[Cialug] Wives
Theron Conrey
theron at conrey.org
Thu Jun 2 13:38:00 CDT 2005
*jealousy ensues*
Major Stubble wrote:
>As I am most proud of telling my friends, my wife uses vim, and writes
>her emails in mutt.
>
>-Nick
>
>On 6/2/05, Rocket Robin Hood <jason at benalto.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My wife is even more computer illiterate than myself. When I got real sick of
>>windows and changed over to Linux she just about had a fit...so many times
>>during my trial by fire she kept threatening to throw me and/or the computer
>>our of the house. But at least with Linux, once I DID get everything setup it
>>worked all the time....none of this constant maintenance. She refuses to open
>>term windows and stuff like that, but I just set her up with KDE and icons
>>for her newsgroups/chat/mail/web and off she goes.
>>
>>-jason
>>
>>On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:16, chris129 at cs.iastate.edu wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Most people solve your wife's problem by paying a mechanic $60 an hour
>>>(even though the mechanic only gets maybe $20ish) ;). I'm not suggesting
>>>that by any stretch though.
>>>The only thing not elegant about installing Java and flash in a distro by
>>>default is political; so that's not too big a deal. I'm surprised Mandrake
>>>doesn't do this actually.
>>>Maybe we'll see jre and flash autopackages soon!
>>>
>>>Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would agree with your first statement slightly revised:
>>>>
>>>>I'm correct but that doesn't make it right.
>>>>
>>>>My wife cares nought about the OS she only needs to accomplish tasks
>>>>A,B, and C. She dosen't want nor need to learn anything else. When I
>>>>buy a standard transmission toyota, I'd like to take the skills I've
>>>>learned in operating that vehicle and believe that I can use the basics
>>>>when learning to drive a standard lambourghini. The more different it
>>>>is, the longer it takes me to learn how to use the car. That dosen't
>>>>mean that I need to work "under the hood" to get it from point A to
>>>>point "B". The fact is that the article (as are all good projects)
>>>>requirement based. if a requirement is to have basic windows users
>>>>comfortable with the system, the closer it looks to windows the
>>>>likelyhood of it's success increases. Not saying that it's an ideal
>>>>solution or an elegant one, just that it's the reality that's upon us..
>>>>BTW, my wife thinks that if she needs to learn how to change the oil or
>>>>adjust the timimg of a vehicle to drive, then she'd rather
>>>>walk.............. It translate = to computers.....
>>>>
>>>>chris129 at cs.iastate.edu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You're right, but that doesn't make it ok ;).
>>>>>One: People who believe this should be exposed to the outside world..
>>>>>There
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a time when most people thought involuntary-debtless slavery was normal;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>never made it optimal, right, ok, truly legal, or anything else. This
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>such a big deal, after all it's just a computer not a human; but
>>>>>sometimes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>have to make drastic analogies to get people's attention.
>>>>>My point is that it's very rude to come to someone and say: "Your
>>>>>product
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>tool of choice is not good because it doesn't behave like the other
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>product."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Like telling someone their Lambourghini is awful because it's a stick
>>>>>shift
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>(if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm up to speed these only come in manual)...
>>>>>
>>>>>People should be willing to read and learn compact things (and how to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>execute
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>shells, and all other executables in unix is very compact) to get
>>>>>something
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>new
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>or different.
>>>>>
>>>>>She is right about Java installs though, if your distribution doesn't do
>>>>>it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>you it is a very hairy process for the newb (although I've seen newbs do
>>>>>it)...
>>>>>
>>>>>Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Not rude at all, because you've missed the point. His wife wants to
>>>>>>use a computer that just works. Linux vs. Windows unimportant to the
>>>>>>non techie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However if the only thing a non techie uses for work is windows, and
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>to live with that person and fix thier computer problems, it helps to
>>>>>>be proficient. I am (nor the spouse of the author of that article)
>>>>>>not a windows admin. or a user. So when things broke on my wife's
>>>>>>laptop the beratment was severe since I earn a living as a "computer
>>>>>>guy" and should know how to fix these "simple" problems. So when
>>>>>>windows problems occured
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>was the guy that had to fix it in my home.
>>>>>>The issue is about 2 things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One: most computer users (emph. users) assume that all computers behave
>>>>>>as windows does and when they don't thier broken. Nasty truth.
>>>>>>Two: the guy want's to get his (and i did with mine) wife on a
>>>>>>different platform so that I work less on fixing her computer. Saying
>>>>>>that however does not imply anything about liking anything. It merely
>>>>>>states that what the user is "used too" is windows, simply because
>>>>>>thats all they've seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Theron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: chris129 at cs.iastate.edu
>>>>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:16:07 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Am I the only one who saw lots of characters on that page that don't
>>>>>>exist
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>set? Lots of "A^" all over the place with an occasional epsilon...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway, the reviews are ok. But this part is a bit obnoxious:
>>>>>>"Remember, I am the average Windows user and I want things to work just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>like
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>they would in Windows."
>>>>>>Frankly, when people have that attitude I tell them the perfect
>>>>>>"distro"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>them is Windows ;).
>>>>>>Not to be rude, but if you like Windows you might as well use it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adding to what is posted below there is a great article about
>>>>>>>different distros and thier ease of use written by a Geeks spouse..
>>>>>>>Not saying that it's a bad thing but similar articles helped my house
>>>>>>>(wife chose not to veto) become free.
>>>>>>>Theron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I believe that this forum will snip me, but here goes
>>>>>>>http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/categories/4-Reviews
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and if it does it's at the linux-blog.org site under reviews... Good
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Theron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: David Champion <dave at visionary.com>
>>>>>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:55:34 -0500
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Welcome to the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FYI, there are Linux / Free Unix groups in Ames and Cedar Falls:
>>>>>>>http://www.amesfug.org
>>>>>>>http://www.cedarlug.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We should plan some joint meetings with AmesFUG for this summer!
>>>>>>>Actually, stay tuned for an announcement for the June 15th meeting,
>>>>>>>I'm guessing some of the Ames people may be interested in something
>>>>>>>we have in the works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For you new users, here's my quick rundown of newbie friendly
>>>>>>>distributions in order of friendliness:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Knoppix (bootable "live cd", no install needed)
>>>>>>>Mandriva (was: Mandrake)
>>>>>>>Ubuntu (has either a "live" cd or an installable CD)
>>>>>>>Suse (the "free" version requires an FTP install, which is a pain)
>>>>>>>Fedora (the free redhat)
>>>>>>>Debian
>>>>>>>....
>>>>>>>Slackware
>>>>>>>....
>>>>>>>Writing your own distro from scratch
>>>>>>>Gentoo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm sure if you ask, someone will burn you a CD of the latest version
>>>>>>>of any of those. I personally have the latest Mandriva 2005 LE (aka
>>>>>>>Mandrake 10.2), and I have a bunch of the previous version of Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>p.s. :
>>>>>>>We're supposed to be planning an Installfest, which would be handy for
>>>>>>>all of these n00bs, but don't have a location or a date yet. Get on
>>>>>>>the stick, you Installfest planners! Let me know if you need the
>>>>>>>contact info for the Nevlyn Center in Ankeny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-dc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim Asbille wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wednesday 01 June 2005 17:45, Travis Beaty wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm also fond of SuSE. I use 9.3, I purchased a copy for $12. I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>started
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Debian and then Red Hat but as a newbie I had trouble so I purchased
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>SuSE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>9.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>which I heard had a great install and excellent out of the box
>>>>>>>>hardware support. I'm hooked now because I'm getting better at
>>>>>>>>using Yast and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>comfortable with how well everything works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wednesday 01 June 2005 06:01 pm, albus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Welcome Michael.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hello All!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since we are introducing ourselves, I suppose it is time for me to
>>>>>>>>>come
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of lurker mode and say "Hi!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm from the teeny weenie town of Osage, northeast of Mason City..
>>>>>>>>>I signed up as I was out looking for lugs close to me -- there is
>>>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>one
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>that I am aware of which is closer to me than Des Moines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As far as my knowledge of Linux, I guess I would characterize myself
>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the "high side of newbie." My story of how I was introduced to
>>>>>>>>>Linux
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>embarrassing and humorous, as I am probably the only person in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>known
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>universe who has ever *accidentally* installed Linux. This happened
>>>>>>>>>in 2000, and I was so impressed with what I saw, I've never gone
>>>>>>>>>back to Windows. (FYI, it was Mandrake 7.2 that I installed.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's really embarrassing. My machismo commands me to shut up about
>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At any rate, I would suggest looking at SuSE. I am now currently
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>running
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>9.2 on my laptop, and it is very nice. 9.3 is out, but I haven't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>yet, apart from installing KDE 3.4 on my system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm sure there will be others that would argue pro or con about
>>>>>>>>>SuSE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>that great! It's really a personal thing, what I've gained from my
>>>>>>>>>own personal experiences with Linux. If [insert Linux distro here]
>>>>>>>>>works
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you, that's super!! But keep in mind too that there are MANY high
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>quality
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>distros out there that are free, and very good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Welcome to the Linux world. I think you will like it here!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Travis Beaty
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>P.S. At some point, I'll try to get to a meeting, but it is quite a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>ways
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to drive for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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