From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 02:03:48 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:03:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411302003310.29026@charmed.internetsolver.com>

If you have Mediacom in West Des Moines, check out channel 7.

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Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 15:57:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:57:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411302003310.29026@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <20041201155723.47581.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com>

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Dave what's on channel 7?
 
Dave Stout
Student

Dave Weis <djweis@sjdjweis.com> wrote:

If you have Mediacom in West Des Moines, check out channel 7.

-- 
Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
encroachments of those in power than by violent
and sudden usurpations."- James Madison
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<DIV>Dave what's on channel 7?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Dave Stout</DIV>
<DIV>Student<BR><BR><B><I>Dave Weis &lt;djweis@sjdjweis.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>If you have Mediacom in West Des Moines, check out channel 7.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment<BR>djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent<BR>encroachments of those in power than by violent<BR>and sudden usurpations."- James Madison<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Cialug mailing list<BR>Cialug@cialug.org<BR>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
		<hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> 
<a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/security/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html">Yahoo! Mail</a> - You care about security. So do we.
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 17:29:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:29:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <20041201155723.47581.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201155723.47581.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412011128390.9099@charmed.internetsolver.com>

public access showing power point on the "send error report to microsoft" 
screen.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, David Stout wrote:

> Dave what's on channel 7?
>
> Dave Stout
> Student
>
> Dave Weis <djweis@sjdjweis.com> wrote:
>
> If you have Mediacom in West Des Moines, check out channel 7.
>
> --
> Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
> djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
> encroachments of those in power than by violent
> and sudden usurpations."- James Madison
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 17:41:29 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:41:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412011128390.9099@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <20041201174129.13317.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com>

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Cool, when will it air again?

Dave Weis <djweis@sjdjweis.com> wrote:
public access showing power point on the "send error report to microsoft" 
screen.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, David Stout wrote:

> Dave what's on channel 7?
>
> Dave Stout
> Student
>
> Dave Weis wrote:
>
> If you have Mediacom in West Des Moines, check out channel 7.
>
> --
> Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
> djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
> encroachments of those in power than by violent
> and sudden usurpations."- James Madison
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

-- 
Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
encroachments of those in power than by violent
and sudden usurpations."- James Madison
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug



David Stout
Business Forms Analyst & Student

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<DIV>Cool, when will it air again?<BR><BR><B><I>Dave Weis &lt;djweis@sjdjweis.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>public access showing power point on the "send error report to microsoft" <BR>screen.<BR><BR>On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, David Stout wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Dave what's on channel 7?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Dave Stout<BR>&gt; Student<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Dave Weis <DJWEIS@SJDJWEIS.COM>wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; If you have Mediacom in West Des Moines, check out channel 7.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; --<BR>&gt; Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment<BR>&gt; djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent<BR>&gt; encroachments of those in power than by violent<BR>&gt; and sudden usurpations."- James Madison<BR>&gt; _______________________________________________<BR>&gt; Cialug mailing list<BR>&gt; Cialug@cialug.org<BR>&gt; http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ---------------------------------<BR>&gt; Do you Yahoo!?<BR>&gt; Yahoo! Mail - You care
 about security. So do we.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment<BR>djweis@sjdjweis.com of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent<BR>encroachments of those in power than by violent<BR>and sudden usurpations."- James Madison<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Cialug mailing list<BR>Cialug@cialug.org<BR>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>David Stout<br>Business Forms Analyst &amp; Student<br><br>There is alot of power in being powerless<p>
		<hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> 
The <a href="http://my.yahoo.com">all-new My Yahoo!</a> – What will yours do?
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 19:05:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (tony geerts)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:05:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <20041201174129.13317.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041201190521.99849.qmail@web20424.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Stout <ragbrai65@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Cool, when will it air again?

I think you meant.
When will it error again?

tony


	
		
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 19:08:11 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:08:11 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <20041201174129.13317.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041201174129.13317.qmail@web54010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <583F1222-43CC-11D9-9336-000A958E4EB0@mac.com>

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I think it's bound to be re-run on a pretty regular basis ;-)

On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:41 AM, David Stout wrote:
> Cool, when will it air again?
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 20:13:01 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:13:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <20041201190521.99849.qmail@web20424.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041201201301.15501.qmail@web54005.mail.yahoo.com>

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We all know it will error on a regular basis as with all Microcrap products

tony geerts <thegreatland@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- David Stout wrote:

> Cool, when will it air again?

I think you meant.
When will it error again?

tony




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<DIV>We all know it will error on a regular basis as with all Microcrap products<BR><BR><B><I>tony geerts &lt;thegreatland@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>--- David Stout <RAGBRAI65@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Cool, when will it air again?<BR><BR>I think you meant.<BR>When will it error again?<BR><BR>tony<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>__________________________________ <BR>Do you Yahoo!? <BR>Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. <BR>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Cialug mailing list<BR>Cialug@cialug.org<BR>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>David Stout<br>Business Forms Analyst &amp; Student<br><br>There is alot of power in being powerless<p>
		<hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> 
<a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/security/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html">Yahoo! Mail</a> - You care about security. So do we.
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 21:23:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:23:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Speaker for December
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14A9E@DSMEXCH>

Art Reisman of net equalizer fame (http://www.netequalizer.com) is coming to
Fort Dodge on the 16th to talk to some Iowa School IT folks.  I asked him if
he might speak at our meeting on the 15th and he seems open to it.  Would
that be OK?

He could talk about the net equalizer product he has developed from Linux
and starting a business based on open source technology.

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 21:53:04 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:53:04 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Speaker for December
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14A9E@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14A9E@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41AE3D40.9020706@visionary.com>

Make it so.

-dc

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> Art Reisman of net equalizer fame (http://www.netequalizer.com) is coming to
> Fort Dodge on the 16th to talk to some Iowa School IT folks.  I asked him if
> he might speak at our meeting on the 15th and he seems open to it.  Would
> that be OK?
> 
> He could talk about the net equalizer product he has developed from Linux
> and starting a business based on open source technology.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 



From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec  1 22:02:35 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:02:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] quality on display
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412011128390.9099@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <20041201155723.47581.qmail@web54004.mail.yahoo.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412011128390.9099@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <44166.66.43.220.240.1101938555.squirrel@66.43.220.240>

>
> public access showing power point on the "send error report to microsoft"
> screen.
>
It happens alot.
I can't remember if it was the same channel, but I so a OSX error message one
night.


-- 
Kevin C. Smith

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 02:22:17 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:22:17 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Apache 1.3/2.0 SMP/PHP/other stuff
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C85@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

I'm currently running Apache 1.3/PHP 4.1 on Debian 3.0 on my SMP PIII =
server. Will I notice any sort of performance increase moving to apache =
2.0/php 4.3? How well does Apache 1.3s multi-process model work on SMP =
systems?




--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 03:22:16 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:22:16 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Apache 1.3/2.0 SMP/PHP/other stuff
In-Reply-To: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C85@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C85@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <1101957736.4268.3.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

For me, while running redhat, apache seemed only slightly faster.


On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 20:22, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> I'm currently running Apache 1.3/PHP 4.1 on Debian 3.0 on my SMP PIII server. Will I notice any sort of performance increase moving to apache 2.0/php 4.3? How well does Apache 1.3s multi-process model work on SMP systems?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
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> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 04:10:48 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:10:48 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] HELP! I removed libc6!
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

Gah. I tried upgrading libc6. Then I decided to go back to the old =
version. Problem is I figured I could do dpkg -r libc6 and apt-get =
install libc6. Problem is that now nothing runs since it was linked to =
the libc. Help!




--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 05:30:45 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:30:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] HELP! I removed libc6!
In-Reply-To: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <38576.192.168.0.4.1101965445.squirrel@192.168.0.4>

> Gah. I tried upgrading libc6. Then I decided to go back to the old
> version. Problem is I figured I could do dpkg -r libc6 and apt-get install
> libc6. Problem is that now nothing runs since it was linked to the libc.
> Help!
>
Oops!
Next time do a downgrade.
I'm not sure, but I think your are in trouble here.
The one thing you shouldn't have removed.

Do you have a backup of your data? Reinstall.
or
Use Knoppix or the like to mount your drive and backup
/home ; /etc ; /var or whatever then reinstall.

If "nothing runs" I don't see any other way.

-- 
Kevin C. Smith

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 05:36:40 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:36:40 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] HELP! I removed libc6!
In-Reply-To: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <20041202053640.GJ10557@kristau.net>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:10:48PM -0600, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> Gah. I tried upgrading libc6. Then I decided to go back to the old version. Problem is I figured I could do dpkg -r libc6 and apt-get install libc6. Problem is that now nothing runs since it was linked to the libc. Help!
>

I've never been in this situation before, so take the following advice with a grain (or perhaps a bucket) of salt. . .

If I did find myself in such a situation, I would attempt to boot to a bootable CD such as Knoppix or whatever is closest to the distro you are running (I assume it is Debian-based, since you are using dpkg, but these days that's a big assumption).  Then I would scour the documentation for dkpg to see if there are command line options to give an alternative target for the installation of the package.  Craft a command to install libc6 to the mounted hard drive of your "libc6-less" system and fire away!

Now, if this is a critical production machine, you should probably make a backup of all the important stuff before you go pointing dpkg at it.  If there isn't anything critical on it, just back up what you don't want to lose (kinda the same thing, I guess).

Sorry I can't give more details, as I've not had this exact problem before.  I have been in similar situations and usually you can get yourself out with some sort of bootable distro or recovery disk.

later,
kristau

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 06:10:24 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:10:24 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] HELP! I removed libc6!
In-Reply-To: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <1101967824.8585.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>

Everyone is so uncreative; I'm unfamiliar with .deb but this has to be
possible:
Download the package manually, save it to whatever media it will fit on
(likely the hard disk from a knoppix boot disk).  Now, uncompress
the .deb and find the file you need; the one that it needs to link to.
Stick it in the appropriate spot; reboot onto your hard disk OS and do
your downgrade.

Now, how you uncompress a .deb is an unknown to me.

On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 22:10 -0600, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> Gah. I tried upgrading libc6. Then I decided to go back to the old version. Problem is I figured I could do dpkg -r libc6 and apt-get install libc6. Problem is that now nothing runs since it was linked to the libc. Help!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
> POS Analyst
> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 12:04:18 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:04:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] HELP! I removed libc6!
In-Reply-To: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412020603060.30140@charmed.internetsolver.com>

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:

> Gah. I tried upgrading libc6. Then I decided to go back to the old 
> version. Problem is I figured I could do dpkg -r libc6 and apt-get 
> install libc6. Problem is that now nothing runs since it was linked to 
> the libc. Help!

rpm has an argument called --root to point it to a different root for 
situations like this. If dpkg can do that also, boot from a debian cd and 
mount your file systems under /mnt and run dpkg -i libc6 --root /mnt


> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
> POS Analyst
> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 12:59:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Renegade Muskrat)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:59:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] HELP! I removed libc6!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412020603060.30140@charmed.internetsolver.c
 om>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
 <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C87@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20041202065113.00b1b788@pop.ramaley.net>

I just checked the dpkg man page, and it does have a --root argument. 
It works as one might expect: --root=<path to chroot to>

 >rpm has an argument called --root to point it to a different root for 

 >situations like this. If dpkg can do that also, boot from a debian cd 

 >and
 >mount your file systems under /mnt and run dpkg -i libc6 --root /mnt
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 22:19:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:19:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] PHP ORM
Message-ID: <41AF94EF.9070904@tonybibbs.com>

Figured I'd point this out to any of you Java developers who love ORM 
tools and wished there was such a tool in PHP.

It requires PHP5:

http://propel.phpdb.org/wiki/

It's based after Apache Torque.  I just built a framework (MVC, DAO, 
etc) on top of it if anybody is interested.

--Tony

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  2 22:39:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:39:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] PHP ORM
In-Reply-To: <41AF94EF.9070904@tonybibbs.com>
References: <41AF94EF.9070904@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <41AF999B.3020206@tonybibbs.com>

Oh, yeah, for those unaware.  ORM = Object Relational Mapper.  It's a 
way to persist data to a database without having to write a bunch of SQL 
yourself.  In our Java shop we using a Hibernate to do this instead of 
EJB's as it is eaiser to use/maintain/deploy.

--Tony

Tony Bibbs wrote:

> Figured I'd point this out to any of you Java developers who love ORM 
> tools and wished there was such a tool in PHP.
>
> It requires PHP5:
>
> http://propel.phpdb.org/wiki/
>
> It's based after Apache Torque.  I just built a framework (MVC, DAO, 
> etc) on top of it if anybody is interested.
>
> --Tony
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From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec  3 01:24:53 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:24:53 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] rs232 to rj45
Message-ID: <41AFC065.6040008@vonahsen.com>

anybody got a serial ethernet adapter or know where to get one?  compUSA 
and best buy were busts (go figure).

I'm going to browse around too, but I thought I'd check here

-barry

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec  3 01:28:05 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:28:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] rs232 to rj45
In-Reply-To: <41AFC065.6040008@vonahsen.com>
References: <41AFC065.6040008@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412021927520.10592@charmed.internetsolver.com>

What are you trying to do?

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Barry Von Ahsen wrote:
> anybody got a serial ethernet adapter or know where to get one?  compUSA and 
> best buy were busts (go figure).
>
> I'm going to browse around too, but I thought I'd check here

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec  3 01:42:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Academician Kula)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:42:38 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] rs232 to rj45
In-Reply-To: <41AFC065.6040008@vonahsen.com>
References: <41AFC065.6040008@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <20041203014238.GD10800@keymaster.madscientistresearch.net>

On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 07:24:53PM -0600, Barry Von Ahsen wrote:
> anybody got a serial ethernet adapter or know where to get one?  compUSA 
> and best buy were busts (go figure).
> 
> I'm going to browse around too, but I thought I'd check here

Are you talking something that has a de9 on one end and an rj45 jack
on the other and you can wire the two together as you wish? If so,
I picked up several the last time I was in Oregon and could probably
part with one for $3.

-- 
Thomas L. Kula | tkula@io.com | http://www.madscientistresearch.net
Mathom House upon the Canw, The People's Republic of Ames

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec  3 01:55:44 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:55:44 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] rs232 to rj45
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412021927520.10592@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <41AFC065.6040008@vonahsen.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412021927520.10592@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <41AFC7A0.3030308@vonahsen.com>

Dave Weis wrote:
> 
> What are you trying to do?
> 
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Barry Von Ahsen wrote:
> 
>> anybody got a serial ethernet adapter or know where to get one?  
>> compUSA and best buy were busts (go figure).
>>
>> I'm going to browse around too, but I thought I'd check here
> 
> 

my wife has a bunch of serial servers, one of which only has serial 
output (the rest have serial and ethernet).

but I found one, always the last place you look (especially after you 
ask for help :)

-barry

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec  3 23:54:18 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:54:18 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C95@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an issue =
with braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to =
cause this? I haven't been able to get much out of google.

Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning: =
coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test

I'm also getting messages like the following:


Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT =
from coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command =
rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=3D<xxxxx@code0.net> =
to=3D<xxxxx@bp.com> proto=3DSMTP helo=3D<coldfusion>


--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005


From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec  3 23:58:39 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Academician Kula)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:58:39 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
In-Reply-To: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C95@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C95@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <20041203235839.GO10800@keymaster.madscientistresearch.net>

On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 05:54:18PM -0600, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an issue with braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause this? I haven't been able to get much out of google.
> 
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning: coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test

No idea here. Looks like whatever is sending this e-mail started
sending the actual e-mail before the DATA phase of the smtp 
transaction started. Postfix has provisions to do uber-massive
logging of SMTP transactions from certain hosts --- you may want
to turn that on for whatever host is talking to you here. Crank
it up high enough and you'll pretty much see the SMTP as it is
taking place, and what is flying back and forth. Otherwise, use
tcpdump or friend to watch the traffic.


> I'm also getting messages like the following:
> 
> 
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<xxxxx@code0.net> to=<xxxxx@bp.com> proto=SMTP helo=<coldfusion>
> 

Here you probably want to take a look at:
 http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#reject_non_fqdn_hostname

Although it sounds as if coldfusion is talking to itself, in which case
it might be that it doesn't have a fully qualified domain name set, or
Postfix doesn't know what it is.

-- 
Thomas L. Kula | tkula@io.com | http://www.madscientistresearch.net
Mathom House upon the Canw, The People's Republic of Ames

From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 00:16:44 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:16:44 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C95@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <080e01c4d996$8989ae80$800101df@JON>

Try looking at both smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_helo_required
in your config file. The errors in postfix tell you what area it is being 
rejected.
Then you could always fix the braindead SMTP clients. If they don't make 
sense
then google for those two settings and you will get a better explanation.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an issue with 
braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause this? 
I haven't been able to get much out of google.

Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning: 
coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test

I'm also getting messages like the following:


Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: need 
fully-qualified hostname; from=<xxxxx@code0.net> to=<xxxxx@bp.com> 
proto=SMTP helo=<coldfusion>


--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005

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From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 00:26:53 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:26:53 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
References: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C95@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <088801c4d997$f48c6ff0$800101df@JON>

And while your at it check your config file and make sure you have a FQDN 
for this

myhostname = coldfusion.domain.name

And then you also have the ever important Postfix for dummies website:)

http://www.fredshack.com/docs/postfix.html




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an issue with 
braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause this? 
I haven't been able to get much out of google.

Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning: 
coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test

I'm also getting messages like the following:


Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: need 
fully-qualified hostname; from=<xxxxx@code0.net> to=<xxxxx@bp.com> 
proto=SMTP helo=<coldfusion>


--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug



From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 00:35:30 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:35:30 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
In-Reply-To: <080e01c4d996$8989ae80$800101df@JON>
Message-ID: <20041204003543.4780619246E@coldfusion>

I googled for the helo issue and I just turned off the reject non-fqdn
names. The other issue never was a problem with Postfix 1.x though...


Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf Of
Jon Clemons
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:17 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


Try looking at both smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_helo_required in your
config file. The errors in postfix tell you what area it is being rejected.
Then you could always fix the braindead SMTP clients. If they don't make
sense then google for those two settings and you will get a better
explanation.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an issue with

braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause this? 
I haven't been able to get much out of google.

Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning: 
coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test

I'm also getting messages like the following:


Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: need 
fully-qualified hostname; from=<xxxxx@code0.net> to=<xxxxx@bp.com> 
proto=SMTP helo=<coldfusion>


--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005

_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


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From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 00:40:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:40:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
References: <20041204003543.4780619246E@coldfusion>
Message-ID: <08fd01c4d999$d766f8d0$800101df@JON>

turning it off just promotes your own machine and other rogue machines from 
properly identifying themselves.
And when you send to others without FDQN they may reject your email:)
Fix your config as mentioned in my second email and your FQDN problem is 
solved.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Bailey" <jcbailey@code0.net>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


>I googled for the helo issue and I just turned off the reject non-fqdn
> names. The other issue never was a problem with Postfix 1.x though...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> Jon Clemons
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:17 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> Try looking at both smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_helo_required in 
> your
> config file. The errors in postfix tell you what area it is being 
> rejected.
> Then you could always fix the braindead SMTP clients. If they don't make
> sense then google for those two settings and you will get a better
> explanation.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
> Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an issue 
> with
>
> braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause 
> this?
> I haven't been able to get much out of google.
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning:
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test
>
> I'm also getting messages like the following:
>
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: need
> fully-qualified hostname; from=<xxxxx@code0.net> to=<xxxxx@bp.com>
> proto=SMTP helo=<coldfusion>
>
>
> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
> POS Analyst
> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 00:42:10 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:42:10 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C97@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

What about turning off the FQDN reject and changing the hostname? What =
about clients that still HELO coldfusion?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Jon Clemons
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:40 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


turning it off just promotes your own machine and other rogue machines =
from=20
properly identifying themselves.
And when you send to others without FDQN they may reject your email:)
Fix your config as mentioned in my second email and your FQDN problem is =

solved.


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jonathan Bailey" <jcbailey@code0.net>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


>I googled for the helo issue and I just turned off the reject non-fqdn
> names. The other issue never was a problem with Postfix 1.x though...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On =
Behalf=20
> Of
> Jon Clemons
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:17 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> Try looking at both smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_helo_required in =

> your
> config file. The errors in postfix tell you what area it is being=20
> rejected.
> Then you could always fix the braindead SMTP clients. If they don't =
make
> sense then google for those two settings and you will get a better
> explanation.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
> Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an =
issue=20
> with
>
> braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause=20
> this?
> I haven't been able to get much out of google.
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning:
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test
>
> I'm also getting messages like the following:
>
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT =
from
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: =
need
> fully-qualified hostname; from=3D<xxxxx@code0.net> to=3D<xxxxx@bp.com>
> proto=3DSMTP helo=3D<coldfusion>
>
>
> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
> POS Analyst
> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 02:00:18 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:00:18 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C98@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

Ok, more issues.... I'm using saslauthd/pam/pam-mysql. The issue is that =
if the user sent to postfix from the client (ex user@example.com) is is =
split by user and realm and apparently saslauthd is doing this. How can =
I make saslauthd handle this correctly?



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Bailey, Jonathan C
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:42 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


What about turning off the FQDN reject and changing the hostname? What =
about clients that still HELO coldfusion?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Jon Clemons
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:40 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


turning it off just promotes your own machine and other rogue machines =
from=20
properly identifying themselves.
And when you send to others without FDQN they may reject your email:)
Fix your config as mentioned in my second email and your FQDN problem is =

solved.


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jonathan Bailey" <jcbailey@code0.net>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


>I googled for the helo issue and I just turned off the reject non-fqdn
> names. The other issue never was a problem with Postfix 1.x though...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On =
Behalf=20
> Of
> Jon Clemons
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:17 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> Try looking at both smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_helo_required in =

> your
> config file. The errors in postfix tell you what area it is being=20
> rejected.
> Then you could always fix the braindead SMTP clients. If they don't =
make
> sense then google for those two settings and you will get a better
> explanation.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
> Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an =
issue=20
> with
>
> braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause=20
> this?
> I haven't been able to get much out of google.
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning:
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test
>
> I'm also getting messages like the following:
>
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT =
from
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: =
need
> fully-qualified hostname; from=3D<xxxxx@code0.net> to=3D<xxxxx@bp.com>
> proto=3DSMTP helo=3D<coldfusion>
>
>
> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
> POS Analyst
> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec  4 02:12:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:12:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9C99@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

Actually, I just figured that one out. 'saslauthd -a pam -r' The -r will =
reassemble the user@realm for auth.



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Bailey, Jonathan C
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:00 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


Ok, more issues.... I'm using saslauthd/pam/pam-mysql. The issue is that =
if the user sent to postfix from the client (ex user@example.com) is is =
split by user and realm and apparently saslauthd is doing this. How can =
I make saslauthd handle this correctly?



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Bailey, Jonathan C
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:42 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


What about turning off the FQDN reject and changing the hostname? What =
about clients that still HELO coldfusion?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Jon Clemons
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:40 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


turning it off just promotes your own machine and other rogue machines =
from=20
properly identifying themselves.
And when you send to others without FDQN they may reject your email:)
Fix your config as mentioned in my second email and your FQDN problem is =

solved.


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jonathan Bailey" <jcbailey@code0.net>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues


>I googled for the helo issue and I just turned off the reject non-fqdn
> names. The other issue never was a problem with Postfix 1.x though...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On =
Behalf=20
> Of
> Jon Clemons
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:17 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> Try looking at both smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_helo_required in =

> your
> config file. The errors in postfix tell you what area it is being=20
> rejected.
> Then you could always fix the braindead SMTP clients. If they don't =
make
> sense then google for those two settings and you will get a better
> explanation.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bailey, Jonathan C" <bailj0@bp.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:54 PM
> Subject: [Cialug] Postfix 1 to 2 conversion issues
>
>
> I just converted to Postfix 2 from v1 recently. I'm now having an =
issue=20
> with
>
> braindead SMTP clients. Any ideas of what would have changed to cause=20
> this?
> I haven't been able to get much out of google.
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: warning:
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56] sent non-SMTP command: Subject: Test
>
> I'm also getting messages like the following:
>
>
> Dec  3 17:47:18 coldfusion postfix/smtpd[5024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT =
from
> coldfusion[207.206.203.56]: 504 <coldfusion>: Helo command rejected: =
need
> fully-qualified hostname; from=3D<xxxxx@code0.net> to=3D<xxxxx@bp.com>
> proto=3DSMTP helo=3D<coldfusion>
>
>
> --------------------
> Jonathan Bailey
> POS Analyst
> bailj0@bp.com
> (515) 226-5005
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec  5 01:16:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:16:38 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
Message-ID: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com>

I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am seeing many
ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in /var/log/messages.  The
source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, or 13.  I've
looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are reserved or
unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I don't have
anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to port 0, all
but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong to yahoo.com
(for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to me there
would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I need to
block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?

--
Tim W.

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec  5 13:10:05 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jerry Weida)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 07:10:05 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
In-Reply-To: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com>
References: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <40e57b5f04120505102454ae72@mail.gmail.com>

The only time I've seen traffic to port 0, it was either a port-scan
or a DoS attack.  Most operating systems don't fall victim to this
kind of attack any longer.  Probably nothing to worry about as long as
you have confirmed that there is no listening service on these ports.


On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:16:38 +0000, timwilson011@mchsi.com
<timwilson011@mchsi.com> wrote:
> I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am seeing many
> ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in /var/log/messages.  The
> source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, or 13.  I've
> looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are reserved or
> unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I don't have
> anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to port 0, all
> but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong to yahoo.com
> (for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to me there
> would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I need to
> block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
> comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
> 
> --
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 00:24:52 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Art Reisman)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:24:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] Hello Central Iowa Linux Group
Message-ID: <20041206002453.94702.qmail@web52509.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, 

My name is Art Reisman, I am the creater of the Linux
Bandwidth Arbitrator open source project , and the
founder of APconnections a company that was formed to
support a commercial release of the same technology.


I had an appointment to be in Fort Dodge to give a
presentation to a group of IT departments from various
Iowa public school disticts on the 16th.  A couple of
Cialug members have suggested there might be interest
in me coming by the evening of 12/15 to give a
presentation or just chat?

I did a presentation to the Lug here in Denver (a very
large group attendance runs 60-100 people per meeting)
about the experience of taking open source technology
commerical and most people found it very valuable (the
ones that didn't keyed my car) in any case be happy to
stop by and say hi for you meeting. I set my schedule
to be there with open time.


Regards

Art Reisman
www.apconnections.net
720-560-3568

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 15:30:01 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Andrew Lietzow)
Date: Mon,  6 Dec 2004 09:30:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
Message-ID: <20041206153001.540ED1EAF@www.cialug.org>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
If you can read this line, your email software does not support this format.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:

RE:>>I'm curious if I need to block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?

I'm interested in your question, but unable to provide any answers.   

I have a Fedora Core 2 server running LAMP and ever since I installed it, the disk gets hit about once every three seconds.  I'd like to determine the process and/or the port.   

I think one of the suspect problems is an error in my named.conf file (my fault but haven't resolved the issue).   

This error gets logged in my /var/log/messages file, to wit:
"lame server resolving '1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa' ( in '0.0.127.in-addr.arpa'?): 192.228.79.201#53"

A more serious error, or so I believe is: 
"Failed password for illegal user blue from 213.155.196.143 port 35672 ssh2"  
I have a whole slew of these entries in the /var/log/message file and the jerk has tried to log in under many aliases, apparently from different IP's (including 210.102.183.225).   I cannot ping these addresses.  

When I do a "whois 210.102.183.225), I find a block of addresses for some University in China, maybe?   The technical contact is ygson@kwc.ac.kr and kren@snu.ac.kr at KYUNGWON College.  

Does anyone think it will do me any good to send an email to this contact to tell them that whoever is at 210.102.183.225 is being abusive?    I have added both of these IP's to my /etc/hosts.deny file thusly.  
<ssh2:210.102.183.225 213.155.196.143>
I'm not sure that I have the syntax correct.  

As always, TIA for any help.   And, I wish I knew the answer to YOUR problem Tim Wilson, but unfortunately, I am "niche ser gut" in this arena... 

Ciao, 
Andrew Lietzow
Des Moines
_____________________________________________________________________
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 16:51:49 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:51:49 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
In-Reply-To: <20041206153001.540ED1EAF@www.cialug.org>
References: <20041206153001.540ED1EAF@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <20041206165149.GG30388@etrumeus.com>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:30:01AM -0600, Andrew Lietzow wrote:
> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:

> I have a Fedora Core 2 server running LAMP and ever since I installed it, the disk gets hit about once every three seconds.  I'd like to determine the process and/or the port.   
> 
> I think one of the suspect problems is an error in my named.conf file (my fault but haven't resolved the issue).   
> 
> This error gets logged in my /var/log/messages file, to wit:
> "lame server resolving '1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa' ( in '0.0.127.in-addr.arpa'?): 192.228.79.201#53"

Yeah, port 53 is dns, as you can see in /etc/services.  If you
do a whois on that IP, you can see it's one of the root servers.
 
You might want to make sure you have an entry for localhost in
/etc/hosts.  At minimum, it should have this:

127.0.0.1       localhost

For a machine called "foobar" you might also put "foobar" and
"foobar.my.domain.net" and any other aliases after localhost on
this same line, space delimited.  Using your own values in place
of these example ones, of course.

> A more serious error, or so I believe is: 
> "Failed password for illegal user blue from 213.155.196.143 port 35672 ssh2"  
> I have a whole slew of these entries in the /var/log/message file and the jerk has tried to log in under many aliases, apparently from different IP's (including 210.102.183.225).   I cannot ping these addresses.  
> 
> When I do a "whois 210.102.183.225), I find a block of addresses for some University in China, maybe?   The technical contact is ygson@kwc.ac.kr and kren@snu.ac.kr at KYUNGWON College.  

.kr is South Korea:
http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm#k

> Does anyone think it will do me any good to send an email to this contact to tell them that whoever is at 210.102.183.225 is being abusive?    I have added both of these IP's to my /etc/hosts.deny file thusly.  
> <ssh2:210.102.183.225 213.155.196.143>
> I'm not sure that I have the syntax correct.  

What's the worst that could happen if you do report it?  You're
already getting attacked from that site.  You might want to
create a throwaway email address to use to make the report, in
case this is a spam front, too, but otherwise the benefits
(shutting down some punk by going through proper channels) might
just pay off.

-- 
Joe


From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 16:59:26 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:59:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
In-Reply-To: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com>
References: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41B48FEE.7090504@visionary.com>

Is that system all patched up? Is RH 7.2 still even supported? Might be 
time to update.

While no system is totally secure, something as old as RH 7.2 probably 
has a significantly greater chance of being exploitable.

If you haven't already, I'd check for evidence of an intrusion - i.e. 
run chkrootkit, run "rpm -Va"...

-dc

timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am seeing many
> ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in /var/log/messages.  The
> source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, or 13.  I've
> looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are reserved or
> unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I don't have
> anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to port 0, all
> but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong to yahoo.com
> (for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to me there
> would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I need to
> block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
> comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
> 
> --
> Tim W.
> _______________________________________________
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 17:03:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dwight Hubbard)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:03:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
In-Reply-To: <20041206153001.540ED1EAF@www.cialug.org>
References: <20041206153001.540ED1EAF@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <49553.204.124.192.31.1102352627.squirrel@mail.dwightandamy.com>

First I would either install a firewall rule blocking the netblock for
that chinese univeristy or at least put in a reject route for that network
block (unless your server normally serves people from China)

If at all possible I would set up the tcpwrappers to deny ssh access by
default and put the address ranges you connect from in the hosts.allow
file.  That way you exclude nearly all the miscreants from having the
opportunity to guess at your accounts.

The best solution I've found for this kind of thing is to set up
portsentry to install blocking firewall rules on multiple attempts to
connect to unused ports from an IP address.  This stops most users doing
network probes from single machines.

I also set up tcpwrappers to run a script that installs a firewall
blocking rule for attempts to access running services from IP addresses
other than those authorized.  That way people from unauthorized addresses
who try to access services like SSH will not only be unable to get into
SSH but they will not longer be able to see your box at all from their IP
address.  Of course this can be a PITA if you happen to travel and want to
connect to your server using the hotels high speed internet access...

Finally, I would make it a point to run something like chkrootkit on your
box regularly.  You never know when someone will invent some new and
creative way to hack your box and give it to all the script kiddies in the
world.



From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 17:04:17 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:04:17 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20165A59A@DES10MS01>

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You make it sound so easy...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dwight Hubbard [mailto:dwight@dwightandamy.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:04 AM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Cc: alietzow@myfamily.com
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
> 
> 
> First I would either install a firewall rule blocking the netblock for
> that chinese univeristy or at least put in a reject route for 
> that network
> block (unless your server normally serves people from China)
> 
> If at all possible I would set up the tcpwrappers to deny ssh 
> access by
> default and put the address ranges you connect from in the hosts.allow
> file.  That way you exclude nearly all the miscreants from having the
> opportunity to guess at your accounts.
> 
> The best solution I've found for this kind of thing is to set up
> portsentry to install blocking firewall rules on multiple attempts to
> connect to unused ports from an IP address.  This stops most 
> users doing
> network probes from single machines.
> 
> I also set up tcpwrappers to run a script that installs a firewall
> blocking rule for attempts to access running services from IP 
> addresses
> other than those authorized.  That way people from 
> unauthorized addresses
> who try to access services like SSH will not only be unable 
> to get into
> SSH but they will not longer be able to see your box at all 
> from their IP
> address.  Of course this can be a PITA if you happen to 
> travel and want to
> connect to your server using the hotels high speed internet access...
> 
> Finally, I would make it a point to run something like 
> chkrootkit on your
> box regularly.  You never know when someone will invent some new and
> creative way to hack your box and give it to all the script 
> kiddies in the
> world.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; The best solution I've found for this kind of =
thing is to set up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; portsentry to install blocking firewall rules =
on multiple attempts to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; connect to unused ports from an IP =
address.&nbsp; This stops most </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; users doing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; network probes from single machines.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I also set up tcpwrappers to run a script that =
installs a firewall</FONT>
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services from IP </FONT>
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people from </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; who try to access services like SSH will not =
only be unable </FONT>
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your box at all </FONT>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 17:21:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:21:02 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
Message-ID: <120620041721.6043.39bd@mchsi.com>

The "illegal user" entry is more serious.  It looks like someone is trying to
exploit an openssh flaw.  Three years ago, my box was 0wned because of an
openssh flaw.  I now only allow ssh from the places I might be ssh'ing from. 
Any others get blocked by ipchains (for FC2, it would probably iptables).

I'm sure adding the addresses to hosts.deny will work, I chose to do it at the
firewall level.  That way, unless there's a bug in the firewall, it will get
blocked there.  Maybe as an extra security measure, both should be done.

I don't think sending an e-mail to that contact would help.  It appears to be a
Korean university, which could have several thousand students.  It could be a
lab IP address, which could be open to anyone.  The chances of them doing
anything about it would be slim, IMHO.

--
Tim W.
> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> 
> RE:>>I'm curious if I need to block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone 
> have any ideas, suggestions, or
> comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
> 
> I'm interested in your question, but unable to provide any answers.   
> 
> I have a Fedora Core 2 server running LAMP and ever since I installed it, the 
> disk gets hit about once every three seconds.  I'd like to determine the process 
> and/or the port.   
> 
> I think one of the suspect problems is an error in my named.conf file (my fault 
> but haven't resolved the issue).   
> 
> This error gets logged in my /var/log/messages file, to wit:
> "lame server resolving '1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa' ( in '0.0.127.in-addr.arpa'?): 
> 192.228.79.201#53"
> 
> A more serious error, or so I believe is: 
> "Failed password for illegal user blue from 213.155.196.143 port 35672 ssh2"  
> I have a whole slew of these entries in the /var/log/message file and the jerk 
> has tried to log in under many aliases, apparently from different IP's 
> (including 210.102.183.225).   I cannot ping these addresses.  
> 
> When I do a "whois 210.102.183.225), I find a block of addresses for some 
> University in China, maybe?   The technical contact is ygson@kwc.ac.kr and 
> kren@snu.ac.kr at KYUNGWON College.  
> 
> Does anyone think it will do me any good to send an email to this contact to 
> tell them that whoever is at 210.102.183.225 is being abusive?    I have added 
> both of these IP's to my /etc/hosts.deny file thusly.  
> <ssh2:210.102.183.225 213.155.196.143>
> I'm not sure that I have the syntax correct.  
> 
> As always, TIA for any help.   And, I wish I knew the answer to YOUR problem Tim 
> Wilson, but unfortunately, I am "niche ser gut" in this arena... 
> 
> Ciao, 
> Andrew Lietzow
> Des Moines
> _____________________________________________________________________
> Get your own family web site at www.MyFamily.com!
> 
> 
> 

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 17:46:15 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dwight Hubbard)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:46:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders.
In-Reply-To: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20165A59A@DES10MS01>
References: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20165A59A@DES10MS01>
Message-ID: <13371.204.124.192.31.1102355175.squirrel@mail.dwightandamy.com>

If it was easy there wouldn't be many hacked computers out there :-(

> You make it sound so easy...




From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 19:40:05 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:40:05 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
In-Reply-To: <41B48FEE.7090504@visionary.com>
References: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com>
 <41B48FEE.7090504@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <1102362005.20245.53.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

Its too bad we can't get updates for RH 7.2 and 9.0, those were *great*
distros. 

<whimper><whimper>


On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 10:59, David Champion wrote:
> Is that system all patched up? Is RH 7.2 still even supported? Might be 
> time to update.
> 
> While no system is totally secure, something as old as RH 7.2 probably 
> has a significantly greater chance of being exploitable.
> 
> If you haven't already, I'd check for evidence of an intrusion - i.e. 
> run chkrootkit, run "rpm -Va"...
> 
> -dc
> 
> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> > I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am seeing many
> > ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in /var/log/messages.  The
> > source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, or 13.  I've
> > looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are reserved or
> > unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I don't have
> > anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to port 0, all
> > but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong to yahoo.com
> > (for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to me there
> > would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I need to
> > block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
> > comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
> > 
> > --
> > Tim W.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > 
> 
> 
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641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 20:49:29 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bryan Baker)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:49:29 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
In-Reply-To: <1102362005.20245.53.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
References: <120520040116.7381.29e9@mchsi.com> <41B48FEE.7090504@visionary.com> <1102362005.20245.53.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <52C18DEE-47C8-11D9-8A33-000A958E4EB0@mac.com>

http://www.fedoralegacy.org/

Though, they've dropped all the 7's but 7.3

On Dec 6, 2004, at 1:40 PM, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> Its too bad we can't get updates for RH 7.2 and 9.0, those were *great*
> distros.
>
> <whimper><whimper>
>
>
> On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 10:59, David Champion wrote:
>> Is that system all patched up? Is RH 7.2 still even supported? Might 
>> be
>> time to update.
>>
>> While no system is totally secure, something as old as RH 7.2 probably
>> has a significantly greater chance of being exploitable.
>>
>> If you haven't already, I'd check for evidence of an intrusion - i.e.
>> run chkrootkit, run "rpm -Va"...
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
>>> I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am 
>>> seeing many
>>> ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in 
>>> /var/log/messages.  The
>>> source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, 
>>> or 13.  I've
>>> looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are 
>>> reserved or
>>> unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I 
>>> don't have
>>> anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to 
>>> port 0, all
>>> but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong 
>>> to yahoo.com
>>> (for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to 
>>> me there
>>> would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I 
>>> need to
>>> block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, 
>>> suggestions, or
>>> comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim W.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Cialug@cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> -- 
>
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> Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave@osis.us>
> 641.485.1606
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 21:08:53 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:08:53 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Mandrake 10.1 official download
Message-ID: <41B4CA65.7030007@visionary.com>

The general public can now go download Mandrake 10.1, including the DVD 
iso. (I thought they had already released it...). There are FTP's or 
torrents.

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3

Might be a good choice if anyone were running an old unsupported version 
of RedHat or something. :p

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 21:15:40 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:15:40 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
Message-ID: <120620042115.15055.5109@mchsi.com>

I did do a YUM update off of fedoralegacy.org back in August (and nothing has
been updated on that site since then for 7.2).  RH 7.2 is no longer supported by
RH or fedoralegacy.  I plan on upgrading, but my copious free time isn't as free
as it used to be. :-)

I ran chkrootkit with no problems.  Good idea on running "rpm -Va".  It reported
some missing files and some other files where size and MD5 checksum doesn't
match.  So far, those look OK (updates), but I'll need to investigate more.

My plan to upgrade was to go to FC2, however I'm wondering if it would be better
for me to do a YUM upgrade to 7.3, and then later go to the latest FC release. 
Thoughts?

--
Tim W.
> Is that system all patched up? Is RH 7.2 still even supported? Might be 
> time to update.
> 
> While no system is totally secure, something as old as RH 7.2 probably 
> has a significantly greater chance of being exploitable.
> 
> If you haven't already, I'd check for evidence of an intrusion - i.e. 
> run chkrootkit, run "rpm -Va"...
> 
> -dc
> 
> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> > I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am seeing 
> many
> > ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in /var/log/messages.  The
> > source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, or 13.  
> I've
> > looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are reserved 
> or
> > unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I don't have
> > anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to port 0, 
> all
> > but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong to 
> yahoo.com
> > (for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to me there
> > would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I need to
> > block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, or
> > comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
> > 
> > --
> > Tim W.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > 
> 
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec  6 23:28:07 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:28:07 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Odd log entries on RH7.2 box
Message-ID: <120620042328.13554.280e@mchsi.com>

I've done some more digging, and solved at least part of the mystery.  I did a
ping from work, checked my logs, and I got 4 log entries (1 for each ping
packet) with a source port of 8 and a dest port of 0.  So most of the entries
are pings.  I'm still trying to figure out why 2 addresses within Yahoo would be
pinging my box so much, and over such a large period of time.  Since the logs
rotated yesterday morning, I have 82 entries in my logs from these 2 addresses
(217.146.185.136 and 217.146.185.137).  Each time an entry appears, there's
usually 2 or 3 total entries at or about the same time, from the same address.

Anyone have any thoughts?
--
Tim W.
> I did do a YUM update off of fedoralegacy.org back in August (and nothing has
> been updated on that site since then for 7.2).  RH 7.2 is no longer supported by
> RH or fedoralegacy.  I plan on upgrading, but my copious free time isn't as free
> as it used to be. :-)
> 
> I ran chkrootkit with no problems.  Good idea on running "rpm -Va".  It reported
> some missing files and some other files where size and MD5 checksum doesn't
> match.  So far, those look OK (updates), but I'll need to investigate more.
> 
> My plan to upgrade was to go to FC2, however I'm wondering if it would be better
> for me to do a YUM upgrade to 7.3, and then later go to the latest FC release. 
> Thoughts?
> 
> --
> Tim W.
> > Is that system all patched up? Is RH 7.2 still even supported? Might be 
> > time to update.
> > 
> > While no system is totally secure, something as old as RH 7.2 probably 
> > has a significantly greater chance of being exploitable.
> > 
> > If you haven't already, I'd check for evidence of an intrusion - i.e. 
> > run chkrootkit, run "rpm -Va"...
> > 
> > -dc
> > 
> > timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> > > I was looking through my logs, and I noticed some odd entries.  I am seeing 
> > many
> > > ACCEPTed entries from ipchains (over 800 this week) in /var/log/messages.  
> The
> > > source ports are 0, 3, 8, 11, and 12.  The dest ports are 0, 1, 3, or 13.  
> > I've
> > > looked up these ports at iana.org, but it says port 0, 8, and 12 are 
> reserved 
> > or
> > > unassigned (the dest ports of 1 and 13 are tcpmux and daytime).  I don't 
> have
> > > anything running on these ports.  For the ones trying to connect to port 0, 
> > all
> > > but 43 came from one of 2 addresses, both of these addresses belong to 
> > yahoo.com
> > > (for example, UNKNOWN-217-146-185-137.yahoo.com).  It seems odd to me there
> > > would be access on these ports, especially port 0.  I'm curious if I need to
> > > block any of the dest ports being hit.  Anyone have any ideas, suggestions, 
> or
> > > comments?  Why would these ports be accessed?
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Tim W.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug@cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 03:10:26 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:10:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] more fun with webcam / ibmcam
Message-ID: <41B51F22.705@visionary.com>

I'm using the webcam package in a very klugey application - it's pointed 
at a phone, to show the LCD on the phone and how many messages are in a 
support queue. The phone system doesn't allow for any other sort of 
interface... so this is the work-around.

The PC it's running on was running Mandrake 9.1, and I had the "webcam" 
application running in a screen session happily taking a picture every 
30 seconds, which it would upload to a web page, and the support guys 
have that page up, and it does a meta-refresh every 30 seconds.

After updating the system to Mandrake 10.1, it now will take the first 2 
pictures, then on the 3rd one, gets an error:

v4l: waiting for a free buffer

It gets the same behaviour under the 2.6.x or 2.4.x kernel now. I did 
some googlenizing, and tried various things - but none seem to work.

As a hack to my hacked webcam thing, I'm now running it as a cron job 
every minute, and the .webcamrc is set to only take one picture then exit.

Anyone seen this kind of behaviour? I might try to get my other webcam 
working again (haven't touched it since the last LUG meeting) and see if 
it does the same thing.

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 03:56:15 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (ralph)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:56:15 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] problem with connecting wtih my remote web host
Message-ID: <41B529DF.2000002@mchsi.com>

I have contacted my host site for the reason my connection to it has 
been blocked and their answers are to no travail (eg add dhs host ipc).  
I ran pathtrace with the following result:
1:  x1-6-00-c0-26-c0-69-24 (12.216.52.199)                 0.581ms pmtu 1500
 1:  10.16.48.1 (10.16.48.1)                               13.616ms
 2:  12-215-13-225.client.mchsi.com (12.215.13.225)        15.240ms
 3:  12-215-6-18.client.mchsi.com (12.215.6.18)           asymm  7  66.723ms
 4:  gbr6-p80.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.5.222)             asymm  7 110.171ms
 5:  ggr1-p370.chail.ip.att.net (12.123.216.145)          asymm  7  67.128ms
 6:  p2-2.IR1.Chicago2-IL.us.xo.net (206.111.2.121)       asymm  8  91.360ms
 7:  p5-0-0.RAR1.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net (65.106.6.133)      asymm 10  71.777ms
 8:  p6-0-0.RAR2.Denver-CO.us.xo.net (65.106.0.25)        asymm 10  92.268ms
 9:  p0-0-0d0.RAR1.Denver-CO.us.xo.net (65.106.1.73)      asymm 11  93.738ms
10:  p6-0-0.RAR1.SanJose-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.0.21)       asymm 11 262.310ms
11:  p0-0-0.MAR1.Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.5.134)      asymm 12 123.495ms
12:  p0-0.CHR1.Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (207.88.80.178)       131.097ms
13:  us-ca-scl-exodus.px.concentric.net (207.88.3.18)     121.913ms
14:
~

I would appreciate your input. Thanks Ralph Kessel

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 04:33:46 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (ralph)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:33:46 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [Fwd: problem with connecting wtih my remote web host]
Message-ID: <41B532AA.4020609@mchsi.com>

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I didn't mention that the command was pathtrace www.ralphie.c-f-h.com.
Thanks


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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:56:15 -0600
From: ralph <kesselr1@mchsi.com>
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I have contacted my host site for the reason my connection to it has 
been blocked and their answers are to no travail (eg add dhs host ipc).  
I ran pathtrace with the following result:
1:  x1-6-00-c0-26-c0-69-24 (12.216.52.199)                 0.581ms pmtu 1500
 1:  10.16.48.1 (10.16.48.1)                               13.616ms
 2:  12-215-13-225.client.mchsi.com (12.215.13.225)        15.240ms
 3:  12-215-6-18.client.mchsi.com (12.215.6.18)           asymm  7  66.723ms
 4:  gbr6-p80.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.5.222)             asymm  7 110.171ms
 5:  ggr1-p370.chail.ip.att.net (12.123.216.145)          asymm  7  67.128ms
 6:  p2-2.IR1.Chicago2-IL.us.xo.net (206.111.2.121)       asymm  8  91.360ms
 7:  p5-0-0.RAR1.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net (65.106.6.133)      asymm 10  71.777ms
 8:  p6-0-0.RAR2.Denver-CO.us.xo.net (65.106.0.25)        asymm 10  92.268ms
 9:  p0-0-0d0.RAR1.Denver-CO.us.xo.net (65.106.1.73)      asymm 11  93.738ms
10:  p6-0-0.RAR1.SanJose-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.0.21)       asymm 11 262.310ms
11:  p0-0-0.MAR1.Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.5.134)      asymm 12 123.495ms
12:  p0-0.CHR1.Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (207.88.80.178)       131.097ms
13:  us-ca-scl-exodus.px.concentric.net (207.88.3.18)     121.913ms
14:
~

I would appreciate your input. Thanks Ralph Kessel


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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 09:24:22 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:24:22 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] problem with connecting wtih my remote web host
References: <41B529DF.2000002@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c4dc3e$932e61b0$0200a8c0@rocket>

 They are merely blocking certain ICMP traffic which makes traceroute 
timeout and is not unusual.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ralph" <kesselr1@mchsi.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: [Cialug] problem with connecting wtih my remote web host


>I have contacted my host site for the reason my connection to it has been 
>blocked and their answers are to no travail (eg add dhs host ipc).  I ran 
>pathtrace with the following result:
> 1:  x1-6-00-c0-26-c0-69-24 (12.216.52.199)                 0.581ms pmtu 
> 1500
> 1:  10.16.48.1 (10.16.48.1)                               13.616ms
> 2:  12-215-13-225.client.mchsi.com (12.215.13.225)        15.240ms
> 3:  12-215-6-18.client.mchsi.com (12.215.6.18)           asymm  7 
> 66.723ms
> 4:  gbr6-p80.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.5.222)             asymm  7 
> 110.171ms
> 5:  ggr1-p370.chail.ip.att.net (12.123.216.145)          asymm  7 
> 67.128ms
> 6:  p2-2.IR1.Chicago2-IL.us.xo.net (206.111.2.121)       asymm  8 
> 91.360ms
> 7:  p5-0-0.RAR1.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net (65.106.6.133)      asymm 10 
> 71.777ms
> 8:  p6-0-0.RAR2.Denver-CO.us.xo.net (65.106.0.25)        asymm 10 
> 92.268ms
> 9:  p0-0-0d0.RAR1.Denver-CO.us.xo.net (65.106.1.73)      asymm 11 
> 93.738ms
> 10:  p6-0-0.RAR1.SanJose-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.0.21)       asymm 11 
> 262.310ms
> 11:  p0-0-0.MAR1.Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.5.134)      asymm 12 
> 123.495ms
> 12:  p0-0.CHR1.Fremont-CA.us.xo.net (207.88.80.178)       131.097ms
> 13:  us-ca-scl-exodus.px.concentric.net (207.88.3.18)     121.913ms
> 14:
> ~
>
> I would appreciate your input. Thanks Ralph Kessel
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 17:08:29 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Ricky A. Kendall)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:08:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] Re: RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders
Message-ID: <20041207170829.6562.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com>

I have seen quite a few ssh attacks coming from South
Korea, China, Argentina, Italy, Germany, and most
recently from SBC (US based communications company). 
I have blocked them with iptables and it's been quite
effective.  I work at a DOE lab in Ames and similar
attacks have been reported there as well.  They are
hitting normal user accounts with names like patrick,
george, adam, alan, andrew etc., as well as root,
nobody, web, webmaster www, wwwrun etc.  It's most
likely a script kid exploiting an ssh hack they know
of.  Anyway your best defense is tcpwrappers with a
firewall that blocks offending dirtbags.  Also make
sure you keep your distribution up to date with
security patches.  

I'd be interested in seeing the script mentioned
earlier that looks at wrappers logs and generates a
firewall rule.  

Regards,
Ricky


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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 17:40:08 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Stephen Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:40:08 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Re: RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders
In-Reply-To: <20041207170829.6562.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041207170829.6562.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200412071140.08489.ng0g@mchsi.com>

Ricky,

On Tuesday 07 December 2004 11:08, Ricky A. Kendall wrote:
> I have seen quite a few ssh attacks coming from South
> Korea, China, Argentina, Italy, Germany, and most

I have a Linksys router / firewall and run linksysmon on my Fedora box here at 
home.  I am seeing very similar pounding away on the firewall.  Especially 
Korea and China.

Steve
-- 
73 49 111 01001001
Stephen Hawkins NG0G
ng0g@arrl.net



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 17:44:24 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:44:24 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Re: RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14ADF@DSMEXCH>

On Tuesday 07 December 2004 11:08, Ricky A. Kendall wrote:
> I have seen quite a few ssh attacks coming from South
> Korea, China, Argentina, Italy, Germany, and most

I have a Linksys router / firewall and run linksysmon on my Fedora box here
at 
home.  I am seeing very similar pounding away on the firewall.  Especially 
Korea and China.

I'll Chime in too.  I've seen it going on against several firewalls we
operate.

-Nate

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 17:48:22 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Daniel Wittenberg)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:48:22 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Re: RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders
In-Reply-To: <20041207170829.6562.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041207170829.6562.qmail@web53009.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1102441702.16207.8.camel@dhcp80ff45be.dynamic.uiowa.edu>

Is your tcpwrappers not dropping those connections?  If you are seeing
these login attempts, then your tcpwrappers appear to not be working,
and hence a firewall rule based on those wouldn't do much good either.
I would suggest standard host security policy, of drop everything with
iptables, and only allow what is explicitly needed (since tcpwrappers
can't protect everything).

Dan

On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 09:08 -0800, Ricky A. Kendall wrote:
> I have seen quite a few ssh attacks coming from South
> Korea, China, Argentina, Italy, Germany, and most
> recently from SBC (US based communications company). 
> I have blocked them with iptables and it's been quite
> effective.  I work at a DOE lab in Ames and similar
> attacks have been reported there as well.  They are
> hitting normal user accounts with names like patrick,
> george, adam, alan, andrew etc., as well as root,
> nobody, web, webmaster www, wwwrun etc.  It's most
> likely a script kid exploiting an ssh hack they know
> of.  Anyway your best defense is tcpwrappers with a
> firewall that blocks offending dirtbags.  Also make
> sure you keep your distribution up to date with
> security patches.  
> 
> I'd be interested in seeing the script mentioned
> earlier that looks at wrappers logs and generates a
> firewall rule.  
> 
> Regards,
> Ricky
> 
> 
> =====
> Ricky A. Kendall         
> Ames, Iowa
> rickyakendall@yahoo.com



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec  7 19:18:19 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:18:19 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] Re: RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders
Message-ID: <120720041918.24861.323b@mchsi.com>

FWIW, my box was 0wned by someone in Israel.  It was really scary especially
since it was a day after a big virus was announced, and the experts said it was
from Israel.  The attack was via an ssh hole that allowed an overflow to occur,
allowing the user to log in.  I should also mention this was a personal machine.
 I know some people fall into the trap "who would want to hack into my
computer?".  The crackers don't care, all they see is a computer that can be
hacked.  It doesn't much matter if you're John Q. Public, or some large corporation.

Personally, I prefer to block it at the firewall level.  I feel the firewall is
much more stable than individual servers.  I log a lot of "events" just to keep
track of what's going on.  Unfortunately, it makes for very long logs, but at
least I can see if someone is trying things I'd really not want them to do.

I am thinking about adding extra security in case for some reason the firewall
allows an IP through when it shouldn't.  Hopefully between the 2 (or 3) levels,
everything that shouldn't be allowed in is kept out.

I too would be interested in seeing the script that generates a firewall rule.
--
Tim W.
> I have seen quite a few ssh attacks coming from South
> Korea, China, Argentina, Italy, Germany, and most
> recently from SBC (US based communications company). 
> I have blocked them with iptables and it's been quite
> effective.  I work at a DOE lab in Ames and similar
> attacks have been reported there as well.  They are
> hitting normal user accounts with names like patrick,
> george, adam, alan, andrew etc., as well as root,
> nobody, web, webmaster www, wwwrun etc.  It's most
> likely a script kid exploiting an ssh hack they know
> of.  Anyway your best defense is tcpwrappers with a
> firewall that blocks offending dirtbags.  Also make
> sure you keep your distribution up to date with
> security patches.  
> 
> I'd be interested in seeing the script mentioned
> earlier that looks at wrappers logs and generates a
> firewall rule.  
> 
> Regards,
> Ricky
> 
> 
> =====
> Ricky A. Kendall         
> Ames, Iowa
> rickyakendall@yahoo.com
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> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec  9 17:50:28 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dwight Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:50:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Re: RE: Port blocking - and unwanted intruders
In-Reply-To: <120720041918.24861.323b@mchsi.com>
References: <120720041918.24861.323b@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <40077.204.124.192.31.1102614628.squirrel@mail.dwightandamy.com>

I think multiple layers of security are the way to go and an external
firewall of a different os than the server is a good idea.

An IDS on the inside of the firewall is nice to have to let you know if
any sort of crap is getting past the firewall.  It also tends to give more
pertinant information than looking at the firewall logs.

With or without a firewall having both tcpwrappers and portsentry
installed and configured are extremly helpful.  I know at work we have
portsentry installed on all our hosts.  Yes, we do catch network probes on
boxes on the inside of our firewall on occasion.  Portsentry and our IDSes
make sure our suprise security audits aren't really a suprise to us ;-)

Also, it is very handy to have tripwire installed.  So you know what
changed if you ever get hacked.  Stuff like VMware and User Mode Linux are
also handy so you can run say the web server and the database under
different VMs or kernels and an exploit on one doesn't necessarly allow
them to exploit the other.  They also make it much easier to recover from
being hacked (just restore the VM or UML install from backup, patch the
exploit used and bring it back up).

Of course if you really are worried about security there are quite a few
things you can do on the host side.  Like booting from cdrom and mounting
all data filesystems with the noexec flag.

Here's an example of what my hosts.deny usually looks like on the boxes
where I have it automatically firewall out bad ssh connect attempts:

# Old version using a reject route, does not require ipchains or
firewalling being enabled
#sshd: ALL: spawn (/bin/logger -p auth.crit -t tcpwrappers "ssh connect
attempt from %h, address blocked";/sbin/route add %h reject) &

# New version
sshd: ALL: spawn (/bin/logger -p auth.crit -t tcpwrappers "ssh connect
attempt from %h, address blocked";/sbin/ipchains -I input -s %h -j DENY) &
ALL: ALL

Here's an example of the hosts.allow
# Allow imap connects from the following:
# 127.0.0.1   - the webmail software
# 117.215.13. - Home DSL connection, note there is a firewall rule on this
#               box blocking port 143, as a result remote imap is only
#               allowed via imaps on port 993.
imapd: 127.0.0.1, 117.215.13.

# Allow ssh connects from the following:
# 127.0.0.1   - For test purposes
# 117.215.13. - For my home DSL connection, my ISP gives out addresses
#               for my area in the 117.215.13.0/24 network.
# 65.37.      - Dial up ISP connection to allow connecting while I'm
#               out of town or if my DSL IP address suddenly changes
#               from the current class-b address block it is in.  This
#               address range is only for the ISP's Des Moines dial up
#               number.
sshd:   127.0.0.1, 117.215.13., 65.37.




From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 01:30:24 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:30:24 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] SQL Query
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9CB9@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

Is there something I'm missing here?

select * from workorders where (Customer=3D1 or Customer=3D2 or =
Customer=3D3 or Customer=3D7 or Customer=3D9) and (Priority=3D'E' or =
Priority=3D'A') and (Status=3D'O' or Status=3D'C') and =
(Assignment=3D'0001' or Assignment=3D'0002') and select * from =
workorders where (Customer=3D1 or Customer=3D2 or Customer=3D3 or =
Customer=3D7 or Customer=3D9) and (Priority=3D'E' or Priority=3D'A') and =
(Status=3D'O' or Status=3D'C') and (Assignment=3D'0001' or =
Assignment=3D'0002');=20


#1064 - You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that =
corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use =
near 'select * from workorders where (Customer=3D1 or Customer=3D2 or =
Cus=20






--------------------
Jonathan Bailey
POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
(515) 226-5005


From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 01:44:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bailey, Jonathan C)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] SQL Query
Message-ID: <DCE022779D345C41B7171066E70026C32E9CBA@bp1tulex001.bp1.ad.bp.com>

Opps.... Figured it out. $sql =3D and $sql .=3D are VERY different =
beasts...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Bailey, Jonathan C
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:30 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] SQL Query


Is there something I'm missing here?

select * from workorders where (Customer=3D1 or Customer=3D2 or =
Customer=3D3 or Customer=3D7 or Customer=3D9) and (Priority=3D'E' or =
Priority=3D'A') and (Status=3D'O' or Status=3D'C') and =
(Assignment=3D'0001' or Assignment=3D'0002') and select * from =
workorders where (Customer=3D1 or Customer=3D2 or Customer=3D3 or =
Customer=3D7 or Customer=3D9) and (Priority=3D'E' or Priority=3D'A') and =
(Status=3D'O' or Status=3D'C') and (Assignment=3D'0001' or =
Assignment=3D'0002');=20


#1064 - You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that =
corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use =
near 'select * from workorders where (Customer=3D1 or Customer=3D2 or =
Cus=20






--------------------
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POS Analyst
bailj0@bp.com
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 16:34:50 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
Message-ID: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>

Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some 
years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My 
main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT 
DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with 
good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas? 
Thanks a lot!


Jason


From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 23:37:54 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Academician Kula)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:37:54 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <20041211233754.GP10800@keymaster.madscientistresearch.net>

On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 10:34:50AM -0600, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some 
> years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My 
> main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT 
> DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with 
> good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas? 
> Thanks a lot!

Welcome to the list. 

I've been a user of Freese-Notis http://www.internet.weather.net/dsl.html
for several years and have been pretty happy with them. No Winders at
home (heck, no Linux either, all BSD, OS X and VMS here) and I haven't
had a problem. It is Freese-Notis as the DSL ISP and Qwest as the
DSL signalling, so it depends on whether you can't get Qwest/Verizon DSL
because their ISP side freaks out when you don't have Windows or if you
can't get it because their signalling side can't pump anything out to
you.

-- 
Thomas L. Kula | tkula@io.com | http://www.madscientistresearch.net
Mathom House upon the Canw, The People's Republic of Ames

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 00:08:56 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Mark Hesseltine)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:08:56 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <35e03aae041211160844f6a457@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:34:50 -0600, Rocket Robin Hood <jason@benalto.com> wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some
> years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My
> main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT
> DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with
> good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas?
> Thanks a lot!

Jason: 

I have Qwest DSL right now. They don't advertise it, but they offer a
no-frills ISP package that basically gets you a username@qwest.net
email address. Ask them about Qwest.net instead of MSN.
> 
> Jason
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


-- 
Mark Hesseltine
mailto:markhesseltine@gmail.com

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 00:29:30 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:29:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412111829090.19608@charmed.internetsolver.com>

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some
> years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My
> main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT
> DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with
> good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas?
> Thanks a lot!

We sell DSL, send me your home number off list and I'll see if you qualify 
or when you will

dave



-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 00:50:25 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Ryan Senior)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:50:25 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <1102812625.14312.28.camel@localhost>

I have Qwest DSL with the Qwest.net ISP.  When I talked to them last
they said that they did in fact support Linux.  They said it wasn't as
fully supported as Windows but they did support it.

I've not actually tested it out, but at least they admit they somewhat
support us freedom loving people.

-Ryan

On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 10:34, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some 
> years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My 
> main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT 
> DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with 
> good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas? 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> 
> Jason
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 00:56:36 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:56:36 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <1102812996.17880.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>

I use Qwest DSL, bought a nice Cisco DSU back when Qwest DSL was good.

On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 10:34 -0600, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some 
> years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My 
> main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT 
> DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with 
> good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas? 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> 
> Jason
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 18:39:05 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:39:05 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <35e03aae041211160844f6a457@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <35e03aae041211160844f6a457@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200412111239.06000.jason@benalto.com>

On Saturday 11 December 2004 18:08, Mark Hesseltine wrote:

> Jason:
>
> I have Qwest DSL right now. They don't advertise it, but they offer a
> no-frills ISP package that basically gets you a username@qwest.net
> email address. Ask them about Qwest.net instead of MSN.
>
> > Jason

I have a couple questions for ya, Mark, before I do that. I actually wouldn't 
mind sticking with Qwest, just because they might give me a deal on the DSL 
signalling/isp thing; I also like having one big bill to pay instead of a 
couple smaller ones. Maybe too personal but how much is this costing you per 
month?

Also, did you have Qwest BEFORE the big changeover a few years ago? I remember 
when that happened and (on the dial-up side) we were told we had the option 
to go to MSN, that all new users were going to be MSN 56K but we could hang 
out on Qwest as long as we wanted, being prior users. So I suspect, though I 
could be wrong, that the same deal applied to the DSL users.

Thanks for all yr help gentlemen. This list is awesome! I'm tired of funny 
looks from computer users who find out I use Linux. I'm still running on SuSE 
9.0 right now, usually a SuSE user but have tried Mandrake and liked it. But 
the apt-get for SuSE works way better in my experience then urpmi. Don't want 
to start a distro war - always ready to try Debian but it scares the crap 
outta me.

-jason


From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 18:39:54 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:39:54 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102812996.17880.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <1102812996.17880.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <200412111239.54239.jason@benalto.com>

On Saturday 11 December 2004 18:56, Chris Hilton wrote:
> I use Qwest DSL, bought a nice Cisco DSU back when Qwest DSL was good.

Qwest was never that great, but whatever was leftover from uswest kicked ass!



From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 02:03:04 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Patrick L. McGillan)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:03:04 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>

Hey,
I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.

Patrick


On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
> some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
> My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
> THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
> 56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
> Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
>
>
> Jason
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 02:27:53 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Renegade Muskrat)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:27:53 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <20041211233754.GP10800@keymaster.madscientistresearch.net>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20041211202435.00b0dec8@pop.ramaley.net>

I've also been a user of Freese Notis with Qwest providing the signal. 
I've been using them for about 5 years without a problem. One thing i 
like about Freese Notis is that they provide a static IP and don't care 
if you run servers. At the time i started with Freese Notis there 
weren't many other Linux friendly ISPs that i was aware of; i think 
today there is more variety (some of which may be cheaper... Freese 
Notis charges me $25/month).

 >I've been a user of Freese-Notis
 >http://www.internet.weather.net/dsl.html
 >for several years and have been pretty happy with them. No Winders at
 >home (heck, no Linux either, all BSD, OS X and VMS here) and I 
haven't
 >had a problem. It is Freese-Notis as the DSL ISP and Qwest as the
 >DSL signalling, so it depends on whether you can't get Qwest/Verizon
 >DSL
 >because their ISP side freaks out when you don't have Windows or if 
you
 >can't get it because their signalling side can't pump anything out to
 >you.
 >
 >--
 >Thomas L. Kula | tkula@io.com | http://www.madscientistresearch.net
 >Mathom House upon the Canw, The People's Republic of Ames
                                                -- Dan
   --------------------------------------------------------------------
             "I'm still sane on three planets and two moons."
   --------------------------------------------------------------------
       Daniel Ramaley                  3118 Cottage Grove Ave Apt 8
       dramaley at spatulacity dot cx        Des Moines, Iowa 50311
       http://www.spatulacity.cx/                    (515) 271-5233
   --------------------------------------------------------------------
        WARNING: REDISTRIBUTION OF THIS MESSAGE MAY BE IN
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 03:07:51 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20041211202435.00b0dec8@pop.ramaley.net>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20041211202435.00b0dec8@pop.ramaley.net>
Message-ID: <41BBB607.3010101@code0.net>

I vote Marshallnet. They provide DSL service in the Des Moines. 
1.5/1.0Mbit for $48/mo (incl qwest). Never had a problem.



Jon

Renegade Muskrat wrote:

> I've also been a user of Freese Notis with Qwest providing the signal. 
> I've been using them for about 5 years without a problem. One thing i 
> like about Freese Notis is that they provide a static IP and don't 
> care if you run servers. At the time i started with Freese Notis there 
> weren't many other Linux friendly ISPs that i was aware of; i think 
> today there is more variety (some of which may be cheaper... Freese 
> Notis charges me $25/month).
>
> >I've been a user of Freese-Notis
> >http://www.internet.weather.net/dsl.html
> >for several years and have been pretty happy with them. No Winders at
> >home (heck, no Linux either, all BSD, OS X and VMS here) and I haven't
> >had a problem. It is Freese-Notis as the DSL ISP and Qwest as the
> >DSL signalling, so it depends on whether you can't get Qwest/Verizon
> >DSL
> >because their ISP side freaks out when you don't have Windows or if you
> >can't get it because their signalling side can't pump anything out to
> >you.
> >
> >--
> >Thomas L. Kula | tkula@io.com | http://www.madscientistresearch.net
> >Mathom House upon the Canw, The People's Republic of Ames
>                                                -- Dan
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------
>             "I'm still sane on three planets and two moons."
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------
>       Daniel Ramaley                  3118 Cottage Grove Ave Apt 8
>       dramaley at spatulacity dot cx        Des Moines, Iowa 50311
>       http://www.spatulacity.cx/                    (515) 271-5233
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------
>        WARNING: REDISTRIBUTION OF THIS MESSAGE MAY BE IN
>                 VIOLATION OF APPLICABLE COPYRIGHT LAWS.
>                 THIS MESSAGE NOT GUARANTEED Y-TO-K COMPLIANT.
>
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 03:09:34 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:09:34 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>
Message-ID: <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>

Hey,

I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
any kind of flaming war on this list)

as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
powercycle equipment.

Neal
Patrick L. McGillan wrote:

>Hey,
>I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
>with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
>have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
>were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
>normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
>a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
>most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
>culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
>address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
>
>Patrick
>
>
>On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
>>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
>>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
>>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
>>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
>>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
>>
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Cialug mailing list
>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>    
>>
>_______________________________________________
>Cialug mailing list
>Cialug@cialug.org
>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>.
>
>  
>



From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 03:17:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:17:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>

Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
in under a decade)
5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
I please, not as they please.

That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
better than DSL (at the same cost).
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
> story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
> Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
> solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
> people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
> which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
> what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
> should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
> get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
> any kind of flaming war on this list)
> 
> as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
> doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
> powercycle equipment.
> 
> Neal
> Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
> 
> >Hey,
> >I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
> >with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
> >have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
> >were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
> >normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
> >a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
> >most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
> >culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
> >address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
> >
> >Patrick
> >
> >
> >On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
> >>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
> >>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
> >>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
> >>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
> >>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
> >>
> >>
> >>Jason
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Cialug mailing list
> >>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>    
> >>
> >_______________________________________________
> >Cialug mailing list
> >Cialug@cialug.org
> >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> >.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 11 21:39:48 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:39:48 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com> <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <200412111539.48929.jason@benalto.com>

Indeed, those ads are truly annoying.
Actually mediacom, if you don't have cable tv which I refuse to get, is 50 a 
month. Looks like I can get Freese for 42 or pay the extra six for Marshall 
and get the 1.5/1MB, which sounds good to me.
I wouldn't _mind_ cable - I remember my friend had cable, in his dorm at Drake 
(which had to be mega-shared amongst students) and it was still pretty fast. 
But that was...whatever the old company was, that closed down.
Thanks for all your help!

-jason

On Saturday 11 December 2004 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
> Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
> 1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
> 2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
> 3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
> 4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
> in under a decade)
> 5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
> response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
> 6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
> I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
> I please, not as they please.
>
> That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
> better than DSL (at the same cost).


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 04:26:49 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:26:49 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111539.48929.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
 <200412111539.48929.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <1102825609.3214.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>

Oh I love my University access.  Currently dling fbsd 5.2.1 large ISO at
625KB/s.

On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 15:39 -0600, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Indeed, those ads are truly annoying.
> Actually mediacom, if you don't have cable tv which I refuse to get, is 50 a 
> month. Looks like I can get Freese for 42 or pay the extra six for Marshall 
> and get the 1.5/1MB, which sounds good to me.
> I wouldn't _mind_ cable - I remember my friend had cable, in his dorm at Drake 
> (which had to be mega-shared amongst students) and it was still pretty fast. 
> But that was...whatever the old company was, that closed down.
> Thanks for all your help!
> 
> -jason
> 
> On Saturday 11 December 2004 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
> > Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
> > 1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
> > 2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
> > 3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
> > 4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
> > in under a decade)
> > 5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
> > response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
> > 6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
> > I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
> > I please, not as they please.
> >
> > That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
> > better than DSL (at the same cost).
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 05:19:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:19:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [OT]Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>	 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com> <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <41BBD4DB.4060507@c0wzftp.com>

Sounds like you have a problem with the TV side of mediacom. I only say 
this because i never see the ads you speak of as i never watch 
television (except during bad weather). I also have never seen this 
increase in price I've always paid $45/month for Internet (both in 
waterloo and Iowa city over the last 5 years). DSL has never been an 
option as the cost just to connect was/is over $300 for the first month 
and ~$45/month after that for less than half the bandwidth. i just wish 
i saw a positive in the whole digital cable/satellite dish era we are in 
right now. i find both stupid and annoying. neither is open source or 
can be open source. i look at either one and all i see is ads ads ads 
some people might call it SPAM. and thats $0.02 more.
Neal


Chris Hilton wrote:

>Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
>1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
>2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
>3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
>4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
>in under a decade)
>5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
>response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
>6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
>I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
>I please, not as they please.
>
>That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
>better than DSL (at the same cost).
>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
>  
>
>>Hey,
>>
>>I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
>>story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
>>Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
>>solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
>>people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
>>which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
>>what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
>>should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
>>get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
>>any kind of flaming war on this list)
>>
>>as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
>>doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
>>powercycle equipment.
>>
>>Neal
>>Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey,
>>>I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
>>>with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
>>>have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
>>>were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
>>>normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
>>>a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
>>>most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
>>>culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
>>>address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
>>>
>>>Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
>>>>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
>>>>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
>>>>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
>>>>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
>>>>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Cialug mailing list
>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Cialug mailing list
>Cialug@cialug.org
>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
>
>  
>



From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 06:56:01 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:56:01 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [OT]Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BBD4DB.4060507@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
 <41BBD4DB.4060507@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <1102834561.12443.1.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>

Digital is nice for the quality if you have the tube to take advantage
of it.  But yea, most of it is just stupid; spending $12 to get 11 HBO's
when you just wanted one....



On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 23:19 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> Sounds like you have a problem with the TV side of mediacom. I only say 
> this because i never see the ads you speak of as i never watch 
> television (except during bad weather). I also have never seen this 
> increase in price I've always paid $45/month for Internet (both in 
> waterloo and Iowa city over the last 5 years). DSL has never been an 
> option as the cost just to connect was/is over $300 for the first month 
> and ~$45/month after that for less than half the bandwidth. i just wish 
> i saw a positive in the whole digital cable/satellite dish era we are in 
> right now. i find both stupid and annoying. neither is open source or 
> can be open source. i look at either one and all i see is ads ads ads 
> some people might call it SPAM. and thats $0.02 more.
> Neal
> 
> 
> Chris Hilton wrote:
> 
> >Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
> >1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
> >2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
> >3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
> >4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
> >in under a decade)
> >5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
> >response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
> >6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
> >I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
> >I please, not as they please.
> >
> >That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
> >better than DSL (at the same cost).
> >On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hey,
> >>
> >>I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
> >>story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
> >>Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
> >>solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
> >>people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
> >>which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
> >>what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
> >>should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
> >>get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
> >>any kind of flaming war on this list)
> >>
> >>as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
> >>doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
> >>powercycle equipment.
> >>
> >>Neal
> >>Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hey,
> >>>I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
> >>>with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
> >>>have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
> >>>were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
> >>>normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
> >>>a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
> >>>most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
> >>>culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
> >>>address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
> >>>
> >>>Patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
> >>>>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
> >>>>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
> >>>>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
> >>>>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
> >>>>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Jason
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Cialug mailing list
> >>>>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Cialug mailing list
> >>>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>
> >>>.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Cialug mailing list
> >>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Cialug mailing list
> >Cialug@cialug.org
> >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 07:58:14 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:58:14 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <20041212075814.GA26798@kristau.net>

On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 10:34:50AM -0600, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for=
 some=20
> years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My=
=20
> main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines T=
HAT=20
> DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K w=
ith=20
> good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any id=
eas?=20
> Thanks a lot!
>=20
>=20
> Jason

I have had Qwest DSL with a qwest.net account in the past and I now have Me=
diacomm cable Internet.  Both were/are run through a linux-based firewall/N=
AT router. I never really needed any technical support, per se, from either=
 company, but I did run into the "we only support Windows and Macs" attitud=
e a couple of times.

With Qwest it was simply the fact that I had to be very careful to make sur=
e they sent me the external DSL router, not the internal PCI card.  At that=
 time (not sure nowadays) the internal card was not linux-compatible.  I al=
so opted against having a technician come into my home, ordering the "self =
installation kit."  I promptly tossed the Windows-centric documentation to =
the side and dug into the Cisco 675 manual and learned more CBOS than I eve=
r wanted to.

With Mediacomm I ordered my own Linksys cable modem, making sure to pick th=
e one they listed on their compatibility list.  I had no choice but to allo=
w a tech into my home, as he had to connect and run the cable to where my m=
odem was.  I'll first state that he was very nice because he didn't leave u=
ntil we got things working -- despite what his manager told him when he cal=
led the home office for help (I could hear his manager say, "We don't suppo=
rt that OS.  Hook up the cable and leave.").  Still, he was kinda clueless =
about the whole "linux thing."  I had to tell him more than a couple of tim=
es that he could not simply install the Windows software off of the CD in h=
is tool kit, as he was dealing with a completely different OS.  He finally =
got the hint when I told him it was "like a Mac."  He made a mistake when t=
rying to register my MAC with the home office through Mozilla, and it turne=
d out that Mozilla was caching the registration failure page so it kept bom=
bing out.  By clearing the browser cache and re-starting Mozilla, we were f=
inally able to get things going.

Perhaps some ISPs are realizing that Mac OSX is essentially a *nix, ergo th=
ey can provide basic support to any *nix-like system?  Not sure, but it is =
nice to hear that some ISPs are at least acknowledging the alternative as a=
 viable option.

later,
kristau
--=20
"It is far easier to feign ignorance than it is to feign knowledge."

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 15:42:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:42:38 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102812625.14312.28.camel@localhost>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <1102812625.14312.28.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1102866158.30681.32.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

I use 1.5/1.0 mb Marshallnet DSL here and it rocks... Its rock solid,
and the support it is exceptionally good. They don't freak when you're
running Linux...

On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 18:50, Ryan Senior wrote:
> I have Qwest DSL with the Qwest.net ISP.  When I talked to them last
> they said that they did in fact support Linux.  They said it wasn't as
> fully supported as Windows but they did support it.
> 
> I've not actually tested it out, but at least they admit they somewhat
> support us freedom loving people.
> 
> -Ryan
> 
> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 10:34, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> > Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for some 
> > years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat. My 
> > main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines THAT 
> > DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at 56K with 
> > good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL. Any ideas? 
> > Thanks a lot!
> > 
> > 
> > Jason
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 

Open Source Information Systems (OSIS)
Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave@osis.us>
641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 15:52:33 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:52:33 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

I don't agree that cable (mediacom) Internet is better than DSL.  I had
Mediacom.  Mediacom Internet is like the "ghetto of the internet".
Mediacom doesn't police their network well.

Just remember,  you may get a fast download connection, but your
upstream connection is usually limited to 128k...

So what if they say you can get 3mb downstream.  How many servers can
you download from that will actually support that rate? Almost none. 
You say you go peer-to-peer?  Try and do that at 6pm in the evening on
Mediacom's network. 

1.5/1.0mb DSL would be my first choice, from a small to mid-size
provider. 640/256kb DSL my second choice.  Mediacom would be my last
choice.

:) Dave



On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
> Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
> 1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
> 2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
> 3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
> 4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
> in under a decade)
> 5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
> response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
> 6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
> I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
> I please, not as they please.
> 
> That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
> better than DSL (at the same cost).
> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> > Hey,
> > 
> > I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
> > story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
> > Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
> > solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
> > people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
> > which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
> > what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
> > should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
> > get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
> > any kind of flaming war on this list)
> > 
> > as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
> > doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
> > powercycle equipment.
> > 
> > Neal
> > Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
> > 
> > >Hey,
> > >I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
> > >with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
> > >have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
> > >were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
> > >normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
> > >a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
> > >most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
> > >culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
> > >address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
> > >
> > >Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
> > >>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
> > >>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
> > >>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
> > >>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
> > >>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Jason
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>Cialug mailing list
> > >>Cialug@cialug.org
> > >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Cialug mailing list
> > >Cialug@cialug.org
> > >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > >.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 

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Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave@osis.us>
641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 17:22:43 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:22:43 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>	 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>	 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu> <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>

don't know what sites you download from but i get 3mbit all the time 
when i download from a server that isn't overloaded. and your mistaken 
the upstream is 256kbps (which isn't all that great either), but who 
needs that much upstream? its fine for uploading txt, pictures, and 
short movie files. if you really have the need for lots of upstream go 
with DSL (hope you live close to your carrier) and you can get that 
1.5mbit down/ 1.5mbit up (still for a very hefty price usually 
~$60-70/month right?). only people i've heard of using stuff like that 
are pirates, programmers, and those needing remote access(none of which, 
being related).

going back to sites that support the 3mbit, i thought that most webhosts 
give their sites ~>5mbps to work with usually. granted online gaming 
never uses more than proably 768kbps(if that), making it crucial to have 
DSL should you run a game server. most ISPs however are not server 
friendly(some will let you pay an extra monthly fee to get away with 
it), so check with your ISP about whether you can have a server or not.

all that other stuff aside, can you tell me what you mean by "doesn't 
police their network well" means? because they don't manage their 
network. AT&T does, or so i've been told by customer support. so blame 
AT&T (yes the same one thats the phone carrier). any AT&T fans in here?

and i don't respect that comment of "ghetto". don't use it again. very 
uncool.

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:

>I don't agree that cable (mediacom) Internet is better than DSL.  I had
>Mediacom.  Mediacom Internet is like the "ghetto of the internet".
>Mediacom doesn't police their network well.
>
>Just remember,  you may get a fast download connection, but your
>upstream connection is usually limited to 128k...
>
>So what if they say you can get 3mb downstream.  How many servers can
>you download from that will actually support that rate? Almost none. 
>You say you go peer-to-peer?  Try and do that at 6pm in the evening on
>Mediacom's network. 
>
>1.5/1.0mb DSL would be my first choice, from a small to mid-size
>provider. 640/256kb DSL my second choice.  Mediacom would be my last
>choice.
>
>:) Dave
>
>
>
>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
>  
>
>>Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
>>1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
>>2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
>>3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
>>4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
>>in under a decade)
>>5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
>>response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
>>6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
>>I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
>>I please, not as they please.
>>
>>That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
>>better than DSL (at the same cost).
>>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hey,
>>>
>>>I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
>>>story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
>>>Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
>>>solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
>>>people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
>>>which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
>>>what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
>>>should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
>>>get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
>>>any kind of flaming war on this list)
>>>
>>>as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
>>>doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
>>>powercycle equipment.
>>>
>>>Neal
>>>Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hey,
>>>>I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
>>>>with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
>>>>have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
>>>>were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
>>>>normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
>>>>a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
>>>>most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
>>>>culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
>>>>address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
>>>>>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
>>>>>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
>>>>>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
>>>>>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
>>>>>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 17:39:09 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:39:09 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>	 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>	 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu> <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <41BC823D.10403@c0wzftp.com>

just looked. fastest DSL i can physically get is IDSL. which from what 
i've read is the same as ISDN, woohoo. i live ~20000 ft from my Telco's 
switch. does anyone know if cable internet has any limitations of this 
sort? just curious.

reinstall hell wrote:

> don't know what sites you download from but i get 3mbit all the time 
> when i download from a server that isn't overloaded. and your mistaken 
> the upstream is 256kbps (which isn't all that great either), but who 
> needs that much upstream? its fine for uploading txt, pictures, and 
> short movie files. if you really have the need for lots of upstream go 
> with DSL (hope you live close to your carrier) and you can get that 
> 1.5mbit down/ 1.5mbit up (still for a very hefty price usually 
> ~$60-70/month right?). only people i've heard of using stuff like that 
> are pirates, programmers, and those needing remote access(none of 
> which, being related).
>
> going back to sites that support the 3mbit, i thought that most 
> webhosts give their sites ~>5mbps to work with usually. granted online 
> gaming never uses more than proably 768kbps(if that), making it 
> crucial to have DSL should you run a game server. most ISPs however 
> are not server friendly(some will let you pay an extra monthly fee to 
> get away with it), so check with your ISP about whether you can have a 
> server or not.
>
> all that other stuff aside, can you tell me what you mean by "doesn't 
> police their network well" means? because they don't manage their 
> network. AT&T does, or so i've been told by customer support. so blame 
> AT&T (yes the same one thats the phone carrier). any AT&T fans in here?
>
> and i don't respect that comment of "ghetto". don't use it again. very 
> uncool.
>
> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>
>> I don't agree that cable (mediacom) Internet is better than DSL.  I had
>> Mediacom.  Mediacom Internet is like the "ghetto of the internet".
>> Mediacom doesn't police their network well.
>>
>> Just remember,  you may get a fast download connection, but your
>> upstream connection is usually limited to 128k...
>>
>> So what if they say you can get 3mb downstream.  How many servers can
>> you download from that will actually support that rate? Almost none. 
>> You say you go peer-to-peer?  Try and do that at 6pm in the evening on
>> Mediacom's network.
>> 1.5/1.0mb DSL would be my first choice, from a small to mid-size
>> provider. 640/256kb DSL my second choice.  Mediacom would be my last
>> choice.
>>
>> :) Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
>>> 1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
>>> 2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
>>> 3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
>>> 4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost 
>>> $50
>>> in under a decade)
>>> 5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
>>> response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
>>> 6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
>>> I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to 
>>> charity as
>>> I please, not as they please.
>>>
>>> That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
>>> better than DSL (at the same cost).
>>> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the 
>>>> same story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It 
>>>> Simple Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your 
>>>> problems will be solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't 
>>>> know squat, but the people doing the service calls have always 
>>>> known their stuff (most of which that i've talked to being linux 
>>>> users themselves). I wish i knew what some people have against 
>>>> cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i should pay 2 seperate fees 
>>>> for the signal and then the isp service and get raped on my $1/bps. 
>>>> (please note that this is not an invite to start any kind of 
>>>> flaming war on this list)
>>>>
>>>> as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
>>>> doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
>>>> powercycle equipment.
>>>>
>>>> Neal
>>>> Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>> I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off 
>>>>> the modem with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it 
>>>>> up that night and have been happy since then. Once long ago, I 
>>>>> called them with a problem they were having, which they denied of 
>>>>> course. Next day everything was back to normal. Sometimes the 
>>>>> cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was a day and a 
>>>>> half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
>>>>> most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are 
>>>>> the biggest culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been 
>>>>> using the same ip address for at least two years. Bout all I can 
>>>>> say, hope it helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, 
>>>>>> have for
>>>>>> some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this 
>>>>>> could be neat.
>>>>>> My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in 
>>>>>> Des Moines
>>>>>> THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now 
>>>>>> I'm at
>>>>>> 56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, 
>>>>>> apparently) DSL.
>>>>>> Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>         
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>     
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
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>>>   
>>
>
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 17:46:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Alan Maupin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:46:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <20041212174626.E1B641F7C@www.cialug.org>

I've used DSL and Cable.  Mediacom Cable is the best deal going in the Des
Moines area as far as bandwidth is concerned.  Here's some data gleaned from
http://www.broadbandreports.com/ on my current Mediacom performance.

http://speedtest.broadbandreports.com
2004-12-12 12:35:40 EST: 2468 / 229
Your download speed : 2528255 bps, or 2468 kbps.
A 308.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 234559 bps, or 229 kbps.

Ankeny IA. - Line Status / Test History
Time (EST)	Test	Results..	Comment..
2004-09-26 00:56:48	Speed test 	2484/230 kbps
2004-09-25 23:20:45	Speed test  2450/222 kbps

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf Of
reinstall hell
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:23 AM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...

don't know what sites you download from but i get 3mbit all the time 
when i download from a server that isn't overloaded. and your mistaken 
the upstream is 256kbps (which isn't all that great either), but who 
needs that much upstream? its fine for uploading txt, pictures, and 
short movie files. if you really have the need for lots of upstream go 
with DSL (hope you live close to your carrier) and you can get that 
1.5mbit down/ 1.5mbit up (still for a very hefty price usually 
~$60-70/month right?). only people i've heard of using stuff like that 
are pirates, programmers, and those needing remote access(none of which, 
being related).

going back to sites that support the 3mbit, i thought that most webhosts 
give their sites ~>5mbps to work with usually. granted online gaming 
never uses more than proably 768kbps(if that), making it crucial to have 
DSL should you run a game server. most ISPs however are not server 
friendly(some will let you pay an extra monthly fee to get away with 
it), so check with your ISP about whether you can have a server or not.

all that other stuff aside, can you tell me what you mean by "doesn't 
police their network well" means? because they don't manage their 
network. AT&T does, or so i've been told by customer support. so blame 
AT&T (yes the same one thats the phone carrier). any AT&T fans in here?

and i don't respect that comment of "ghetto". don't use it again. very 
uncool.

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:

>I don't agree that cable (mediacom) Internet is better than DSL.  I had
>Mediacom.  Mediacom Internet is like the "ghetto of the internet".
>Mediacom doesn't police their network well.
>
>Just remember,  you may get a fast download connection, but your
>upstream connection is usually limited to 128k...
>
>So what if they say you can get 3mb downstream.  How many servers can
>you download from that will actually support that rate? Almost none. 
>You say you go peer-to-peer?  Try and do that at 6pm in the evening on
>Mediacom's network. 
>
>1.5/1.0mb DSL would be my first choice, from a small to mid-size
>provider. 640/256kb DSL my second choice.  Mediacom would be my last
>choice.
>
>:) Dave
>
>
>
>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
>  
>
>>Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
>>1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
>>2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
>>3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
>>4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
>>in under a decade)
>>5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
>>response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
>>6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
>>I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
>>I please, not as they please.
>>
>>That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
>>better than DSL (at the same cost).
>>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hey,
>>>
>>>I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
>>>story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
>>>Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
>>>solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
>>>people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
>>>which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
>>>what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
>>>should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
>>>get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
>>>any kind of flaming war on this list)
>>>
>>>as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
>>>doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
>>>powercycle equipment.
>>>
>>>Neal
>>>Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hey,
>>>>I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the
modem 
>>>>with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night
and 
>>>>have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem
they 
>>>>were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back
to 
>>>>normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest
was 
>>>>a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up
for 
>>>>most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the
biggest 
>>>>culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip

>>>>address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have
for
>>>>>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be
neat.
>>>>>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des
Moines
>>>>>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm
at
>>>>>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently)
DSL.
>>>>>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Cialug mailing list
>>>Cialug@cialug.org
>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>


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From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 17:49:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:49:02 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BC823D.10403@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com> <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com> <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu> <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com> <41BC823D.10403@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <20041212174902.GB26798@kristau.net>

On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 11:39:09AM -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> just looked. fastest DSL i can physically get is IDSL. which from what 
> i've read is the same as ISDN, woohoo. i live ~20000 ft from my Telco's 
> switch. does anyone know if cable internet has any limitations of this 
> sort? just curious.
> 

Cable does not have the 15,000 foot limitation that DSL does, so it tends to be available in more areas.  As other have mentioned, though, cable does tend to have a severely limited upstream bandwidth compared to its large downstream.  Cable is also a "bus architecture" meaning you may be sharing that 3 Megabits with the 100 or so other folks on the same cable.  DSL is a point-to-point digital line, so you get 100% of the bandwidth allocated to you.  That is, unless your ISP oversells the bandwidth they've purchased from their provider.

I had to get cable when I moved out to Johnston because DSL was not available.  In fact, our phone service was quite unstable the first several months we moved in, too.  Qwest still has our phones hooked through the Grimes exchange to this day.  We were told it was a "temporary line" but I have a feeling that's the way the phones have been since the house was built in 2000. . .

-- 
"It is far easier to feign ignorance than it is to feign knowledge."

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 18:04:16 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BC823D.10403@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>  <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>
 <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>  <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
 <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
 <41BC823D.10403@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412121203060.11771@charmed.internetsolver.com>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, reinstall hell wrote:
> just looked. fastest DSL i can physically get is IDSL. which from what i've 
> read is the same as ISDN, woohoo. i live ~20000 ft from my Telco's switch. 
> does anyone know if cable internet has any limitations of this sort? just 
> curious.

Are you sure? If the last 4 digits of your phone are 9567 then you qualify 
for DSL. They have been putting in remote DSLAMs in the qwest are to cover 
more subscribers.

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 20:30:50 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:30:50 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
 <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
 <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <1102883450.30681.70.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 11:22, reinstall hell wrote:
> don't know what sites you download from but i get 3mbit all the time 
> when i download from a server that isn't overloaded. and your mistaken 
> the upstream is 256kbps (which isn't all that great either), but who 

When I had mediacom here, in Marshalltown, upstream was capped at 128k.

> needs that much upstream? its fine for uploading txt, pictures, and 
> short movie files. if you really have the need for lots of upstream go 
> with DSL (hope you live close to your carrier) and you can get that 

Generally speaking, Linux users tend to be "power users" and use a lot
of upstream bandwidth.

> 1.5mbit down/ 1.5mbit up (still for a very hefty price usually 
> ~$60-70/month right?). only people i've heard of using stuff like that 

I pay Qwest $40 a month, and a small fee to my ISP.

> are pirates, programmers, and those needing remote access(none of which, 
> being related).
> going back to sites that support the 3mbit, i thought that most webhosts 
> give their sites ~>5mbps to work with usually. granted online gaming 

> never uses more than proably 768kbps(if that), making it crucial to have 
> DSL should you run a game server. most ISPs however are not server 

My experience is that many of smaller dsl providers are server friendly.
You have some choice with DSL providers. Pick one that works for you.

> friendly(some will let you pay an extra monthly fee to get away with 
> it), so check with your ISP about whether you can have a server or not.
> all that other stuff aside, can you tell me what you mean by "doesn't 
> police their network well" means? because they don't manage their 
> network. AT&T does, or so i've been told by customer support. so blame 
> AT&T (yes the same one thats the phone carrier). any AT&T fans in here?
> 

First of all Mediacom is providing you a service, who actually manages
their network is irrelevant.  You're buying a service from Mediacom.
Blaming AT&T is *nuts*. 

I was port scanned almost 10x more by Mediacom customers when I was on
Mediacom as I was anywhere else (I didn't count the scans that Mediacom
did on my machines) 90% of those scans originated from Mediacom
customers.  Email's to support regarding those and other "hostile"
activities went unanswered. Nothing every changed.. I could go on and on
and on... 

The Mediacom network was what I would consider "a hostile" envirnoment.
Hence, the "Ghetto comment". As far my opinion goes, I'll note that you
think it is uncool and disrespectful, however, it won't change. 

You can choose what Internet "neighborhood" you live in. I choose not to
live in Mediacom 'hood.


> and i don't respect that comment of "ghetto". don't use it again. very 
> uncool.
> 
> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> 
> >I don't agree that cable (mediacom) Internet is better than DSL.  I had
> >Mediacom.  Mediacom Internet is like the "ghetto of the internet".
> >Mediacom doesn't police their network well.
> >
> >Just remember,  you may get a fast download connection, but your
> >upstream connection is usually limited to 128k...
> >
> >So what if they say you can get 3mb downstream.  How many servers can
> >you download from that will actually support that rate? Almost none. 
> >You say you go peer-to-peer?  Try and do that at 6pm in the evening on
> >Mediacom's network. 
> >
> >1.5/1.0mb DSL would be my first choice, from a small to mid-size
> >provider. 640/256kb DSL my second choice.  Mediacom would be my last
> >choice.
> >
> >:) Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
> >>1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
> >>2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
> >>3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
> >>4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
> >>in under a decade)
> >>5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
> >>response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
> >>6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
> >>I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
> >>I please, not as they please.
> >>
> >>That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
> >>better than DSL (at the same cost).
> >>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hey,
> >>>
> >>>I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
> >>>story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
> >>>Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
> >>>solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
> >>>people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
> >>>which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
> >>>what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
> >>>should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
> >>>get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
> >>>any kind of flaming war on this list)
> >>>
> >>>as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
> >>>doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
> >>>powercycle equipment.
> >>>
> >>>Neal
> >>>Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Hey,
> >>>>I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
> >>>>with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
> >>>>have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
> >>>>were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
> >>>>normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
> >>>>a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
> >>>>most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
> >>>>culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
> >>>>address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
> >>>>
> >>>>Patrick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
> >>>>>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
> >>>>>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
> >>>>>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
> >>>>>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
> >>>>>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jason
> >>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>Cialug mailing list
> >>>>>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Cialug mailing list
> >>>>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>>
> >>>>.
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Cialug mailing list
> >>>Cialug@cialug.org
> >>>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>    
> >>
> 
> 
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Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave@osis.us>
641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 12 22:12:26 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jon Clemons)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:12:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com> <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com> <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com> <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu> <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com> <41BC823D.10403@c0wzftp.com> <20041212174902.GB26798@kristau.net>
Message-ID: <001701c4e097$aa0dc850$0200a8c0@rocket>

Actually Qwest ADSL limit is 18,000 ft:)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kristau@kristau.net>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...


> On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 11:39:09AM -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
>> just looked. fastest DSL i can physically get is IDSL. which from what
>> i've read is the same as ISDN, woohoo. i live ~20000 ft from my Telco's
>> switch. does anyone know if cable internet has any limitations of this
>> sort? just curious.
>>
>
> Cable does not have the 15,000 foot limitation that DSL does, so it tends 
> to be available in more areas.  As other have mentioned, though, cable 
> does tend to have a severely limited upstream bandwidth compared to its 
> large downstream.  Cable is also a "bus architecture" meaning you may be 
> sharing that 3 Megabits with the 100 or so other folks on the same cable. 
> DSL is a point-to-point digital line, so you get 100% of the bandwidth 
> allocated to you.  That is, unless your ISP oversells the bandwidth 
> they've purchased from their provider.
>
> I had to get cable when I moved out to Johnston because DSL was not 
> available.  In fact, our phone service was quite unstable the first 
> several months we moved in, too.  Qwest still has our phones hooked 
> through the Grimes exchange to this day.  We were told it was a "temporary 
> line" but I have a feeling that's the way the phones have been since the 
> house was built in 2000. . .
>
> -- 
> "It is far easier to feign ignorance than it is to feign knowledge."
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 13 02:57:30 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Chris Hilton)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:57:30 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>
 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>
 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
 <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <1102906650.1409.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>

I can get 3MB dl's (if I use several connections).

On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 09:52 -0600, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> I don't agree that cable (mediacom) Internet is better than DSL.  I had
> Mediacom.  Mediacom Internet is like the "ghetto of the internet".
> Mediacom doesn't police their network well.
> 
> Just remember,  you may get a fast download connection, but your
> upstream connection is usually limited to 128k...
> 
> So what if they say you can get 3mb downstream.  How many servers can
> you download from that will actually support that rate? Almost none. 
> You say you go peer-to-peer?  Try and do that at 6pm in the evening on
> Mediacom's network. 
> 
> 1.5/1.0mb DSL would be my first choice, from a small to mid-size
> provider. 640/256kb DSL my second choice.  Mediacom would be my last
> choice.
> 
> :) Dave
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:17, Chris Hilton wrote:
> > Because mediacom is one of the worst companies in our neighbourhood.
> > 1.)  Obnoxious ads constantly calling us thieves.
> > 2.)  Ads calling us stupid, saying we will eat monkey droppings.
> > 3.)  More outage time than a properly setup dish.
> > 4.)  Ever increasing cost for the same service. (from $30 to  almost $50
> > in under a decade)
> > 5.)  Annoying "people who have dishes are stupid" commercials in
> > response to "dishes kick butt and cable stinks" commercials.
> > 6.)  They take their price hike money and give it to local "charities."
> > I find this offensive as I would prefer to invest my money to charity as
> > I please, not as they please.
> > 
> > That's why I don't like Mediacom; but at this point Cable internet is
> > better than DSL (at the same cost).
> > On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 21:09 -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> > > Hey,
> > > 
> > > I've had mediacom for about 2 years as well. Pretty much with the same 
> > > story as far as level of service. As long as you "Keep It Simple 
> > > Stupid", if you ever have to call the tech people, your problems will be 
> > > solved in a timely manner. their phone techs don't know squat, but the 
> > > people doing the service calls have always known their stuff (most of 
> > > which that i've talked to being linux users themselves). I wish i knew 
> > > what some people have against cable ISPs, but i just don't see why i 
> > > should pay 2 seperate fees for the signal and then the isp service and 
> > > get raped on my $1/bps. (please note that this is not an invite to start 
> > > any kind of flaming war on this list)
> > > 
> > > as patrick said the biggest skill to fixing a cable connection that 
> > > doesn't want to stay connected, is to learn the appropriate way to 
> > > powercycle equipment.
> > > 
> > > Neal
> > > Patrick L. McGillan wrote:
> > > 
> > > >Hey,
> > > >I have had mchsi cable for a couple of years now. They dropped off the modem 
> > > >with the wife, one day while I was at work. I hooked it up that night and 
> > > >have been happy since then. Once long ago, I called them with a problem they 
> > > >were having, which they denied of course. Next day everything was back to 
> > > >normal. Sometimes the cable goes out, maybe once every 6 months. Longest was 
> > > >a day and a half, best I can remember. Have had a public web server up for 
> > > >most of the time, couple hunderd hits a day. Power flickers are the biggest 
> > > >culprit, just requires unplugging and repluggin'. Been using the same ip 
> > > >address for at least two years. Bout all I can say, hope it helps.
> > > >
> > > >Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Saturday 11 December 2004 10:34, you wrote:
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >>Hey there, first time poster, just joined the list. I use Linux, have for
> > > >>some years now and I'm the only one I know who does, so this could be neat.
> > > >>My main purpose right now is finding a DSL or cable provider in Des Moines
> > > >>THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT WHEN I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, haha. Right now I'm at
> > > >>56K with good ol' Qwest but can't go to Qwest (or Verizon, apparently) DSL.
> > > >>Any ideas? Thanks a lot!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Jason
> > > >>
> > > >>_______________________________________________
> > > >>Cialug mailing list
> > > >>Cialug@cialug.org
> > > >>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >Cialug mailing list
> > > >Cialug@cialug.org
> > > >http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 13 17:29:53 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:29:53 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <1102906650.1409.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>	 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>	 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>	 <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <1102906650.1409.0.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <41BDD191.6050508@visionary.com>

I think we're blessed by having 3 DSL ISP's on this list that are very 
Linux Friendly:

Freese-Notis - they also host the CIALUG server for us
InternetSolver.com - Dave Weis's company, he's also VP of the LUG
Marshallnet.com - Jon Clemons, who's a long-time member of this list

All of these guys run linux servers themselves, and none will "freak 
out" if you're running linux. I'm sure any one of them would be glad to 
have you as a customer.

I've used Qwest.net, Freese-Notis, and now InternetSolver for DSL.

With Qwest, I had to lie and tell them I was running Windows when we 
went thru the setup - he'd tell me "click on your Network Neighborhood 
and go to Properties..." and I'd be typing. He asked my what I was 
typing so much for, I told him I was taking notes... :) That was several 
years ago, so they may have changed their tone since then.

As far as the cable vs. DSL thing goes - it depends on what you want. 
Cable has a better download rate - about twice the fastest DSL speed. 
But upload speed is capped at 256k. I have 1.5m down and 1.0 up on my 
DSL, which is nice if you want to do hosting, or you frequently copy 
data back & forth. And technically, it's against your TOS to host web 
sites, ftp or email servers on your Mediacom cable service, even though 
some people do.

-dc



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 17:46:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Art Reisman)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:46:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for tomorrow
Message-ID: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com>

I will coming down from Omaha.

Sorry for spamming the whole list but my e-mail direct
to Nathan Smith bounced.


Art Reisman
www.apconnections.net
720-560-3568

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 18:48:28 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:48:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for
 tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240>

> I will coming down from Omaha.
>
> Sorry for spamming the whole list but my e-mail direct
> to Nathan Smith bounced.
>
>
> Art Reisman
> www.apconnections.net
> 720-560-3568
> _______________________________________________

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3345+106th+Circle&city=Urbandale&state=IA&zipcode=50322


 	1.  	Start out going EAST on US-6 E/DOUGLAS ST toward S 16TH ST.  	0.4
miles
	2. 	Merge onto US-6 E/I-480 E. 	0.7 miles
	3. 	Merge onto I-29 S toward KANSAS CITY/I-80. 	5.1 miles
	4. 	Take I-80 E toward DES MOINES. 	122.0 miles
	5. 	Take the DOUGLAS AVE exit- EXIT 126- toward URBANDALE. 	0.3 miles
	6. 	Turn RIGHT onto DOUGLAS AVE. 	0.3 miles
	7. 	Turn RIGHT onto 109TH ST. 	0.3 miles
	8. 	109TH ST becomes JUSTIN DR. 	0.2 miles
	9. 	Turn LEFT onto 106TH CIR. 	<0.1 miles
	10. 	End at 3345 106th Cir, Urbandale, IA 50322-3740 US
-- 
Kevin C. Smith

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 19:26:26 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:26:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
Message-ID: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6>

Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
Not even yum can find it as a dep.

Sincerely,

Joel

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:20:13 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Christopher Freeman)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:20:13 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
In-Reply-To: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com>

Joel Eddy wrote:

> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joel
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug 

Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out where it 
is on your system?

Chris

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:28:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:28:21 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
In-Reply-To: <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com>
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6>
 <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com>
Message-ID: <1103056101.30681.129.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

It is in the rpm:

mysqlclient10-3.23.58-4.i386.rpm

If you need to install this package search for libmysqlclient.so.10
on www.rpmfind.net Pick the version of the package that fits your
distro.

On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 14:20, Christopher Freeman wrote:
> Joel Eddy wrote:
> 
> > Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
> > Not even yum can find it as a dep.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Joel
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out where it 
> is on your system?
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 

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Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave@osis.us>
641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:33:01 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:33:01 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com>
Message-ID: <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6>

I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. And it
wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for libmysqlclient.so.10.

I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But so far I'm 
not
having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:

cannot load mysql extension,
please check PHP Configuration

which from the documents says:

>snipit>
[1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please check PHP 
Configuration".
To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions called "MySQL 
extension". This extension may be part of the PHP distribution (compiled-in), 
otherwise it needs to be loaded dynamically. Its name is probably mysql.so or 
php_mysql.dll. phpMyAdmin tried to load the extension but failed.

Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package called 
"PHP-MySQL" or something similar.

>snipit/>

I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.

Sincerely,

Joel Eddy
Iowa Connect, Inc.
http://www.iowaconnect.com
Ph. 641-456-5964
Fax 641-456-5912

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Freeman" <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep


> Joel Eddy wrote:
>
>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug@cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out where it is on 
> your system?
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:37:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:37:02 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
In-Reply-To: <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com> <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <41BF4EEE.1090600@visionary.com>

You can install phpmyadmin by simply downloading the .tgz from their web 
site and extracting it. You'll have to change the admin password in the 
config.inc.php (or something like that).

If you already have php & mysql working this would be an easy solution 
for you. If you still need to get the php mysql stuff working then you 
should probably keep heading down that path.

-dc

Joel Eddy wrote:
> I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. And it
> wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for 
> libmysqlclient.so.10.
> 
> I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But so 
> far I'm not
> having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:
> 
> cannot load mysql extension,
> please check PHP Configuration
> 
> which from the documents says:
> 
>> snipit>
> 
> [1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please check 
> PHP Configuration".
> To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions called 
> "MySQL extension". This extension may be part of the PHP distribution 
> (compiled-in), otherwise it needs to be loaded dynamically. Its name is 
> probably mysql.so or php_mysql.dll. phpMyAdmin tried to load the 
> extension but failed.
> 
> Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package called 
> "PHP-MySQL" or something similar.
> 
>> snipit/>
> 
> 
> I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
> Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Joel Eddy
> Iowa Connect, Inc.
> http://www.iowaconnect.com
> Ph. 641-456-5964
> Fax 641-456-5912
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Freeman" 
> <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
> 
> 
>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>
>>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joel
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out where 
>> it is on your system?
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug@cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:39:39 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:39:39 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for
 tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240>
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240>
Message-ID: <41BF4F8B.3010201@vonahsen.com>

to further clarify: (aka landmark directions)

> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3345+106th+Circle&city=Urbandale&state=IA&zipcode=50322
> 
> 
>  	1.  	Start out going EAST on US-6 E/DOUGLAS ST toward S 16TH ST.  	0.4
> miles
> 	2. 	Merge onto US-6 E/I-480 E. 	0.7 miles
> 	3. 	Merge onto I-29 S toward KANSAS CITY/I-80. 	5.1 miles
> 	4. 	Take I-80 E toward DES MOINES. 	122.0 miles
> 	5. 	Take the DOUGLAS AVE exit- EXIT 126- toward URBANDALE. 	0.3 miles
> 	6. 	Turn RIGHT onto DOUGLAS AVE. 	0.3 miles
> 	7. 	Turn RIGHT onto 109TH ST. 	0.3 miles

this is the second stop light after turning onto Douglas.  There is a 
gas station and a chinese restaurant on your right (between the two lights).

> 	8. 	109TH ST becomes JUSTIN DR. 	0.2 miles
> 	9. 	Turn LEFT onto 106TH CIR. 	<0.1 miles

at the bottom of the hill, just before "Jerry's Homes" sign (apologies 
in advance if it's not lit).

> 	10. 	End at 3345 106th Cir, Urbandale, IA 50322-3740 US

2nd driveway on the right (1st is for Jerry's)

-barry




From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:46:09 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:46:09 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for      tomorrow
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240> <41BF4F8B.3010201@vonahsen.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c4e21d$f142c3b0$0200a8c0@ici6>

Is this for the CIALUG meeting tomorrow?

Joel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry Von Ahsen" <barry@vonahsen.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for 
tomorrow


> to further clarify: (aka landmark directions)
>
>> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3345+106th+Circle&city=Urbandale&state=IA&zipcode=50322
>>
>>
>>  1.  Start out going EAST on US-6 E/DOUGLAS ST toward S 16TH ST.  0.4
>> miles
>> 2. Merge onto US-6 E/I-480 E. 0.7 miles
>> 3. Merge onto I-29 S toward KANSAS CITY/I-80. 5.1 miles
>> 4. Take I-80 E toward DES MOINES. 122.0 miles
>> 5. Take the DOUGLAS AVE exit- EXIT 126- toward URBANDALE. 0.3 miles
>> 6. Turn RIGHT onto DOUGLAS AVE. 0.3 miles
>> 7. Turn RIGHT onto 109TH ST. 0.3 miles
>
> this is the second stop light after turning onto Douglas.  There is a gas 
> station and a chinese restaurant on your right (between the two lights).
>
>> 8. 109TH ST becomes JUSTIN DR. 0.2 miles
>> 9. Turn LEFT onto 106TH CIR. <0.1 miles
>
> at the bottom of the hill, just before "Jerry's Homes" sign (apologies in 
> advance if it's not lit).
>
>> 10. End at 3345 106th Cir, Urbandale, IA 50322-3740 US
>
> 2nd driveway on the right (1st is for Jerry's)
>
> -barry
>
>
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 20:48:08 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:48:08 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com> <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4EEE.1090600@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <007301c4e21e$37e187c0$0200a8c0@ici6>

Well I think I have phpmyadmin running and all. I just get this error

cannot load mysql extension,
please check PHP Configuration

So I'm thinking it must be something in the config.inc.php file that I still 
don't
have right.

What's your guess.

Sincerely,

Joel Eddy
Iowa Connect, Inc.
http://www.iowaconnect.com
Ph. 641-456-5964
Fax 641-456-5912

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep


> You can install phpmyadmin by simply downloading the .tgz from their web site 
> and extracting it. You'll have to change the admin password in the 
> config.inc.php (or something like that).
>
> If you already have php & mysql working this would be an easy solution for 
> you. If you still need to get the php mysql stuff working then you should 
> probably keep heading down that path.
>
> -dc
>
> Joel Eddy wrote:
>> I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. And it
>> wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for 
>> libmysqlclient.so.10.
>>
>> I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But so far I'm 
>> not
>> having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:
>>
>> cannot load mysql extension,
>> please check PHP Configuration
>>
>> which from the documents says:
>>
>>> snipit>
>>
>> [1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please check PHP 
>> Configuration".
>> To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions called 
>> "MySQL extension". This extension may be part of the PHP distribution 
>> (compiled-in), otherwise it needs to be loaded dynamically. Its name is 
>> probably mysql.so or php_mysql.dll. phpMyAdmin tried to load the extension 
>> but failed.
>>
>> Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package called 
>> "PHP-MySQL" or something similar.
>>
>>> snipit/>
>>
>>
>> I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
>> Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joel Eddy
>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Freeman" 
>> <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>
>>
>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>>>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out where it is 
>>> on your system?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
>> Cialug@cialug.org
>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 21:03:31 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
In-Reply-To: <007301c4e21e$37e187c0$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com> <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4EEE.1090600@visionary.com> <007301c4e21e$37e187c0$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <41BF5523.4060006@visionary.com>

Make a page called test.php that contains:

<? phpinfo(); ?>

Load it in a browser. Look at the output for "mysql". It should be up 
near the top under "Configure Command", and possibly "Extensions". There 
should also be a "MySQL Support" section farther down the page. If not, 
you still have problems.

-dc

Joel Eddy wrote:
> Well I think I have phpmyadmin running and all. I just get this error
> 
> cannot load mysql extension,
> please check PHP Configuration
> 
> So I'm thinking it must be something in the config.inc.php file that I 
> still don't
> have right.
> 
> What's your guess.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Joel Eddy
> Iowa Connect, Inc.
> http://www.iowaconnect.com
> Ph. 641-456-5964
> Fax 641-456-5912
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
> 
> 
>> You can install phpmyadmin by simply downloading the .tgz from their 
>> web site and extracting it. You'll have to change the admin password 
>> in the config.inc.php (or something like that).
>>
>> If you already have php & mysql working this would be an easy solution 
>> for you. If you still need to get the php mysql stuff working then you 
>> should probably keep heading down that path.
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>
>>> I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. 
>>> And it
>>> wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for 
>>> libmysqlclient.so.10.
>>>
>>> I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But so 
>>> far I'm not
>>> having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:
>>>
>>> cannot load mysql extension,
>>> please check PHP Configuration
>>>
>>> which from the documents says:
>>>
>>>> snipit>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please check 
>>> PHP Configuration".
>>> To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions 
>>> called "MySQL extension". This extension may be part of the PHP 
>>> distribution (compiled-in), otherwise it needs to be loaded 
>>> dynamically. Its name is probably mysql.so or php_mysql.dll. 
>>> phpMyAdmin tried to load the extension but failed.
>>>
>>> Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package 
>>> called "PHP-MySQL" or something similar.
>>>
>>>> snipit/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
>>> Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joel Eddy
>>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Freeman" 
>>> <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>>>>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out 
>>>> where it is on your system?
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 21:34:58 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:34:58 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com> <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4EEE.1090600@visionary.com> <007301c4e21e$37e187c0$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF5523.4060006@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <008101c4e224$c2f36e90$0200a8c0@ici6>

In the Configure Command I see: '--with-mysql=shared

dbx
      dbx support  enabled
      dbx version  1.0.0
      supported databases  MySQL ODBC PostgreSQL Microsoft SQL Server FrontBase 
Oracle 8 (oci8) Sybase-CT



I don't see a MySQL section at all.

Do I dare give you the link to the server so you can take a look at it too?
Off list of coarse.

I mean I know your working and all.

Joel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep


> Make a page called test.php that contains:
>
> <? phpinfo(); ?>
>
> Load it in a browser. Look at the output for "mysql". It should be up near the 
> top under "Configure Command", and possibly "Extensions". There should also be 
> a "MySQL Support" section farther down the page. If not, you still have 
> problems.
>
> -dc
>
> Joel Eddy wrote:
>> Well I think I have phpmyadmin running and all. I just get this error
>>
>> cannot load mysql extension,
>> please check PHP Configuration
>>
>> So I'm thinking it must be something in the config.inc.php file that I still 
>> don't
>> have right.
>>
>> What's your guess.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joel Eddy
>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>
>>
>>> You can install phpmyadmin by simply downloading the .tgz from their web 
>>> site and extracting it. You'll have to change the admin password in the 
>>> config.inc.php (or something like that).
>>>
>>> If you already have php & mysql working this would be an easy solution for 
>>> you. If you still need to get the php mysql stuff working then you should 
>>> probably keep heading down that path.
>>>
>>> -dc
>>>
>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. And it
>>>> wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for 
>>>> libmysqlclient.so.10.
>>>>
>>>> I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But so far 
>>>> I'm not
>>>> having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:
>>>>
>>>> cannot load mysql extension,
>>>> please check PHP Configuration
>>>>
>>>> which from the documents says:
>>>>
>>>>> snipit>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please check PHP 
>>>> Configuration".
>>>> To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions called 
>>>> "MySQL extension". This extension may be part of the PHP distribution 
>>>> (compiled-in), otherwise it needs to be loaded dynamically. Its name is 
>>>> probably mysql.so or php_mysql.dll. phpMyAdmin tried to load the extension 
>>>> but failed.
>>>>
>>>> Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package called 
>>>> "PHP-MySQL" or something similar.
>>>>
>>>>> snipit/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
>>>> Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Joel Eddy
>>>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>>>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>>>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>>>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Freeman" 
>>>> <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>>>>>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out where it 
>>>>> is on your system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
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>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 22:10:41 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:10:41 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
In-Reply-To: <008101c4e224$c2f36e90$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com> <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4EEE.1090600@visionary.com> <007301c4e21e$37e187c0$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF5523.4060006@visionary.com> <008101c4e224$c2f36e90$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <41BF64E1.4030106@code0.net>

Check /etc/php/php.ini (or similer). Make sure there is a line with 
'extension=mysql.so' on it (exactly as in the quotes). If you're using 
it with Apache, you'll have to stop and start Apache. (apachectl stop, 
apachectl start   or   apache2ctl stop, apache2ctl start).


Jon

Joel Eddy wrote:

> In the Configure Command I see: '--with-mysql=shared
>
> dbx
>      dbx support  enabled
>      dbx version  1.0.0
>      supported databases  MySQL ODBC PostgreSQL Microsoft SQL Server 
> FrontBase Oracle 8 (oci8) Sybase-CT
>
>
>
> I don't see a MySQL section at all.
>
> Do I dare give you the link to the server so you can take a look at it 
> too?
> Off list of coarse.
>
> I mean I know your working and all.
>
> Joel
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>
>
>> Make a page called test.php that contains:
>>
>> <? phpinfo(); ?>
>>
>> Load it in a browser. Look at the output for "mysql". It should be up 
>> near the top under "Configure Command", and possibly "Extensions". 
>> There should also be a "MySQL Support" section farther down the page. 
>> If not, you still have problems.
>>
>> -dc
>>
>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>
>>> Well I think I have phpmyadmin running and all. I just get this error
>>>
>>> cannot load mysql extension,
>>> please check PHP Configuration
>>>
>>> So I'm thinking it must be something in the config.inc.php file that 
>>> I still don't
>>> have right.
>>>
>>> What's your guess.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joel Eddy
>>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" 
>>> <dave@visionary.com>
>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can install phpmyadmin by simply downloading the .tgz from 
>>>> their web site and extracting it. You'll have to change the admin 
>>>> password in the config.inc.php (or something like that).
>>>>
>>>> If you already have php & mysql working this would be an easy 
>>>> solution for you. If you still need to get the php mysql stuff 
>>>> working then you should probably keep heading down that path.
>>>>
>>>> -dc
>>>>
>>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. 
>>>>> And it
>>>>> wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for 
>>>>> libmysqlclient.so.10.
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But 
>>>>> so far I'm not
>>>>> having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:
>>>>>
>>>>> cannot load mysql extension,
>>>>> please check PHP Configuration
>>>>>
>>>>> which from the documents says:
>>>>>
>>>>>> snipit>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please 
>>>>> check PHP Configuration".
>>>>> To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions 
>>>>> called "MySQL extension". This extension may be part of the PHP 
>>>>> distribution (compiled-in), otherwise it needs to be loaded 
>>>>> dynamically. Its name is probably mysql.so or php_mysql.dll. 
>>>>> phpMyAdmin tried to load the extension but failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package 
>>>>> called "PHP-MySQL" or something similar.
>>>>>
>>>>>> snipit/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
>>>>> Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel Eddy
>>>>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>>>>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>>>>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>>>>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Freeman" 
>>>>> <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
>>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>>>>>>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joel
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out 
>>>>>> where it is on your system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
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>>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 22:29:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:21 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: dep
References: <005601c4e212$ce32f030$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4AFD.6010209@remote-print.com> <006201c4e21c$1b451390$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF4EEE.1090600@visionary.com> <007301c4e21e$37e187c0$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF5523.4060006@visionary.com> <008101c4e224$c2f36e90$0200a8c0@ici6> <41BF64E1.4030106@code0.net>
Message-ID: <009b01c4e22c$5b877960$0200a8c0@ici6>

I know that is in a file in /etc/php.d/mysql.ini


Joel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Bailey" <jcbailey@code0.net>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep


> Check /etc/php/php.ini (or similer). Make sure there is a line with 
> 'extension=mysql.so' on it (exactly as in the quotes). If you're using 
> it with Apache, you'll have to stop and start Apache. (apachectl stop, 
> apachectl start   or   apache2ctl stop, apache2ctl start).
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> Joel Eddy wrote:
> 
>> In the Configure Command I see: '--with-mysql=shared
>>
>> dbx
>>      dbx support  enabled
>>      dbx version  1.0.0
>>      supported databases  MySQL ODBC PostgreSQL Microsoft SQL Server 
>> FrontBase Oracle 8 (oci8) Sybase-CT
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't see a MySQL section at all.
>>
>> Do I dare give you the link to the server so you can take a look at it 
>> too?
>> Off list of coarse.
>>
>> I mean I know your working and all.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>
>>
>>> Make a page called test.php that contains:
>>>
>>> <? phpinfo(); ?>
>>>
>>> Load it in a browser. Look at the output for "mysql". It should be up 
>>> near the top under "Configure Command", and possibly "Extensions". 
>>> There should also be a "MySQL Support" section farther down the page. 
>>> If not, you still have problems.
>>>
>>> -dc
>>>
>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I think I have phpmyadmin running and all. I just get this error
>>>>
>>>> cannot load mysql extension,
>>>> please check PHP Configuration
>>>>
>>>> So I'm thinking it must be something in the config.inc.php file that 
>>>> I still don't
>>>> have right.
>>>>
>>>> What's your guess.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Joel Eddy
>>>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>>>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>>>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>>>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Champion" 
>>>> <dave@visionary.com>
>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can install phpmyadmin by simply downloading the .tgz from 
>>>>> their web site and extracting it. You'll have to change the admin 
>>>>> password in the config.inc.php (or something like that).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you already have php & mysql working this would be an easy 
>>>>> solution for you. If you still need to get the php mysql stuff 
>>>>> working then you should probably keep heading down that path.
>>>>>
>>>>> -dc
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm BEATING my head against the wall trying to install phpmyadmin. 
>>>>>> And it
>>>>>> wanted php-mysql installed which in turn was looking for 
>>>>>> libmysqlclient.so.10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally installed php-mysql with nodeps, out of frustration. But 
>>>>>> so far I'm not
>>>>>> having any luck with phpmyadmin. I keep getting:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cannot load mysql extension,
>>>>>> please check PHP Configuration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which from the documents says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snipit>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1.20] I receive the error "cannot load MySQL extension, please 
>>>>>> check PHP Configuration".
>>>>>> To connect to a MySQL server, PHP needs a set of MySQL functions 
>>>>>> called "MySQL extension". This extension may be part of the PHP 
>>>>>> distribution (compiled-in), otherwise it needs to be loaded 
>>>>>> dynamically. Its name is probably mysql.so or php_mysql.dll. 
>>>>>> phpMyAdmin tried to load the extension but failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Usually, the problem is solved by installing a software package 
>>>>>> called "PHP-MySQL" or something similar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snipit/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wish it would install as easy as the document makes it sound.
>>>>>> Either way here I sit all broken hearted had to $hit but only farted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel Eddy
>>>>>> Iowa Connect, Inc.
>>>>>> http://www.iowaconnect.com
>>>>>> Ph. 641-456-5964
>>>>>> Fax 641-456-5912
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Freeman" 
>>>>>> <cfreeman@remote-print.com>
>>>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] RE: dep
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joel Eddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where does one find the file: libmysqlclient.so.10
>>>>>>>> Not even yum can find it as a dep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joel
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you trying to find a package which provides it, or find out 
>>>>>>> where it is on your system?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
>>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> Cialug@cialug.org
>>>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 22:57:36 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:57:36 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Fw: CompUSA user groups special Thursday morning
Message-ID: <001001c4e230$4e1baa40$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>

Thought I'd pass along the following info:

> CompUSA is opening their store in Clive this Thursday morning Dec 16th 
> from
> 7 am to 9 am for User group members  friends and family.  This time was 
> set
> by their corporate office done at the last minute to help out local user
> groups.
>
> CompUSA will have coffee and donuts for us. They have the
> <http://www.compusa.com/adproducts/default.asp> regular sales items plus
> there are some clearance, one of a kind deals..  The manager  told me 
> there
> may be  some laptops and desktops in that category..  He also said that he
> would have a door prize for those that show up and put there names in a 
> hat
> such as a printer or scanner
>
> Des Moines Superstore
> Store # 711
> 10201 University, Suite D-1
> Westridge Shopping Center
> Clive, IA 50325
>
> Stop out and check out what they have to offer..  See the new stuff they
> have in there store.
> Even if you don't want to make a purchase, stop by and thank them for
> supporting user groups.
>
>
> David Williams
> On-Line Services & Program Coordinator
> Central Iowa Computer User Group
> www.ciacug.org

I don't know what kind of "deals" they'll actually have, but it'd be good 
just to walk through before work to let them know a headcount on people 
locally involved with user groups. It would be good to get some sort of 
standing deal like the one with OReilly. (yeah, I know I'm dreaming)

Don 



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 23:39:46 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:39:46 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: phpmyadmin
Message-ID: <00b301c4e236$31ef8a70$0200a8c0@ici6>

could it be that the php-4.3.8-2.1 rpm from redhat doesn't have support for 
mysql compiled in.
and that's why it isn't working?


Joel 


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 23:44:00 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dan Schlichting)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:44:00 -0500
Subject: [Cialug] Question about going broadband in Des Moines...
In-Reply-To: <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
References: <200412111034.50389.jason@benalto.com>	 <E1CdJ4c-0003Zz-00@web.pateri.com>  <41BBB66E.1060002@c0wzftp.com>	 <1102821443.1425.4.camel@chris129.student.iastate.edu> <1102866752.30681.42.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41BC7E63.7040701@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <20041214234224.M77615@cpugeek.org>

Actually qwest is upgrading all 640 K user to 1.5 and a half free until Jan 
7th or something. I am only paying $32

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:22:43 -0600, reinstall hell wrote
> don't know what sites you download from but i get 3mbit all the time 
> when i download from a server that isn't overloaded. and your 
> mistaken the upstream is 256kbps (which isn't all that great either),
>  but who needs that much upstream? its fine for uploading txt, 
> pictures, and short movie files. if you really have the need for 
> lots of upstream go with DSL (hope you live close to your carrier) 
> and you can get that 

> 1.5mbit down/ 1.5mbit up (still for a very hefty price usually ~$60-
> 70/month right?). only people i've heard of using stuff like that 
> are pirates, programmers, and those needing remote access(none of 
> which, being related).



Trim --

-----------------------------------------------------
Dan J Schlichting
http://www.cpugeek.org
dan@cpugeek.org


From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 00:06:32 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:06:32 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] RE: phpmyadmin
In-Reply-To: <00b301c4e236$31ef8a70$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <00b301c4e236$31ef8a70$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <41BF8008.9060701@visionary.com>

Joel Eddy wrote:
> could it be that the php-4.3.8-2.1 rpm from redhat doesn't have support 
> for mysql compiled in.
> and that's why it isn't working?

You probably need a php-mysql or some such rpm on your system. On my 
Mandrake system it's called "php-mysql-<version>.rpm".

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 18:26:13 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for      tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240>
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240>
Message-ID: <200412141226.13125.jason@benalto.com>

Hey, can just anyone pop in on these meetings? What goes on?

-jason


From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 01:07:30 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:07:30 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for
 tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <200412141226.13125.jason@benalto.com>
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> <60371.66.43.220.240.1103050108.squirrel@66.43.220.240> <200412141226.13125.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <41BF8E52.5090308@visionary.com>

Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> Hey, can just anyone pop in on these meetings? What goes on?
> 
> -jason

Only people who have their PC's clock set correctly. :p

No, really. Set your clock.

Yes, anyone is welcome. This month we have a presentation (see previous 
email). If we don't have a presentation, we just do a Q&A session, try 
to troubleshoot somone's Linux problems, or surf slashdot.

We usually adjourn to a someplace like Click's - 
http://www.clickscyberbar.com - and have a few beverages and / or play 
some games.

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 14 18:49:48 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:49:48 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for      tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <41BF8E52.5090308@visionary.com>
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> <200412141226.13125.jason@benalto.com> <41BF8E52.5090308@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <200412141249.48401.jason@benalto.com>

On Tuesday 14 December 2004 19:07, David Champion wrote:
> Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> > Hey, can just anyone pop in on these meetings? What goes on?
> >
> > -jason
>
> Only people who have their PC's clock set correctly. :p

I have, a million times since I bought this last year. It never stays.

> No, really. Set your clock.

ARGGHHHH

> Yes, anyone is welcome. This month we have a presentation (see previous
> email). If we don't have a presentation, we just do a Q&A session, try
> to troubleshoot somone's Linux problems, or surf slashdot.
>
> We usually adjourn to a someplace like Click's -
> http://www.clickscyberbar.com - and have a few beverages and / or play
> some games.

Sweet, maybe I'll show up..got all the driving directions in my inbox 
already....

-jason



From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 01:22:26 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:22:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Would somebody be kind enough to send directions for      tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <200412141249.48401.jason@benalto.com>
References: <20041214174602.57958.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> <200412141226.13125.jason@benalto.com> <41BF8E52.5090308@visionary.com> <200412141249.48401.jason@benalto.com>
Message-ID: <20041215012226.GI26798@kristau.net>

On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 12:49:48PM -0600, Rocket Robin Hood wrote:
> I have, a million times since I bought this last year. It never stays.

Sounds like a good thing to pose to the group either before the presentation or after it!

later,
kristau
-- 
"It is far easier to feign ignorance than it is to feign knowledge."

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 01:46:31 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:46:31 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Greylisting
Message-ID: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>

I've been working with greylisting (http://greylisting.org/) with one 
of my qmail servers and so far, I've seen a dramatic improvement in 
spam reduction over any sort of bayesian spam filtering!  The load 
average on my server has dropped to near 0.06 where it normally hangs 
around 1.0-15.0 depending on who's attacking it ;)

If anyone is interested, I can share more about how it works, but the 
websites available are probably a better teacher than I am.

-Tom


From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 01:59:44 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:59:44 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Greylisting
In-Reply-To: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>
References: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20041215015944.GJ26798@kristau.net>

On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:46:31PM -0600, Tom Pohl wrote:
> I've been working with greylisting (http://greylisting.org/) with one 
> of my qmail servers and so far, I've seen a dramatic improvement in 
> spam reduction over any sort of bayesian spam filtering!  The load 
> average on my server has dropped to near 0.06 where it normally hangs 
> around 1.0-15.0 depending on who's attacking it ;)
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can share more about how it works, but the 
> websites available are probably a better teacher than I am.
> 
> -Tom

Not trying to volunteer you, but it sounds like a good presentation topic.

-- 
"It is far easier to feign ignorance than it is to feign knowledge."

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 02:05:54 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Academician Kula)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Greylisting
In-Reply-To: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>
References: <25225AFA-4E3B-11D9-927D-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20041215020554.GR10800@keymaster.madscientistresearch.net>

On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:46:31PM -0600, Tom Pohl wrote:
> I've been working with greylisting (http://greylisting.org/) with one 
> of my qmail servers and so far, I've seen a dramatic improvement in 
> spam reduction over any sort of bayesian spam filtering!  The load 
> average on my server has dropped to near 0.06 where it normally hangs 
> around 1.0-15.0 depending on who's attacking it ;)
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can share more about how it works, but the 
> websites available are probably a better teacher than I am.

Greylisting is an interesting concept and a neat tool to help prevent
spam mail. We're using it at ISU. You also learn how many people have
stupid SMTP implemenations, and how many people running those can't
answer what I would consider pretty basic e-mail administration 
questions....

-- 
Thomas L. Kula | tkula@io.com | http://www.madscientistresearch.net
Mathom House upon the Canw, The People's Republic of Ames

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 02:18:14 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:18:14 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Greylisting
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B34@DSMEXCH>


I've been working with greylisting (http://greylisting.org/) with one 
of my qmail servers and so far, I've seen a dramatic improvement in 
spam reduction over any sort of bayesian spam filtering!  The load 
average on my server has dropped to near 0.06 where it normally hangs 
around 1.0-15.0 depending on who's attacking it ;)

If anyone is interested, I can share more about how it works, but the 
websites available are probably a better teacher than I am.


This is interesting, I had been wondering how long it would be before there
was a need to "quarantine" e-mail for some abount of time.  I had thought it
would be necessary for viruses.  (hold the message for n units of time,
update the virus signature, scan the message again, pass it along)
Interesting that it might help with Spam in this way.

-Nate

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 02:32:33 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:32:33 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B36@DSMEXCH>

Tomorrow night, if all goes well, Art Reisman will be with us.

Mr Reisman's company APConnections  http://www.netequalizer.com/ sells the
NetEqualizer product.  A small computer/appliance running Linux used to
shape network traffic by artibtrating or equalizing access to limited
bandwidth.  Mr. Reisman will talk about the NetEqualizer technology and
about starting a company based on open-source software.  Please bring your
questions and welcome him.

His opensource project "Linux Bandwidth Arbitrator" is located here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arbitrator/

-Nate

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 02:45:03 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:45:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] RE: phpmyadmin
In-Reply-To: <00b301c4e236$31ef8a70$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <00b301c4e236$31ef8a70$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412142044440.32450@charmed.internetsolver.com>

it is put into sections to help with dependencies.

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Joel Eddy wrote:

> could it be that the php-4.3.8-2.1 rpm from redhat doesn't have support for 
> mysql compiled in.
> and that's why it isn't working?
>
>
> Joel 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 15 21:12:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Aaron Porter)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:12:02 -0800
Subject: [Cialug] Greylisting
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B34@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B34@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <667aab9204121513126221588f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:18:14 -0600, Nathan C. Smith <smith@ipmvs.com> wrote:
> This is interesting, I had been wondering how long it would be before there
> was a need to "quarantine" e-mail for some abount of time.  I had thought it
> would be necessary for viruses.  (hold the message for n units of time,
> update the virus signature, scan the message again, pass it along)
> Interesting that it might help with Spam in this way.

A distressing ammount of spam is actually being sent by trojan'ed or
zombie desktop machines. and it' s just too expensive for them to
retry delivery. Enabling greylisting (using milter-greylist for
sendmail) on my host dropped my inbound spam by just over 90% --
meaning the number of messages that SpamAssassin gets run against. It
reduced the number of spams that actually made it into my inbox by
99.58% over the last 4 months (compared to the previous 4 months with
SpamAssassin alone).

May not be representative, pre-greylisting my average spamcount was
9500/day with peaks over 15000/day.

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 16:29:07 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:29:07 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] SMTP and ESMTP
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B51@DSMEXCH>

Is it common for an MTA to just assume a server it is sending to speaks
ESMTP or should it check first?  

The MTA in question is zmailer and I'm sending to some kind of MTA or
firewall that seems to only speak SMTP and there doesn't appear to be any
fallback going on.

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:32:09 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:32:09 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] BVU Laptop FYI
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B62@DSMEXCH>

Don't know if anybody is headed in that direction but BVU is selling 2 year
old Gateway laptops.  http://www.bvu.edu/news/topnews.asp?id=749292

$500 seems high to me.

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:34:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:34:21 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] BVU Laptop FYI
Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328E7D2@DES10MS01>

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My little brother goes to college there.  If anyone is really interested
feel free to mail me off list and I'll get you in touch with him.

They are college kids laptops...hence they do tend to get beat up on a bit.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan C. Smith [mailto:smith@ipmvs.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:32 PM
> To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
> Subject: [Cialug] BVU Laptop FYI
> 
> 
> 
> Don't know if anybody is headed in that direction but BVU is 
> selling 2 year
> old Gateway laptops.  http://www.bvu.edu/news/topnews.asp?id=749292
> 
> $500 seems high to me.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:37:10 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Contact info for Mr Reisman
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B63@DSMEXCH>

email art@apconnections.net

If you call the number on the web page chances are about 30% you will end up
talking to him.

If anyone has questions about the product I would entertain them.  I have
one unit and I'm pretty happy with it.  Especially since they added the
priority feature.

-Nate

-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan C. Smith 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:33 PM
To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
Subject: Meeting Reminder



Tomorrow night, if all goes well, Art Reisman will be with us.

Mr Reisman's company APConnections  http://www.netequalizer.com/ sells the
NetEqualizer product.  A small computer/appliance running Linux used to
shape network traffic by artibtrating or equalizing access to limited
bandwidth.  Mr. Reisman will talk about the NetEqualizer technology and
about starting a company based on open-source software.  Please bring your
questions and welcome him.

His opensource project "Linux Bandwidth Arbitrator" is located here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/arbitrator/

-Nate

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:39:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:39:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] BVU Laptop FYI
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B62@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B62@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41C200A3.2010907@visionary.com>

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> Don't know if anybody is headed in that direction but BVU is selling 2 year
> old Gateway laptops.  http://www.bvu.edu/news/topnews.asp?id=749292
> 
> $500 seems high to me.

That seems to be about what they're selling for on ebay. Not a terrible 
price.

Interesting to see on that link that BVU is installing OpenOffice on 
them. I met one of their systems / networking guys a couple years ago 
and chatted for a while about their wireless networking and stuff. IIRC, 
that was maybe at an installfest?

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:41:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:41:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B64@DSMEXCH>

Dave,

What was that network tool you had running last night that had a circle with
points around the edge and looked like a radar scope or something?

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:42:51 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:42:51 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] BVU Laptop FYI
Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328E7D4@DES10MS01>

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http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/450SX4/3501271sp2.shtml

Specs incase anyone is interested

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Champion [mailto:dave@visionary.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:40 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] BVU Laptop FYI
> 
> 
> Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> > Don't know if anybody is headed in that direction but BVU 
> is selling 2 year
> > old Gateway laptops.  http://www.bvu.edu/news/topnews.asp?id=749292
> > 
> > $500 seems high to me.
> 
> That seems to be about what they're selling for on ebay. Not 
> a terrible 
> price.
> 
> Interesting to see on that link that BVU is installing OpenOffice on 
> them. I met one of their systems / networking guys a couple years ago 
> and chatted for a while about their wireless networking and 
> stuff. IIRC, 
> that was maybe at an installfest?
> 
> -dc
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 16 21:46:58 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:46:58 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B64@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B64@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41C20252.2020101@visionary.com>

EtherApe. It's purty, but doesn't give you a lot of "real" data.

-dc

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> What was that network tool you had running last night that had a circle with
> points around the edge and looked like a radar scope or something?
> 
> -Nate
> 
> Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 



From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 17 14:38:54 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:38:54 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B64@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <00b801c4e446$22246270$c802a8c0@tim>


-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Nathan C. Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:42 PM
To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
Subject: [Cialug] network tool



Dave,

What was that network tool you had running last night that had a circle
with points around the edge and looked like a radar scope or something?

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  
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From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 17 17:09:57 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:09:57 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <00b801c4e446$22246270$c802a8c0@tim>
References: <00b801c4e446$22246270$c802a8c0@tim>
Message-ID: <41C312E5.9080307@visionary.com>

Tim Berneman wrote:

...

I think Tim was just saying "hi". He just installed a new Mandrake 10.1 
server yesterday, and is working on getting a web site up.

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 18 07:05:48 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:05:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Odd reaction
Message-ID: <34380.192.168.0.100.1103353548.squirrel@192.168.0.100>

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/17/2155238&from=rss
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/12/16/microsoft.spyware.ap/index.html

I thought the general reaction on /. to be a little odd. It seems to me that
Microsoft if playing fair (this time).

-- 
Kevin C. Smith

From cialug@cialug.org  Sat Dec 18 16:58:28 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:58:28 -0600
Subject: {Spam?} Re: [Cialug] Odd reaction
In-Reply-To: <34380.192.168.0.100.1103353548.squirrel@192.168.0.100>
References: <34380.192.168.0.100.1103353548.squirrel@192.168.0.100>
Message-ID: <20041218165828.GW19490@etrumeus.com>

On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 01:05:48AM -0600, Kevin C. Smith wrote:
> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/17/2155238&from=rss
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/12/16/microsoft.spyware.ap/index.html
> 
> I thought the general reaction on /. to be a little odd. It seems to me that
> Microsoft if playing fair (this time).

I guess if you look at in software marketing terms, in which
instead of completely undercutting the still-infant anti-spyware
software market by bundling their own solution at no additional
charge, they are selling their solution, then yeah it seems like
they are being more fair than when they've just attempted to
englobulate whole markets (office productivity, web browsing,
media players) by ties and bundling.  That's a macro view of the
situation.

At the microeconomic level, talking about individual Microsoft
customers, it looks like charging the customer to fix problems
that are partially the result of Microsoft's design decisions
(which just happen also to be related to the bundling mentioned
above) in the first place.  

Those of us who are less beholden to Microsoft because we've
made other choices might be more enthused by the first
perspective, and have less sympathy for the second one.  After
all, it's not like these folks weren't going to need
anti-spyware stuff one way or the other, so long as they stick
with their current OS.

-- 
Joe

From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 19 03:22:32 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:22:32 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Computers For Sale
Message-ID: <41C4F3F8.5030300@code0.net>

I've got 3 machines for sale at the moment. I'll take the best offer.

Toshiba Satellite Laptop
- 350Mhz PII
- 192MB RAM
- 6GB HD
- Xircom RealPort Network/Modem Card (unknown if works)
- SMC 802.11b card
- 2 batteries (unknown condition)
- Screen does 'shake' if its moved too much, but if its on a steady 
surface, it works fine.

Compaq Presario
- 350Mhz PII
- 256MB RAM
- 6GB & 4GB HD
- NO CD-ROM or Zip
- Intel 10/100 NIC (besides onboard 10mbit tulip)

Gateway Connected Touchpad
- Transmeta TM3200
- 64MB RAM
- Header for 2.5" HD
- HomePNA networking
-http://support.gateway.com/s/Netppliance/2800032/280003201.shtml
-http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowBoard&Board=aolgw&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Session=



From cialug@cialug.org  Sun Dec 19 04:06:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:06:21 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <41C312E5.9080307@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <005301c4e580$194d08b0$c802a8c0@tim>

Actually I was typing in a "Long time lurker, first time post" message
with a question and I just
decided to call the horse (Dave Champion ala dc) and get it straight
from his mouth. ;)  I musta
accidentally sent the message instead of deleting it.

I did install Madrake 10.1 and I got my webserver up and domain pointed
to it and with Daves
help figured out there was a problem with the A record at the DNS server
and got that fixed.

My next step is to get an email server running.  And then ftp.

Hope I don't embarrass myself her with my lack of knowledge.

Tim :)

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
Of David Champion
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:10 AM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] network tool


Tim Berneman wrote:

...

I think Tim was just saying "hi". He just installed a new Mandrake 10.1 
server yesterday, and is working on getting a web site up.

-dc

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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 14:45:35 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:45:35 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <005301c4e580$194d08b0$c802a8c0@tim>
Message-ID: <00a901c4e6a2$91befd80$c802a8c0@tim>

Oh, and also mySQL and PHP.

What's the concenses of PHP vs. Perl?

Tim :)

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Tim Berneman
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:06 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: RE: [Cialug] network tool


Actually I was typing in a "Long time lurker, first time post" message
with a question and I just decided to call the horse (Dave Champion ala
dc) and get it straight from his mouth. ;)  I musta accidentally sent
the message instead of deleting it.

I did install Madrake 10.1 and I got my webserver up and domain pointed
to it and with Daves help figured out there was a problem with the A
record at the DNS server and got that fixed.

My next step is to get an email server running.  And then ftp.

Hope I don't embarrass myself her with my lack of knowledge.

Tim :)

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
Of David Champion
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:10 AM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] network tool


Tim Berneman wrote:

...

I think Tim was just saying "hi". He just installed a new Mandrake 10.1 
server yesterday, and is working on getting a web site up.

-dc

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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 14:55:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:55:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <00a901c4e6a2$91befd80$c802a8c0@tim>
References: <00a901c4e6a2$91befd80$c802a8c0@tim>
Message-ID: <1103554527.379.43.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

PHP, in my opinion has a shorter learning curve and can handle 99% of
the web-based scripting that you might want to do. Perl tends to have a
slightly longer learning curve, but is also a good tool for 99% of what
you need to do, and a better choice for the 1% of the weird things you
might want to do.

:) Dave


On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 08:45, Tim Berneman wrote:
> Oh, and also mySQL and PHP.
> 
> What's the concenses of PHP vs. Perl?
> 
> Tim :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
> Of Tim Berneman
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:06 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: RE: [Cialug] network tool
> 
> 
> Actually I was typing in a "Long time lurker, first time post" message
> with a question and I just decided to call the horse (Dave Champion ala
> dc) and get it straight from his mouth. ;)  I musta accidentally sent
> the message instead of deleting it.
> 
> I did install Madrake 10.1 and I got my webserver up and domain pointed
> to it and with Daves help figured out there was a problem with the A
> record at the DNS server and got that fixed.
> 
> My next step is to get an email server running.  And then ftp.
> 
> Hope I don't embarrass myself her with my lack of knowledge.
> 
> Tim :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
> Of David Champion
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:10 AM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] network tool
> 
> 
> Tim Berneman wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> I think Tim was just saying "hi". He just installed a new Mandrake 10.1 
> server yesterday, and is working on getting a web site up.
> 
> -dc
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 15:27:34 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Stout)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:27:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Cialug] Computers For Sale
In-Reply-To: <41C4F3F8.5030300@code0.net>
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do you have any left?

Jonathan Bailey <jcbailey@code0.net> wrote:I've got 3 machines for sale at the moment. I'll take the best offer.

Toshiba Satellite Laptop
- 350Mhz PII
- 192MB RAM
- 6GB HD
- Xircom RealPort Network/Modem Card (unknown if works)
- SMC 802.11b card
- 2 batteries (unknown condition)
- Screen does 'shake' if its moved too much, but if its on a steady 
surface, it works fine.

Compaq Presario
- 350Mhz PII
- 256MB RAM
- 6GB & 4GB HD
- NO CD-ROM or Zip
- Intel 10/100 NIC (besides onboard 10mbit tulip)

Gateway Connected Touchpad
- Transmeta TM3200
- 64MB RAM
- Header for 2.5" HD
- HomePNA networking
-http://support.gateway.com/s/Netppliance/2800032/280003201.shtml
-http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowBoard&Board=aolgw&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Session=


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<DIV>do you have any left?<BR><BR><B><I>Jonathan Bailey &lt;jcbailey@code0.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I've got 3 machines for sale at the moment. I'll take the best offer.<BR><BR>Toshiba Satellite Laptop<BR>- 350Mhz PII<BR>- 192MB RAM<BR>- 6GB HD<BR>- Xircom RealPort Network/Modem Card (unknown if works)<BR>- SMC 802.11b card<BR>- 2 batteries (unknown condition)<BR>- Screen does 'shake' if its moved too much, but if its on a steady <BR>surface, it works fine.<BR><BR>Compaq Presario<BR>- 350Mhz PII<BR>- 256MB RAM<BR>- 6GB &amp; 4GB HD<BR>- NO CD-ROM or Zip<BR>- Intel 10/100 NIC (besides onboard 10mbit tulip)<BR><BR>Gateway Connected Touchpad<BR>- Transmeta TM3200<BR>- 64MB RAM<BR>- Header for 2.5" HD<BR>- HomePNA
 networking<BR>-http://support.gateway.com/s/Netppliance/2800032/280003201.shtml<BR>-http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowBoard&amp;Board=aolgw&amp;Idle=&amp;Sort=&amp;Order=&amp;Session=<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Cialug mailing list<BR>Cialug@cialug.org<BR>http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>David Stout<br>Business Forms Analyst &amp; Student<br><br>There is alot of power in being powerless<p>__________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 18:23:17 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:23:17 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] network tool
In-Reply-To: <1103554527.379.43.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
References: <00a901c4e6a2$91befd80$c802a8c0@tim> <1103554527.379.43.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <41C71895.3040404@visionary.com>

I would agree. PHP has a stronger presence as a web scripting language 
than Perl, mostly because of its ease of use, but Perl is a better 
multi-purpose tool. You can do cli scripting in PHP (in mdk, just 
install the php-cli rpm), but I don't think that's going to come close 
to replacing Perl or Python in that arena.

The thing I really like about PHP is due to its popularity, there are 
tons of examples and OSS projects out there to learn from.

-dc

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> PHP, in my opinion has a shorter learning curve and can handle 99% of
> the web-based scripting that you might want to do. Perl tends to have a
> slightly longer learning curve, but is also a good tool for 99% of what
> you need to do, and a better choice for the 1% of the weird things you
> might want to do.
> 
> :) Dave
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 08:45, Tim Berneman wrote:
> 
>>Oh, and also mySQL and PHP.
>>
>>What's the concenses of PHP vs. Perl?
>>
>>Tim :)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
>>Of Tim Berneman
>>Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:06 PM
>>To: cialug@cialug.org
>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] network tool
>>
>>
>>Actually I was typing in a "Long time lurker, first time post" message
>>with a question and I just decided to call the horse (Dave Champion ala
>>dc) and get it straight from his mouth. ;)  I musta accidentally sent
>>the message instead of deleting it.
>>
>>I did install Madrake 10.1 and I got my webserver up and domain pointed
>>to it and with Daves help figured out there was a problem with the A
>>record at the DNS server and got that fixed.
>>
>>My next step is to get an email server running.  And then ftp.
>>
>>Hope I don't embarrass myself her with my lack of knowledge.
>>
>>Tim :)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
>>Of David Champion
>>Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:10 AM
>>To: cialug@cialug.org
>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] network tool
>>
>>
>>Tim Berneman wrote:
>>
>>...
>>
>>I think Tim was just saying "hi". He just installed a new Mandrake 10.1 
>>server yesterday, and is working on getting a web site up.
>>
>>-dc



From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 20:01:15 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:01:15 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!
Message-ID: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com>

http://newsbot.msnbc.msn.com/n/?id=14521908

take that spammers!



From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 20:03:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:03:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!
In-Reply-To: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com>
References: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <1103573027.379.67.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

Too bad they'll probably never collect. I think If I was a spammer, I
probably wouldn't show up for court either!!!

Talk about a spam lottery!!!  Whoohoo!!




On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 14:01, reinstall hell wrote:
> http://newsbot.msnbc.msn.com/n/?id=14521908
> 
> take that spammers!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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Dave J. Hala Jr. <dave@osis.us>
641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 20 21:43:59 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:43:59 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!
In-Reply-To: <1103573027.379.67.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
References: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com> <1103573027.379.67.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <41C7479F.8000405@visionary.com>

A couple of CIALUG folks got quoted on this story:

Dave Weis:
http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3450161

Dan Arthur:
http://www.theiowachannel.com/newsarchive/4008438/detail.html

-dc

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> Too bad they'll probably never collect. I think If I was a spammer, I
> probably wouldn't show up for court either!!!
> 
> Talk about a spam lottery!!!  Whoohoo!!
> 
> On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 14:01, reinstall hell wrote:
> 
>>http://newsbot.msnbc.msn.com/n/?id=14521908
>>
>>take that spammers!



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 04:18:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:18:21 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
Message-ID: <010501c4e714$1b372ee0$c802a8c0@tim>

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I don't see an FTP server running in my services.  How can I start it
and/or what is the urpmi command to install it?
 
Tim :)

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Tim Berneman
Mason City, IA 50401 USA
Software Engineer
-----------------------------------
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 04:30:26 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:30:26 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
In-Reply-To: <010501c4e714$1b372ee0$c802a8c0@tim>
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I found it...proftpd...had to start it.
 
What about PHP?  I didn't see that running.
 
Tim :)

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Tim Berneman
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:18 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1


I don't see an FTP server running in my services.  How can I start it
and/or what is the urpmi command to install it?
 
Tim :)

===================================
Tim Berneman
Mason City, IA 50401 USA
Software Engineer
-----------------------------------
  WEB: HYPERLINK
"http://www.minnesotacars.com/"http://www.minnesotacars.com
     : HYPERLINK
"http://www.northiowacars.com/"http://www.northiowacars.com
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PHONE: (507) 380-0489
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 09:43:39 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:43:39 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!
References: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com> <1103573027.379.67.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41C7479F.8000405@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4e741$8ccf41a0$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>

Whoohoo!! Horray for the local guys!

Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!


>A couple of CIALUG folks got quoted on this story:
> 
> Dave Weis:
> http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3450161
> 
> Dan Arthur:
> http://www.theiowachannel.com/newsarchive/4008438/detail.html
> 
> -dc
> 
> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>> Too bad they'll probably never collect. I think If I was a spammer, I
>> probably wouldn't show up for court either!!!
>> 
>> Talk about a spam lottery!!!  Whoohoo!!
>> 
>> On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 14:01, reinstall hell wrote:
>> 
>>>http://newsbot.msnbc.msn.com/n/?id=14521908
>>>
>>>take that spammers!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 15:04:02 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Claus)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:04:02 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!
In-Reply-To: <002201c4e741$8ccf41a0$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>
References: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com> <1103573027.379.67.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41C7479F.8000405@visionary.com> <002201c4e741$8ccf41a0$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>
Message-ID: <41C83B62.2020702@gmx.net>

Isn't that statement a little silly: "Arthur said the best way to 
eliminate spam is to start over and set up a new, unique e-mail account 
with an address you only share with friends and family."

I mean it's on the same level when I tell people to secure their 
computers by disconnecting it from the network, concrete it into a huge 
concrete block and dropping it into the depth of the ocean.  While this 
solution surely addresses the problem it misses the point of having a 
computer/e-mail address in the first place.

One should be able to give out their e-mail addresses to acquaintances, 
businesses and even post it on one's web site to harvest the full 
potential of e-mail communication without having to worry about it.

A better suggestion would be to pick an e-mail provider that provides 
superior spam filtering.  Even in this day and age it's quite possible 
to reduce spam to a acceptable level and a lot of e-mail service 
providers provide such services.

   Claus

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 15:17:31 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] Antispam case goes BOOM!
In-Reply-To: <41C83B62.2020702@gmx.net>
References: <41C72F8B.40303@c0wzftp.com> <1103573027.379.67.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com> <41C7479F.8000405@visionary.com> <002201c4e741$8ccf41a0$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> <41C83B62.2020702@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <6ED0247A-5363-11D9-85EB-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>

Actually, unless you change the domain and throw away the old one, 
changing the email address doesn't resolve the problem!  As stated in 
the article, there where about 2 million bogus email addresses in a 
spammer's database that had the cis domain attached to it.

-Tom

On Dec 21, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Claus wrote:

> Isn't that statement a little silly: "Arthur said the best way to 
> eliminate spam is to start over and set up a new, unique e-mail 
> account with an address you only share with friends and family."
>
> I mean it's on the same level when I tell people to secure their 
> computers by disconnecting it from the network, concrete it into a 
> huge concrete block and dropping it into the depth of the ocean.  
> While this solution surely addresses the problem it misses the point 
> of having a computer/e-mail address in the first place.
>
> One should be able to give out their e-mail addresses to 
> acquaintances, businesses and even post it on one's web site to 
> harvest the full potential of e-mail communication without having to 
> worry about it.
>
> A better suggestion would be to pick an e-mail provider that provides 
> superior spam filtering.  Even in this day and age it's quite possible 
> to reduce spam to a acceptable level and a lot of e-mail service 
> providers provide such services.
>
>   Claus
> _______________________________________________
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 15:44:20 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:44:20 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] antispam case
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B7E@DSMEXCH>

I think I would rather see all the spammer's databases get deleted, and
tracked down and deleted for everyone they were sold to rather than an ISP
attempt to get 1 billion dollars (blood from a stone anyone?).

In the hopes that it would be a hardship to the spammer and anyone they sold
the database to.  Unfortunately it is trivial to backup and hide a database
of a million email addresses.

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 15:51:11 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:51:11 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] antispam case
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B7E@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B7E@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <1103644271.379.180.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

I'd also be willing to bet that is also fairly trivial to harvest
million email addresses.

On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 09:44, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> I think I would rather see all the spammer's databases get deleted, and
> tracked down and deleted for everyone they were sold to rather than an ISP
> attempt to get 1 billion dollars (blood from a stone anyone?).
> 
> In the hopes that it would be a hardship to the spammer and anyone they sold
> the database to.  Unfortunately it is trivial to backup and hide a database
> of a million email addresses.
> 
> Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  
> _______________________________________________
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 16:28:58 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:28:58 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
In-Reply-To: <010c01c4e715$ceac8a00$c802a8c0@tim>
References: <010c01c4e715$ceac8a00$c802a8c0@tim>
Message-ID: <41C84F4A.6030900@visionary.com>

PHP doesn't run as a service, it is an apache module. To test it, just 
put a file in /var/www/html/test.php that says:

<? phpinfo(); ?>

...then view that in a browser - <yourdomain>/test.php - You should see 
several pages of output.

It's not a good idea to leave that there - hackers could potentially use 
some of the info from that.

-dc

Tim Berneman wrote:
> I found it...proftpd...had to start it.
>  
> What about PHP?  I didn't see that running.
>  
> Tim :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
> Of Tim Berneman
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:18 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
> 
> 
> I don't see an FTP server running in my services.  How can I start it
> and/or what is the urpmi command to install it?



From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 20:22:37 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jeff Davis)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:22:37 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
Message-ID: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>

I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal situations.
e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa where the year round
      ambient temp range is dramatic.

I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but
in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is
more than sufficient for the task.





-- 

Jeff Davis


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 20:29:04 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tom Pohl)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:29:04 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
References: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
Message-ID: <F548B9C8-538E-11D9-85EB-000A95B9792E@tcpconsulting.com>

I've never had a problem as long as there is no need for a fan on the 
CPU or power supply and it runs off a flash card instead of a hard 
drive!

-Tom

On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal 
> situations.
> e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in 
> Iowa where the year round
>      ambient temp range is dramatic.
>
> I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, 
> but
> in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which 
> is
> more than sufficient for the task.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Jeff Davis
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 20:28:08 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Morris Dovey)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:28:08 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
References: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
Message-ID: <41C88758.6030502@iedu.com>

Jeff Davis wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into
> abnormal situations. e.g. A PC for data collection in an
> unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa where the year round 
> ambient temp range is dramatic.

My P2-200 is still doing fairly well - although a SCSI CD drive 
didn't survive the first winter.

-- 
Morris Dovey
West Des Moines, Iowa USA


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 20:33:35 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:33:35 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B86@DSMEXCH>

You might want to look at one of the air-cooled mini-itx computers for that.
You can easily drop them into a large PC case with ample room for
ambient-air cooling.  You could also seal it into a tupperware or rubbermaid
and power it with a 12 volt adapter.  If you want to avoid moving parts
entirely you can use a CF card to run from.

They also have a plethora of connectors on them - usb, serial, parallel,
etc.  The board themselves run less than $150 add some memory and a power
supply and you have a very capable device.
'http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/268'

If you can't tell, I'm a fan of the mini-itxs, they are a neat platform.


-Nate

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Davis [mailto:jeff.davis@ega.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions



I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal
situations. e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building
in Iowa where the year round
      ambient temp range is dramatic.

I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but in
this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is more
than sufficient for the task.





-- 

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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 21:14:14 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:14:14 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] wireless linux laptop
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B88@DSMEXCH>

I have a iwconfig line that works for my laptop now: iwconfig eth0 essid
xxxyyy enc 1010affetc ap any

how can I make the line be run when I boot the machine?  Do I add this to
rc.local just as it is, or are there other options?  If my distro uses
something different from rc.local, what should I look for
(slack/debian-ish).

Thanks.

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 21:20:15 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:20:15 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
Message-ID: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIKEMCCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>

Some years back I worked on an older PC deployed in the foundry at Eagle
Iron Works (downtown Des Moines). Believe me, after seeing it first hand.
The conditions for a PC were less than ideal. I believe it was a 486, which
would have required a fan. It had run quite well for years, hooked up to a
odd little device that they poured molten metal into. The software then
recorded measurements from the device. In all its time in service the only
real problem was the serial port failed.

Point being this was a stock off-the-shelf PC. And it's only downfall was
old age.

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Jeff Davis
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions


I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal
situations.
e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa
where the year round
      ambient temp range is dramatic.

I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but
in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is
more than sufficient for the task.





--

Jeff Davis

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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 21:26:04 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:26:04 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
Message-ID: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIEEMDCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>

One thing I forgot to mention. Temperature won't kill that PC as fast as
condensation. If this facility isn't climate controlled you could end up
with condensation inside the case.

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Jeff Davis
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions


I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal
situations.
e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa
where the year round
      ambient temp range is dramatic.

I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but
in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is
more than sufficient for the task.





--

Jeff Davis

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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 21:38:03 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:38:03 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIKEMCCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>
References: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIKEMCCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>
Message-ID: <1103665083.6284.24.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

I hate to sound like an "old guy" but it didn't it seem like back in
those days (pre-pentium era) they were better built? Higher quality
fans, heavier steel in the chassis, etc...



On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:20, Lee wrote:
> Some years back I worked on an older PC deployed in the foundry at Eagle
> Iron Works (downtown Des Moines). Believe me, after seeing it first hand.
> The conditions for a PC were less than ideal. I believe it was a 486, which
> would have required a fan. It had run quite well for years, hooked up to a
> odd little device that they poured molten metal into. The software then
> recorded measurements from the device. In all its time in service the only
> real problem was the serial port failed.
> 
> Point being this was a stock off-the-shelf PC. And it's only downfall was
> old age.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
> Of Jeff Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
> 
> 
> I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal
> situations.
> e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa
> where the year round
>       ambient temp range is dramatic.
> 
> I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but
> in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is
> more than sufficient for the task.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jeff Davis
> 
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641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 21:49:00 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:49:00 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <1103665083.6284.24.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIOEMDCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>

Just like a 50's era Ford would slice through an 80's model. Yes that is
true that the older PCs were often developed with a little heavier
components. But much of the interconnects and cabling remains the same. i.e.
The exposed parts.

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of Dave J. Hala Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:38 PM
To: Cialug
Subject: RE: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions


I hate to sound like an "old guy" but it didn't it seem like back in
those days (pre-pentium era) they were better built? Higher quality
fans, heavier steel in the chassis, etc...



On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:20, Lee wrote:
> Some years back I worked on an older PC deployed in the foundry at Eagle
> Iron Works (downtown Des Moines). Believe me, after seeing it first hand.
> The conditions for a PC were less than ideal. I believe it was a 486,
which
> would have required a fan. It had run quite well for years, hooked up to a
> odd little device that they poured molten metal into. The software then
> recorded measurements from the device. In all its time in service the only
> real problem was the serial port failed.
>
> Point being this was a stock off-the-shelf PC. And it's only downfall was
> old age.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
> Of Jeff Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
>
>
> I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal
> situations.
> e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa
> where the year round
>       ambient temp range is dramatic.
>
> I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but
> in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is
> more than sufficient for the task.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Davis
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 21:50:51 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:50:51 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>

Ahhh, steel in the chassis, aren't they tin foil and plastic now?

I think the power supplies were definitely better, or perhaps just
overbuilt.  The motherboards didn't flex when you pushed a card in.

But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
Walgreens or Target in a pinch?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:38 PM
To: Cialug
Subject: RE: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions



I hate to sound like an "old guy" but it didn't it seem like back in those
days (pre-pentium era) they were better built? Higher quality fans, heavier
steel in the chassis, etc...



On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:20, Lee wrote:
> Some years back I worked on an older PC deployed in the foundry at 
> Eagle Iron Works (downtown Des Moines). Believe me, after seeing it 
> first hand. The conditions for a PC were less than ideal. I believe it 
> was a 486, which would have required a fan. It had run quite well for 
> years, hooked up to a odd little device that they poured molten metal 
> into. The software then recorded measurements from the device. In all 
> its time in service the only real problem was the serial port failed.
> 
> Point being this was a stock off-the-shelf PC. And it's only downfall 
> was old age.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On 
> Behalf Of Jeff Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
> 
> 
> I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal 
> situations. e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled 
> building in Iowa where the year round
>       ambient temp range is dramatic.
> 
> I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, 
> but in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 
> which is more than sufficient for the task.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jeff Davis
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Cialug@cialug.org
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:02:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:02:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41C89D73.6070604@dhlake.com>

Nathan C. Smith wrote:

> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?

	It seems like it was just yesterday when blank CDRs cost $150.00 each. 
  Those were the days.

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:09:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Barry Von Ahsen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:09:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
References: <41C8860D.60409@ega.com>
Message-ID: <41C89F2B.8090405@vonahsen.com>

Jeff Davis wrote:
> I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal 
> situations.
> e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled building in Iowa 
> where the year round
>      ambient temp range is dramatic.
> 
> I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, but
> in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 which is
> more than sufficient for the task.

this was asked to /. not too long ago:
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/02/055244&tid=137&tid=4

most people seemed to say/know/have experienced that as long as there's 
not a condensation problem, the cold could be the biggest problem 
(wrecking the disk lubrication and such).  that, and the mice nesting in 
the warm case

-barry




From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:09:35 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:09:35 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <1103666975.6284.28.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

I think is it definitely better. Commodity pc's come in really handy
now, even if they are cheaply built.  I never cease to be amazed at what
you can do with a $299 pc running Redhat.


On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:50, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> Ahhh, steel in the chassis, aren't they tin foil and plastic now?
> 
> I think the power supplies were definitely better, or perhaps just
> overbuilt.  The motherboards didn't flex when you pushed a card in.
> 
> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:38 PM
> To: Cialug
> Subject: RE: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
> 
> 
> 
> I hate to sound like an "old guy" but it didn't it seem like back in those
> days (pre-pentium era) they were better built? Higher quality fans, heavier
> steel in the chassis, etc...
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 15:20, Lee wrote:
> > Some years back I worked on an older PC deployed in the foundry at 
> > Eagle Iron Works (downtown Des Moines). Believe me, after seeing it 
> > first hand. The conditions for a PC were less than ideal. I believe it 
> > was a 486, which would have required a fan. It had run quite well for 
> > years, hooked up to a odd little device that they poured molten metal 
> > into. The software then recorded measurements from the device. In all 
> > its time in service the only real problem was the serial port failed.
> > 
> > Point being this was a stock off-the-shelf PC. And it's only downfall 
> > was old age.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On 
> > Behalf Of Jeff Davis
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:23 PM
> > To: cialug@cialug.org
> > Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
> > 
> > 
> > I'm curious if anyone on the list has deployed computers into abnormal 
> > situations. e.g. A PC for data collection in an unheated/non-cooled 
> > building in Iowa where the year round
> >       ambient temp range is dramatic.
> > 
> > I know you can buy 'rugged' equipment that will handle such extremes, 
> > but in this case I'm already looking at using a hand-me-down PII 500 
> > which is more than sufficient for the task.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Jeff Davis
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cialug mailing list
> > Cialug@cialug.org
> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
-- 

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641.485.1606


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:09:36 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:09:36 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] wireless linux laptop
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B88@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B88@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41C89F20.8040209@visionary.com>

What distro are you running? In RedHat / Mandrake systems, you can put 
that stuff in your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx file. 
Making it say "ONBOOT=YES" will make it, er, yes, on boot.

Mandrake 10.1 has enhanced the network admin interface to deal with the 
AP / WEP settings pretty well. There's apparantly a way to make it 
automagically switch AP's. I still use my old dave-o-matic version, 
where I have a shell script I run to copy the correct ifcfg-ethx file 
over & restart the interface.

-dc

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> I have a iwconfig line that works for my laptop now: iwconfig eth0 essid
> xxxyyy enc 1010affetc ap any
> 
> how can I make the line be run when I boot the machine?  Do I add this to
> rc.local just as it is, or are there other options?  If my distro uses
> something different from rc.local, what should I look for
> (slack/debian-ish).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Nate


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:11:12 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:11:12 -0600
Subject: [Cialug]  OT: computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C89D73.6070604@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIEEMFCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>

If the Recording Industry Association had their way... The would cost $150

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of James Shoemaker
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:02 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions


Nathan C. Smith wrote:

> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?

	It seems like it was just yesterday when blank CDRs cost $150.00 each. 
  Those were the days.

James
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From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:20:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:20:38 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
[snip]
> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?

<old man mode>
Remember when there was no such thing as CD's? I had a 160k single sided 
  single density 5.25" 1541 diskette drive on my Commodore 64 that 
communicated over a serial bus to the computer at 1200bps. And that's 
the way we liked it. Fiddle dee floo. It was SO much faster than the 
Datasette it replaced. :p
</old man mode>

But on the original question - strip the system down to remove anything 
you don't need, and I'd also suggest putting some kind of foam filter in 
front of the intake fans. Oh, and make sure you have some good intake 
fans. Ones with real ball bearings. Take the rubber plug off and look if 
you're not sure (usually under the sticker). A lot of the fans that say 
"ball bearing" are either a simple metal sleeve, or even worse, a 
plastic bushing. If you can afford it, get a UPS, and possibly a line 
conditioner, if they're going to be in a location with "iffy" power, or 
prone to lightning strikes.

I have seen PC's in server closets that had mouse droppings in them.

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:34:32 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:34:32 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH> <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <41C8A4F8.6080603@dhlake.com>

David Champion wrote:
> Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
>> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
>> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?
> 
> 
> <old man mode>
> Remember when there was no such thing as CD's? I had a 160k single sided 
>  single density 5.25" 1541 diskette drive on my Commodore 64 that 
> communicated over a serial bus to the computer at 1200bps. And that's 
> the way we liked it. Fiddle dee floo. It was SO much faster than the 
> Datasette it replaced. :p
> </old man mode>

	The Kmart on 2nd had 8" floppies on the shelf as late as 1992.  I 
almost bought them, but they hadn't been marked down since they were 
stocked.

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:37:21 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:37:21 -0600
Subject: [Cialug]  OT: computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIEEMFCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>
References: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIEEMFCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>
Message-ID: <41C8A5A1.3010607@dhlake.com>

Lee wrote:
> If the Recording Industry Association had their way... The would cost $150
> 
	The first CDRs I used DID cost $150 each.  I was writing CD recording 
software at the time and my boss had a fit each time I made a coaster. 
Of course the burner didn't have a test mode either.  The recorder we 
had to test with was a pre-release unit.

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 00:43:00 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dan Hockey AAS/ASE)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:43:00 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH> <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c4e7bf$308fd980$9901a8c0@toshiba>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions


> Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> [snip]
>> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
>> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
>> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?
> 
> <old man mode>
> Remember when there was no such thing as CD's? I had a 160k single sided 
>  single density 5.25" 1541 diskette drive on my Commodore 64 that 
> communicated over a serial bus to the computer at 1200bps. And that's 
> the way we liked it. Fiddle dee floo. It was SO much faster than the 
> Datasette it replaced. :p
> </old man mode>

better yet, how 'bout the the 8" floppies the xeox 820 used.
-dh
 


From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 01:05:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:05:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <003c01c4e7bf$308fd980$9901a8c0@toshiba>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
 <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>  <003c01c4e7bf$308fd980$9901a8c0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <1103677527.6284.55.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

I've got a box of them here...

On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 18:43, Dan Hockey AAS/ASE wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Champion" <dave@visionary.com>
> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
> 
> 
> > Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
> >> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
> >> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?
> > 
> > <old man mode>
> > Remember when there was no such thing as CD's? I had a 160k single sided 
> >  single density 5.25" 1541 diskette drive on my Commodore 64 that 
> > communicated over a serial bus to the computer at 1200bps. And that's 
> > the way we liked it. Fiddle dee floo. It was SO much faster than the 
> > Datasette it replaced. :p
> > </old man mode>
> 
> better yet, how 'bout the the 8" floppies the xeox 820 used.
> -dh
>  
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 01:25:42 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dan Hockey AAS/ASE)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:25:42 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]10.1 networking problems
Message-ID: <006301c4e7c5$274e8f50$9901a8c0@toshiba>

I installed mdk 10.1 power pack ed on my laptop and had wifi working just 
fine for about a week when wifi quit. I tried to reinstall the card(orinoco 
gold)but all that shows up in the wifi setup is "manually load driver", so I 
tried the orinoco_cs driver and it still shows "manually load driver". 
cardctl info/ident shows the card properties but wifi still didn't work.So I 
tried the wired network and it worked just fine.This is the point when I 
took the windows way of fixing things...a clean reinstall. This worked for a 
little over a week then the same problems showed up again, wifi quit, but 
wired networking still works. I rebooted to xp and the wifi card and ap's 
are working with no problem.Has anyone else heard of anything like this?Is 
there some way to fix this without reinstalling?
-dh 


From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 03:50:25 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Tim Berneman)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:50:25 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
In-Reply-To: <41C84F4A.6030900@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <019a01c4e7d9$5fee2aa0$c802a8c0@tim>

Yup, PHP works, lots o info.  

Next up...email server...where to start...hmmm....

Tim ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
Of David Champion
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:29 AM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1


PHP doesn't run as a service, it is an apache module. To test it, just 
put a file in /var/www/html/test.php that says:

<? phpinfo(); ?>

...then view that in a browser - <yourdomain>/test.php - You should see 
several pages of output.

It's not a good idea to leave that there - hackers could potentially use

some of the info from that.

-dc

Tim Berneman wrote:
> I found it...proftpd...had to start it.
>  
> What about PHP?  I didn't see that running.
>  
> Tim :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tim Berneman
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:18 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
> 
> 
> I don't see an FTP server running in my services.  How can I start it 
> and/or what is the urpmi command to install it?


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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 04:31:10 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (D. Joe Anderson)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:31:10 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] wireless linux laptop
In-Reply-To: <41C89F20.8040209@visionary.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B88@DSMEXCH> <41C89F20.8040209@visionary.com>
Message-ID: <20041222043110.GA19490@etrumeus.com>

On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 04:09:36PM -0600, David Champion wrote:

> Making it say "ONBOOT=YES" will make it, er, yes, on boot.

What a very Strong Bad like thing to say.

-- 
Joe


From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 13:44:29 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:44:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <1103677527.6284.55.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
 <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>  <003c01c4e7bf$308fd980$9901a8c0@toshiba>
 <1103677527.6284.55.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412220743340.3724@charmed.internetsolver.com>

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> I've got a box of them here...
>>> Nathan C. Smith wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> But would you trade it for the lower prices, faster speeds and better
>>>> availability we have today?  Remember when you couldn't buy blank CDs in
>>>> Walgreens or Target in a pinch?
>>> <old man mode>
>>> Remember when there was no such thing as CD's? I had a 160k single sided
>>>  single density 5.25" 1541 diskette drive on my Commodore 64 that
>>> communicated over a serial bus to the computer at 1200bps. And that's
>>> the way we liked it. Fiddle dee floo. It was SO much faster than the
>>> Datasette it replaced. :p
>>> </old man mode>
>> better yet, how 'bout the the 8" floppies the xeox 820 used.

The at&t definity (very large expensive phone system) still uses audio 
casettes for backups and software updates. The first time I saw one still 
in use I thought it was for music on hold.

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 16:38:47 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:38:47 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
In-Reply-To: <019a01c4e7d9$5fee2aa0$c802a8c0@tim>
References: <019a01c4e7d9$5fee2aa0$c802a8c0@tim>
Message-ID: <41C9A317.3070209@visionary.com>

postfix. Config is in /etc/postfix/main.cf - it's very apache-like, as 
in the comments tell you most of what you need to know.

-dc

Tim Berneman wrote:
> Yup, PHP works, lots o info.  
> 
> Next up...email server...where to start...hmmm....
> 
> Tim ;)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf
> Of David Champion
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:29 AM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
> 
> 
> PHP doesn't run as a service, it is an apache module. To test it, just 
> put a file in /var/www/html/test.php that says:
> 
> <? phpinfo(); ?>
> 
> ...then view that in a browser - <yourdomain>/test.php - You should see 
> several pages of output.
> 
> It's not a good idea to leave that there - hackers could potentially use
> 
> some of the info from that.
> 
> -dc
> 
> Tim Berneman wrote:
> 
>>I found it...proftpd...had to start it.
>> 
>>What about PHP?  I didn't see that running.
>> 
>>Tim :)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On 
>>Behalf Of Tim Berneman
>>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:18 PM
>>To: cialug@cialug.org
>>Subject: [Cialug] FTP Server - Mandrake 10.1
>>
>>
>>I don't see an FTP server running in my services.  How can I start it 
>>and/or what is the urpmi command to install it?
> 
> 
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 22 16:41:32 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:41:32 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]10.1 networking problems
In-Reply-To: <006301c4e7c5$274e8f50$9901a8c0@toshiba>
References: <006301c4e7c5$274e8f50$9901a8c0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <41C9A3BC.3050304@visionary.com>

Dan Hockey AAS/ASE wrote:
> I installed mdk 10.1 power pack ed on my laptop and had wifi working 
> just fine for about a week when wifi quit. I tried to reinstall the 
> card(orinoco gold)but all that shows up in the wifi setup is "manually 
> load driver", so I tried the orinoco_cs driver and it still shows 
> "manually load driver". cardctl info/ident shows the card properties but 
> wifi still didn't work.So I tried the wired network and it worked just 
> fine.This is the point when I took the windows way of fixing things...a 
> clean reinstall. This worked for a little over a week then the same 
> problems showed up again, wifi quit, but wired networking still works. I 
> rebooted to xp and the wifi card and ap's are working with no 
> problem.Has anyone else heard of anything like this?Is there some way to 
> fix this without reinstalling?
> -dh

That's very bizzare. When I've had problems with my wifi card (orinico 
silver, mandrake 10.1) I just remove the card & re-insert it (check 
dmesg to see if it loads the drivers), then ifdown / ifup it. You might 
also check iwconfig and see if it has the correct settings for the AP 
name & WEP.

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 00:27:53 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Aaron Porter)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:27:53 -0800
Subject: [Cialug] computers in unusual conditions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412220743340.3724@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B89@DSMEXCH>
 <41C8A1B6.9010403@visionary.com>
 <003c01c4e7bf$308fd980$9901a8c0@toshiba>
 <1103677527.6284.55.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412220743340.3724@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <667aab920412221627f77e365@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:44:29 -0600 (CST), Dave Weis <djweis@sjdjweis.com> wrote:
> The at&t definity (very large expensive phone system) still uses audio
> casettes for backups and software updates. The first time I saw one still
> in use I thought it was for music on hold.

At least you can't get in with rcust/rcustpw anymore.

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 00:50:04 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Aaron Porter)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:50:04 -0800
Subject: [Cialug] wireless linux laptop
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B88@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14B88@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <667aab9204122216504b09c3a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:14:14 -0600, Nathan C. Smith <smith@ipmvs.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a iwconfig line that works for my laptop now: iwconfig eth0 essid
> xxxyyy enc 1010affetc ap any
> 
> how can I make the line be run when I boot the machine?  Do I add this to
> rc.local just as it is, or are there other options?  If my distro uses
> something different from rc.local, what should I look for
> (slack/debian-ish).

Take a look in (I believe) /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 15:15:46 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] iowan first convicted in piracy probe
Message-ID: <41CAE122.200@c0wzftp.com>

http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041223/NEWS01/412230325/1079

wham, bam, thank you ma'am.


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 15:17:09 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:17:09 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays
Message-ID: <41CAE175.7050908@c0wzftp.com>

i had to start the thread. it was bound to happen sooner or later.



From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 15:59:44 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Lee)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:59:44 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays
In-Reply-To: <41CAE175.7050908@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <JCEFLIFMDOJILONFCBPIGEMOCGAA.leeh@csi-rics.com>

Happy holidays to you. And everyone have a SAFE holiday.

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
Of reinstall hell
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:17 AM
To: cialug@cialug.org; cedarlug@cedarlug.org
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays


i had to start the thread. it was bound to happen sooner or later.


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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 16:17:52 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:17:52 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays
Message-ID: <122320041617.4292.6a8f@mchsi.com>

Happy Holidays to all!

Here's a little holiday humor for ya...

http://sherm.20megsfree.com/burgerking.swf

--
Tim W.
> i had to start the thread. it was bound to happen sooner or later.
> 
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 16:28:23 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Joel Eddy)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:28:23 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <003f01c4e90c$6c0da750$0200a8c0@ici6>

Happy Holidays to each and everyone on the list.
And if your traveling be safe.

I might need your brain to pick next year. ;-)


Sincerely,

Joel Eddy
Iowa Connect, Inc.
http://www.iowaconnect.com
Ph. 641-456-5964
Fax 641-456-5912




From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 16:41:33 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave J. Hala Jr.)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:41:33 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Happy Holidays
In-Reply-To: <003f01c4e90c$6c0da750$0200a8c0@ici6>
References: <003f01c4e90c$6c0da750$0200a8c0@ici6>
Message-ID: <1103820093.2181.1.camel@dsl-69.marshallnet.com>

Merry Christmas!!!  Happy New Year everyone!!

:) Dave
On Thu, 2004-12-23 at 10:28, Joel Eddy wrote:
> Happy Holidays to each and everyone on the list.
> And if your traveling be safe.
> 
> I might need your brain to pick next year. ;-)
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Joel Eddy
> Iowa Connect, Inc.
> http://www.iowaconnect.com
> Ph. 641-456-5964
> Fax 641-456-5912
> 
> 
> 
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 17:18:28 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Korver, Aaron)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:18:28 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays
Message-ID: <0205C50D41B7D611AEA50002A537CEC20328E81E@DES10MS01>

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Peace on Earth, Good will towards Geeks.

Btw...Click on the Google picture at google.com and see the story
progress....

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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 18:46:59 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Paul Gray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:46:59 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Re: [Cedarlug] happy holidays
In-Reply-To: <41CAE175.7050908@c0wzftp.com>
References: <41CAE175.7050908@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <20041223184659.GA1687@cs.uni.edu>

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:17:09AM -0600, reinstall hell wrote:
> i had to start the thread. it was bound to happen sooner or later.
>


                                    +
                                   XXX
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                              "BOAS FESTAS"
                              "JOYEUX NOEL"
                             "VESELE VANOCE"
                            "MELE KALIKIMAKA"
                           "NODLAG SONA DHUIT"
                          "BLWYDDYN NEWYDD DDA"
                                "GOD JUL"
                               "BUON ANNO"
                              "FELIZ NATAL"
                             "FELIZ NAVIDAD"
                            "MERRY CHRISTMAS"
                           "KALA CHRISTOUGENA"
                          "VROLIJK KERSTFEEST"
                         "FROHLICHE WEIHNACHTEN"
                        "BUON NATALE-GODT NYTAR"
                       "HUAN YING SHENG TAN CHIEH"
                      "WESOLYCH SWIAT-SRETAN BOZIC"
                     "MOADIM LESIMH0-LINKSMU KALEDU"
                    "HAUSKAA JOULU0-AID SAID MOUBARK"
                          "'N PRETTIG KERSTMIS"
                        "ONNZLLISTA UUTTA VUOTTA"
                       "Z ROZHDESTYOM KHRYSTOVYM"
                      "NADOLIG LLAWEN-GOTT NYTTSAR"
                     "FELIC NADAL-GOJAN KRISTNASKON"
                     "S NOVYM GODOM-FELIZ ANO NUEVO"
                   "GLEDILEG JOL-NOELINIZ KUTLU OLSUM"
                  "EEN GELUKKIG NIEUWJAAR-SRETAN BOSIC"
                 "KRIHSTLINDJA GEZUAR-KALA CHRISTOUGENA"
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                     "SARBATORI FERICITE-BUON ANNO"
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                   "BOLDOG KARACSONNY-VESELE VIANOCE "
                  "MERRY CHRISTMAS - - HAPPY NEW YEAR"
                 "ROOMSAID JOULU PUHI -KUNG HO SHENG TEN"
                 "FELICES PASUAS-EIN GLUCKICHES NEWJAHR"
                "PRIECIGUSZIEMAN SVETKUS SARBATORI VESLLE"
               "BONNE ANNEBLWYDDYN NEWYDD DDADRFELIZ NATAL"
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 19:12:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Andrew Lietzow)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:12:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Help with ActionTec Config? -- It or it's owner appear to be confused ...
Message-ID: <20041223191238.A93AC1FD7@www.cialug.org>

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Hello from LaLa land, 

At least that's the way I feel when I'm trying to diagnose what's going on with this problem! 

I have an ActionTec Modem configured at 192.168.0.1.   It has a static IP Address and allows email to be received to my server, running behind the ActionTec.   When my (brilliant) ISP set things up, the system worked well.  We had the web server configured as 192.168.0.10 and PC's on the LAN could bring up websites hosted on my webserver. 

I have since changed the server's IP to 192.168.0.2 just to experiment to see if the .10 was causing a problem (speed issues, primarily).  

For config changed, I changed network config, the httpd.conf file, and DNS entries for PC's that access that server for secondary DNS. 

The whole system seems to be running a LOT faster, for an unexplained reason, which is good, but now I when I enter any domain name hosted by the server, whether I am at the server or at a PC on the LAN, what is I get is the ActionTec Admin screen.   

In httpd.con, I changed the virtual host addresses for all hosted domains, and the NamedVirtualHost address, but still no luck.   I also changed the port forwarding addresses in the ActionTec modem.   From 192.168.0.10 to the .2  

Folks on the WAN side CAN bring up web pages, send emails, etc. It's just the PC's on the LAN side that bring up the ActionTec's menu when I try to access a locally hosted domain.   

Any Ideas?   
TIA,
Andrew Lietzow
In Des Moines, where the weather has finally taken a turn toward winter, just in time for Christmas.  So, Merry Christmas!
_____________________________________________________________________
Get your own family web site at www.MyFamily.com!




--MyFaMiLyMiMeBoUnDaRy02292000--



From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 19:22:38 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jonathan Bailey)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Help with ActionTec Config? -- It or it's owner appear
 to be confused ...
In-Reply-To: <20041223191238.A93AC1FD7@www.cialug.org>
References: <20041223191238.A93AC1FD7@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <41CB1AFE.3080404@code0.net>

2 things....

1) I've got the same issue. There isn't much you can do (I think). You 
could possibly run your own DNS internally and make it authorative for 
the domains you're hosting (and point to the internal IP).

2) If you do port forwarding, always use the advanced config. It works 
MUCH better for some reason.



Jon


Andrew Lietzow wrote:

>Hello from LaLa land, 
>
>At least that's the way I feel when I'm trying to diagnose what's going on with this problem! 
>
>I have an ActionTec Modem configured at 192.168.0.1.   It has a static IP Address and allows email to be received to my server, running behind the ActionTec.   When my (brilliant) ISP set things up, the system worked well.  We had the web server configured as 192.168.0.10 and PC's on the LAN could bring up websites hosted on my webserver. 
>
>I have since changed the server's IP to 192.168.0.2 just to experiment to see if the .10 was causing a problem (speed issues, primarily).  
>
>For config changed, I changed network config, the httpd.conf file, and DNS entries for PC's that access that server for secondary DNS. 
>
>The whole system seems to be running a LOT faster, for an unexplained reason, which is good, but now I when I enter any domain name hosted by the server, whether I am at the server or at a PC on the LAN, what is I get is the ActionTec Admin screen.   
>
>In httpd.con, I changed the virtual host addresses for all hosted domains, and the NamedVirtualHost address, but still no luck.   I also changed the port forwarding addresses in the ActionTec modem.   From 192.168.0.10 to the .2  
>
>Folks on the WAN side CAN bring up web pages, send emails, etc. It's just the PC's on the LAN side that bring up the ActionTec's menu when I try to access a locally hosted domain.   
>
>Any Ideas?   
>TIA,
>Andrew Lietzow
>In Des Moines, where the weather has finally taken a turn toward winter, just in time for Christmas.  So, Merry Christmas!
>_____________________________________________________________________
>Get your own family web site at www.MyFamily.com!
>
>
>
>  
>


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 21:25:30 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:25:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Help with ActionTec Config? -- It or it's owner appear
 to be confused ...
In-Reply-To: <20041223191238.A93AC1FD7@www.cialug.org>
References: <20041223191238.A93AC1FD7@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412231525001.18197@charmed.internetsolver.com>

Edit your zone files in /var/named, grep for 192.168.0.10 and change it to 
192.168.0.2, change the serial number at the top of the zones, and rndc 
reload as root.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Andrew Lietzow wrote:

> Hello from LaLa land,
>
> At least that's the way I feel when I'm trying to diagnose what's going on with this problem!
>
> I have an ActionTec Modem configured at 192.168.0.1.   It has a static IP Address and allows email to be received to my server, running behind the ActionTec.   When my (brilliant) ISP set things up, the system worked well.  We had the web server configured as 192.168.0.10 and PC's on the LAN could bring up websites hosted on my webserver.
>
> I have since changed the server's IP to 192.168.0.2 just to experiment to see if the .10 was causing a problem (speed issues, primarily).
>
> For config changed, I changed network config, the httpd.conf file, and DNS entries for PC's that access that server for secondary DNS.
>
> The whole system seems to be running a LOT faster, for an unexplained reason, which is good, but now I when I enter any domain name hosted by the server, whether I am at the server or at a PC on the LAN, what is I get is the ActionTec Admin screen.
>
> In httpd.con, I changed the virtual host addresses for all hosted domains, and the NamedVirtualHost address, but still no luck.   I also changed the port forwarding addresses in the ActionTec modem.   From 192.168.0.10 to the .2
>
> Folks on the WAN side CAN bring up web pages, send emails, etc. It's just the PC's on the LAN side that bring up the ActionTec's menu when I try to access a locally hosted domain.
>
> Any Ideas?
> TIA,
> Andrew Lietzow
> In Des Moines, where the weather has finally taken a turn toward winter, just in time for Christmas.  So, Merry Christmas!
> _____________________________________________________________________
> Get your own family web site at www.MyFamily.com!
>
>
>
>

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 21:34:34 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:34:34 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays
References: <41CAE175.7050908@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4e937$323d2e80$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>

yes yes yes.. 
Happy Holidays
Merry Christmas
Ho Ho Ho
Happy New Year
whatever.........
Bah Humbug!

<g>
:~)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "reinstall hell" <admin@c0wzftp.com>
To: <cialug@cialug.org>; <cedarlug@cedarlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: [Cialug] happy holidays


>i had to start the thread. it was bound to happen sooner or later.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 21:43:46 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:43:46 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Fedora w/CDRWs
Message-ID: <002601c4e938$7b442380$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>

Anyone else have trouble using RWs? I've tried half a dozen times burning 
FC3, and when I go to the cd self-test where the FC3 install checks the cd, 
it's failed every single time. md5 hash checks fine before, but the cd 
self-test still fails. I'm weary to continue 'cause if the install craps 
out, it's done right there. (unless they've improved that on FC3)

Don
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 22:18:14 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Jeff Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:18:14 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Fedora w/CDRWs
In-Reply-To: <002601c4e938$7b442380$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>
References: <002601c4e938$7b442380$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>
Message-ID: <41CB4426.5000007@ega.com>

I had a similar problem.
I burned the iso's at 8x and they failed the
media test but the md5sums matched, so I reburned
them at 4x and they still failed.  That seemed
odd to me so I started googling. (may I use that as a verb?)

I found several threads about this at
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-November

You might try booting with linux ide=nodma

If you burned the iso's with Nero you might try a different burning program.





Don Cady wrote:
> Anyone else have trouble using RWs? I've tried half a dozen times 
> burning FC3, and when I go to the cd self-test where the FC3 install 
> checks the cd, it's failed every single time. md5 hash checks fine 
> before, but the cd self-test still fails. I'm weary to continue 'cause 
> if the install craps out, it's done right there. (unless they've 
> improved that on FC3)
> 
> Don
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From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 22:21:29 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Nathan C. Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:21:29 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] DVD transcoding?
Message-ID: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH>

I think that is what it is called.

I have a relative that made a DVD of home video for Christmas and he asked
me if I could make it into a single Avi or MPG file for his mother (CR-ROM,
no DVD player).  Are there any good sites that describe how to do this?
What tools should I search on to do this in Linux?

Happy Holidays.

Thanks.

-Nate

Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 23:36:46 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Cialug] DVD transcoding?
Message-ID: <122320042336.29291.77c7@mchsi.com>

Sounds similar to something I just did.  I recently converted some Divx files to
VCD.  I had to do this under Winders.  I used TMPGenc and Nero to burn to disc.
 It supports VCD, where my version of Adaptec did not.  Nero is nice, plus
they'll allow you to download it and have a 30 day license (not really 30 days,
the license is month-to-month, so it expires at the end of the month).  The site
I used also talked about converting DVD to Divx, so you could probably do this,
and then do Divx back to VCD.  Check out:
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/

You can also Google for Convert Divx VCD (or Convert DVD Divx).

--
Tim W.
> 
> I think that is what it is called.
> 
> I have a relative that made a DVD of home video for Christmas and he asked
> me if I could make it into a single Avi or MPG file for his mother (CR-ROM,
> no DVD player).  Are there any good sites that describe how to do this?
> What tools should I search on to do this in Linux?
> 
> Happy Holidays.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Nate
> 
> Nathan Smith  McKee, Voorhees & Sease, P.L.C.  515.288.3667  
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug

From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 17:30:19 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:30:19 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] DVD transcoding?
In-Reply-To: <122320042336.29291.77c7@mchsi.com>
References: <122320042336.29291.77c7@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <200412231130.19302.jason@benalto.com>

On Thursday 23 December 2004 17:36, timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> Sounds similar to something I just did.  I recently converted some Divx
> files to VCD.  I had to do this under Winders.  I used TMPGenc and Nero to
> burn to disc. It supports VCD, where my version of Adaptec did not.  Nero
> is nice, plus they'll allow you to download it and have a 30 day license
> (not really 30 days, the license is month-to-month, so it expires at the
> end of the month).  The site I used also talked about converting DVD to
> Divx, so you could probably do this, and then do Divx back to VCD.  Check
> out:
> http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/
>
> You can also Google for Convert Divx VCD (or Convert DVD Divx).


Hrm...
I know once you have an mpeg/mpg format, you can just use a program called 
vcdimager...a simple command line app that makes a .bin and .toc file which 
you can plug into gcdmaster. Don't know what burning app you use, I hate hate 
hate cdrecord.
This probably doesn't help at all!

-jason


From cialug@cialug.org  Thu Dec 23 19:27:34 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Rocket Robin Hood)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:27:34 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [NEWS] iowan first convicted in piracy probe
In-Reply-To: <41CAE122.200@c0wzftp.com>
References: <41CAE122.200@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <200412231327.34421.jason@benalto.com>

I was at a Des Moines Music Coalition meeting and some guy was talking about 
how he sends 100,000 emails a week. I hope we see him in the news next.

-jason

On Thursday 23 December 2004 09:15, reinstall hell wrote:
> http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041223/NEWS01/412
>230325/1079

p.s. I LOVE THE COMMENTS FROM THE GUY'S MOM IN THAT STORY! "Boys don't always 
tell their mothers what they're doing...". Poor Mom!


From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 24 02:20:24 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Don Cady)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:20:24 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Fedora w/CDRWs
References: <002601c4e938$7b442380$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i> <41CB4426.5000007@ega.com>
Message-ID: <001001c4e95f$208e7b30$6501a8c0@any7xu043c9b9i>

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>I had a similar problem.
> I burned the iso's at 8x and they failed the
> media test but the md5sums matched, so I reburned
> them at 4x and they still failed.  That seemed
> odd to me so I started googling. (may I use that as a verb?)
Yes, you may. Mine were at 4x, but that's because the burner chooses the 
speed on it's own.
>
> I found several threads about this at
> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-November
>
> You might try booting with linux ide=nodma
For the burn, or the check?

> If you burned the iso's with Nero you might try a different burning 
> program.
Yea, different program, different discs, different burner.. I was just 
trying to save time by seeing if someone else has found a solution 
previous.. 1/2 hour to burn +1/2 hour to test each combination adds up a 
lot.

Thanks,
Don 



From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 24 15:12:13 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:12:13 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] DVD transcoding?
In-Reply-To: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH>
Message-ID: <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com>

Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> I think that is what it is called.
> 
> I have a relative that made a DVD of home video for Christmas and he asked
> me if I could make it into a single Avi or MPG file for his mother (CR-ROM,
> no DVD player).  Are there any good sites that describe how to do this?
> What tools should I search on to do this in Linux?

	I would use mencoder and encode to divx, command line something like:

mencoder dvd://1 -vf scale=640:480 -o title2.avi -oac copy -ovc lavc 
-lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 20:43:19 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:43:19 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH> <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <41D073E7.30903@dhlake.com>

	The question on transcoding made me curious if anyone else is doing 
Video Editing and DVD authoring under Linux.  I do a minimal amount of 
editing and author DVD disks without menus using a collection of 
scripts.  Any editing I do I use kino.  The scripts use a combination of 
dvgrab, mplayer, yuvdenoise, mpeg2enc, mp2enc, dvdauthor, mkisofs, and 
the patched cdrecord that can write to DVD discs.

	My source material comes completely from firewire, either my digital 
camcorder, or my pyro analog->firewire converter.

	I use http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html to calculate bitrates required 
to fit the material on a DVDR.  Mostly because it works and I haven't 
bothered to find another tool.

	I saw that there are a few functional DVD menu authoring tools now 
available, but I haven't had time to try any of them yet.

	The drawback with dabbling in video is the limitless thirst for CPU 
power and disk space.  I have upgraded my motherboard/CPU 4 times (up to 
a dual AMD 2000+) and am constantly hunting for cheap/large drives 
(currently using a striped raid of 3 43 gig UW-SCSI drives for scratch 
space).  Even with the dual 2000+ I only encode at something like 7:1.

	Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 21:46:28 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:46:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <41D073E7.30903@dhlake.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH>
 <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com> <41D073E7.30903@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271546080.17163@charmed.internetsolver.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
> 	Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?

An iMac :-)

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 22:29:15 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271546080.17163@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH> <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com> <41D073E7.30903@dhlake.com> <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271546080.17163@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <41D08CBB.1030207@dhlake.com>

Dave Weis wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
> 
>>     Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?
> 
> 
> An iMac :-)

	I have heard they are pretty good for Video work.  What sort of speed 
do you get on DV->muxed MPEG2 do you get?  Just curious.

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 22:30:36 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dave Weis)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:30:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <41D08CBB.1030207@dhlake.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH>
 <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com> <41D073E7.30903@dhlake.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271546080.17163@charmed.internetsolver.com>
 <41D08CBB.1030207@dhlake.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271629230.18362@charmed.internetsolver.com>

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
> Dave Weis wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
>>>     Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?
>> An iMac :-)
> 	I have heard they are pretty good for Video work.  What sort of speed 
> do you get on DV->muxed MPEG2 do you get?  Just curious.

Not sure about raw speed, it took about an hour to burn 1/2 hour of video 
the first time, but the next disc took about 10 minutes. The speed that I 
can grab everythign off a tape and arrange it makes up for any speed loss 
due to hardware.

dave

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 22:40:50 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271546080.17163@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <20041227224056.6AF2F1B3B@www.cialug.org>

David, -- I've been editing Video and Authoring DVD's for about 3 year's on
the WinTel Platform.  I've attempted to use Linux in the past year to do
video editing.  It was too difficult of a task to setup a Linux box to
perform the same video editing tasks in a reasonable amount of time compared
to Wintel.

Problems:
-Learning curve and software setup
-Firewire download and camera control
-Cinlerra was not quite as easy to manipulate as Premiere
-Sound and Audio format compatability problems
-DVD Authoring package nowhere to be found

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf Of
Dave Weis
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 3:46 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring


On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
> 	Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?

An iMac :-)

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug



From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 23:02:49 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Alan Maupin)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:02:49 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271629230.18362@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <20041227230254.352B620D5@www.cialug.org>

More info on hardware software recommendations for video editing on the
windows platform.

-- Windows XP with NTFS file system (NTFS prevents the FAT32 4Gb file size
limitation)

-- P2400 CPU or equal with 1gb RAM -- the faster the better ... (no less
than PIII-1000 with 512mb ram)

-- Adobe Premiere (provides all of the major codec's for encoding your
projects, i.e, MPEG 1 & 2, MOV, WMV, AVI and more)

-- Firewire for downloading DV and Camera control from the PREMIERE
timeline.

-- Sonic DVDit5 for authoring, simple easy to use program. 

-- USB 2.0 or Firewire external 200Gb or larger harddrive for downloading
upto 8 hours of DV for editing (8hr will occupy about 120Gb of harddrive
space on the external drive.  The remaining 80 plus gigs are for temp files
created by Premiere as a part of the editing process.

-- Other programs that compliment Premiere as part of the editing process
are Adobe Photoshop and Sony Sound Forge; for preparing still images and
audio files to import to the Premiere timeline.

-- And of course a good DVD+RW drive, other formats to consider (-R, -RW,
+R) I prefer +RW.

Throw in a nice Sony, Canon, or Panasonic 3CCD Camera.





-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On Behalf Of
Dave Weis
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:31 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring


On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
> Dave Weis wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
>>>     Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?
>> An iMac :-)
> 	I have heard they are pretty good for Video work.  What sort of
speed 
> do you get on DV->muxed MPEG2 do you get?  Just curious.

Not sure about raw speed, it took about an hour to burn 1/2 hour of video 
the first time, but the next disc took about 10 minutes. The speed that I 
can grab everythign off a tape and arrange it makes up for any speed loss 
due to hardware.

dave

-- 
Dave Weis             "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment
djweis@sjdjweis.com   of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
                       encroachments of those in power than by violent
                       and sudden usurpations."- James Madison
_______________________________________________
Cialug mailing list
Cialug@cialug.org
http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug



From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 23:18:05 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (James Shoemaker)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:18:05 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <20041227224056.6AF2F1B3B@www.cialug.org>
References: <20041227224056.6AF2F1B3B@www.cialug.org>
Message-ID: <41D0982D.3080602@dhlake.com>

Alan Maupin wrote:
> David, -- I've been editing Video and Authoring DVD's for about 3 year's on
> the WinTel Platform.  I've attempted to use Linux in the past year to do
> video editing.  It was too difficult of a task to setup a Linux box to
> perform the same video editing tasks in a reasonable amount of time compared
> to Wintel.
> 
> Problems:
> -Learning curve and software setup
	Standard issue with Linux it also exists in the windows world if you 
are an experienced Linux user.
> -Firewire download and camera control
	No issues there when using Kino, it just worked.
> -Cinlerra was not quite as easy to manipulate as Premiere
	Haven't used either program, so I can't comment.
> -Sound and Audio format compatability problems
	So far I have had fewer on Linux than I did on Windows before I 
switched.  Mplayer can read/convert nearly anything from one format to 
another.
> -DVD Authoring package nowhere to be found
I haven't used either, but they are out there.
	http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/
	http://varsha.sourceforge.net/

	I had the opposite experience in that things I wanted to do (basically 
automate the process) were quite complicated to do in the windows world. 
  Everything required me to be at the keyboard and mouse to monitor the 
whole process.  In the linux world I can dump raw footage to a DVD with 
minimal interaction.

James

From cialug@cialug.org  Mon Dec 27 23:40:49 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:40:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] Video editing/DVD Authoring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271629230.18362@charmed.internetsolver.com>
References: <E10143BCF174D211BB2E00805FCBDD2303E14BA2@DSMEXCH>
 <41CC31CD.1010706@dhlake.com> <41D073E7.30903@dhlake.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271546080.17163@charmed.internetsolver.com>
 <41D08CBB.1030207@dhlake.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412271629230.18362@charmed.internetsolver.com>
Message-ID: <47009.66.43.220.240.1104190849.squirrel@66.43.220.240>

>
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
>> Dave Weis wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, James Shoemaker wrote:
>>>>     Does anyone else dabble in video?  If so, what tools do you use?
>>> An iMac :-)
>> 	I have heard they are pretty good for Video work.  What sort of speed
>> do you get on DV->muxed MPEG2 do you get?  Just curious.
>
> Not sure about raw speed, it took about an hour to burn 1/2 hour of video
> the first time, but the next disc took about 10 minutes. The speed that I
> can grab everythign off a tape and arrange it makes up for any speed loss
> due to hardware.
>
> dave
>

Video editing on linux sounds like a good meeting topic.


-- 
Kevin C. Smith

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 29 17:01:18 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Bryan Baker)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:01:18 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] test
Message-ID: <422CB8B4-59BB-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@iowalaw.org>

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There seem to be some DNS issues w/ cialug.org today, and this is a 
test of using the list address w/ dmmug.org as the domain to get around 
it.
If you get this and need to get a message to the list today, this may 
be a way around the issue.

mailto:cialug@dmmug.org

--
Bryan Baker
Technology Advocate
Iowa Legal Aid
Suite 230
1111 9th Street
Des Moines, Ia 50314-2527

(515) 243-2151 (x1635)

http://www.iowalegalaid.org
bbaker@iowalaw.org

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From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 29 18:46:19 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kevin C. Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:46:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Cialug] test
In-Reply-To: <422CB8B4-59BB-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@iowalaw.org>
References: <422CB8B4-59BB-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@iowalaw.org>
Message-ID: <36737.66.43.220.240.1104345979.squirrel@66.43.220.240>

> There seem to be some DNS issues w/ cialug.org today, and this is a
> test of using the list address w/ dmmug.org as the domain to get around
> it.
> If you get this and need to get a message to the list today, this may
> be a way around the issue.
>
> mailto:cialug@dmmug.org
>
> --
> Bryan Baker

Did we not renew the DNS again? Dave, your fired. (c) Trump Inc.


-- 
Kevin C. Smith

From cialug@cialug.org  Wed Dec 29 18:55:37 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (cialug@cialug.org)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:55:37 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] test
In-Reply-To: <36737.66.43.220.240.1104345979.squirrel@66.43.220.240>
References: <422CB8B4-59BB-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@iowalaw.org> <36737.66.43.220.240.1104345979.squirrel@66.43.220.240>
Message-ID: <20041229185537.GA28327@kristau.net>

On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 12:46:19PM -0600, Kevin C. Smith wrote:
> 
> > There seem to be some DNS issues w/ cialug.org today, and this is a
> > test of using the list address w/ dmmug.org as the domain to get around
> > it.
> > If you get this and need to get a message to the list today, this may
> > be a way around the issue.
> >
> > mailto:cialug@dmmug.org
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Baker
> 
> Did we not renew the DNS again? Dave, your fired. (c) Trump Inc.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kevin C. Smith

A quick 'whois' answers that question:

Domain Name:CIALUG.ORG
Created On:22-Dec-1999 07:19:16 UTC
Last Updated On:28-Dec-2004 09:47:22 UTC
Expiration Date:22-Dec-2005 07:19:16 UTC

Looks like it is good for just under another year.
-- 
"It is far easier to feign ignorance than it is to feign knowledge."

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 31 19:10:27 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dan Hockey)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:10:27 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]test
Message-ID: <41D5A423.1070109@mchsi.com>

is this list still not working right?
-dh

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 31 19:13:09 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (reinstall hell)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:13:09 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]test
In-Reply-To: <41D5A423.1070109@mchsi.com>
References: <41D5A423.1070109@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41D5A4C5.8070903@c0wzftp.com>

Dan Hockey wrote:

> is this list still not working right?
> -dh
> _______________________________________________
> Cialug mailing list
> Cialug@cialug.org
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
>
> .
>
works fine for me


From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 31 20:47:24 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:47:24 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]test
In-Reply-To: <41D5A4C5.8070903@c0wzftp.com>
References: <41D5A423.1070109@mchsi.com> <41D5A4C5.8070903@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <41D5BADC.8090006@visionary.com>

reinstall hell wrote:
> Dan Hockey wrote:
> 
>> is this list still not working right?
>> -dh
>>
> works fine for me

The DNS had expired. Doing a plain "whois" showed that we had another 
year. I finally went to network solutions site and it showed it was 
expired. I renewed for another 3 years.

Happy new years. Everyone have a fun & safe time.

-dc



From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 31 21:07:54 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:07:54 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] test
In-Reply-To: <20041229185537.GA28327@kristau.net>
References: <422CB8B4-59BB-11D9-BC4E-000A958E4EB0@iowalaw.org> <36737.66.43.220.240.1104345979.squirrel@66.43.220.240> <20041229185537.GA28327@kristau.net>
Message-ID: <41D5BFAA.2060707@visionary.com>

kristau@kristau.net wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 12:46:19PM -0600, Kevin C. Smith wrote:
> 
>>>There seem to be some DNS issues w/ cialug.org today, and this is a
>>>test of using the list address w/ dmmug.org as the domain to get around
>>>it.
>>>If you get this and need to get a message to the list today, this may
>>>be a way around the issue.
>>>
>>>mailto:cialug@dmmug.org
>>>
>>>--
>>>Bryan Baker
>>
>>Did we not renew the DNS again? Dave, your fired. (c) Trump Inc.

You can't fire me, cause I QUIT!

Wait, shouldn't it be the Treasurer's job to renew the doman 
registration? :p

I hereby revoke my resignation...

-dc


From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 31 21:26:25 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Dan Hockey)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:26:25 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]small linux
In-Reply-To: <41D5A4C5.8070903@c0wzftp.com>
References: <41D5A423.1070109@mchsi.com> <41D5A4C5.8070903@c0wzftp.com>
Message-ID: <41D5C401.4050900@mchsi.com>

does anyone know of a linux distro that will run on a old computer? its 
a p75 40mb ram and 6gb hdd. i've tried debian 3r2 but keep messing up 
things when installing X.
-dh

From cialug@cialug.org  Fri Dec 31 22:44:15 2004
From: cialug@cialug.org (Kenneth Ristau)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:44:15 -0600
Subject: [Cialug] [cialug]small linux
In-Reply-To: <41D5C401.4050900@mchsi.com>
References: <41D5A423.1070109@mchsi.com> <41D5A4C5.8070903@c0wzftp.com> <41D5C401.4050900@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41D5D63F.1010507@kristau.net>

Dan Hockey wrote:
> does anyone know of a linux distro that will run on a old computer? its 
> a p75 40mb ram and 6gb hdd. i've tried debian 3r2 but keep messing up 
> things when installing X.
> -dh

I suppose that depends a lot on what you want to use it for.  If you are 
just setting up a workstation with no network or on a well-firewalled 
network, then a older distro might work fine for you.  I have some old 
CD's I could dig up with RH 6.x and early RH 7.x if you want them.

If, however, you are wanting a modern kernel or the system will have to 
fend for itself on a hostile network, then there isn't much out there 
I'm afraid.  The older distros are so out of date that they would likely 
be compromised in short order, even if you applied all the patches you 
could find.

I have Knoppix 3.2 running on a P133 laptop with 140 Mb of RAM and it is 
dog, dog slow.  My wife uses it to look up recipes from our ReciPants 
database, so it suits its purpose well because once she looks the recipe 
up, it stays on the screen for a long time.  It is almost impossible to 
read Slashdot or Google News unless you have the patience of a 150 year 
old Tibetan monk.

If you want those old disks, let me know and I'll bring them to the next 
meeting.

later,
kristau