[Cialug] Apple and Intel
chris129 at cs.iastate.edu
Wed Jun 8 10:22:09 CDT 2005
I can agree with that statement. But there are a lot of practical,
non-forward thinking, geeks out their who like OS X enough to forget the
that Apple is selling it ;). I think that Apple said their system would
be incompatible, and Apple hardware is one of the big attractors for
geeks so Apple might even lose a few people while they gain some. I
don't think a great deal will change here; except that we might see a
Mac API emulation (not really emulation) project start up.
I wouldn't worry about Linux' ability to take this one on the shoulder
and keep on truckin; it seems it always has. Maybe now more people with
Mac's will run linux because they'll have a good compiler (I've heard a
lot of complaints about gcc on PPC).
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:17 -0500, Theron Conrey wrote:
> From a hardware perspective it's pretty interesting stuff but,
> no matter what happens the situation remains the same.
> OSX still isn't free, so the impact (hoepfully) will be minimal at best.
> D. Joe Anderson wrote:
> >On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:35:02PM -0500, Bryan Baker wrote:
> >>On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> >>>So here's a stupid question - what kind of thing will keep me
> >>>from buying Mac OS and slapping it on any Intel box? I
> >>>thought all the stuff that used to be in ROM no longer was.
> >>>What will distinguish an Apple from any other machine?
> >>I'm betting they will have a hand at least in the mobo design, they
> >>do a bunch of their own ASICs, etc. and they have been using
> >>OpenFirmware - not BIOS, but that may change now, but I bet there'll
> >>be other diff's - that said I give it a couple weeks before someone
> >>comes out w/ a hack, but you can bet it won't get support.
> >That, and what this guy said (after you skip down past all the
> >license flamewar cruft) in
> > Mac OS X's demographic is precisely the opposite of those
> > with enough technical skill to hack and/or patch enough of
> > their operating system to make it run on non-Apple hardware.
> > Even if someone managed to make that work, and found a way
> > to hack in driver support, either through some Rube Goldberg
> > linux-driver-wrapper horseshit or other, it wouldn't be
> > terribly useful to terribly many people who leave their
> > basement on a regular basis.
> >The "not [...] terribly many people" who would be interested in
> >doing this are pretty much the Mac fans who inhabit Linux and
> >other free OS mailing lists like this one--a minority of a
> >minority. Heck, I figure I probably know the majority of these
> >people who live in Iowa ;-)
> >ie, not enough to affect their market significantly.
> >outside of this, the Mac customers are either going to be the
> >ricer-wannabees who might think the hack is cool, but who don't
> >have the time/skill/whatever to actually apply it, and the
> >people like the ones Valentine mentions above, who want their
> >sealed-box to Just Work, they don't care how, and you can't make
> >them care.
> >The main thing is that someone who does care, and who does have
> >the skill to apply the hacks isn't going to be able to hang out
> >a shingle and go into business selling beige boxes that have
> >been Macified. The Clone Wars have already been fought, we know
> >how that turned out, and that was before the DMCA.
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