tried Vista w/ MCE first ('cause I had a ... trial...yeah...a trial) but the system wasn't powerful enough to run it. I think I may be able to fix that though. I just wonder if a single core 3ghz system would handle Vista w/ a HD tuner. --Justin On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > I confess, I cheated too. I have a standalone Series 1, and a DirecTV Tivo > Series 2. I'm excited for the new DirecTV Tivo. Too bad I have to wait a > year for it to be released. > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Tim Champion wrote: > >> I cheated. ... bought a TiVo. :) Its not a geeky, but I highly recommend >> it as it is much less stressful, and the wife loves it. It's been running >> strong for something like 3 years, I think. >> >> Tim Champion >> timchampion@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM, wrote: >> >>> Ok, so here's what I got. >>> I started with a Biostar SFF pc (used to be a car computer!) with a 2GHz >>> P4 (socket 478) w/ ~640mb ram (I think) >>> nVidia GeForce FX 5500 AGP graphics card. Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i). >>> Mythbuntu 8.04 in hybrid mode. 80 GB "starter" hard drive. >>> >>> That didn't work so I bumped up to a full tower w/ >>> Shuttle mobo w/ 3GHz hyper-threaded (64 bit compat.) P4 (LGA775) w/ 1GB >>> ram. Moved my video and tuner cards over, and stuck in a 40GB "test" Hard >>> Drive just to set it up. Same os. >>> >>> I've followed the steps to get the 800i working and I *can* get channels >>> on it. The problem is when tuning in digital mode I can *usually* get it to >>> come up, but when changing channels it locks up. In analog mode it will >>> tune a channel then "drift" past into static. The same problem exists on >>> both machines. I'm tempted to try it again in Windows . I had it on >>> vista temporarially, but it never quite worked right. I assumed that was >>> because it was on a system that couldn't really handle vista. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: >>> >>>> I've got a dedicated mythbuntu box set up using some old dual NTSC >>>> haupauge cards in a media case. It's worked for me well over the last few >>>> years, but it's gone through some serious overhauls every few months because >>>> I always get that "ooooh that feature would be nice!" and break something. >>>> If I'd just leave it alone, I'd say that I've fantastic luck with it. >>>> >>>> -Theron >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf >>>> Of jrnosee@gmail.com [jrnosee@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:06 PM >>>> *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>>> *Subject:* [Cialug] DVRs >>>> >>>> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been >>>> trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to >>>> know if anyone has had success with this. >>>> >>>> --Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Cialug mailing list >>>> Cialug@cialug.org >>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > -- > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080918/d977869b/attachment.htm From theron.conrey at dice.com Thu Sep 18 10:52:13 2008 From: theron.conrey at dice.com (Theron Conrey) Date: Thu Sep 18 10:56:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 In-Reply-To: References: <48CFA561.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE5@sdmcexch1.dice.ad>, Message-ID: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503E0F3C661@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> If my sources are true, and after a few drinks I mean c'mon who knows.... If you purchase a copy of Citrix's XenServer, it uses a tweaked version of CentOS for it's base. RH did in fact drop Xen for KVM, although that happened a while ago, and as far as hyper-V and MS, it should come as no surprise that Hyper-V is "Hyper-V is an implementation of the Xen open reference standard". more news to follow....... -Theron ________________________________________ From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Nuzum [newz@bearfruit.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:11 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] Next Meeting - Wednesday September 17 On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Theron Conrey wrote: > Have fun tonight all, I'll be with you all virtually..... *ducks* > > Will be fun to get back and talk about the bigger than last year linux presence here at VMworld. Redhat, (novell) suse, (canonical) ubuntu, and the wierd Citrix/CentOS/Xen monster, are all showing off what they do with virtualization. > There was the rumour that, since Citrix was thought to be in the palm of Microsoft, that Xen would become, Xen Virtualization Server Edition Premium NG. Would love to hear how that turns out. Also there's been a rumour that RH is dropping Xen in favour of KVM. You've gotta give us the juicy details. And what do you mean by "citrix/_centos_/xen monster?" When did centos become part of that? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Thu Sep 18 11:00:50 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Thu Sep 18 11:01:13 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <200809181100.50734.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Hey, that's what i do too. There was one show that i used to record on VHS and at the time i decided if there were 2 shows i was interested in following that it would be worth the effort of looking into a DVR. But then the show i was taping went off the air and i've not found anything worth taping since. More often than not if i have a TV on it is for background noise rather than entertainment. I have a few friends who go on about how great their Tivo is and i just don't get it. Sure, i have a camera that works quite well. But if all i photograph are dog turds i don't think it would be worth talking about (except perhaps with a psychologist). On Thursday September 18 2008 10:32, Josh More wrote: >I cheated too. > >I decided that all this was far too much effort just to watch TV, so I >mostly read books instead. ;) > > >-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC > morej@alliancetechnologies.net > 515-245-7701 > >>>> "Tim Wilson" 09/18/08 10:29 AM >>> > >I confess, I cheated too. I have a standalone Series 1, and a DirecTV >Tivo >Series 2. I'm excited for the new DirecTV Tivo. Too bad I have to >wait a >year for it to be released. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 18 11:09:52 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 18 11:10:14 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <200809181100.50734.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> References: <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <200809181100.50734.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Ramaley > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:01 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs > SNIP! > worth taping since. More often than not if i have a TV on it is for > background noise rather than entertainment. I have a few > friends who go > on about how great their Tivo is and i just don't get it. Sure, i have > a camera that works quite well. But if all i photograph are > dog turds i > don't think it would be worth talking about (except perhaps with a > psychologist). > It's easy, watching TV is like picking a presidential candidate. First you lower your standards, then you look for the lesser of the evils. -Nate From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Thu Sep 18 12:08:33 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:08:57 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: <200809181100.50734.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> Message-ID: <200809181208.33436.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Thursday September 18 2008 11:09, Nathan C. Smith wrote: >It's easy, watching TV is like picking a presidential candidate. >First you lower your standards, then you look for the lesser of the >evils. "Vote Cthulhu! Why settle for the lesser of two evils?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From eric at eric.nu Thu Sep 18 12:59:18 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:59:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D296F6.1030609@eric.nu> jrnosee@gmail.com wrote: > Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been > trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd > like to know if anyone has had success with this. I haven't tried it yet but I was thinking of using LinuxMCE to build a DVR. It has some nice features such as a "Follow Me" feature and some nice home automation features. http://www.linuxmce.org/ Demo Video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&hl=en Eric From barry at vonahsen.com Thu Sep 18 12:59:32 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:59:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <48D29704.30301@vonahsen.com> Nathan C. Smith wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:33 AM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs >> >> I cheated too. >> >> I decided that all this was far too much effort just to watch TV, so I >> mostly read books instead. ;) >> >> >> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >> morej@alliancetechnologies.net >> 515-245-7701 >> > > Are they digital? > stephen hawking reads them to me wget -R www.projectguttenberg.org | festival :) -barry From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 18 13:05:11 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 18 13:05:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <48D29704.30301@vonahsen.com> References: <2815303B39A4D74C805DCD2049E615B503DDE96AE6@sdmcexch1.dice.ad> <7aa1cdb20809180810x5c17f1cco19024ac4a279de52@mail.gmail.com> <5a9568c20809180829gfaa4658yf4cd5c8e1f153c9d@mail.gmail.com> <48D22C15.E800.002E.0@alliancetechnologies.net> <48D29704.30301@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <48D29857.8020902@visionary.com> Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Nathan C. Smith wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >>> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Josh More >>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:33 AM >>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] DVRs >>> >>> I cheated too. >>> >>> I decided that all this was far too much effort just to watch TV, so I >>> mostly read books instead. ;) >>> >>> >>> -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC >>> morej@alliancetechnologies.net >>> 515-245-7701 >>> >> >> Are they digital? >> > > stephen hawking reads them to me > > wget -R www.projectguttenberg.org | festival > > :) > > -barry Just for fun a while back I downloaded one of the project guttenberg "books on tape" which are essentially that... of one of Shakespeare's works. I couldn't listen to it... it was just plain *wrong*. -dc From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 18 14:01:02 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 18 14:01:26 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: <48D296F6.1030609@eric.nu> References: <48D296F6.1030609@eric.nu> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Eric Junker wrote: > jrnosee@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been >> trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd like to >> know if anyone has had success with this. > > I haven't tried it yet but I was thinking of using LinuxMCE to build a DVR. > It has some nice features such as a "Follow Me" feature and some nice home > automation features. > > http://www.linuxmce.org/ > http://elisa.fluendo.com/home/ is a nice product. I used it a few months ago and it was slick but buggy but people I've talked to say it's improving at a great rate. No DVR though, it's like MCE without a tv card. Which reminds me, our online shop now sells codecs such as windows media, dvd playback and etc. There's a "basic windows compatible" an "all except dvd" and a "dvd only" option. I wish there was one that was all (including dvd) but oh well. https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=19 No, I'm not getting a commission on that but I do think its interesting and I got to help out a bit with the web delivery parts. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From jrnosee at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 14:07:35 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Thu Sep 18 14:07:59 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: <48D296F6.1030609@eric.nu> Message-ID: LinuxMCE is ok, but MAN is it complex! It's probably a great setup if you want to control your whole house with a bunch of linux pc's (and don't we all?), but I've only got 1 pc to set up for now, and no special home control stuff I care to hook up. Oh and it want's to be your DHCP server/WAN/LAN gateway too..... It was way to much hastle, and you still have to get mythTV working, so I just slimmed down to a regular mythtv setup. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Eric Junker wrote: > > jrnosee@gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone in the group set up MythTV/other DVR solutions? I've been > >> trying to set one up for a while and I'm running into problems. I'd > like to > >> know if anyone has had success with this. > > > > I haven't tried it yet but I was thinking of using LinuxMCE to build a > DVR. > > It has some nice features such as a "Follow Me" feature and some nice > home > > automation features. > > > > http://www.linuxmce.org/ > > > > http://elisa.fluendo.com/home/ is a nice product. I used it a few > months ago and it was slick but buggy but people I've talked to say > it's improving at a great rate. No DVR though, it's like MCE without a > tv card. > > Which reminds me, our online shop now sells codecs such as windows > media, dvd playback and etc. There's a "basic windows compatible" an > "all except dvd" and a "dvd only" option. I wish there was one that > was all (including dvd) but oh well. > https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=19 > > No, I'm not getting a commission on that but I do think its > interesting and I got to help out a bit with the web delivery parts. > > -- > Matthew Nuzum > newz2000 on freenode > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080918/66e81f55/attachment.html From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 18 16:26:43 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 18 16:27:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DVRs In-Reply-To: References: <48D296F6.1030609@eric.nu> Message-ID: <48D2C793.8020102@visionary.com> Speaking of media center stuff... XBMC is now out for linux: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/05/30/122227.shtml?tid=188 -dc From doncady at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 22:05:22 2008 From: doncady at gmail.com (Don Cady) Date: Thu Sep 18 22:05:47 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48CFDB08.1030807@visionary.com> References: <874204.29092.qm@web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <48CFDB08.1030807@visionary.com> Message-ID: While I was heading down to da meetin' last night, I saw a sign that stated 5th Ave would be closed Saturday. While they probably only mean 5th north of court or walnut, it's still probably best to take ML King or 3rd to lower ML King. Don On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:12 AM, David Champion wrote: > All the info is here: > > http://www.cialug.org/component/option,com_eventlist/Itemid,29/func,details/did,13/ > > -dc > > Ralph Kessel wrote: >> >> I'm old and have a failing memory. Could you please repeat the location of >> this event. >> Thanks, >> Ralph Kessel >> >> >> Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >> >>> >>> Saturday is SFD, who's in? >>> >>> at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more >>> than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market >>> >>> >>> -barry From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 08:36:31 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri Sep 19 08:36:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software Message-ID: What do y'all recommend for tracking finances? I don't even really have a good idea about how a person does this. My current strategy is mostly reactionary. Is there software to help me do this? I tried Gnucash last year. I got from January 1 all the way to October or so and kind of sputtered out. I don't really need to track every financial transaction *after* the fact. I want to know what's upcoming, and what my finances will be a week or two out What do you do? -todd From ewenix at raccoon.com Fri Sep 19 09:10:31 2008 From: ewenix at raccoon.com (ewenix@raccoon.com) Date: Fri Sep 19 09:10:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Arrr Message-ID: <5353930.103431221833431324.JavaMail.root@raccoon> Arr... Remember, today be talk like a pirate day... http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ -Jeff From tdwalton at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 09:32:15 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Fri Sep 19 09:32:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Arrr In-Reply-To: <5353930.103431221833431324.JavaMail.root@raccoon> References: <5353930.103431221833431324.JavaMail.root@raccoon> Message-ID: Well, shiver me timbers! It almost slipped by me this year. -todd On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, wrote: > Arr... Remember, today be talk like a pirate day... > > http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us Fri Sep 19 10:18:52 2008 From: ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us (Ken MacLeod) Date: Fri Sep 19 10:19:16 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > Is there software to help me do this? I tried Gnucash last year. I > got from January 1 all the way to October or so and kind of sputtered > out. I don't really need to track every financial transaction *after* > the fact. I want to know what's upcoming, and what my finances will > be a week or two out What do you do? I use a two column (amount, purpose) plain text file and the perl script below. The script outputs three columns (amount, balance, purpose), skipping lines that start with '#'. I edit in one window and run 'watch' on the script in another window to update every time I save the file. I use perl instead of a spreadsheet because I modify the script sometimes for special cases and I'd rather not learn the spreadsheet's macro language ;-). I budget out a couple of months and I move older history to another file after checking balances. -------- cut here -------- #!/usr/bin/perl -w # watch perl budg.pl use strict; use warnings; my $printing = 0; my $balance = 0; open(BUDG, "budget") or die "budget: $!\n"; while () { $balance = 0 if /\s*#--- monthly budget/i; $printing = 1 if /\s*#--- cut/i; print if /^\s*$|^\s*#/; next if /^\s*#|^\s*$/; s/^\s*//g; my ($amount, $purpose) = split(/\s+/, $_, 2); $balance += $amount; printf "%8.2f %8.2f %s", $amount, $balance, $purpose if $printing; } close(BUDG); -------- cur here -------- From cmlburnett at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 10:31:11 2008 From: cmlburnett at gmail.com (Colin Burnett) Date: Fri Sep 19 10:31:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software In-Reply-To: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Ken MacLeod wrote: > > I use a two column (amount, purpose) plain text file and the perl > script below. The script outputs three columns (amount, balance, > purpose), skipping lines that start with '#'. I edit in one window > and run 'watch' on the script in another window to update every time I > save the file. I use perl instead of a spreadsheet because I modify > the script sometimes for special cases and I'd rather not learn the > spreadsheet's macro language ;-). I budget out a couple of months and > I move older history to another file after checking balances. That has to be the most esoteric way to budget I have ever seen. Kudos. :) Colin From zach at kotlarek.com Fri Sep 19 10:55:36 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Fri Sep 19 10:56:20 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <659E623A-51B5-4D57-A732-7D5730647161@kotlarek.com> On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > Is there software to help me do this? I tried Gnucash last year. I > got from January 1 all the way to October or so and kind of sputtered > out. I don't really need to track every financial transaction *after* > the fact. I want to know what's upcoming, and what my finances will > be a week or two out What do you do? I do it with scheduled transactions in GnuCash -- if you schedule your recurring expenses and income it gives you information like "Projected Minimum", which I'm guessing is the kind of thing you want. Or if your transactions are not regular enough to schedule you can just enter things with future dates when you find out about them. If you're not interested in tracking every expense you can just put in the big ones and add an "adjustment" entry every week or two to make up for all the small ones and bring you back in sync with external accounting (e.g. your bank). You won't be able to do item-by-item reconciliation, but it would let you track big transactions and make general predictions about future account values without taking quite so long. -- The most recent major version (new since you've used it) also has a feature called "Budgets", which might be part of what you want: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/chapter15.html Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080919/6df109a6/smime.bin From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Sep 19 12:02:29 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri Sep 19 12:02:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > What do y'all recommend for tracking finances? I don't even really > have a good idea about how a person does this. My current strategy is > mostly reactionary. > > Is there software to help me do this? I tried Gnucash last year. I > got from January 1 all the way to October or so and kind of sputtered > out. I don't really need to track every financial transaction *after* > the fact. I want to know what's upcoming, and what my finances will > be a week or two out What do you do? > For inspiration and tips check out this site: http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/about/ Also, an *awesome* class you can take is called "Financial Peace University" created by Dave Ramsey. (someone I know from church teaches classes locally, if you're interested let me know and I'll get you in touch with him). Using stuff we learned in the class my wife and I, in the last 14 months or so, have paid off about $10k in debt and have made good progress in savings and we're a single income family. My personal technique is to make an accurate monthly budget (no fancy tools needed), have a $1,000 emergency fund (for now, but it will grow when my debt is gone), and use the "envelope system" of taking cash out of the bank and dividing it up into envelopes according to my budget. Then I don't use my debit card or credit card. The good thing is that you know how much money you have left simply by looking in the envelopes. :-) It took me several months to get an accurate monthly budget and during those months my emergency fund fluctuated quite a bit, but now things are pretty smooth and we look forward to having no debt except our house payment by spring. Anyway, that's what I do. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From dchampion at visionary.com Fri Sep 19 12:29:41 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Fri Sep 19 12:30:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D3E185.8070603@visionary.com> Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Todd Walton wrote: > >> What do y'all recommend for tracking finances? I don't even really >> have a good idea about how a person does this. My current strategy is >> mostly reactionary. >> >> Is there software to help me do this? I tried Gnucash last year. I >> got from January 1 all the way to October or so and kind of sputtered >> out. I don't really need to track every financial transaction *after* >> the fact. I want to know what's upcoming, and what my finances will >> be a week or two out What do you do? >> >> > > For inspiration and tips check out this site: > http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/about/ Also, an *awesome* class you > can take is called "Financial Peace University" created by Dave > Ramsey. (someone I know from church teaches classes locally, if you're > interested let me know and I'll get you in touch with him). Using > stuff we learned in the class my wife and I, in the last 14 months or > so, have paid off about $10k in debt and have made good progress in > savings and we're a single income family. > > My personal technique is to make an accurate monthly budget (no fancy > tools needed), have a $1,000 emergency fund (for now, but it will grow > when my debt is gone), and use the "envelope system" of taking cash > out of the bank and dividing it up into envelopes according to my > budget. Then I don't use my debit card or credit card. The good thing > is that you know how much money you have left simply by looking in the > envelopes. :-) It took me several months to get an accurate monthly > budget and during those months my emergency fund fluctuated quite a > bit, but now things are pretty smooth and we look forward to having no > debt except our house payment by spring. > > Anyway, that's what I do. > My parents had a similar (maybe the same?) class at their church. Sounds like it has some very solid advice. -dc From newz at bearfruit.org Fri Sep 19 13:03:25 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Fri Sep 19 13:03:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Finance Software In-Reply-To: <48D3E185.8070603@visionary.com> References: <48D3E185.8070603@visionary.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:29 PM, David Champion wrote: > Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> Also, an *awesome* class you >> can take is called "Financial Peace University" created by Dave >> Ramsey. (someone I know from church teaches classes locally, if you're >> interested let me know and I'll get you in touch with him). > > My parents had a similar (maybe the same?) class at their church. Sounds > like it has some very solid advice. Probably is the same. Groups can order versions of his material on video to be taught by normal every day people. http://www.daveramsey.com/fpu/home/ He has versions targeted for churches, businesses, prisons and other settings. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Fri Sep 19 22:23:07 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Fri Sep 19 22:23:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays In-Reply-To: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c91ad0$33ec8c70$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Recently I discovered the hard way the disadvantages of a raid 0 setup when the number six drive died in a proliant 5500. That was mistake #1. Mistake #2-I started moving drives around and that's when I really screwed things up. The smart-2dh controller that ran things now complains that it can't find any drives and that it needs to be reconfigured. I found a scsi port on board and plugged the drives into that, after messing around for a while, I know I have five good drives. After googling around for several nights now I've figured out that need something called a smartstart cd with all the setup utils on it. Thanks to HP's rearranging of their web site all of the promising links I find no longer exist. I did find an ftp that had smartstart-5.50-0 but after several tries it appears to be a scrambled iso that doesn't work. I did manage to reinstall 2k3 on one drive using the onboard controller and windows now gives out individual drive letters for each drive. I'd like to setup a mirrored raid but its looking like I can't with the onboard controller. Should I toss the smart-2dh and use thing better or keep looking for the software to set it up right? -dh From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Sep 19 22:33:27 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Sep 19 22:33:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays Message-ID: I can probably come up with a version of the smartstart cd you want. The compaq raid is generally quite excellent. Though it let me down back in january. First time in 10 years. -nate ----- Original Message ----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' Sent: Fri Sep 19 22:23:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays Recently I discovered the hard way the disadvantages of a raid 0 setup when the number six drive died in a proliant 5500. That was mistake #1. Mistake #2-I started moving drives around and that's when I really screwed things up. The smart-2dh controller that ran things now complains that it can't find any drives and that it needs to be reconfigured. I found a scsi port on board and plugged the drives into that, after messing around for a while, I know I have five good drives. After googling around for several nights now I've figured out that need something called a smartstart cd with all the setup utils on it. Thanks to HP's rearranging of their web site all of the promising links I find no longer exist. I did find an ftp that had smartstart-5.50-0 but after several tries it appears to be a scrambled iso that doesn't work. I did manage to reinstall 2k3 on one drive using the onboard controller and windows now gives out individual drive letters for each drive. I'd like to setup a mirrored raid but its looking like I can't with the onboard controller. Should I toss the smart-2dh and use thing better or keep looking for the software to set it up right? -dh _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From ng0g at mchsi.com Sat Sep 20 23:47:58 2008 From: ng0g at mchsi.com (Stephen Hawkins) Date: Sat Sep 20 23:52:09 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? Message-ID: <200809202347.58915.ng0g@mchsi.com> cialug, Does anyone know if Mediacom is having DNS problems? Steve -- Stephen Hawkins 73 49 111 01001001 ng0g@arrl.net From aaron.jensen at mac.com Sun Sep 21 00:04:24 2008 From: aaron.jensen at mac.com (Aaron Jensen) Date: Sun Sep 21 00:05:29 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: <200809202347.58915.ng0g@mchsi.com> References: <200809202347.58915.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I was having trouble with the Mediacom DNS servers as well and switched back to OpenDNS. On Sep 20, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Stephen Hawkins wrote: > cialug, > > Does anyone know if Mediacom is having DNS problems? > > Steve > -- > Stephen Hawkins > 73 49 111 01001001 > ng0g@arrl.net > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Sun Sep 21 00:19:08 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sun Sep 21 00:19:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: References: <200809202347.58915.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5a9568c20809202219i725eef46ueee0199695fa560e@mail.gmail.com> A friend of mine said they were getting a search page. But if they entered the URL again, it would usually work. Sounds like a DNS problem to me. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Aaron Jensen wrote: > I was having trouble with the Mediacom DNS servers as well and switched > back to OpenDNS. > > > On Sep 20, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Stephen Hawkins wrote: > > cialug, >> >> Does anyone know if Mediacom is having DNS problems? >> >> Steve >> -- >> Stephen Hawkins >> 73 49 111 01001001 >> ng0g@arrl.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080921/441206d4/attachment.html From ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us Sun Sep 21 08:57:45 2008 From: ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us (Ken MacLeod) Date: Sun Sep 21 08:58:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: References: <200809202347.58915.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <7ee95fff0809210657s3390865dhe46d01ae3ac2598@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Aaron Jensen wrote: > I was having trouble with the Mediacom DNS servers as well and switched back > to OpenDNS. Same here. From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Sun Sep 21 10:17:59 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Sun Sep 21 10:19:38 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: <7ee95fff0809210657s3390865dhe46d01ae3ac2598@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> I've heard rumors that Mediacom is trying a "sitefinder" service. I'm using OpenDNS here - at least I can turn off that service on OpenDNS. -Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken MacLeod" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:57:45 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Aaron Jensen wrote: > I was having trouble with the Mediacom DNS servers as well and switched back > to OpenDNS. Same here. _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Sun Sep 21 12:26:42 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sun Sep 21 12:27:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> References: <7ee95fff0809210657s3390865dhe46d01ae3ac2598@mail.gmail.com> <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: <5a9568c20809211026g47c8d370k2a48af4ab3156c0c@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if the "sitefinder" service is what my friend was talking about. He said it was a search page with the URL in an input box. The odd thing is only his wife is seeing it, but she's seeing it on both her desktop and her laptop. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Jonathan C. Bailey < jbailey@co.marshall.ia.us> wrote: > I've heard rumors that Mediacom is trying a "sitefinder" service. I'm using > OpenDNS here - at least I can turn off that service on OpenDNS. > > -Jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken MacLeod" > To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:57:45 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Aaron Jensen > wrote: > > I was having trouble with the Mediacom DNS servers as well and switched > back > > to OpenDNS. > > Same here. > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080921/61438d9c/attachment.htm From ng0g at mchsi.com Sun Sep 21 12:57:44 2008 From: ng0g at mchsi.com (Stephen Hawkins) Date: Sun Sep 21 12:58:10 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> References: <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> Message-ID: <200809211257.44854.ng0g@mchsi.com> cialug, On Sunday 21 September 2008 10:17:59 am Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > I've heard rumors that Mediacom is trying a "sitefinder" service. I'm using > OpenDNS here - at least I can turn off that service on OpenDNS. > I think something is broken to. I called their 800 number about 0430 this morning and the recording said that there was a problem in "my area". The problem went away as soon as I changed my DNS ips to Open DNS. I punched the zero key to talk to someone to find out if the "problem in my area" was the same problem I saw. After about 30 minutes with the phone on speaker I gave up. I figured that at 0430 nobody but me would be calling. Who knew. Steve -- Stephen Hawkins 73 49 111 01001001 ng0g@arrl.net From timchampion at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 18:31:13 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Sun Sep 21 18:31:37 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: <200809211257.44854.ng0g@mchsi.com> References: <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> <200809211257.44854.ng0g@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20809211631p218b94e6u8ae0ebc86dd6c009@mail.gmail.com> I'm on Mediacom, and I just now switched to OpenDNS on my home rounter. Night and day difference! Thanks for the suggestion. It used to sit & spin sometimes trying to look up a site. I'd cancel the load, and try again, and it would sometimes work. Now, its all better and snappy. Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Stephen Hawkins wrote: > cialug, > > On Sunday 21 September 2008 10:17:59 am Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: > > I've heard rumors that Mediacom is trying a "sitefinder" service. I'm > using > > OpenDNS here - at least I can turn off that service on OpenDNS. > > > > I think something is broken to. I called their 800 number about 0430 this > morning and the recording said that there was a problem in "my area". The > problem went away as soon as I changed my DNS ips to Open DNS. I punched > the > zero key to talk to someone to find out if the "problem in my area" was the > same problem I saw. After about 30 minutes with the phone on speaker I > gave > up. I figured that at 0430 nobody but me would be calling. Who knew. > > Steve > -- > Stephen Hawkins > 73 49 111 01001001 > ng0g@arrl.net > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080921/c0cee1d5/attachment.html From jrnosee at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 20:21:47 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Sun Sep 21 20:22:11 2008 Subject: [Cialug] DNS problems at Mediacom?? In-Reply-To: <7aa1cdb20809211631p218b94e6u8ae0ebc86dd6c009@mail.gmail.com> References: <26249411.3181222010279751.JavaMail.root@zimbra> <200809211257.44854.ng0g@mchsi.com> <7aa1cdb20809211631p218b94e6u8ae0ebc86dd6c009@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I had this problem last night too. I was getting a mediacom search page for EVERYTHING. Only on my freshly booted ubuntu system. My Vista desktop that had been on for days was fine. I don't know if it was 'cause of when the system was loaded, or what. I don't think that should matter since everything goes through the same router. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Tim Champion wrote: > I'm on Mediacom, and I just now switched to OpenDNS on my home rounter. > > Night and day difference! Thanks for the suggestion. It used to sit & spin > sometimes trying to look up a site. I'd cancel the load, and try again, and > it would sometimes work. Now, its all better and snappy. > > Tim Champion > timchampion@gmail.com > > > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Stephen Hawkins wrote: > >> cialug, >> >> On Sunday 21 September 2008 10:17:59 am Jonathan C. Bailey wrote: >> > I've heard rumors that Mediacom is trying a "sitefinder" service. I'm >> using >> > OpenDNS here - at least I can turn off that service on OpenDNS. >> > >> >> I think something is broken to. I called their 800 number about 0430 this >> morning and the recording said that there was a problem in "my area". The >> problem went away as soon as I changed my DNS ips to Open DNS. I punched >> the >> zero key to talk to someone to find out if the "problem in my area" was >> the >> same problem I saw. After about 30 minutes with the phone on speaker I >> gave >> up. I figured that at 0430 nobody but me would be calling. Who knew. >> >> Steve >> -- >> Stephen Hawkins >> 73 49 111 01001001 >> ng0g@arrl.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080921/c7b3ced2/attachment.htm From james at dhlake.com Tue Sep 23 11:13:08 2008 From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker) Date: Tue Sep 23 11:14:23 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays In-Reply-To: <001801c91ad0$33ec8c70$6401a8c0@toshibauser> References: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com> <001801c91ad0$33ec8c70$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: <48D91594.1040507@dhlake.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Hockey wrote: | Recently I discovered the hard way the disadvantages of a raid 0 setup when | the number six drive died in a proliant 5500. That was mistake #1. | Mistake #2-I started moving drives around and that's when I really screwed | things up. The smart-2dh controller that ran things now complains that it | can't find any drives and that it needs to be reconfigured. I found a scsi | port on board and plugged the drives into that, after messing around for a | while, I know I have five good drives. | After googling around for several nights now I've figured out that need | something called a smartstart cd with all the setup utils on it. Thanks to | HP's rearranging of their web site all of the promising links I find no | longer exist. I did find an ftp that had smartstart-5.50-0 but after several | tries it appears to be a scrambled iso that doesn't work. | I did manage to reinstall 2k3 on one drive using the onboard controller and | windows now gives out individual drive letters for each drive. I'd like to | setup a mirrored raid but its looking like I can't with the onboard | controller. | Should I toss the smart-2dh and use thing better or keep looking for the | software to set it up right? ~ I probably have a smartstart CD image that would work for you... Or just download it from: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=US&swItem=MTX-597d7cb6b45d493285e27c1412&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=327479 James -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFI2RWU077ESUZudLMRAuWVAJsFTNY6279Rwiad6HqKr2duz0iwpgCfV7jQ WOf2DUy1XSspw/qyN+XfxYw= =FOQI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dchampion at visionary.com Tue Sep 23 13:36:21 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Tue Sep 23 13:36:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] [plug] open coworking day Message-ID: <48D93725.1090500@visionary.com> Impromptu (our host for the Software Freedom Day last weekend) is having an "Open Coworking Day" for any of you work at home / consultant types. See info here: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1117249/ -dc From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Sep 23 15:22:46 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Sep 23 15:23:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <48D95016.70600@vonahsen.com> another year down - we had 7 people show up, we helped Afan with a couple things (no help to me :), couldn't get Don set up with knopmyth, and finally got Murray a working linux box. then the xbox crew came down from Ames - they figured out how to get linux installed with a hot swap install (boot the xbox, pull the hard drive into a pc, boot from live cd, install linux) many thanks to dc and Ken for their help (and any others who blogged or anything else), and to Daniel (and his wife) and Impromptu for hosting us -barry Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > Saturday is SFD, who's in? > > at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more > than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market > > > -barry > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From afan at afan.net Tue Sep 23 15:50:18 2008 From: afan at afan.net (Afan Pasalic) Date: Tue Sep 23 15:51:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] software freedom day roundup In-Reply-To: <48D95016.70600@vonahsen.com> References: <48CE79CF.6030209@vonahsen.com> <48D95016.70600@vonahsen.com> Message-ID: <48D9568A.8010706@afan.net> successful software freedom day for me. 1 of 3 issues solved thanks to ken and barry. I'll wait next year for other 2 issues. :-) Barry Von Ahsen wrote: > another year down - we had 7 people show up, we helped Afan with a > couple things (no help to me :), couldn't get Don set up with > knopmyth, and finally got Murray a working linux box. then the xbox > crew came down from Ames - they figured out how to get linux installed > with a hot swap install (boot the xbox, pull the hard drive into a pc, > boot from live cd, install linux) > > many thanks to dc and Ken for their help (and any others who blogged > or anything else), and to Daniel (and his wife) and Impromptu for > hosting us > > > -barry > > > Barry Von Ahsen wrote: >> Saturday is SFD, who's in? >> >> at this point, we have no real agenda, but it'd be nice to have more >> than one person so we could send someone(s) to spam the farmer's market >> >> >> -barry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From atporter at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 17:45:11 2008 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Tue Sep 23 17:45:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Shameless Plug Message-ID: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com> My employer (Pandora) is going to be having a meetup in Des Moines on Monday, October 13th. The location and start time are still being sorted out, but if you're interested in an admittedly very light on tech details presentation about the products of a cool Linux loving company (and probably some free swag to boot), you can RSVP to tour@pandora.com with "DES MOINES" in the Subject line. Details will eventually be posted at http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/ From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Wed Sep 24 11:26:09 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Wed Sep 24 11:26:58 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting Message-ID: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> A recruiter has contacted me off-list and asked me to pass this along to you lot. Bear in mind that job descriptions are somewhat loose, so if you're interested but don't quite fit perfectly, it might be good to apply anyway (who has 10+ years experience with 64bit Red Hat, really?). Anyway, if you're interested, send me your resume and I'll pass it along to the recruiter. -Josh More --- start posting --- Position Description: Acts in the highest level technical role as an individual contributor and/or team lead for the most complex technical support and operating systems or subsystems initiatives. Leads, conducts, and coordinates the analysis, planning, and implementation of systems software and/or hardware. Analyzes designs, codes, tests, debugs, maintains, modifies, and documents operating systems. Plans and defines systems software and/or hardware requirements and determines system specifications and/or customizations. Directs the design of subsystems and integration of total systems. Identifies and resolves the most complex problems. Provides leadership, direction and/or guidance to less experienced staff. Senior RedHat Linux System Administration with experience in system and application performance tuning, supporting WebLogic and JBoss Application Servers, and working knowledge of server virtualization (VMWare, Xen). Candidate should have proven knowledge of UNIX scripting, file permissions, security, backup tools (Veritas), capacity planning and SAN knowledge. Knowledge of AIX or Solaris would be considered a plus. Responsibilities: * 10+ years proven experience in administration of RedHat Linux 64bit OS * Proven experience in deployment and support of JBoss Application Server * Experience with configuring and deploying clustering and high availability technologies in both RedHat and JBoss * Experience with installing and supporting Apache on Linux * Knowledge of interoperability in heterogeneous environment and system process automation * Must be a team player with excellent oral and written communication skills. Additional desired experience. * Storage (HDS) * Support of database services (Oracle 10g RAC), Veritas NetBackup, and Active Directory * Knowledge of multiple hardware platforms (HP, IBM, Sun) From jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us Wed Sep 24 11:30:33 2008 From: jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us (Jonathan C. Bailey) Date: Wed Sep 24 11:32:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Passing on an announcement - Python Users Group In-Reply-To: <3E80DA4E-539F-4AC8-8A44-BC6C22A89DE2@bigcreek.com> Message-ID: <12453353.9561222273833488.JavaMail.root@zimbra> FYI guys, this is tonight. If anyone needs directions, shoot me a message.. Don't worry - we won't detain any Ruby users. :-D Jonathan Bailey Marshall County, Iowa 1 E Main St, Marshalltown, IA 50158 P: 641-844-2804 / C: 515-988-1021 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Body" To: "Central Iowa Linux Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:55:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Cialug] Passing on an announcement - Python Users Group On Sep 9, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Colin Burnett wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Josh More > wrote: >> >> Location: Marshall County Sheriff's Office, 3rd floor > > (Ok, I'll be the first.) > > Is this a setup by the Ruby group to rid central Iowa of Python > developers? It is rather suspicious, isn't it? But the truth is we love Python developers and they are always welcome at our meetings. In fact, we'd like to invite all Python developers (and anyone else who might be interested) to attend our meeting on Thursday (9/11) this week. Cassie Schmitz from Iowa Interactive will be talking about RSpec. Details are available at http://www.iowaruby.org/. --David _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From zach at kotlarek.com Wed Sep 24 12:08:19 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:08:57 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Josh More wrote: > who has 10+ years experience with 64bit Red Hat, really? Well, the PowerPC 620 came out in 1997. Nobody bought any, but it was technically available, and you could probably have cross-compiled Red Hat for it if you really tried. Either that or they count parallel experience. IA-64 came out in 2001, and you could have 10 cpu-years of experience on that if you had more than one box. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080924/2b4d310d/smime.bin From james at dhlake.com Wed Sep 24 12:19:19 2008 From: james at dhlake.com (James Shoemaker) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:20:26 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Zachary Kotlarek wrote: | | On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Josh More wrote: | |> who has 10+ years experience with 64bit Red Hat, really? | | Well, the PowerPC 620 came out in 1997. Nobody bought any, but it was | technically available, and you could probably have cross-compiled Red | Hat for it if you really tried. | | Either that or they count parallel experience. IA-64 came out in 2001, | and you could have 10 cpu-years of experience on that if you had more | than one box. ~ Do you forget about ALPHA? Linux was running on alpha in 1995. James -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFI2nZi077ESUZudLMRAs2BAJwPpozZNomDDxq619vOKMgFtawhgQCdHFs5 H2Pzzqi/mqA1GCNuqjIMeWA= =FI6a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From djweis at internetsolver.com Wed Sep 24 12:25:46 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:26:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Josh More wrote: >> who has 10+ years experience with 64bit Red Hat, really? > Well, the PowerPC 620 came out in 1997. Nobody bought any, but it was > technically available, and you could probably have cross-compiled Red Hat for > it if you really tried. > Either that or they count parallel experience. IA-64 came out in 2001, and > you could have 10 cpu-years of experience on that if you had more than one > box. Get an 8-core machine and you are covered in 1.25 years! dave -- Dave Weis djweis@internetsolver.com http://www.internetsolver.com/ From newz at bearfruit.org Wed Sep 24 12:35:54 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:36:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM, James Shoemaker wrote: > |> who has 10+ years experience with 64bit Red Hat, really? > | > | Well, the PowerPC 620 came out in 1997. > > ~ Do you forget about ALPHA? Linux was running on alpha in 1995. > The first time I heard about redhat was '96 or so when they came out with version 2.0 (or something like that) and had a contest giving away a free alpha workstation with redhat installed. So presumably someone has '64b experience going back that far. http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:fhrcgr18OHAJ:www.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/1996-May/000938.html+redhat+contest+alpha+workstation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a Maybe they should just hire Jon maddog Hall. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From zach at kotlarek.com Wed Sep 24 12:43:37 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:44:08 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> Message-ID: <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:19 PM, James Shoemaker wrote: > ~ Do you forget about ALPHA? Linux was running on alpha in 1995. I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2746 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080924/a26cdbd4/smime.bin From mrdovey at iedu.com Wed Sep 24 12:58:14 2008 From: mrdovey at iedu.com (Morris Dovey) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:58:33 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> Message-ID: <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ From crouse at usalug.net Wed Sep 24 13:18:06 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Wed Sep 24 13:18:30 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This same job posting has been up for over 4 months and is posted MULTIPLE times on dice.com and by many many recruiters on careerbuilders (I know, I'm still looking for a job), and it makes it a pita to wade through all the duplicate crap. This line "10+ years proven experience in administration of RedHat Linux 64bit OS" is the dead give away... and is in almost all the duplicates. It made me lmao when I read it. I can't wait till that position finally gets filled so the recruiters will stop spamming all the job boards with the same job. :( I first noticed this post on usalug.org , one of my linux websites. "Posted: 09 Jun 2008 02:02 pm Post subject: [ JOB ]: Senior RedHat Linux Systems Admin (Des Monies, IA) Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster Job Title: Senior RedHat Linux Systems Admin Location: Des Moines, IA Contract Type: Contract Only Contract Length: 17 months" and it had the famous line...... "* 10+ years proven experience in administration of RedHat Linux 64bit OS " http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13166 That was in JUNE of this year... that's almost 4 full months... REALLY ????? Something strange is going on here... I didn't bother sending in my resume, as I only have about 5 years experience with rhel, and DEFINITELY don't have 10+ years with 64-bit rhel lol. I for one would LOVE to hear from your recruiter friend for WHOM this job posting is REALLY for. Dave Crouse crouse@usalug.net www.usalug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjahEEACgkQ5NB9peek97zM/QCfd3Mi9/5RqRTN7+rSbIU9AAa8 vk8AoIxBBJUY8Rrut+KnsshGETWbCrHq =Vhec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Morris Dovey wrote: > Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > >> I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) > > Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) > > (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) > > -- > Morris Dovey > DeSoto Solar > DeSoto, Iowa USA > http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Wed Sep 24 13:36:47 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Wed Sep 24 13:37:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> Message-ID: <200809241336.47721.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Wednesday September 24 2008 12:25, Dave Weis wrote: >On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >> On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Josh More wrote: >>> who has 10+ years experience with 64bit Red Hat, really? >> >> 2001, and you could have 10 cpu-years of experience on that if you >> had more than one box. > >Get an 8-core machine and you are covered in 1.25 years! I've got a cluster at work of 7 machines with a total of 56 cores running 64-bit RHEL. We've been "live" for about 26 days and had the machines for roughly a month before that. So i'm probably getting pretty close to 10 years. Heck, we have another 64-bit machine that only has 2 cores that i've been administering for nearly 3 years. So i'm sure i'm well over 10 years. Great! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From daniel.ramaley at drake.edu Wed Sep 24 13:38:15 2008 From: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu (Daniel A. Ramaley) Date: Wed Sep 24 13:38:17 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> Message-ID: <200809241338.15756.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> On Wednesday September 24 2008 12:58, Morris Dovey wrote: >Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >> I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) > >Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) > >(And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) All our RHEL 5 machines were just updated to 5.2 not so long ago. Or are you talking 5.2 before the Red Hat version restart? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA From djweis at internetsolver.com Wed Sep 24 13:45:41 2008 From: djweis at internetsolver.com (Dave Weis) Date: Wed Sep 24 13:46:04 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> Message-ID: <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> Dave Crouse wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This same job posting has been up for over 4 months and is posted > MULTIPLE times on dice.com and by many many recruiters on > careerbuilders (I know, I'm still looking for a job), and it makes it > a pita to wade through all the duplicate crap. A lot of ads like that are trolling for resumes, there might not even be a job. dave From crouse at usalug.net Wed Sep 24 14:11:31 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:11:55 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Very much what I had assumed. The really ODD part was the "10+ years experience with RH 64-bit" in ALL those postings. Again, makes it a pita to find a job ;) Dave Crouse crouse@usalug.net www.usalug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjakOAACgkQ5NB9peek97z8vQCfWBdNmLZ5HnuYb41hwdxlbDaH HSAAnRvKhqz9Lzix3zyRV/hY5oohRzAk =uU24 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Dave Weis wrote: > Dave Crouse wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> This same job posting has been up for over 4 months and is posted >> MULTIPLE times on dice.com and by many many recruiters on >> careerbuilders (I know, I'm still looking for a job), and it makes it >> a pita to wade through all the duplicate crap. > > A lot of ads like that are trolling for resumes, there might not even be a > job. > > dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Sep 24 14:15:14 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:15:36 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <48DA91C2.8020701@visionary.com> Dave Crouse wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Very much what I had assumed. The really ODD part was the "10+ years > experience with RH 64-bit" in ALL those postings. > Again, makes it a pita to find a job ;) > > Dave Crouse > crouse@usalug.net > www.usalug.org > "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Raising Arizona. -dc From ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us Wed Sep 24 14:24:33 2008 From: ken at bitsko.slc.ut.us (Ken MacLeod) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:24:56 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> Message-ID: <7ee95fff0809241224r44515f0fx3d7c10ff8fb65a0d@mail.gmail.com> The position is real, it's at Wells Fargo Mortgage. Three openings were posted last week and they're starting to look at resumes this week. I've now had about 12 recruiters call me because I posted my resume recently ;-) Re. the "10 years of [some specific thing that hasn't been around for 10 years]" requirement, I've seen those pretty often and have always taken it as "10 years of [experience leading up to doing today] [some specific thing that hasn't been around for 10 years]". -- Ken From timchampion at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 14:30:26 2008 From: timchampion at gmail.com (Tim Champion) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:30:52 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <7ee95fff0809241224r44515f0fx3d7c10ff8fb65a0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> <7ee95fff0809241224r44515f0fx3d7c10ff8fb65a0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa1cdb20809241230j436c73e0w7b9338e3f13e9036@mail.gmail.com> Back in the 1997 - when I was looking a lot for a job, I saw "5 years experience with Windows 95" er - huh? Stupid stuff like that makes people skip over the job. I love seeing things that ask for 5-10 years of professional experience in MySQL. I'm not saying that MySQL hasn't been around that long, it has. But, the number of people using it in a professional environment for that long is about 0. When are recruiters going to learn. :( Tim Champion timchampion@gmail.com On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Ken MacLeod wrote: > The position is real, it's at Wells Fargo Mortgage. Three openings > were posted last week and they're starting to look at resumes this > week. I've now had about 12 recruiters call me because I posted my > resume recently ;-) > > Re. the "10 years of [some specific thing that hasn't been around for > 10 years]" requirement, I've seen those pretty often and have always > taken it as "10 years of [experience leading up to doing today] [some > specific thing that hasn't been around for 10 years]". > > -- Ken > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080924/af42f8d5/attachment.htm From crouse at usalug.net Wed Sep 24 14:44:36 2008 From: crouse at usalug.net (Dave Crouse) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:45:00 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DA91C2.8020701@visionary.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> <48DA91C2.8020701@visionary.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 roflmao, well, I'm NOT so young anymore :( and with 2 kids in college a mortgage and 3 cats and 2 dogs ..... it kinda helps :) I do have my health, so I guess if I have to have one or the other I'd choose it any day. The job just makes life a bit easier lol. Dave Crouse crouse@usalug.net www.usalug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjamKQACgkQ5NB9peek97x4ygCeJkahH2BljjzCNjwkmU9AvGKb WY0AnidbmH3npfy1exxy+inM/xROyqyx =UK0Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Champion wrote: > Dave Crouse wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Very much what I had assumed. The really ODD part was the "10+ years >> experience with RH 64-bit" in ALL those postings. >> Again, makes it a pita to find a job ;) >> >> Dave Crouse >> crouse@usalug.net >> www.usalug.org >> > > "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - > Raising Arizona. > > -dc > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From randy.rote at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 15:03:16 2008 From: randy.rote at gmail.com (Randy Rote) Date: Wed Sep 24 15:03:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <7ee95fff0809241224r44515f0fx3d7c10ff8fb65a0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <48DA7697.8080807@dhlake.com> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <48DA8AD5.9020302@internetsolver.com> <7ee95fff0809241224r44515f0fx3d7c10ff8fb65a0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DA9D04.60102@gmail.com> This may even be for a position within my group. I was originally hired to work primarily on Linux systems, but I ended up owning the big iron Solaris stuff. We typically do contract-to-hire, which is probably why there are so many dupes. Each contract house puts out their own copy. It's a big place though, so this could be for another group or special project. The 10+ years with 64-bit RH is hopefully just a poor translation from requirements. I always laugh at things like that. It probably started out as "10+ years with RH Linux" and something else about 64-bit installations. It's like a game of telephone where a rumor gets blown into something ridiculous. I remember around 2000, people were looking for Java developers with 10+ years of experience. -- Randy Rote Operating Systems Engineer Urbandale, IA Ken MacLeod wrote: > The position is real, it's at Wells Fargo Mortgage. Three openings > were posted last week and they're starting to look at resumes this > week. I've now had about 12 recruiters call me because I posted my > resume recently ;-) > > Re. the "10 years of [some specific thing that hasn't been around for > 10 years]" requirement, I've seen those pretty often and have always > taken it as "10 years of [experience leading up to doing today] [some > specific thing that hasn't been around for 10 years]". > > -- Ken > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From tdwalton at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 15:24:41 2008 From: tdwalton at gmail.com (Todd Walton) Date: Wed Sep 24 15:25:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] AAFUGIT Message-ID: Anybody heard of AAFUGIT? Anybody been to a meeting? -todd From dchampion at visionary.com Wed Sep 24 15:30:12 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Wed Sep 24 15:30:35 2008 Subject: [Cialug] AAFUGIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DAA354.6070800@visionary.com> There are several former members on this list. I attended 3 or 4 meetings over the years, and lurked the mailing list. Their doman is still their, I haven't seen an email on the mailing list since 5/15/2008. -dc Todd Walton wrote: > Anybody heard of AAFUGIT? Anybody been to a meeting? > > -todd > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From zach at kotlarek.com Wed Sep 24 15:49:04 2008 From: zach at kotlarek.com (Zachary Kotlarek) Date: Wed Sep 24 15:49:34 2008 Subject: [Cialug] AAFUGIT In-Reply-To: <48DAA354.6070800@visionary.com> References: <48DAA354.6070800@visionary.com> Message-ID: <5CB63BB0-37FC-4CB8-89AF-EAB3E68FA617@kotlarek.com> On Sep 24, 2008, at 3:30 PM, David Champion wrote: > There are several former members on this list. I attended 3 or 4 > meetings over the years, and lurked the mailing list. > > Their doman is still their, I haven't seen an email on the mailing > list since 5/15/2008. They became AmesFUG, and without the fun name it just wasn't worth going anymore. Zach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) >> Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) >> >> (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) > > All our RHEL 5 machines were just updated to 5.2 not so long ago. > > Or are you talking 5.2 before the Red Hat version restart? Ay-yup (You mean they're on a /second/ go-round?) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ From jeff at ocjtech.us Wed Sep 24 17:07:00 2008 From: jeff at ocjtech.us (Jeffrey Ollie) Date: Wed Sep 24 17:07:25 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <48DAAB52.1060201@iedu.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <200809241338.15756.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <48DAAB52.1060201@iedu.com> Message-ID: <935ead450809241507m34dbd248sb71d5d90658df0dc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Morris Dovey wrote: > Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >> >> On Wednesday September 24 2008 12:58, Morris Dovey wrote: >>> >>> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >>>> >>>> I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) >>> >>> Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) >>> >>> (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) >> >> All our RHEL 5 machines were just updated to 5.2 not so long ago. >> >> Or are you talking 5.2 before the Red Hat version restart? > > Ay-yup (You mean they're on a /second/ go-round?) Red Hat *Enterprise* Linux is currently on version 5.2. Fedora 10 is nearing release, which probably would have been something like Red Hat Linux 15 if they had released a version a year. -- Jeff Ollie "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Wed Sep 24 20:47:20 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Wed Sep 24 20:47:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays In-Reply-To: <48D91594.1040507@dhlake.com> References: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com><001801c91ad0$33ec8c70$6401a8c0@toshibauser> <48D91594.1040507@dhlake.com> Message-ID: <000001c91eb0$a64002a0$6401a8c0@toshibauser> I tried it again and it gave me the same error... Retry EL TORITO. Retry EL TORITO. Hard stop. And that's were it crashs. What could be so hard about trying to boot from this iso? Could it be I used Nero to burn the cd? It booted from the windows install cd just fine. -dh -----Original Message----- From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of James Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:13 AM To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Cialug] raid arrays -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Hockey wrote: | Recently I discovered the hard way the disadvantages of a raid 0 setup when | the number six drive died in a proliant 5500. That was mistake #1. | Mistake #2-I started moving drives around and that's when I really screwed | things up. The smart-2dh controller that ran things now complains that it | can't find any drives and that it needs to be reconfigured. I found a scsi | port on board and plugged the drives into that, after messing around for a | while, I know I have five good drives. | After googling around for several nights now I've figured out that need | something called a smartstart cd with all the setup utils on it. Thanks to | HP's rearranging of their web site all of the promising links I find no | longer exist. I did find an ftp that had smartstart-5.50-0 but after several | tries it appears to be a scrambled iso that doesn't work. | I did manage to reinstall 2k3 on one drive using the onboard controller and | windows now gives out individual drive letters for each drive. I'd like to | setup a mirrored raid but its looking like I can't with the onboard | controller. | Should I toss the smart-2dh and use thing better or keep looking for the | software to set it up right? ~ I probably have a smartstart CD image that would work for you... Or just download it from: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lan g=en&cc=US&swItem=MTX-597d7cb6b45d493285e27c1412&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeries Id=327479 James -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFI2RWU077ESUZudLMRAuWVAJsFTNY6279Rwiad6HqKr2duz0iwpgCfV7jQ WOf2DUy1XSspw/qyN+XfxYw= =FOQI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Cialug mailing list Cialug@cialug.org http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 25 00:37:08 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 25 00:37:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays In-Reply-To: <000001c91eb0$a64002a0$6401a8c0@toshibauser> References: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com><001801c91ad0$33ec8c70$6401a8c0@toshibauser> <48D91594.1040507@dhlake.com> <000001c91eb0$a64002a0$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: <48DB2384.80505@visionary.com> Did you try asking it "donde es el torito"? Does the SmartStart CD boot on other systems? -dc Dan Hockey wrote: > I tried it again and it gave me the same error... > Retry EL TORITO. > Retry EL TORITO. > Hard stop. > And that's were it crashs. What could be so hard about trying to boot from > this iso? Could it be I used Nero to burn the cd? It booted from the windows > install cd just fine. > -dh > > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf > Of James Shoemaker > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:13 AM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Cialug] raid arrays > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dan Hockey wrote: > | Recently I discovered the hard way the disadvantages of a raid 0 setup > when > | the number six drive died in a proliant 5500. That was mistake #1. > | Mistake #2-I started moving drives around and that's when I really screwed > | things up. The smart-2dh controller that ran things now complains that it > | can't find any drives and that it needs to be reconfigured. I found a scsi > | port on board and plugged the drives into that, after messing around for a > | while, I know I have five good drives. > | After googling around for several nights now I've figured out that need > | something called a smartstart cd with all the setup utils on it. Thanks to > | HP's rearranging of their web site all of the promising links I find no > | longer exist. I did find an ftp that had smartstart-5.50-0 but after > several > | tries it appears to be a scrambled iso that doesn't work. > | I did manage to reinstall 2k3 on one drive using the onboard > controller and > | windows now gives out individual drive letters for each drive. I'd like to > | setup a mirrored raid but its looking like I can't with the onboard > | controller. > | Should I toss the smart-2dh and use thing better or keep looking for the > | software to set it up right? > > ~ I probably have a smartstart CD image that would work for you... Or > just download it from: > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lan > g=en&cc=US&swItem=MTX-597d7cb6b45d493285e27c1412&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeries > Id=327479 > > James > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFI2RWU077ESUZudLMRAuWVAJsFTNY6279Rwiad6HqKr2duz0iwpgCfV7jQ > WOf2DUy1XSspw/qyN+XfxYw= > =FOQI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > From eric at eric.nu Thu Sep 25 08:58:15 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Thu Sep 25 08:58:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] raid arrays In-Reply-To: <000001c91eb0$a64002a0$6401a8c0@toshibauser> References: <7ee95fff0809190818x3ca6a662j72a6d8896dbc01d7@mail.gmail.com><001801c91ad0$33ec8c70$6401a8c0@toshibauser> <48D91594.1040507@dhlake.com> <000001c91eb0$a64002a0$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: <48DB98F7.8000409@eric.nu> Dan Hockey wrote: > I tried it again and it gave me the same error... > Retry EL TORITO. > Retry EL TORITO. > Hard stop. Using my Google-fu, I found that other people that had this problem were able to resolve this by attaching another CD-ROM drive and/or clearing the NVRAM. See http://tinyurl.com/4hpyus for the full discussion. Eric From tim06 at perdue.net Thu Sep 25 12:10:05 2008 From: tim06 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Thu Sep 25 12:10:21 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? Message-ID: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> I know this isn't really a LUG question, but there's a lot of technophiles on here. Has anyone found a good way to 'stream' a TV channel through their house? I want to be able to pipe the output from my DVR over my LAN so I can watch it on my laptop and desktop. I don't really think a TV Tuner in each PC will work since I have satellite. I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 25 12:25:24 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 25 12:25:48 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: VLC might be able to do what you want. It might be cheaper to get an agile RF modulator or look at one of those companies that makes an agile modulator combined with remote IR control. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Perdue > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? > > I know this isn't really a LUG question, but there's a lot of > technophiles on here. Has anyone found a good way to 'stream' a TV > channel through their house? I want to be able to pipe the output from > my DVR over my LAN so I can watch it on my laptop and desktop. I don't > really think a TV Tuner in each PC will work since I have satellite. > > I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Thu Sep 25 12:26:52 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Thu Sep 25 12:26:56 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: Oops forgot who I was talking to. VLC has several add-ons for controlling it remotely, web, telnet etc., bet you could make that work. -Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org > [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Perdue > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group > Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? > > I know this isn't really a LUG question, but there's a lot of > technophiles on here. Has anyone found a good way to 'stream' a TV > channel through their house? I want to be able to pipe the output from > my DVR over my LAN so I can watch it on my laptop and desktop. I don't > really think a TV Tuner in each PC will work since I have satellite. > > I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 25 12:35:18 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 25 12:35:42 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: <48DBCBD6.4040109@visionary.com> Wouldn't MythTV work for this as well? Also... since I know Tim has a PS3... anything that can do UPnP / DLNA streaming can potentially be accessed as a media stream on the PS3... with the caveat that the source has to be in a format that the PS3 can play. I've messed with this using MediaTomb, and the WinAmp media server thing. -dc Nathan C. Smith wrote: > VLC might be able to do what you want. It might be cheaper to get an agile RF modulator or look at one of those companies that makes an agile modulator combined with remote IR control. > > -Nate > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cialug-bounces@cialug.org >> [mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Perdue >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:10 PM >> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group >> Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? >> >> I know this isn't really a LUG question, but there's a lot of >> technophiles on here. Has anyone found a good way to 'stream' a TV >> channel through their house? I want to be able to pipe the output from >> my DVR over my LAN so I can watch it on my laptop and desktop. I don't >> really think a TV Tuner in each PC will work since I have satellite. >> >> I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080925/1735c18d/attachment.html From tim06 at perdue.net Thu Sep 25 13:01:14 2008 From: tim06 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Thu Sep 25 13:01:31 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBCBD6.4040109@visionary.com> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> <48DBCBD6.4040109@visionary.com> Message-ID: <48DBD1EA.5010802@perdue.net> David Champion wrote: > Wouldn't MythTV work for this as well? > > Also... since I know Tim has a PS3... anything that can do UPnP / DLNA > streaming can potentially be accessed as a media stream on the PS3... > with the caveat that the source has to be in a format that the PS3 can > play. I've messed with this using MediaTomb, and the WinAmp media server > thing. I'm looking for minimal complexity so that rules out a mythtv box. Someone somewhere has probably got a little svideo -> ethernet widget that does what I have in mind. The videolan project is probably the closest thing I'm finding so far, but I need a pc with video input to make the stream server. Once that's in place, this would be exactly what I want (watching a channel anywhere on any PC/laptop) I'm basically looking for a way to get CNBC on my laptop and desktop with minimal headache ;-) I can't believe NBC doesn't have that service. From tim_linux at wilson-home.com Thu Sep 25 13:01:42 2008 From: tim_linux at wilson-home.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Thu Sep 25 13:02:06 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: <5a9568c20809251101r67c74c47le582eb8ee3b2ef71@mail.gmail.com> I don't have the signal going to my computers, but I do have it going to other TVs. My house is wired for cable TV. When I added satellite, I still had cable modem, so they could not reuse the cable TV coax coming into the house. Previously, I had a cable run plugged into the "RF in" on my standalone Tivo. I moved it to the out, and made the necessary move on the other end for the splitter. I also added a signal amp between the Tivo and the splitter, just to be safe. Now, I can watch what ever is on my standalone Tivo in every room of the house. I also purchased an RF remote so I could change the channels. So my RF remote controls the Tivo, which controls the DirecTV receiver via an IR blaster. I don't know if your DVR puts out a signal on the coax out. If it does, you could do the same thing. Then the TV tuner cards in your computers would also be able to receive the signal. On an unrelated note, I saw this at geeks.com: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-01A&cm_mmc=geekmail-_-daily_html-_-25sep08_SEPHD-_-SEPHDproduct It takes a laptop hard drive, and plays videos, mp3s, and pictures to a TV or to a monitor. Plus it is still a USB mass storage device. Pretty cool. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Tim Perdue wrote: > I know this isn't really a LUG question, but there's a lot of technophiles > on here. Has anyone found a good way to 'stream' a TV channel through their > house? I want to be able to pipe the output from my DVR over my LAN so I can > watch it on my laptop and desktop. I don't really think a TV Tuner in each > PC will work since I have satellite. > > I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080925/fb57b33b/attachment.htm From eric at eric.nu Thu Sep 25 13:15:14 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Thu Sep 25 13:15:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> Tim Perdue wrote: > I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? Yes, a slingbox can stream live television. Slingbox would be the easiest option. From tim06 at perdue.net Thu Sep 25 14:06:24 2008 From: tim06 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Thu Sep 25 14:06:40 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> Message-ID: <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> Eric Junker wrote: > Tim Perdue wrote: >> I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? > > Yes, a slingbox can stream live television. Slingbox would be the > easiest option. This looks like a possibility too: http://myhava.com/product_hava_gold_30.html?gclid=CPepz-_Q95UCFRKIxwodLCm23w From dchampion at visionary.com Thu Sep 25 14:11:30 2008 From: dchampion at visionary.com (David Champion) Date: Thu Sep 25 14:11:53 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> Message-ID: <48DBE262.1010700@visionary.com> I also just saw an announcement the other day for the new Slingbox HD, if hi-def is important to you. Go search on engadget.com - there are lots of media player / set top box devices announce there all the time. -dc Tim Perdue wrote: > Eric Junker wrote: >> Tim Perdue wrote: >>> I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? >> >> Yes, a slingbox can stream live television. Slingbox would be the >> easiest option. > > This looks like a possibility too: > > http://myhava.com/product_hava_gold_30.html?gclid=CPepz-_Q95UCFRKIxwodLCm23w > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From newz at bearfruit.org Thu Sep 25 14:23:28 2008 From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum) Date: Thu Sep 25 14:23:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Tim Perdue wrote: > I know this isn't really a LUG question, but there's a lot of technophiles > on here. Has anyone found a good way to 'stream' a TV channel through their > house? I want to be able to pipe the output from my DVR over my LAN so I can > watch it on my laptop and desktop. I don't really think a TV Tuner in each > PC will work since I have satellite. > > I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? Tom Pohl had a piece of hardware that did this. I think it may have been something like this: http://www.smarthome.com/7704CM/Channel-Plus-4-Channel-Modulator/p.aspx I think the key word to search for is modulator. It takes an a/v source and puts it onto a tv channel of your choosing that can then be watched on any tv in the house. So if you set it for channel 64 then just go to another tv, change to 64 and you're set. Get a rf remote extender and you can control your DVD from any room. My Satellite tv dvr actually has this built in. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode From tim06 at perdue.net Thu Sep 25 14:36:22 2008 From: tim06 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Thu Sep 25 14:36:39 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBE262.1010700@visionary.com> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> <48DBE262.1010700@visionary.com> Message-ID: <48DBE836.30407@perdue.net> David Champion wrote: > I also just saw an announcement the other day for the new Slingbox HD, > if hi-def is important to you. > > Go search on engadget.com - there are lots of media player / set top box > devices announce there all the time. I went ahead and ordered the Hava HD. $150 gadget that does exactly what I was wanting. From eric at eric.nu Thu Sep 25 14:56:18 2008 From: eric at eric.nu (Eric Junker) Date: Thu Sep 25 14:56:44 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> Message-ID: <48DBECE2.4040809@eric.nu> Matthew Nuzum wrote: > It takes an a/v source and puts it onto a tv channel of your choosing > that can then be watched on any tv in the house. So if you set it for > channel 64 then just go to another tv, change to 64 and you're set. > Get a rf remote extender and you can control your DVD from any room. You can get cheap RF modulators at Wal-Mart or RadioShack though they usually only modulate channels 3 and 4. I run the S-video out of my computer into an RF modulator and then coax into the wall. Then in another room I can see what is on the computer screen if I turn the TV to channel 3. Note: I don't have cable/dish so I don't know how well that would work if there were 2 different signals both on the channel 3 frequency. Then I use an iPod Touch as a WiFi remote by installing a VNC client application on the iPod and and VNC server on the computer. Another option if you are using VLC to play your media is to enable the Web interface for VLC. Then just use any device with a web browser such as a cell phone to control VLC player. Eric From chris at ia.gov Fri Sep 26 08:25:36 2008 From: chris at ia.gov (chris) Date: Fri Sep 26 08:26:32 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> Message-ID: <48DCE2D0.7040101@ia.gov> Tim Perdue wrote: > Eric Junker wrote: >> Tim Perdue wrote: >>> I'm not sure slingbox really does this with live DVR output does it? >> >> Yes, a slingbox can stream live television. Slingbox would be the >> easiest option. > > This looks like a possibility too: > > http://myhava.com/product_hava_gold_30.html?gclid=CPepz-_Q95UCFRKIxwodLCm23w > If you have not already committed yourself in one direction, I think this might fit the bill for you. I have two of them that I use constantly. VLC works as a fronted, both on windows and Linux. They send a mpeg stream over Ethernet to a subscribing client and have two tuners (and streams) available. Price is around $155. They take about 2 minutes to set up. http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun crr From nathan.smith at ipmvs.com Fri Sep 26 13:50:17 2008 From: nathan.smith at ipmvs.com (Nathan C. Smith) Date: Fri Sep 26 13:50:41 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Rack Mount DLT drives Message-ID: I have a Compaq Storage works DLT (3?) 2 x 40/80 GB SCSI rack mounted drive system I would like to give away. It fits in a 4 post Compaq server rack, and probably many others, and has two drive units. I think it is 4 or 5 rack units tall. This offer includes the drive housing, the two DLT drives, and rack rails. Everything is in good working order. After Oct 1. it goes to the recycler, first come, first served. -Nate From tim06 at perdue.net Fri Sep 26 14:37:52 2008 From: tim06 at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Fri Sep 26 14:38:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] TV->LAN Streaming? In-Reply-To: <48DBE836.30407@perdue.net> References: <48DBC5ED.1070502@perdue.net> <48DBD532.3050808@eric.nu> <48DBE130.1090908@perdue.net> <48DBE262.1010700@visionary.com> <48DBE836.30407@perdue.net> Message-ID: <48DD3A10.7040801@perdue.net> > I went ahead and ordered the Hava HD. $150 gadget that does exactly what > I was wanting. I got this and it was really easy to set up - basically inserting it between the video out on the satellite and video in on the TV, hooking up ethernet and installing the software on the PC. The software automatically detects the device on the network. From atporter at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 16:56:00 2008 From: atporter at gmail.com (Aaron Porter) Date: Sat Sep 27 16:56:24 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Shameless Plug In-Reply-To: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com> References: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <667aab920809271456q7ccb2affq2c87915404834c43@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Porter wrote: > My employer (Pandora) is going to be having a meetup in Des Moines on > Monday, October 13th. The location and start time are still being > sorted out, but if you're interested in an admittedly very light on > tech details presentation about the products of a cool Linux loving > company (and probably some free swag to boot), you can RSVP to > tour@pandora.com with "DES MOINES" in the Subject line. The time & location: When: Monday, October 13th, 2008 @ 7:00 PM Where: 4th Street Theater (adjacent to Java Joe's CoffeeHouse), 214 4th Street Des Moines, IA From gocyclones at eml.cc Sat Sep 27 22:12:24 2008 From: gocyclones at eml.cc (Matt Millard) Date: Sat Sep 27 22:12:47 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Re: Shameless Plug In-Reply-To: <667aab920809271456q7ccb2affq2c87915404834c43@mail.gmail.com> References: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920809271456q7ccb2affq2c87915404834c43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222571544.31297.1276333489@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:56:00 -0700, "Aaron Porter" said: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Porter > wrote: > > My employer (Pandora) is going to be having a meetup in Des Moines > > on Monday, October 13th. The location and start time are still being > > sorted out, but if you're interested in an admittedly very light on > > tech details presentation about the products of a cool Linux loving > > company (and probably some free swag to boot), you can RSVP to > > tour@pandora.com with "DES MOINES" in the Subject line. > > The time & location: > > When: Monday, October 13th, 2008 @ 7:00 PM Where: 4th Street Theater > (adjacent to Java Joe's CoffeeHouse), 214 4th Street Des Moines, IA > _______________________________________________ Is there an event listed for this on http://upcoming.yahoo.com? or anywhere else were we can confirm attendance? I'm sure I could get a bunch of the #dmtweetup group to show up if I had something to point them at. Matt --- Matt Millard gocyclones@eml.cc http://photos.millardfam.com http://snipurl.com/mattsshareditems From icepuck2k at mchsi.com Mon Sep 29 18:45:36 2008 From: icepuck2k at mchsi.com (Dan Hockey) Date: Mon Sep 29 18:46:07 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Nero TivoPc In-Reply-To: <1222571544.31297.1276333489@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com><667aab920809271456q7ccb2affq2c87915404834c43@mail.gmail.com> <1222571544.31297.1276333489@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <000301c9228d$7887f940$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Has anyone else seen this yet? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080929-hands-on-neros-liquidtv-tivo-f or-your-pc.html -dh From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 08:11:46 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Tue Sep 30 08:12:12 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Nero TivoPc In-Reply-To: <000301c9228d$7887f940$6401a8c0@toshibauser> References: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920809271456q7ccb2affq2c87915404834c43@mail.gmail.com> <1222571544.31297.1276333489@webmail.messagingengine.com> <000301c9228d$7887f940$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: Yes. Now if they'd just let me switch my lifetime subscription without paying half the cost again.... On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > Has anyone else seen this yet? > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080929-hands-on-neros-liquidtv-tivo-f > or-your-pc.html > -dh > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now if they'd just let me switch my lifetime subscription without > paying half the cost again.... > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: > >> Has anyone else seen this yet? >> >> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080929-hands-on-neros-liquidtv-tivo-f >> or-your-pc.html >> -dh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080930/b76eca79/attachment.html From brandongriffis at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 12:10:26 2008 From: brandongriffis at gmail.com (Brandon Griffis) Date: Tue Sep 30 12:10:50 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <935ead450809241507m34dbd248sb71d5d90658df0dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <200809241338.15756.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <48DAAB52.1060201@iedu.com> <935ead450809241507m34dbd248sb71d5d90658df0dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9089dcd30809301010pd52089ai1625d70a27ac5427@mail.gmail.com> Been busy for the past few days and only just noticed this tread. Totally made my day in the "it's funny because it's true, but it's not funny because it's true" kind of way. IT job hunting is awful from both sides. On one you have those asking for 10+ years professional experience with RHEL 64-bit (LOL worthy), and on the other you have people listing off every application they've ever loaded on their computer ONCE on their resumes. Just read an article the other day that claimed IT was the 2nd worst field for people putting outright lies on their resumes. The worst? Healthcare. Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? -B On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Morris Dovey wrote: > > Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > >> > >> On Wednesday September 24 2008 12:58, Morris Dovey wrote: > >>> > >>> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) > >>> > >>> Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) > >>> > >>> (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) > >> > >> All our RHEL 5 machines were just updated to 5.2 not so long ago. > >> > >> Or are you talking 5.2 before the Red Hat version restart? > > > > Ay-yup (You mean they're on a /second/ go-round?) > > Red Hat *Enterprise* Linux is currently on version 5.2. Fedora 10 is > nearing release, which probably would have been something like Red Hat > Linux 15 if they had released a version a year. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080930/909c28d3/attachment.htm From morej at alliancetechnologies.net Tue Sep 30 12:13:00 2008 From: morej at alliancetechnologies.net (Josh More) Date: Tue Sep 30 12:13:45 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting Message-ID: <48E217CC0200002E0002B1FE@alliancetechnologies.net> I have over 31 years of experience having a body... that qualifies me to be a doctor, right? -Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP, GIAC morej@alliancetechnologies.net 515-245-7701 >>> "Brandon Griffis" 09/30/08 12:10 PM >>> Been busy for the past few days and only just noticed this tread. Totally made my day in the "it's funny because it's true, but it's not funny because it's true" kind of way. IT job hunting is awful from both sides. On one you have those asking for 10+ years professional experience with RHEL 64-bit (LOL worthy), and on the other you have people listing off every application they've ever loaded on their computer ONCE on their resumes. Just read an article the other day that claimed IT was the 2nd worst field for people putting outright lies on their resumes. The worst? Healthcare. Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? -B On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Morris Dovey wrote: > > Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: > >> > >> On Wednesday September 24 2008 12:58, Morris Dovey wrote: > >>> > >>> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) > >>> > >>> Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) > >>> > >>> (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) > >> > >> All our RHEL 5 machines were just updated to 5.2 not so long ago. > >> > >> Or are you talking 5.2 before the Red Hat version restart? > > > > Ay-yup (You mean they're on a /second/ go-round?) > > Red Hat *Enterprise* Linux is currently on version 5.2. Fedora 10 is > nearing release, which probably would have been something like Red Hat > Linux 15 if they had released a version a year. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then > I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the > terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve > them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and > unfairness of the universe." > > -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > From barry at vonahsen.com Tue Sep 30 12:46:28 2008 From: barry at vonahsen.com (Barry Von Ahsen) Date: Tue Sep 30 12:46:51 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Linux Job Posting In-Reply-To: <9089dcd30809301010pd52089ai1625d70a27ac5427@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DA23D10200002E0002AED4@alliancetechnologies.net> <7DCFFCCC-0815-488F-9FB2-4F2BB3BA09E7@kotlarek.com> <48DA7FB6.7000002@iedu.com> <200809241338.15756.daniel.ramaley@drake.edu> <48DAAB52.1060201@iedu.com> <935ead450809241507m34dbd248sb71d5d90658df0dc@mail.gmail.com> <9089dcd30809301010pd52089ai1625d70a27ac5427@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E265F4.1090707@vonahsen.com> Brandon Griffis wrote: > IT job hunting is awful from both sides. On one you have those asking for > 10+ years professional experience with RHEL 64-bit (LOL worthy), and on the > other you have people listing off every application they've ever loaded on > their computer ONCE on their resumes. > I always figure they post a bunch of impossible or conflicting skill sets, then list a wide salary range, so they can say you only match x% of the skills, so we'll only offer you x% (or less than x) of the top salary > Just read an article the other day that claimed IT was the 2nd worst field > for people putting outright lies on their resumes. > > The worst? Healthcare. > > Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? yes, but turns out it was the hospital-acquired infection I got :) -barry > -B > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Morris Dovey wrote: >>> Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: >>>> On Wednesday September 24 2008 12:58, Morris Dovey wrote: >>>>> Zachary Kotlarek wrote: >>>>>> I didn't forget. I just assumed no one would admit to it. ;-) >>>>> Ok - I have one in my shop. :-) >>>>> >>>>> (And I'm running RH 5.2 on another machine there.) >>>> All our RHEL 5 machines were just updated to 5.2 not so long ago. >>>> >>>> Or are you talking 5.2 before the Red Hat version restart? >>> Ay-yup (You mean they're on a /second/ go-round?) >> Red Hat *Enterprise* Linux is currently on version 5.2. Fedora 10 is >> nearing release, which probably would have been something like Red Hat >> Linux 15 if they had released a version a year. >> >> -- >> Jeff Ollie >> >> "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then >> I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the >> terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve >> them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and >> unfairness of the universe." >> >> -- Marcus to Franklin in Babylon 5: "A Late Delivery from Avalon" >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug From jrnosee at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 15:04:21 2008 From: jrnosee at gmail.com (jrnosee@gmail.com) Date: Tue Sep 30 15:04:46 2008 Subject: [Cialug] Nero TivoPc In-Reply-To: <5a9568c20809300833v1dcdef18u10e0e625d302b725@mail.gmail.com> References: <667aab920809231545p2ce935baj5e6a88a6deffe14d@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920809271456q7ccb2affq2c87915404834c43@mail.gmail.com> <1222571544.31297.1276333489@webmail.messagingengine.com> <000301c9228d$7887f940$6401a8c0@toshibauser> <5a9568c20809300833v1dcdef18u10e0e625d302b725@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At the risk of death by stoning at the hands of CIALUG...I'd just like to say that I'm running Vista x64 on my home PC (I'm a gamer...sue me!...no don't, really, I'm broke) and I've had no problems with it. I do reboot my PC from time to time, but for the most part it's always on. 1-2 months without a reboot, and at that my reboots have all been voluntary (no BSOD's). If all it was doing was TiVo, I don't think there would be much of a problem as long as the hardware was indeed built to handle it. Sadly, I think my TiVo's been restarted more than my PC has recently. I think it's getting old. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tim Wilson wrote: > While it is intriguing, I think I'll stick with my Tivo. I don't have to > reboot my Tivo as often as I have to reboot my Windows PC. Of course, this > does open up the possibilities for new TV shows. I can see it now: NYPD > Blue Screen of Death :) > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 AM, wrote: > >> Yes. Now if they'd just let me switch my lifetime subscription without >> paying half the cost again.... >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Dan Hockey wrote: >> >>> Has anyone else seen this yet? >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080929-hands-on-neros-liquidtv-tivo-f >>> or-your-pc.html >>> -dh >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cialug mailing list >>> Cialug@cialug.org >>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cialug mailing list >> Cialug@cialug.org >> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug >> >> > > > -- > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Cialug mailing list > Cialug@cialug.org > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cialug.org/pipermail/cialug/attachments/20080930/564fa209/attachment.html